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Title: Let me ask all of you some questions:
Source: www.ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: Apr 22, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP
Post Date: 2015-04-22 14:58:34 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
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Comments: 102

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1. Do you think today’s preachers are smarter, as smart or not as Scripturally smart as Preachers in the 1770's?

2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic?

3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today?

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today?

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#14. To: BobCeleste (#0)

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today?

You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

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#38. To: TooConservative (#14)

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

Well, Too, you know that if I give an answer, it will be very straight. You can probably write it yourself for me.

Taking the question as phrased "IF Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians..."

The answer is that it should have been a problem for them, but it should only have been a very minor problem. Paul is not God. But what Jesus had to say about doing unto others, turning the other cheek, paying taxes and not killing, and what YHWH and the Elohiym had to say about not killing, should have all come together to have presented a great big showstopping problem to the Christians of the 1770s.

Having proceeded out onto the very thin ice of "Here are too swords!", they then fell through that ice when they didn't "Do unto others as they would have done unto them" by freeing their slaves.

The American Revolution is morally indefensible, and most of those who killed in its name ended up in Gehenna on account of it.

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#40. To: Vicomte13 (#38)

Well, Too, you know that if I give an answer, it will be very straight. You can probably write it yourself for me.

I don't have your obvious talent with rhetoric and prose style.

However: the Revolution was completed prior to any writing of the Constitution.

You want to judge the Founders' performance as a whole over decades. The question, as you well know, was the legitimacy of revolt against a lawful king as seen through the lens of Romans 13. So the legitimacy of the Revolution does not depend on other acts of the Founders or the Constitution/BoR they wrote years later. So all of that business about freeing their slaves is an anachronistic editorializing on subsequent history, not the revolt itself.

The Founders were relying more on the footnotes from Isaiah in the Geneva bible, the version carried by most colonists (especially rascally Presbyterians) that caused King James to produce the Authorized Version. James' one demand: no footnotes! He was right but he was too late to turn that Presbyterian tide of rebellion in the American colonies.

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