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Title: U.S. Army FORCES Cadets to Wear High Heels to Promote Feminist Campaign
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URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/u-s-arm ... promote-feminist-campaign.html
Published: Apr 21, 2015
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2015-04-23 13:17:42 by Deckard
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Cadets at Temple University were threatened that their careers would be finished if they refused to participate in a feminist campaign to promote the completely debunked college rape culture myth by wearing red spray painted high heels. Imagine what ISIS or the Russian military is thinking when they see these images. Third wave feminism has poisoned EVERYTHING, even the U.S. Military. UPDATE: Infowars was contacted by a former US Army servicemember who told us that his unit – Delta Company, 1st Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade – was also FORCED to participate in the ‘Walk a Mile in Her Shoes’ event in 2011. “I was deployed in Afghanistan during this time, but my comrades in the rear told me this event was a MANDATORY,” he writes. “As a former medic, I know that the only way out of this was to lie about injuries or pull some form of guard duty at this time.” CLICK FOR ENLARGEMENT.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Hmmmm,this sounds more like the Navy.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Before this nonsense is finished, commanders will be ordering the troops to strip down and charge the enemy without weapons and yelling, " make love, not war!"
People will do anything for money.
Correction: Some people will do anything for money.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
They're practicing to be Lindsey Graham delegates at the '16 GOP convention.
What's next, compulsory tampons?
Army Launches Review Into Whether ROTC Cadets Were Forced to Wear Heels.
I'm sure it was Highly Recommended. Which means the same thing.
hey, tater! When you were in the AF did you click your ruby red high heels together, too? I am kinda interested if you wore your high heels while peelin' spuds.
Had proper fact-checking taken place, this story should not have been written in the first place.
Really? "The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets….no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate; if it was, 105 of the brigade's 120 members ignored it." Don't believe
Don't believe everything anything you read from Infoward.... Male cadets with the ROTC at Arizona State University say they were pressed to wear high heels and participate in a staged event in order to draw attention to sexual violence against women. The program, “Wake a Mile in her Shoes,” isn’t new. But a year ago, the Army put it forth as voluntary. This year, ROTC candidates at the school say participation is mandatory, the Washington Times reported.
IJ Review reported one cadet wrote on an Imgr message board: “Attendance is mandatory and if we miss it we get a negative counseling and a ‘does not support the battalion sharp/EO mission’ on our CDT OER for getting the branch we want. So I just spent $16 on a pair of high heels that I have to spray paint red later on only to throw them in the trash after about 300 of us embarrass the U.S. Army.” The Army openly promoted the event on its website in 2014. An unlawful order for a few reasons: First such foot attire while performing military duties is harmful to a Soldier's feet, knees, and back. Second a commander cannot force a Soldier to wear clothing attire of the opposite sex. A commander CAN have a policy describing what 'proper attire' includes on his/her military installation (like no halter tops, cutoff jeans etc.) in public places like the PX or post bank. But he/she cannot prescribe the attire of the opposite sex as mandatory 'uniform' for an official event. If the Soldier, Airmen, Marine or Sailor voluntarily does so, then there is no foul other than destroying over two centuries of military tradition and good order and discipline. Lastly, and most important of the three reasons....This is just plain STUPID. Patton is rolling in his grave. Now I can see most of the Navy doing this voluntarily:)
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
I worked for the current CoS of the Army in two previous assignments. Once he gets all the facts of this some heads are going to roll. Big conservative football player Italian don looking voluntarily bald Generals don't put male Soldiers or cadets in women's shoes.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
Yikes!
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
What do you expect when you have a faggot for President.
Which means the same thing. For young leaders I agree. It is like a unit commander saying "I am having a BBQ this weekend, not mandatory fun, just if you would like to come." Every junior officer is told such things are considered 'command presence' events. Meaning it is an invite you can RSVP to, but subconsiously sends the message you don't like your commander or his/her spouse or family. I remember planning a trip 6 months in advance for a weekend get away with my wife after a long time in the field training. We get back from the field and the commander invites everyone to his pool for dinner with little notice. I already had reservations, told my immediate boss and he said 'you know this is a 'command presence' event.' So by military tradition I jotted down a hand written note (RSVP) to the commander sending my 'regrets' that I would be out of town that weekend. He was cool about it and knew I had plans. Some commanders are not so cool about this and harbor large fragile egos.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
No "order" was given. Don't believe things you read from Infowars.
This year, ROTC candidates at the school say participation is mandatory, the Washington Times reported.
IJ Review reported one cadet wrote on an Imgr message board: “Attendance is mandatory and if we miss it we get a negative counseling and a ‘does not support the battalion sharp/EO mission’ on our CDT OER for getting the branch we want. So I just spent $16 on a pair of high heels that I have to spray paint red later on only to throw them in the trash after about 300 of us embarrass the U.S. Army.”
I wonder what that commander was thinking...I mean a good number of university athletes take ROTC with the intent of going Reserve or Guard and some Active duty. I mean what if a U of Arizona Offensive Guard shows up, all 330lbs of him and he has a 16EEEE shoe size. I mean how are they going to fit that guy in high heels?:) I guess he would have to rifle through Bruce Jenner's new wardrobe:)
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
Patriotic young cadets — America’s future warrior — pressured to walk around in bright red high heels on campus — against their will – or face retribution. I don’t even know what to say… Army ROTC cadets are complaining on message boards that they were pressured to walk in high heels on Monday for an Arizona State University campus event designed to raise awareness of sexual violence against women. The Army openly encouraged participating in April’s “Walk A Mile in Her Shoes” events in 2014, but now it appears as though ROTC candidates at ASU were faced with a volunteer event that became mandatory. “Attendance is mandatory and if we miss it we get a negative counseling and a ‘does not support the battalion sharp/EO mission’ on our CDT OER for getting the branch we want. So I just spent $16 on a pair of high heels that I have to spray paint red later on only to throw them in the trash after about 300 of us embarrass the U.S. Army tomorrow,” one anonymous cadet wrote on the social media sharing website Imgr, IJReview reported Monday. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
It was mandatory for the U of Arizona.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
WXTX Radio: Army Forces Cadets To Wear Red High Heels In Sexual Assault Awareness Event Army cadets in the ROTC program at Arizona State University were forced to parade around campus wearing red high heels or face punishment. The 'Walk A Mile in Her Shoes' events are meant to raise awareness about sexual assault. A photo of the recruits wearing the red heels was posted to Facebook where many mocked the program and were upset that the Army was forcing cadets to participate. One recruit had his rant posted on Reddit, where many slammed the event.
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets.... no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate.... 105 of the brigade's 120 members ignored it. You're a liar.
You're a liar. The Army openly encouraged participating in April’s “Walk A Mile in Her Shoes” events in 2014, but now it appears as though ROTC candidates at ASU were faced with a volunteer event that became mandatory. “Attendance is mandatory and if we miss it we get a negative counseling and a ‘does not support the battalion sharp/EO mission’ on our CDT OER for getting the branch we want. So I just spent $16 on a pair of high heels that I have to spray paint red later on only to throw them in the trash after about 300 of us embarrass the U.S. Army tomorrow,” one anonymous cadet wrote on the social media sharing website Imgr, IJReview reported Monday.
The Army openly encouraged participating in April’s “Walk A Mile in Her Shoes” events in 2014, but now it appears as though ROTC candidates at ASU were faced with a volunteer event that became mandatory. The Army brass are very sensitive to young cadets being subjected to such 'mandatory events.' IF there is something in writing making the event mandatory OR enough sworn written witness statements show the commander verbally made it mandatory...Then that commander will be relieved. The flipside is even if there is absence of the above, the commander will still be investigated for potentially using his/her command authority to promote a private event as a military event. Sponsoring an event is not the same as say a military formation, physical training, or military training events. Finally, the commander is an idiot. He/she should have known better that not even a local commander can change or modify the US Army uniform outside of AR 670-1 regulations. Commanders can make calls on mixing duty and PT uniforms for road march or sporting events.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
Thanks....I did not see that. Edit: from your post: The whole thing is STUPID for whatever reason given. What is this modern day military coming to?
Regardless the ROTC commanders who even 'strongly suggested' such 'mandatory fun' will be in deep doo doo. Especially violating every uniform policy ever known. Making such modifications to the US Army uniform would at least require a regional ROTC commander (1 star General) approval. If that WAS approved by a regional commander, then he or she is in deep doo doo. Chief of Staff of the Army GEN (4 star) Ray Odierno would never put up with garbage like this.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Especially violating every uniform policy ever known. Making such modifications to the US Army uniform would at least require a regional ROTC commander (1 star General) approval. If that WAS approved by a regional commander, then he or she is in deep doo doo. Chief of Staff of the Army GEN (4 star) Ray Odierno would never put up with garbage like this. I agree....I would not have participated.
Heads should roll in this instance. Let's hope it will happen.
This has been coming in the AF since the 70s when they changed the testing system (for E5-E7) and added the (PME) Professional Military Education test. When they did this they made the PME test count as much as your career field test (100 points for each). This allowed some people to be promoted even though they weren't that knowledgeable in their career field. For the SRNCO promotion process they did away with the career field test, kept the PME test and would send you records before a review board. This board would look at your records and if you had the appropriate "brown noser" blocks filled (I.E. Base Commanders and Wing Commanders endorsement on your annual performance reports) you would get a higher board score than someone who knew/did their job better than you but didn't have the time to fill the "brown noser" blocks. So as you can see this lead to unqualified people being put in places of authority they shouldn't have been in. Reminds me of a lot of your typical run of the mill civilian government employee/politician. Now I'm not that familiar with the Army, Navy and Marine promotion processes so not sure if they are the same or slightly different.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I'm thinking there were some nutless SGM's associated with that,or it would have been stopped dead in it's tracks with a phone call or two to the Pentagram. There was an idiot General commanding Bragg around mid-68 that came up with the brilliant idea of building morale by having junior enlisted salute senior enlisted,and say "Good Morning Sergeant!". IIRC,that lasted about a week because everybody was harassing the hell out of the SGM's,who were used to walkking around at leisure everywhere they went,with nobody bugging them. It was a lot of fun to salute one and wait for him to return the salute,and then run to get ahead of him and salute him again. SMG's really need anger management classes.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Navy,where "hotbunking" with your ship mates is a way of life.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You would hope the Commander would be relieved but I don't know if I would count on that happening. They way the political process is being instituted into everyday military business I wouldn't be surprised if he/she kept their job. I'm curious as to what advice the Commander got from his/her SRNCOs??
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
More than likely they need their Officers to "get a clue"... :)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
The only COS of the US Army that I ever met was Schoomaker. I met him while I was working Robin Sage out of Bragg,and we talked for a little while. One thing I know from that meeting is how VERY heavily scheduled the life of a COS is,and that he is virtually a slave to the job with every waking instant scheduled,and a crew of bodyguards and assistants running all around him like moons around a planet to make sure he is where he needs to be when he needs to be there. One thing I am very sure of is that none of these people are even mildly amused about crap like this when it gets to the level it demands their attention and they have to fit a counseling session with some errant senior officer into their schedule between the other meetings they have to attend. I'm betting those are ass-chewings of an epic level. Schoomaker did not appear to me to be a man that would be amused about some idiot General needing counseling because he was abusing his troops and embarrassing the army at the same time. I doubt the guy in charge today is very different.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You can count on it. The guy that is responsible for the clusterBush,and his immediate superior are both toast. Him for coming up with this brain fart,and his superior for not nipping it in the bud. The guy with the idea (?) will be out of uniform against his will shortly,and his superior will be putting in his retirement papers when his current assignment ends because he knows he will never get promoted again. There won't be any press releases or publicity about it,but that's what's going to happen. A junior NCO or officer might get away with embarrassing the Army with just a slap on the wrist,but no senior NCO or Officer can do that and hope to survive. Think and say what you want about the senior commanders,but they love the Army as much as their love their families,and they just ain't going to stand for any idiot embarrassing either in public.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We had a problem too in the Army until we went back to war as an Army. NCO (and officer)reports were highlighted with combat tour time AND how many Soldiers a leader actually leads. Before this change, you had supply NCOs and Corps Staff NCOs with no Soldiers under them rehearsing for every NCO of the month/quarter/year board and SGT Audie Murphy board that came up. As long as they looked good in uniform and had a bunch of education points and enrolled in college they did well. That tapered off after 9/11 when boards starting looking at 'fruit salad' of the combat variant and the number of Soldiers an NCO actually led and how that unit did in combat and training center rotations.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
IIRC,that lasted about a week because everybody was harassing the hell out of the SGM's,who were used to walkking around at leisure everywhere they went,with nobody bugging them. It was a lot of fun to salute one and wait for him to return the salute,and then run to get ahead of him and salute him again. SMG's really need anger management classes. OH LOL! That's a great one. I am sure the grass cutting SGM mafia loved that one. Just imagine CSM Plumley getting a salute...
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
When I retired from the military, I attended a college in the deep south. A woman president of the college decided to hold a beauty contest for men dressing like women. No guys came out for the "beauty pageant." The idea quietly died. Unfortunately, the president wasn't fired. Normally, the military doesn't go in for such silliness, but things have changed a lot both in civilian life and the military life. That was one of the reasons I retired with nearly 25 years in the service.
Yep. Maybe they are females or homosexuals... Back in the day Army ROTC had one SF (green beret) SGM at each 'hub' school. Fordham back then had a large program and was a hub command with an 06. I don't see any SF SRNCO allowing that garbage to happen.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Yes every minute is tracked and a minute more even on the treadmill for PT in the morning is calculated for these 4 star Generals. Schoomaker? Would that be Peter Schoomaker? That was about ten years ago...was it that one? If so, great General and what a strategic thinker. One thing I am very sure of is that none of these people are even mildly amused about crap like this when it gets to the level it demands their attention and they have to fit a counseling session with some errant senior officer into their schedule between the other meetings they have to attend. I'm betting those are ass-chewings of an epic level. Schoomaker did not appear to me to be a man that would be amused about some idiot General needing counseling because he was abusing his troops and embarrassing the army at the same time. I doubt the guy in charge today is very different. Indeed you are correct.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Odierno looks like Marlon Brando in Apocalyse Now. He has a 'soft' voice like the godfather (also Brando). He is a tall and big man (not fat) and former USMA (West Point) football player. Quite an imposing figure. I spent quite a few late evenings (2100-2300 hrs) outside his office in line to get target packets signed for bomb drops or artillery missions the next day while in Iraq in 2006-2007. That 'soft' voice sometimes turned into a fury and boomed through the marble walls of the palace HQs. Then you see red faced COLs and LTCs scurring out and guess what....I'm next:0 I always had my stuff together most of the time had one of his 'boys' and my boss come in with me to discuss other things. It would be hey boss need to talk to you but LTC RLH needs to talk first. One time when I went up he was on the balcony with a large cigar with a big blue smoke cloud around him unwinding after a day riding and flying around visiting units. I went over he asked if the intel was good, I said yes and gave him the reasons why. He put the cigar in his mouth signed the packet. Like a scene from the Godfather movie:)
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
We probably had more than our fair share of SGM Plumley types,but in SF everybody pretty much knows all the SGM's personally,and know which ones you needed a really good head start on before saluting them. The good news is they weren't the type to try to bring you up on any formal charges. They were the type that liked to settle things on a "personal" level. Which meant I had to be careful walking around for a couple of days and pay attention to who was getting close to me. None really seemed to hold a grudge about it. Give them a couple of days to cool off some,and things were fine. I did push things too far once and ended up with a SGM "babysitter" named "Big Mac" McGuire for a couple of months,though. Everywhere he went,I went with him. I was doing some drinking back then,and can't remember now what it was I had done to draw so much attention,but I do know my drinking was drastically reduced after being tucked under his wing. We were hauling cases of C-Rats out to the Robin Sage teams once in his 56 Chevy pu and got a flat tire. He didn't have a jack,so he just took the lug nuts off and picked up the back of the truck by the bumper so I could change the tire. Did I mention that he also liked to fight? I had no fun at all the whole time I was working with him. The one time I did get him really steamed about something to the point where he threatened to kick my ass,I just got him confused by telling him that I didn't think a man as big as him could run fast enough to kick MY ass",and then got the hell out of Dodge while he was still confused. Last time I saw him was the day I reported back into Bragg after VN,and as I was walking though the 7th SFG company headquarters buildings,somebody came crashing through the screen door and down the steps to the sidewalk where I was walking. Big Mac stepped through the door and said "Well,I guess we know who the company SGM is now,don't we?" Big Mac was reporting in that day,too. Last I heard he was a fundie preacher in some small community,as mellow as could be,and a friend to all. BTW,I used to be friends with a senior NCO that had served with Plumley in the 82nd when they were both platoon sgts,and he said that Sam Elliot absolutely nailed Plumley's personality.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That they have! For one thing,I don't remember so many people being so damn mad all the time back then.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Great Army 'war story' there Pete. BTW,I used to be friends with a senior NCO that had served with Plumley in the 82nd when they were both platoon sgts,and he said that Sam Elliot absolutely nailed Plumley's personality. Plumley passed away a few years ago my boss told me yesterday. My civilian boss was a former 1-7 Cav BN commander. Hal Moore and Plumley kept in touch with the unit as they were the honorary CDR/CSM regimental commander. My boss said Hal Moore used to come into his office on a Friday around noon and ask him where he stashed the booze:) Of course he had to explain the Army changed a bit:) He still said 'come on, I know you have some scotch around here somewhere." Hal Moore is still alive and 93. Just checked his public FB page.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Yup,and yup. I do think it was closer to 15 years ago than 10,though. Gen Bowra was still running SWC at the time,IIRC. I have a challenge coin he gave to me,and one that Gen Schoomaker gave to me sitting in a desk drawer. I'm fairly confident I won't be having to buy any drinks the next time I go to Bragg if there is a coin challenge. He was a old SOG recon guy (so was MG Bowra),and when he heard there was another old SOG recon guy working as a G-band chief,he came by to visit for a few minutes. He was already at SWC for some sort of meeting or briefing,so it was no big deal. He was in civilian clothes to try to pass himself off as a local instead of a 4-star,but I suspect the helicopter full of MP bodyguards looking suspiciously at everyone carrying weapons (which was everyone) gave him away. Not to mention his photo was hanging on the messhall walls at McCall. He definitely had a command presence about him that was unmistakeable,too. There was probably no crowd you could put him in where he didn't stand out as the Alpha male. I know one thing for a fact,and that is that *I* sure as hell wouldn't want to be a senior officer trying to explain a brain fart and public embarrassment to the Army like that to him. I have no idea where he is now or what he is doing,but I am certain that whatever it is,he is doing whatever it is as well as it can be done.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
A truly great American.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If memory serves...Schoomaker was actually called out of retirment for the CoS gig after Shenseki (sp?).
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
He is. Saw the retired General Moore at my Command and General Staff college time at Leavenworth. His book was already required reading for several years...but who needs to be forced to read that book! He came to give us a lecture on leadership in a combat environment given it was just two months after 9/11. He was in his late 60s back then and looked great. Joey Galloway was there too. What an honor to listen to him just use what is usually just boring lector time just giving us and interesting story of his his combat experience.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
There is bad mojo in the air now. The world is going dark and people can sense bad things around them.
Yup,he had already retired,but by the Army (probably the other branches,also) was so polluted with PC brass in senior positions they had to call Schoomaker out of retirement to save the Army and put it back on it's feet. The Clintons had a policy of promoting and being rabbi's for "quota officers". They were especially hot to trot to get females promoted to General,and put in command of line combat units. IIRC,the corruption ran so deep that nobody in uniform could agree on who was responsible enough to take over the position and be accepted as non-political,so they went to the retired list for help. Schoomaker was known to be a very bright and very competent officer who was loyal only to the country and the Army,so he was picked to clean up the mess.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He had a reputation for loving to go out to visit remote SF camps that were under attack,and had the reputation of being the only reporter that went around armed (with a Swedish K,IIRC),and who could be counted on to man a position on the wall when the camps were attacked. I heard he also liked to sit on the berms and some some weed at sunset. Never heard anybody say anything negative about him. He had stones and could be counted on in a pinch. Nothing else really mattered.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. That might be why some people are so tense. They just have a vague sense of what is coming,but can't identify what it is that disturbs them. That's enough to make anyone cranky.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Please keep me informed of his actions, I, while certainty bowing to your knowledge of the Army, doubt that any heads will roll. Generals are to interested in their retirement incomes and not interested in the well being of the junior, O-5 and below, officer corps or troops.
Some Generals are Army 'puritans.' Meaning they know the PC garbage hurts the Army. Yet, the wiley ones, they also know when to pick and choose their 'battles.' If they 'fell on the sword' for every stupid thing the civilian political leaders did or implemented there would be no good generals left. Sometimes they just wait it out for calmer seas. Your USMC Generals do a good job of this to preserve the Corps. For example, the Marine Corps was 'forced' to accept women in their advanced infantry training for officers. They obliged of course...but none of the female officers passed the rigorous standards. They did not lower the bar so females could 'pass' and allow good Marines to be in harms way. The Army gets their 'test' this month as three women go off to Ranger school. I know plenty of athletic men with strong mental abilities not pass Ranger school. The question will be if the Army lowers their standards for the women to look PC or they do what the Marines did and say 'sure ladies come on in, now do this or you are out like the men.' We shall see. As I mentioned a few weeks back I am now a civilian Army trainer. The Soldiers we are getting in now are the same. Some are eager, aggressive, smart and fit and some are not. It has been like that for generations. Most don't get involved in the daily PC garbage and just do their job. It is the job of the officers and senior NCOs to shield the Soldiers from all that garbage coming from DC and the Pentagram. The only negative comments from my observations of Army units from civilian 'eyes' is the lost art of actually fighting battles. All the young leaders 'grew up' in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are very good at fighting insurgents but barely competent on fighting other armies, navies and air forces. It is because of this deficiency retired Army guys and gals work where we work.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
The Clinton's hand-picked a female candidate to be "the first Green Beret",and had Army regulations changed because the physical requirements to be accepted into SFTG were deemed to be "sexist",and the ones she did have to meet,like the minimum pushup number,were done using "Female" pushups. She was ordained by the WH to be the "First female SF officer",and the "First SF Female General Officer". It was all about "shattering the glass ceiling" back then and getting females into combat command positions so they could become General Officers. I understand there was a lot of indirect pressure put on the SWC command by DA and the Clinton WH to make sure she passed,but she flunked out because the senior officers refused to play the game. I heard all about this maybe 3rd hand from others who had heard rumors,but nobody that was directly involved in it ever wanted to talk. Even I wouldn't be mentioning it today if it weren't for the fact that everyone involved at the time is safety retired now. IIRC,there were two 0-5's or O-6's (can't remember which at this point) that had their careers ended because they refused to follow DA and WH "suggestions",and held her to the same standards they held the male students. AFAIK,there hasn't been any female SFTG students since them. It is damn near impossible to flunk out a black or Hispanic student now,though. They just recycle them through the program and send them to a all-black cadre staff to work in a area that is predominately black. I haven't heard very many white SF NCO's bitch about this,but I have heard a couple of black senior SF NCO's get so mad over it they looked like they were going to explode,and I can't say that I blame them. All the hard work THEY put towards being legitimate graduates of the Special Warfare School was nullified by the AA graduates. Now anybody that sees them wearing a beret will think THEY were AA graduates,too. It should be mentioned that the AA graduate "program" didn't exist until after the two 0-5's were forced into early retirement over flunking out the woman candidate that was friends with Bubbette!,and the Clinton's made a lot of political officer promotions. I know of one LTC that was a radial anti-gun follower who broke into the house of one of his E-8's that had been arrested for drunk driving,and stole all his guns and ammo. Word was he had the guns and ammo dumped into Mott Lake. The E-8 threatened to have him and his Fan Boy SGM arrested for felony theft unless the LTC dropped the court-martial charges against him and let him retire with his rank,and that's how the LTC got out of it. He was also immediately re-assigned to a company in Thailand to allow the heat to die down around SWC over his actions,and damned if he wasn't back a year later with a promotion to O-6. SOB obviously had a Rabbi in the Pentagram or the DNC because he should have been forced into retirement instead of promoted. Once again,he was one of the graduates of the "Senior Officer SF Candidate Course",and didn't become SF until he was a 0-5,and he was totally incompetent. He is one of the reasons I quit working Robin Sage. He started to run his mouth at me one day during a area command meeting,and I told him to STFU because I wasn't in the army,didn't have to take his crap,and couldn't be court-martialed. He did STFU,but I was also hustled out of the tent by some senior NCO's standing at the back that knew me and were wanting to avoid trouble. The man was a total asshat,and had already lost the majority of the civilian assets that had been working with SFTG because of his arrogant attitude towards them,and some of them had been doing that stuff for 20+ years. The Army wasn't even allowed to use their farm property for training anymore,either. I spent almost 7 years on active duty with SF,and a few more years later on as a civilian contract employee,and I had NEVER seen or heard of any SF officer talking to or treating senior NCO's the way this man did. It was like he was royalty,and they were minimum wage employees that lived to serve him. I am GUESSING it was crap like this that resulted in Schoomaker being brought back on AD to be the Army COS. It had to be somebody like him because a lot of the AD senior officers by then were Clinton and Boy Jorge political appointees. The Army needed someone without personal knowledge or prejudices to weed out the bad from the good. This is PURE speculation on MY part,though. No one has ever said this to me,and I have never discussed it with anyone on active duty or retired. If I am wrong,it is all on me. The Army gets their 'test' this month as three women go off to Ranger school. Flat out,if any of them graduate,the standards were lowered. Even Olympic-grade female athletes would have a hard time graduating from Ranger School. It is without question the most physically demanding school in the entire US Army. Gym Rat young males flunk out on a regular basis because they just can't hack the physical requirements along with the mental requirements added to the lack of sleep and rest.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
8 women, 184 men remain in Ranger School assessment www.armytimes.com/story/m...rap-week-update/26260827/ I read about this recently and it kind of shocked me and I sent the news item to several Ranger buddies...no response from them. I recall it being talked about in the past, but now the unbelievable reality is here. I enjoy reading your war stories,petey.
It shocks me,too. I'm wondering if the Ranger cadre picked to grade the women were "hand picked" due to their political reliability?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Good, sounds like you guys wised up. But I'm curious as to how much resistance this met from those political creatures outside of the Army, those wanting to protect/reward their favorite "brown noser"?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
As you mentioned he was a 'new comer' to SF from the senior officer course. He did not 'grow up' in SF and that was his major malfunction. He did not know the breed of men he was supposed to lead or leave alone.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
The word integrated and assessment is telling. Means they adjusted standards.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
They had females enter West Point in 1976, I believe it was. Very controversial at that time, but somehow the institution survived and the women did well. Change is a challenging thing to those types of institutions, including Ranger School. I could tell you about Airborne School in the mid-1970s, but I don't want to reveal my age. They were segregated from us boyz back then.
It's the pendulum effect. GOP admins tend to let the services handle personnel decisions. Now with Zero in, we get red high heels. The Dims use the military for their social experiments. The Pubs tend to leave them alone.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
That's a university environment. West Point commissions officers for all branches of the service. Ranger school is different. It is a place mostly infantry soldiers, NCOs and Officers go to be better infantrymen.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Where did you get that from? I feel safe saying 99% are commissioned in the Army.
Anybody who has ever been in the Army and been to Ranger School or talked with anyone who has knew that right off the bat. As I have said before,not even female Olympic athletes have what it takes to compete on a level playing field with the few males that graduate from Ranger School. It's not just muscle mass,either. It's the ability to think and make correct decisions with virtually no sleep and physically exhausted and under pressure with people screaming in your ear. Truth to tell,that part is harder to meet than the muscle mass part.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I can tell you about jump school in the summer of 64. There were no women,and my class started with a class of 425 students. 187 of us graduated 3 weeks later. And jump school was considerably easier than Ranger School. Although to be fair,a considerable number of the class members that didn't make it quit as soon as they saw the 250 foot towers. This was before the first day of training. We rode past them on the way in,and they quit when the buses got there and unloaded.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Of course they do. They are all about social engineering,and there is nowhere more suitable for them to force social engineering off as a successful program than the military. The military can only say "Yes Sir!" and follow orders. If asked if the social experiments were successful,they can only say "yes,they were" because they can be ordered to say "yes,they were". They are a captive test group.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Where did you get that from? I think he may have meant to say "West Point commissions officers for all branches of the ARMY,technical and administrative,as well as combat arms." Although it is true that officers from all career branches can apply for and be accepted for training at the Ranger School. Unless things have changed,a NCO needs to come from a combat arms branch of the army to be accepted,though.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I feel safe saying 99% are commissioned in the Army. Branches of the Army service. I should have been more accurate. Meaning Infantry, ARTILLERY, Armor, Intel etc.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Sorry, I don't see ANY head rolling...except for perhaps some poor token schlub who typed up the "order." Or the personnel in charge of personally distributing the actually high heels to the Cadets. IF by a slim chance someone does take a hit, it'll be a low rung on the ladder and the noise will be muffled. At this point all the damage is already done. Those photos will live in infamy.
Big conservative football player Italian don looking voluntarily bald Generals don't put male Soldiers or cadets in women's shoes. I'd *hope* you were right... However I'm assuming "This Man's Army" is already so infested by LBTQ-types that ALL the "facts" this CoS requests will be still-born. And IF he reveals the nature of such quashing, he'll be prematurely and immediately "retired" just like all the other guys who care.
Isn't all military? I'd have been court martialed if I'd served.
You are probably right.
He is very close to Plumley's family.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know all of this reminds me of the movie Heartbreak Ridge where that supply Major came in and was changing things all for the worse just because he hated the "Old Guard guys".
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Taken at West Point 2010
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Yes.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Let that face serve as a warning that you can never tell what it is you are dealing with by looking until it's too late to get away.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Thanks for the clarification. I know in the old days a very select few opted to enter other services such as the Air Force or Navy. It was a paperwork nightmare but some of them succeeded. Others did in-service transfers while on active duty, again from the Army to maybe the Air Force or Navy. Very few, but it happened. More recently, they had some blue to green programs - from Navy/AF to Army - circa 2004 when the Army was hurting for recruits and the other services were healthy.
It had more to do with skill sets the Army dismissed 10 years prior. In Iraq and Afghanistan there was a high demand for spectrum managers and electronic warfare expertise. The Navy and Air Force had a glut of both and the Army was restarting their EWO program. But yes the Navy and AF were drawing down and the Army expanded during the height of OIF. So some in blue enlisted or transferred their commission to the Army.
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
Others did in-service transfers while on active duty, again from the Army to maybe the Air Force or Navy. Very few, but it happened. The last Robin Sage contract I worked with SWC there was a USMC Force Recon Captain going through the course as a student. That wasn't unusual,as lots of Force Recon officers go through the Q course. Most,like the USMC Major that gave me the K-Bar,were doing it so they could work as liaison officers with USA SF on the Special Operations Command to make sure there were no "we do things a different way" mistakes,but this guy was a AD USMC Captain with Force Recon and was switching from the USMC to the US Army. His whole career was on the line because once his class ended,he would no longer be a Marine officer. It was graduate and accept a commission in the US Army as a Army 0-3,or go look for a job. Not that there was any real danger of this happening. We all like to make fun of Marines,but the truth is Force Recon officers are some of the most intelligent and competent officers I ever met,and there can never be a question about them or any other career Marine being motivated to succeed . The chance of one of them flunking out of any school they ever attend are roughly the same as the sun rising in the west. Hell of a nice guy. One one of the first few days he was at my base camp,I was doing a perimeter check,and he was manning a M-60 on the approach to the main trail. Just for fun,I make the comment "I thought you were a officer in the USMC? I don't see a bayonet on that thing." Next time I saw him on it,he had duct-taped a bayonet to the muzzle,and was grinning at me when I came up. BTW,I know of several former Marines that got out of the Corps when their commitments were up and got into the army and SF,but this young Captain was the only one I ever heard of that did a lateral transfer. Frankly,I'm shocked the USMC let him do it. Force Recon officers are prized Marines,and they don't like letting them go.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It had more to do with skill sets the Army dismissed 10 years prior. In Iraq and Afghanistan there was a high demand for spectrum managers and electronic warfare expertise. The Navy and Air Force had a glut of both and the Army was restarting their EWO program. I have a niece that married a guy that enlisted in the Navy because he was having a tough time finding a good job,and off he went to language school to learn Arabic. Then off he went to serve with the US Army in Afghanistan as a interpreter. Last I heard he had been in the Navy about 6 years now,is already a E-6,and has yet to be assigned to the US Navy. You have to admit that it kinda sucks to join the Navy to avoid combat,and then get assigned to the Army as a translator/interpreter. I guess he is not on the front lines,and is living fat and happy with the big bucks he is earning and no taxes. Happy enough he re-enlisted,anyhow.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If the Army doesn't lower the standards for Ranger, then the women will not qualify.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
It surprised me to, but a graduate of West Coast can transfer to any branch of the military. A high school classmate of mine graduated from WP, and then accepted a commission in the Navy. He was determined to be a Naval Aviator,which he achieved. Later he was shot down over NV, and served several years as a guest in the Hanoi Hilton. I spent time talking to Charlie Plumb about this subject after he returned.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
And jump school was considerably easier than Ranger School. Although to be fair,a considerable number of the class members that didn't make it quit as soon as they saw the 250 foot towers. This was before the first day of training. We rode past them on the way in,and they quit when the buses got there and unloaded. LOL. Okay, I'm going to confess. I was in jump school about the same time. The day came for us to use the 250 foot tower. The graduating class from West Point was going through at the same time. There was an officer in the class I respected. I was near the end of the stick, and the officer was at the front. When he descended something went wrong, and he broke his back. I immediately turned to the sergeant in charge of my stick, and let him know I wanted to quit. He took me aside, and said, "784, I will let you quit if you will give me 21 drops of sweat, however, it's going to be in the building with two large fans blowing on you. The second option is to make one jump off the tower, and then if you want to quit I'll let you." I agreed, and he yelled, "Put 784 at the head of the line NOW." I made the jump, and then reported to him for my grade. He asked, "784, what is the most important aspect of military parachuting?" I replied, "Mental alertness, sergeant!" He replied, "784, that's correct! When I'm finished fall out to my left. Your descent was perfect, and so was your plf.was too. Everything was good. Fall out! 784, which direction did I tell you to fall out?" He had pointed to his right, and it was obvious I had messed up. He then pointed at the ground and yelled, " Hit it!" I dropped to do push-ups, and completed the usual 21, but I had screwed up again. He called me over and said, "784, you are going to be a good trooper, but please don't tell the others about my jokes."
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
I can tell you about jump school in the summer of 64. There were no women,and my class started with a class of 425 students. 187 of us graduated 3 weeks later. They made us run at a sprint from the first week to the second week area. I was a runner in high school, but I learned to run in airborne. And jump school was considerably easier than Ranger School. Although to be fair,a considerable number of the class members that didn't make it quit as soon as they saw the 250 foot towers. This was before the first day of training. We rode past them on the way in,and they quit when the buses got there and unloaded. Approximately 50% failed in my class.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Likewise, I knew several who left Force Recon to become GB. SF.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
My brother-in-law was in the 1/7 in Nam.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Was he there when Hal Moore was BN cdr?
"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)
No, he was there later. He does have some awesome stories to tell.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
People will do anything for money.
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#6. To: Deckard (#0)
Cadets at Temple University were threatened that their careers would be finished if they refused to participate in a feminist campaign to promote the completely debunked college rape culture myth by wearing red spray painted high heels.
#7. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
#8. To: Gatlin (#7)
#9. To: Gatlin (#7)
#10. To: All (#0)
U.S. Army FORCES Cadets to Wear High Heels to Promote Feminist Campaign – Source: Prison Planet. Cadets at Temple University were threatened that their careers would be finished if they refused to participate in a feminist campaign to promote the completely debunked college rape culture myth by wearing red spray painted high heels.
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets….no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate; if it was, 105 of the brigade's 120 members ignored it.
#11. To: Fred Mertz (#8)
(Edited)
I'm sure it was Highly Recommended.
Which means the same thing. everything anything you read from Infoward....
#12. To: Gatlin (#11)
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets….no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: Gatlin, Fred Mertz (#11)
(Edited)
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets….no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#14. To: Deckard, liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete, BobCeleste, CZ82 (#0)
#15. To: Don (#2)
#16. To: hondo68 (#5)
#17. To: redleghunter (#14)
An unlawful order for a few reasons:
#18. To: Fred Mertz (#8)
I'm sure it was Highly Recommended.
#19. To: redleghunter (#14)
An unlawful order for a few reasons...
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets....
no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate....
105 of the brigade's 120 members ignored it.
#20. To: Gatlin (#19)
Don't believe things you read from Infowars.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#21. To: Gatlin (#19)
Don't believe things you read from Infowars.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#22. To: Deckard, CZ82, liberator (#12)
Male cadets with the ROTC at Arizona State University say they were pressed to wear high heels and participate in a staged event in order to draw attention to sexual violence against women.
#23. To: Gatlin (#19)
Don't believe things you read from Infowars.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#24. To: Deckard (#13)
#25. To: Gatlin (#19)
#26. To: Gatlin (#19)
Don't believe things you read from Infowars.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#27. To: Gatlin (#19)
No "order" was given.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#28. To: Gatlin (#10)
(Edited)
The event was not mandatory for Temple cadets….no command pressure had been applied to convince members to participate...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#29. To: Deckard, CZ82, liberator, GarySpFc (#23)
Army ROTC cadets are complaining on message boards that they were pressured to walk in high heels on Monday for an Arizona State University campus event designed to raise awareness of sexual violence against women.
#30. To: redleghunter (#25)
(Edited)
It was mandatory for the U of Arizona.
I will go back and dig further. ... but now it appears as though ROTC candidates at ASU were faced with a volunteer event that became mandatory.
#31. To: Gatlin (#30)
#32. To: redleghunter (#31)
Regardless the ROTC commanders who even 'strongly suggested' such 'mandatory fun' will be in deep doo doo.
#33. To: redleghunter (#15)
#34. To: Gatlin, redleghunter, nolu chan and whoever was a Marine (#30)
What is this modern day military coming to?
#35. To: redleghunter (#14)
Second a commander cannot force a Soldier to wear clothing attire of the opposite sex.
#36. To: redleghunter (#14)
Now I can see most of the Navy doing this voluntarily:)
#37. To: redleghunter (#29)
The Army brass are very sensitive to young cadets being subjected to such 'mandatory events.' IF there is something in writing making the event mandatory OR enough sworn written witness statements show the commander verbally made it mandatory...Then that commander will be relieved.
#38. To: sneakypete (#35)
SMG's really need anger management classes.
#39. To: redleghunter (#31)
Chief of Staff of the Army GEN (4 star) Ray Odierno would never put up with garbage like this.
#40. To: Don (#33)
Heads should roll in this instance. Let's hope it will happen.
#41. To: CZ82 (#34)
Now I'm not that familiar with the Army, Navy and Marine promotion processes so not sure if they are the same or slightly different.
#42. To: sneakypete (#35)
There was an idiot General commanding Bragg around mid-68 that came up with the brilliant idea of building morale by having junior enlisted salute senior enlisted,and say "Good Morning Sergeant!".
#43. To: sneakypete (#40)
#44. To: CZ82 (#37)
I'm curious as to what advice the Commander got from his/her SRNCOs??
#45. To: sneakypete (#39)
The only COS of the US Army that I ever met was Schoomaker. I met him while I was working Robin Sage out of Bragg,and we talked for a little while. One thing I know from that meeting is how VERY heavily scheduled the life of a COS is,and that he is virtually a slave to the job with every waking instant scheduled,and a crew of bodyguards and assistants running all around him like moons around a planet to make sure he is where he needs to be when he needs to be there.
#46. To: sneakypete, CZ82, GarySpFc (#39)
I doubt the guy in charge today is very different.
#47. To: redleghunter (#42)
Just imagine CSM Plumley getting a salute...
#48. To: Don (#43)
things have changed a lot both in civilian life and the military life
#49. To: sneakypete (#47)
#50. To: redleghunter (#45)
Schoomaker? Would that be Peter Schoomaker? That was about ten years ago...was it that one? If so, great General and what a strategic thinker.
#51. To: redleghunter (#49)
Hal Moore is still alive and 93.
#52. To: sneakypete (#50)
Schoomaker
#53. To: sneakypete (#51)
#54. To: sneakypete (#48)
#55. To: redleghunter (#52)
If memory serves...Schoomaker was actually called out of retirment for the CoS gig after Shenseki (sp?).
#56. To: redleghunter (#53)
Joey Galloway was there too.
#57. To: Don (#54)
There is bad mojo in the air now. The world is going dark and people can sense bad things around them.
#58. To: redleghunter (#15)
I worked for the current CoS of the Army in two previous assignments. Once he gets all the facts of this some heads are going to roll. Big conservative football player Italian don looking voluntarily bald Generals don't put male Soldiers or cadets in women's shoes.
#59. To: BobCeleste, CZ82, sneakypete, GarySpFc (#58)
Generals are to interested in their retirement incomes and not interested in the well being of the junior, O-5 and below, officer corps or troops.
#60. To: redleghunter (#59)
For example, the Marine Corps was 'forced' to accept women in their advanced infantry training for officers. They obliged of course...but none of the female officers passed the rigorous standards. They did not lower the bar so females could 'pass' and allow good Marines to be in harms way.
#61. To: sneakypete (#60)
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#61)
I read about this recently and it kind of shocked me
#63. To: redleghunter (#41)
That tapered off after 9/11 when boards starting looking at 'fruit salad' of the combat variant and the number of Soldiers an NCO actually led and how that unit did in combat and training center rotations.
#64. To: sneakypete (#60)
I spent almost 7 years on active duty with SF,and a few more years later on as a civilian contract employee,and I had NEVER seen or heard of any SF officer talking to or treating senior NCO's the way this man did. It was like he was royalty,and they were minimum wage employees that lived to serve him.
#65. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#61)
Twenty women qualified to attend the integrated Ranger School assessment after successfully completing the Army National Guard Ranger Training Assessment Course.
#66. To: redleghunter (#65)
#67. To: CZ82 (#63)
Good, sounds like you guys wised up. But I'm curious as to how much resistance this met from those political creatures outside of the Army, those wanting to protect/reward their favorite "brown noser"?
#68. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#66)
They had females enter West Point in 1976, I believe it was. Very controversial at that time, but somehow the institution survived and the women did well.
#69. To: redleghunter (#68)
West Point commissions officers for all branches of the service.
#70. To: redleghunter (#65)
The word integrated and assessment is telling. Means they adjusted standards.
#71. To: Fred Mertz (#66)
I could tell you about Airborne School in the mid-1970s, but I don't want to reveal my age. They were segregated from us boyz back then.
#72. To: redleghunter (#67)
The Dims use the military for their social experiments.
#73. To: Fred Mertz, redleghunter (#69)
West Point commissions officers for all branches of the service.
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#69)
West Point commissions officers for all branches of the service. Where did you get that from?
#75. To: Don, redleghunter, CZ82 (#33)
Heads should roll in this instance. Let's hope it will happen.
#76. To: redleghunter (#15)
I worked for the current CoS of the Army in two previous assignments. Once he gets all the facts of this some heads are going to roll.
#77. To: sneakypete (#72)
They are a captive test group.
#78. To: Liberator (#75)
#79. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#47)
(Edited)
BTW,I used to be friends with a senior NCO that had served with Plumley in the 82nd when they were both platoon sgts,and he said that Sam Elliot absolutely nailed Plumley's personality.
#80. To: redleghunter (#41)
#81. To: sneakypete (#47)
#82. To: Liberator (#77)
They are a captive test group. Isn't all military?
#83. To: CZ82 (#81)
#84. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#73)
I think he may have meant to say "West Point commissions officers for all branches of the ARMY,technical and administrative,as well as combat arms."
#85. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete, CZ82 (#84)
More recently, they had some blue to green programs - from Navy/AF to Army - circa 2004 when the Army was hurting for recruits and the other services were healthy.
#86. To: Fred Mertz (#84)
(Edited)
Thanks for the clarification. I know in the old days a very select few opted to enter other services such as the Air Force or Navy. It was a paperwork nightmare but some of them succeeded.
#87. To: redleghunter (#85)
More recently, they had some blue to green programs - from Navy/AF to Army - circa 2004 when the Army was hurting for recruits and the other services were healthy.
#88. To: redleghunter (#59)
For example, the Marine Corps was 'forced' to accept women in their advanced infantry training for officers. They obliged of course...but none of the female officers passed the rigorous standards. They did not lower the bar so females could 'pass' and allow good Marines to be in harms way. The Army gets their 'test' this month as three women go off to Ranger school. I know plenty of athletic men with strong mental abilities not pass Ranger school. The question will be if the Army lowers their standards for the women to look PC or they do what the Marines did and say 'sure ladies come on in, now do this or you are out like the men.'
#89. To: Fred Mertz, Redleghunter (#69)
West Point commissions officers for all branches of the service.
#90. To: sneakypete (#71)
I can tell you about jump school in the summer of 64. There were no women,and my class started with a class of 425 students. 187 of us graduated 3 weeks later.
#91. To: sneakypete (#71)
#92. To: sneakypete (#86)
BTW,I know of several former Marines that got out of the Corps when their commitments were up and got into the army and SF,but this young Captain was the only one I ever heard of that did a lateral transfer. Frankly,I'm shocked the USMC let him do it. Force Recon officers are prized Marines,and they don
#93. To: redleghunter (#49)
#94. To: GarySpFC (#93)
My brother-in-law was in the 1/7 in Nam.
#95. To: redleghunter (#94)
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