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Title: Supreme Court: Cops can’t hold suspects to wait for drug-sniffing dog
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Published: Apr 21, 2015
Author: Julian Hattem
Post Date: 2015-04-21 13:09:58 by tpaine
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Views: 3360
Comments: 35

thehill.com

Supreme Court: Cops can’t hold suspects to wait for drug-sniffing dog

By Julian Hattem - 04/21/15 11:11 AM EDT

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on Tuesday that the Constitution forbids police from holding a suspect without probable cause, even for fewer than 10 extra minutes.

Writing on behalf of the court, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg declared that the constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure prevent police from extending an otherwise completed traffic stop to allow for a drug-sniffing dog to arrive.

“We hold that a police stop exceeding the time needed to handle the matter for which the stop was made violates the Constitution’s shield against unreasonable seizures,” she ruled.

ADVERTISEMENT The case, Rodriguez v. United States, was brought by a man who was pulled over for driving on the shoulder of a Nebraska highway. After the police pulled him over, checked his license and issued a warning for his erratic driving, the officer asked whether he could walk his drug-sniffing dog around the vehicle. The driver, Dennys Rodriguez, refused. However, the officer nonetheless detained him for “seven or eight minutes” until a backup officer arrived with a dog of his own.

After sniffing around the car, the dog detected drugs, and Rodriguez was indicted for possessing methamphetamine. In all, the stop lasted less than 30 minutes.

According to the Supreme Court, though, that search of Rodriguez’s car was illegal, and the evidence gathered in it should not be used at trial. While officers may use a dog to sniff around a car during the course of a routine traffic stop, they cannot extend the length of the stop in order to carry it out.

“[T]he tolerable duration of police inquiries in the traffic-stop context is determined by the seizure’s ‘mission’ — to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop,” Ginsburg ruled. “Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are — or reasonably should have been — completed.”

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Anthony Kennedy disagreed with the ruling, arguing that police can reasonably detain people to investigate other possible violations of the law.

In his dissenting opinion, Thomas said that majority’s ruling makes “meaningless" the legal difference between “reasonable suspicion” — which does not authorize a search of someone’s property — and “probable cause," which does.

“Had Officer Struble arrested, handcuffed, and taken Rodriguez to the police station for his traffic violation, he would have complied with the Fourth Amendment,” he wrote, using the majority’s argument.

“But because he made Rodriguez wait for seven or eight extra minutes until a dog arrived, he evidently committed a constitutional violation. Such a view of the Fourth Amendment makes little sense.”

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#5. To: tpaine (#0)

I'd agree with the USSC if there was no articulable PC for the search.

My second observation is this, how many on this forum like to Squawk about living in a police state... some police state we are. One officer for every 300 people inside our borders and a USSC that upholds the USC. Between this ruling and Miranda, if you're smart, you can run kilos of cocaine daily.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-21   20:14:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)

My second observation is this, how many on this forum like to Squawk about living in a police state... some police state we are. One officer for every 300 people inside our borders -----

Are you counting all of the various agencies that have armed personnel with arresting powers? --- And the fact that we have more people imprisoned, per capita, than any other country? --- Face it -- we're well on the road to statism..

--- and a USSC that upholds the USC. Between this ruling and Miranda, if you're smart, you can run kilos of cocaine daily.

The USSC also upholds the unconstitutional war on drugs, which makes it profitable to run kilos of cocaine, in a black market. -- Go figure...

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-21   20:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tpaine (#7)

unconstitutional war on drugs

Nowhere does a constitutional amendment state that "drugs" shall not be infringed.

The USSC doesn't agree with your anarchist world.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-21   21:04:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#9)

And the fact that we have more people imprisoned, per capita, than any other country?

And who's fault is that?

The assholes who support the unconstitutional war on drugs, of course.

Nowhere does a constitutional amendment state that "drugs" shall not be infringed.

You've got it backwards. It would take a constitutional amendment to prohibit drugs. -- And such an amendment is literally impossible.

The USSC doesn't agree with your anarchist world.

They just agreed with part of my rational world, and it obviously upset part of yours. --- But feel free to whine on. It's amusing.

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-21   21:55:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tpaine (#10)

They just agreed with part of my rational world, and it obviously upset part of yours. --- But feel free to whine on. It's amusing.

I posted earlier that I agree with the ruling. Just because I don't agree with meth vending machines in schools doesn't mean I'm against this ruling. Try and keep up.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   5:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)

You've got it backwards. It would take a constitutional amendment to prohibit drugs. -- And such an amendment is literally impossible.

Is that how it works with guns and speech? --- lol

Typical, - you laugh about govt infringements.

They just agreed with part of my rational world, and it obviously upset part of yours. --- But feel free to whine on. It's amusing.

I posted earlier that I agree with the ruling. Just because I don't agree with meth vending machines in schools doesn't mean I'm against this ruling. Try and keep up.

You can't keep up with yourself. You qualified your agreement enough take it meaningless, hypocrite...

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   9:26:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tpaine (#13)

You qualified your agreement enough

So... that was "qualifying". So if an officer smells marijuana emanating from the vehicle, you don't feel that's enough to wait for a drug dog?

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   10:18:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#15)

So if an officer smells marijuana emanating from the vehicle, you don't feel that's enough to wait for a drug dog?

Right, and we all know that cops would never lie.

Judge: Cop couldn't have smelled pot in moving car

And we also know that drug dogs are infallible.

How Even a 'Well-Trained Narcotics Detection Dog' Can Be Wrong 84 Percent of the Time

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   11:21:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#17)

Btw, your whole post was a deflection from the question I asked. You deflected because you don't have the stones to answer it. Go ahead, answer it... if an officer TRUELY smells marihuana inside a vehicle, is there then enough reason to wait for a drug dog?

I know you won't answer that because if you do... you are full blown anarchist.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   12:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#20)

So if an officer smells marijuana emanating from the vehicle, you don't feel that's enough to wait for a drug dog?

The court ruled that the driver was stopped for a traffic infraction, and unless there's a DUI charge, what he or his car smells like is none of the cops business. It would be an unreasonable search. -- Get it?

Btw, your whole post was a deflection from the question I asked. You deflected because you don't have the stones to answer it. Go ahead, answer it... if an officer TRUELY smells marihuana inside a vehicle, is there then enough reason to wait for a drug dog? ---- I know you won't answer that because if you do... you are full blown anarchist.
Calling us anarchists is pretty lame, even for a statism loving ex-cop who can't read an answer.

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   12:25:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#22)

what he or his car smells like is none of the cops business. It would be an unreasonable search. -- Get it?

Oh really.

So if the officer hears a young voice screaming inside the trunk, that's none of his business too? Isn't kidnapping just as illegal as illegal drug possession?

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   12:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GrandIsland (#25)

So if an officer smells marijuana emanating from the vehicle, you don't feel that's enough to wait for a drug dog?

The court ruled that the driver was stopped for a traffic infraction, and unless there's a DUI charge, what he or his car smells like is none of the cops business. It would be an unreasonable search. -- Get it?

Oh really. ---- So if the officer hears a young voice screaming inside the trunk, that's none of his business too? Isn't kidnapping just as illegal as illegal drug possession?

Sounds like a reasonable search to me, mr straw man..

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   12:41:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tpaine (#28)

Sounds like a reasonable search to me, mr straw man..

You mean Reasonable only because it's not drug related PC. Admit your anarchist hypocrisy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   12:43:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GrandIsland (#29)

You mean Reasonable only because it's not drug related PC. Admit your anarchist hypocrisy

Our drug war is constitutional hypocrisy, and the people who fight against this so-called war are patriots, not anarchists.

And people like you, who fight for this unconstitutional war, betray their oaths to our constitution.

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   14:31:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tpaine (#30)

Our drug war is constitutional hypocrisy, and the people who fight against this so-called war are patriots, not anarchists.

And people like you, who fight for this unconstitutional war, betray their oaths to our constitution.

This fantasy of yours must be the reason you and Deckard shit up this forum with your "anything goes" ideology.

There is no war on pot. If you want it, move to a state that its legal. The only war you are in is against rules.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   14:51:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GrandIsland, ' there is no war on pot' (#31)

Our drug war is constitutional hypocrisy, and the people who fight against this so-called war are patriots, not anarchists.

And people like you, who fight for this unconstitutional war, betray their oaths to our constitution.

This fantasy of yours must be the reason you and Deckard shit up this forum with your "anything goes" ideology.

Pretending you haven't made an oath to protect and defend our constitution is your fantasy, not mine.

There is no war on pot. If you want it, move to a state that its legal. The only war you are in is against rules.

You're quite belligerent today. Having some Dutch courage?

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   18:44:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tpaine (#33)

You're quite belligerent today.

Another post meant to trash up this site.

You have your opinions, I have mine. You just can't settle for that... you've gotta push your snake oil on others... or cause trouble when you get resistance. (Like the post above)

You and Deckard are proof we can't live in an anything goes society... for without rules, society would act like you two.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   18:59:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GrandIsland (#34)

There is no war on pot. If you want it, move to a state that its legal. The only war you are in is against rules.

You're quite belligerent today. Having some Dutch courage?

Another post meant to trash up this site.

No, it's a rational response to your weird comment that "THERE IS NO WAR ON POT".

You have your opinions, I have mine. You just can't settle for that... you've gotta push your snake oil on others... or cause trouble when you get resistance. (Like the post above)

I have my opinions about your weird fantasies about our unconstitutional war on pot, and other drugs. -- And this is a discussion forum meant to air those opinions.

You and Deckard are proof we can't live in an anything goes society... for without rules, society would act like you two.

I think you're boozing it up too much, as nothing I've posted here would lead a rational sober individual to that conclusion.

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-22   19:40:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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