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Title: Woman Calls Non-Emergency Hotline for Suicidal Boyfriend, Cops Show Up with AR-15s, Kill Him
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wo ... yfriend-cops-show-ar-15s-kill/
Published: May 28, 2015
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2015-05-28 19:17:09 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 3518
Comments: 18
St. Augustine, FL — Justin Way had been alcohol-free for five weeks. He was doing well, but then slipped off the wagon on May 11, leading to an intoxicated evening with suicidal thoughts. “He just lost his job, and he had a setback,” said his father, George Way. According to the Daily Beast, Way’s live-in girlfriend, Kaitlyn Christine Lyons, said she’d caught Justin drinking a bottle of vodka, which she took away from him to pour out. She said he was drunk, lying in their bed with a large knife, saying he would hurt himself with it. She called a non-emergency number in an attempt to get her boyfriend to a local St. Augustine, Florida, hospital for help—and told them she did not feel threatened. Lyons explained to the Beast that her brother had been “Baker Acted” three times for threatening to hurt himself, so she assumed that is what would happen with Way. Florida’s Baker Act allows for the involuntary institutionalization of people who may present a threat to themselves or others. Police officers in Florida can be the ones to carry it out. However, just minutes after Lyons would end her call with the non-emergency hotline, two officers from the St. Johns County Sheriff’s department would show up. They were apparently not interested in Baker Acting anyone. Deputies Jonas Carballosa and Kyle Braig showed up with assault rifles in hand and told Lyons to wait outside while they attended to the man in crisis. “I thought they were going into war,” Lyons told the Daily Beast. Seconds later Way was dead. According to the Daily Beast: George Way said the initial report he received from Det. Mike Smith detailed an incident wherein his officers said they were attacked by Justin with a knife. Way said Smith told him Justin had threatened Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn denies this. Denise Way, Justin’s mom, said that the detective relayed to her that “they told Justin to drop the knife and he didn’t—so they shot him because that’s what we do.” Denise said Smith then told her about “this new trend in law-enforcement now—it’s called suicide by cop.” She said Smith explained “suicide by cop” is when suicidal people provoke the police in an effort to end their own lives. The department implying that Way chose to end his life through “suicide by cop” is asinine. He never called the cops, and his girlfriend called a non-emergency number. According to the family, there was no blood on the walls nor on the floor, only in the bed. Police would not tell them where or how many times Justin Way was shot. After finding a bullet in the mattress, Way’s family is convinced he was killed while still in the bed. “If Justin was coming after them with a knife, at 6-foot-4, wouldn’t there be blood splattered all over the room?” George Way said. The Beast asked the department if it was “standard procedure to bring assault rifles, but not mental-health professionals, to a scene where someone is suicidal.” Commander Chuck Mulligan responded by saying, “If the deputies feel that that is the appropriate weapon system to use, then yes.” This is the second time in under six months that deputy Braig was involved in the killing of a man holding a knife. According to the Beast, Way’s parents said they do not ever want to call the police again—for anything. “I think they should come in using other things,” said Lyons. “And I think they definitely need to figure out how to handle suicidal people.” Unfortunately for Lyons and the rest of the American population, police officers seem completely unwilling to learn how to deal with individuals who are experiencing a mental crisis.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
It sounds ridiculous but that is what cops do in those situations, Separating them first is probably in their procedure during domestic types cases,
The article said it was a “large knife” while the The St. Augustine Record said it was a “sword-like” weapon. I will go with The St. Augustive Record description of the weapon. The article stated that Lyons called a non-emergency hotline while the Local media reported: “A frightened woman’s voice called 9-1-1 around 4:30 p.m." (9-1-1 is an emergency number). I will stop here….there is no need to go any further. This article is yellow journalism. BTW: The article failed to mention that Deputies Jonas Carballosa and Kyle Braig got to go home at the end of the day.
The "knife" looks to be a short machetee with about a 1 1/2 foot long blade.
The article said it was a “large knife” while the The St. Augustine Record said it was a “sword-like” weapon. The "knife" looks to be a short machetee with about a 1 1/2 foot long blade. Yea, it looks long and lethal enough for someone pointing it at you in a bedroom to get your attention.
Hmm, is a suicide by cop a mortal sin?
And what does the Bible say about lying and about those who presents the lies of others? These unsavory journalists reach the pinnacle of lying when they falsely publish a fake picture doctored up to try and show two mean deputies. The picture is not real, it is a lie. Besides those pictured not being the deputies, the building shown is not even the real condo. But who cares, they think….the photo looks menacing enough to use in a yellow journalism article. Can there be no end to lies and deceit by scum? This is an actual picture of the condo building. Since they are using fake pictures, they should at least pick more effective ones. They should have used this file photo, it’s a lot more scary looking. I denounce this yellow journalism trash article as a lie. Deckard stop with the deceit and lies!
Does it matter. The question is if a person wants to commit suicide but is inhibited by religious reasons - is a cop suicide a mortal sin?
I think that a suicide by cop is still a suicide in all sense of the definition.
The Church would say that suicide is a mortal sin, presumably because it is a killing, a murder of the self. I myself don't know that to be the case. Jesus didn't talk about it. Neither did YHWH. So I'll just leave the judgment of suicide up to God. I don't know. The Church's argument seems reasonable: don't kill includes killing yourself. But I don't know.
But if you let someone else to kill you?
Soldiers in war who embark on hopeless missions do this all the time. I don't know what God will do with suicides. I suspect he will judge the case with full knowledge.
You have nothing but the cops' say-so that they were threatened with the weapon. Of course being the submissive little cop worshiper that you are, you believe every lie that comes out of the mouths of these sadistic thugs, From your source: Information such as what Way did to cause the deputies to fire and why he was despondent have yet to emerge as the case remains in its infancy. Police officers involved in shootings can’t be compelled to give a statement before consulting with their union representatives, as is the case in Way’s death. In other words, the LEOBoR protects police officers from being treated as we are treated during criminal investigations: questioned unmercifully for hours on end, harassed, harangued, browbeaten, denied food, water and bathroom breaks, subjected to hostile interrogations, and left in the dark about our accusers and any charges and evidence against us. Not only are officers given a 10-day “cooling-off period” during which they cannot be forced to make any statements about the incident, but when they are questioned, it must be “for a reasonable length of time, at a reasonable hour, by only one or two investigators (who must be fellow policemen), and with plenty of breaks for food and water.” According to investigative journalist Eli Hager, the most common rights afforded police officers accused of wrongdoing are as follows: It’s a pretty sweet deal if you can get it, I suppose: protection from the courts, immunity from wrongdoing, paid leave while you’re under investigation, and the assurance that you won’t have to spend a dime of your own money in your defense. And yet these LEOBoR epitomize everything that is wrong with America today.
That... and This Is all that is needed. Case CLOSED!
Cool. It has a bottle opener. How thoughtful. Imagine you're at a party and a guest is having trouble opening a bottle of beer. "Here, let me help you", and you whip that sucker out.
Cool. It has a bottle opener. How thoughtful. Imagine you're at a party and a guest is having trouble opening a bottle of beer. "Here, let me help you", and you whip that sucker out. After considering the large size of the sword-like deadly weapon, Think it fits?
That's not a knife.
Kaitlyn will have to get a new boyfriend.
She will remember that calling any government HOT-LINE for help will only exacerbate the situation. This time it was fatal.
#2. To: Deckard, BobCeleste (#0)
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#3. To: Gatlin (#2)
The article said it was a “large knife” while the The St. Augustine Record said it was a “sword-like” weapon.
#4. To: rlk (#3)
#5. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, TooConservative, GarySpFc, Pericles, Deckard (#0)
#6. To: A Pole, Vicomte13, redleghunter, TooConservative, GarySpFc, Pericles, Deckard, Stoner, BobCeleste, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#5)
(Edited)
Hmm, is a suicide by cop a mortal sin?
#7. To: Gatlin (#6)
I denounce this yellow journalism trash article as a lie.
#8. To: A Pole (#7)
The question is if a person wants to commit suicide but is inhibited by religious reasons - is a cop suicide a mortal sin?
#9. To: A Pole (#7)
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
#11. To: A Pole (#10)
But if you let someone else to kill you?
#12. To: Gatlin (#2)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: Deckard (#12)
You have nothing but the cops' say-so that they were threatened with the weapon.
#14. To: Gatlin (#13)
"Is all that is needed."
#15. To: misterwhite (#14)
(Edited)
"Is all that is needed."
can you imagine the huge size of the bottles that sucker opens?
#16. To: rlk (#3)
#17. To: Deckard (#0)
#18. To: Deckard (#0)
She called a non-emergency number in an attempt to get her boyfriend to a local St. Augustine, Florida, hospital for help—and told them she did not feel threatened.
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