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Title: Minnesota mom who gave cannabis oil to son will not face trial - drug warriors furious
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press
URL Source: http://www.twincities.com/localnews ... a-brown-madison-has-signed-off
Published: Apr 17, 2015
Author: Tom Cherveny
Post Date: 2015-04-20 21:21:27 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39045
Comments: 118

Angela Brown, left, visits with supporters, including Patrick McClellan, outside the Chippewa County Courthouse in Montevideo, Minn., in September.

Angela Brown, left, visits with supporters, including Patrick McClellan, outside the Chippewa County Courthouse in Montevideo, Minn., in September. McClellan, of Minnesotans for Compassionate Care, testified at the Legislature for the bill that will allow the use of medical cannabis. He made the trip from Bloomington to show support for Brown. Forum News Service: Tom Cherveny

Angela Brown of Madison, Minn., has signed off on an agreement that will lead to the dismissal of a child endangerment charge against her for giving her 15-year-old son cannabis oil to treat his seizures and pain from a traumatic brain injury.

Brown said her attorney, Michael Hughes of Bend, Ore., informed her a week ago that he and Lac qui Parle County Attorney Rick Stulz worked out an agreement that will allow for a "continuance for dismissal'' of the child endangerment charge. If she pays a $100 court fee and has no violations for 90 days, the gross misdemeanor charge will be dropped.

Brown said she signed the agreement Thursday and expected it to be entered in court by the Lac qui Parle County attorney.

Brown had been set to stand trial on the charge Wednesday.

"I was shell-shocked and actually upset; he's getting exactly what he wants,'' said Brown of her initial reaction when asked by her attorney if she would OK the agreement.

Brown learned of the agreement while in the Twin Cities on April 10 for the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Film Festival and the debut showing of "Pot (The Movie),'' which documents the fight for medical marijuana, and in which she appears.

By approving the agreement, Brown said she spares her son Trey the trauma of having to testify in the trial. The prosecution intended to subpoena Trey, according to Brown. She said it would have been traumatic for her son to have to testify.

She said her attorney filed statements from her son's medical provider warning of the harm it could cause him.

Brown was charged in June with child endangerment after surrendering a small amount of cannabis oil to law enforcement. The family had traveled to Colorado to obtain the oil to treat Trey. He suffered the traumatic brain injury when he was struck by a baseball at age 11.

Brown and her husband, David, believe their son would be eligible to receive the cannabis oil when use of medical cannabis for some medical conditions becomes legal in Minnesota on July 1.

The legal fight has been a financial blow to the family, and the ordeal very stressful for the parents and their three children, Brown said. They have been fearful that she would be taken away and put in prison. She and her husband have a gofundme.com fundraising site to accept funds for their medical and other costs, and now the costs to move to a new home.

Brown said they have decided to move to Colorado where David has accepted a position with his former employer, the Corrections Corporation of America.

The ordeal has put Angela Brown into the limelight as a spokeswoman for those calling for laws to allow for the use of medical cannabis.

Trey Brown, center, looks at a cellphone photo taken of him outside the Chippewa County Courthouse in Montevideo, Minn., in September. Trey’s mother
Trey Brown, center, looks at a cellphone photo taken of him outside the Chippewa County Courthouse in Montevideo, Minn., in September. Trey's mother was facing criminal charges at the time for giving her 15-year-old son medical cannabis to treat his pain from a traumatic brain injury. (Forum News Service: Tom Cherveny)
Her family's story is part of the newly released documentary film, and Brown has appeared on national television programs to tell it.

While it has been difficult for her family, she believes the ordeal has served some good in that she has been able to call attention to the issue. She remains committed to it.

"I'm going to continue to fight. It's not done,'' she said.

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#1. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#0)

Title: Minnesota mom who gave cannabis oil to son will not face trial - drug warriors furious

The correct title of the article in the link is:
Deal spares trial for Minnesota mom who gave cannabis oil to son

Please don't editorialize in titles. The “Title Block” is reserved for factual reporting. Learn to use the “Poster Comments” section provided in the format to inject your personal interpretation or private opinion into an otherwise factual account.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-20   21:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin, furious drug warrior, hall monitor, narc (#1)

- drug warriors furious

You're furious that the kid is getting medicine and not suffering?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-20   22:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#2)

I wonder if he has the munchies as a side effect.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-20   23:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

"The ordeal has put Angela Brown into the limelight as a spokeswoman for those calling for laws to allow for the use of medical cannabis."

BINGO!

This wasn't about her son. This was about her quest.

Ask yourself. How would anyone know that she gave cannabis oil to her son unless she told them?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   9:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#0)

"Brown and her husband, David, believe their son would be eligible to receive the cannabis oil when use of medical cannabis for some medical conditions becomes legal in Minnesota on July 1."

Well, it's not July 1st yet, now is it?

Second, you need a doctor to prescribe it. But your son's doctor warned that "medical" marijuana could harm him.

Not to worry. I'm sure you find a different doctor who will approve it. I mean, how can you star in medical marijuana movies and give medical marijuana speeches if your own son isn't a medical marijuana patient?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   10:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#2)

"You're furious that the kid is getting medicine and not suffering?"

Where did you read he was no longer suffering? Where did you read this snake oil actually worked?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   10:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#4)

This wasn't about her son. This was about her quest.

You really are delusional.

Have you ever had any children?

My guess is that if you did, you would rather let them suffer rather than use an "unapproved" medicine.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   10:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite, hondo68 (#6)

Where did you read this snake oil actually worked?

Snake oil?

Yeah, maybe in misterwhite Bizarro World.

Damn hippies, right paulsen?

Go have a scotch and pipe down.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   10:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard, Fred Mertz (#8)

Go have a scotch and pipe down.

This isn't a Grateful Dead concert, the kid is taking medication.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-21   10:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68, misterwhite, Fred Mertz (#9)

This isn't a Grateful Dead concert, the kid is taking medication.

whitey-boy doesn't get that.

misterwhite gets his info from his DVD copy of "Reefer Madness"

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   10:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#7)

"You really are delusional."

Her son's doctor said it could harm him. Is the doctor delusional also?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   10:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#6)

Where did you read he was no longer suffering? Where did you read this snake oil actually worked?

This was that Charlotte's blend, the one made from hemp that doesn't get the user high.

It is what is used to treat epilepsy and brain injury patients. Even lardass Christie, dead-set on continuing the full War On Drugs, signed a bill to allow it.

If you can't get high from it, it isn't recreational and, given the cost, will only be taken for medical reasons.

Almost every state is moving to decriminalize that particular medical strain, generally as soon as there is a patient that needs it in their state, usually children having multiple major seizures per hour. The pols don't want to be seen denying medicine to a child who is suffering so badly.

So this is not recreational weed. That changes the discussion considerably.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-21   10:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#7)

"My guess is that if you did, you would rather let them suffer rather than use an "unapproved" medicine."

Those are my only choices, huh? Either he uses cannabis oil or he suffers.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   10:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#12)

If you can't get high from it, it isn't recreational and, given the cost, will only be taken for medical reasons.

How costly is it?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-21   10:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#12)

"So this is not recreational weed."

To be clear, this is about cannabis oil. Plus, Minnesota only approved cannabis oil for certain patients.

So yes, I realize that were not talking about smoking dope to get high. There is a strain out there called "Charlotte’s Web" which is high in CBD. Then again, so is Sativex and Epidiolex, but those drugs are from the eeevil pharmaceuticals.

And we all know that it's much better for patients when they are taking an unknown amount of unpurified medicine.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   11:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#12)

"It is what is used to treat epilepsy and brain injury patients."

I understand. But nowhere in the article did it say that it helped this patient, only that cannabis oil was given to him (over his doctor's objections).

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   11:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

How costly is it?

Last I heard, around $300 a month for most medical users and nearly all of them are kids with a particular and really severe type of epilepsy. Only certain growers in Colorado have a good reputation for producing the right Charlotte blend.

This Charlotte blend is also different from the kind used by the glaucoma and cancer patients. They use the recreational weed. They still call it medical marijuana but it is also recreational.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-21   11:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#15)

So yes, I realize that were not talking about smoking dope to get high. There is a strain out there called "Charlotte’s Web" which is high in CBD. Then again, so is Sativex and Epidiolex, but those drugs are from the eeevil pharmaceuticals.

As with early versions of pharaceutical THC, they just aren't as effective.

I notice the parents of these kids don't seem like the hippie types. They just want the most effective medicine to stop the seizures. They think their kids have suffered enough.

Maybe you should stop carrying water for Big Pharma and consider the suffering of these kids instead. Let their parents make the choice for their treatment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-21   11:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Hondo68, misterwhite, Deckard, Promoters of Fraudulent or Ignorant Medical Practices (#2)

You're furious that the kid is getting medicine…?

Why should I be furious?

That Angela Brown “self-medicates” her son with a marijuana strain rich in cannabidiol (CBD) that “can increase the risk of serious psychiatric disorders and long-term cognitive problems” is her personal problem and one her conscious has to deal with under the laws in her state.

If she feels she is capable of prescribing medication for her son, then she probably also feels she can handle any “harmful effects from these CBD-rich marijuana extracts” that takes hold on her son. It is up to her to totally disregard the messages from the “scientists and physicians who have been quick to warn of the dangers of the marijuana extract because CBD use in people with epilepsy has yet to be clinically evaluated.

If she wants to say “screw you” to the “FDA for having classified the cannabidiol” she is giving her son as “a Schedule 1 drug, the strictest level of regulation for a controlled substance”….then she can say, “screw you FDA.”

Why should I be furious?

… and not suffering?
Research suggests medical marijuana could reduce seizures in children”….nowhere has any evidence whatsoever been presented that cannabidiol “prevents” seizures in children.

The first-of-a-kind drug being developed from marijuana plants specifically to treat early childhood epilepsy is epidiolex….derived from cannabidiol. The FDA approved a series of clinical trials to test Epidiolex’s efficacy to treat epilepsy. “The research revealed that more than 50 percent of the 137 epileptic children and young adults continually treated with Epidiolex over a period of three months saw a reduction in their seizures.”

Furthermore, there is no evidence presented anywhere that cannabidiol cures the causes of seizures, prevents reoccurrence of seizures, or alleviates all pain and suffering resulting from seizures.

Tell me, “Doctor Hondo”….how you know her son is “not suffering.”

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   12:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#19)

she is giving her son as “a Schedule 1 drug, the strictest level of regulation for a controlled substance”

Uh - no she's not.

As has been already explained, this is cannabis oil, specifically created to eliminate the psychoactive effects.

I guess they didn't cover that in "Reefer Madness" did they?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   12:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin, Hondo68, misterwhite, TooConservative (#19)

“Research suggests medical marijuana could reduce seizures in children”….nowhere has any evidence whatsoever been presented that cannabidiol “prevents” seizures in children.

The evidence is overwhelming that CBDs dramatically reduce the number and intensity of the seizures, in some cases preventing them altogether.

What gives you or the government the right to to decide how parents decide to treat their own children?

Marijuana stops child's severe seizures

Cannabis Oil Helped Stop 8-Year-Old Forrest Smelser's Seizures When Other Drugs Couldn't: What Is CBD?

Epilepsy Foundation Calls for Increased Medical Marijuana Access and Research

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   12:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#20)

She is giving her son as “a Schedule 1 drug, the strictest level of regulation for a controlled substance”
Uh - no she's not.
As has been already explained, this is cannabis oil…
I guess they didn't cover that in "Reefer Madness" did they?

You say that "cannibis oil" is NOT a "Schedule 1" drug?

I'm sorry, I must have missed that in “Reefer Madness.”

So, will you provide your source that shows Administrative Controlled Substances Code Number 7360 (a number assigned to cannabis and listed on the schedules created by the Controlled Substances Act as defined in 21 CFR § 1308.03) in NOT a “Schedule 1” drug?

Thank you in advance for this enlightening information.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   13:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin, drug pusher, ObongoCare, Epidiolex (#19)

Epidiolex

CBD use in people with epilepsy has yet to be clinically evaluated

They don't want your ObamaCare prescription! How much stock do you own in this ObamaCare Epidiolex?

It's an herb that's been under evaluation for thousands of years. Big Pharma and the FDA ignore the research because they don't hold a patent on this natural God given product.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-21   13:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#18)

"As with early versions of pharaceutical THC, they just aren't as effective."

According to ... who? The users of smoked marijuana or cannabis oil? Sorry, but I question their objectivity.

"They just want the most effective medicine to stop the seizures."

I read their demands as legalization of the drug, not simply obtaining it for their children. Big difference.

"Maybe you should stop carrying water for Big Pharma ..."

I'm saying we should treat marijuana as medicine the same way we treat any other drug. Why are we making an exception for marijuana?

Marijuana cures nothing. And any symptom it relieves can be duplicated by at least 10 other drugs already FDA approved.

"Medical" marijuana is a scam . It's a backdoor approach to legalizing recreational marijuana, which we see happening now.

Minnesota only approved cannabis oil. Let's see how many people sign up. Wanna bet it will only be a fraction of the people who signed up for smoked marijuana in other states?

Maybe because the people are healthier in Minnesota.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   13:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: hondo68 (#23)

Big Pharma and the FDA ignore the research because they don't hold a patent on this natural God given product.

Does that mean they can't make money off it? Or, does that mean they lose money because of it?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-21   13:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#19)

Excellent post.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   13:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#23)

They don't want your ObamaCare prescription! How much stock do you own in this ObamaCare Epidiolex?

Interesting theory. Gatslime does like to brag about his stock portfolio.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's one of the companies he is invested in.

He'll never get it - his mantra is : "Big Government/Big Pharma" GOOD, Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   13:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deckard (#21) (Edited)

The evidence is overwhelming …

Sorry, sport, but you cannot take cases where there is a small number of anecdotes presented and call them “overwhelming.”

You don’t get to cherry-pick what you call typical cases that have a large chance of being unreliable based on emotional testimony.

You must learn that anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a generalized claim.

I’m sure this is something Alex neglected to teach you. This is understandable….since when did you two bother with facts?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz, Gatlin hash oil (#25) (Edited)

Does that mean they can't make money off it?

Or, does that mean they lose money because of it?

Yes because God invented weeds, and it's becoming a free market with lots of competition.

They lose sales of their synthetic proprietary product. They're lucky to break even on the money they spent developing the fake hash oil that Gatlin's pushing.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-21   13:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68, Snake Oil Merchant (#23)

It's an herb that's been under evaluation for thousands of years. Big Pharma and the FDA ignore the research because they don't hold a patent on this natural God given product.
Here is a method of healing that has been around for just long.
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover ~ Mark 16:18 King James 2000 Bible
I don’t see too many people grabbing hold of a diamondback and laying hands on someone to heal. Oh yea, I know there‘s a Pentecostal Church in Kentucky where they do this. But wait! Jamie Coots, the “snake handling" pastor died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a weekend church service. Oh well, so much for that healing method. We are still waiting to see the long term results of CBD….aren’t we?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   13:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard, hondo68. The Dynamic Duo Medical Whiz Kids (#27)

He'll never get it - his mantra is :
"Big Government/Big Pharma" GOOD,
Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD.
Speaking about “parents deciding how to best treat their children” …
There is the case where two young children died after their parents refused to treat them with medicine. They believed only in faith-healing. After the second child dies, Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner told the couple: “You’ve killed two of your children…not God, not your church, not religious devotion — you.” He then sentenced Herbert and Catherine Schaible to between three and a half and seven years behind bars. At the time of the second death, the couple were on a 10-year probation for the death of their first child. About a dozen U.S. children die each year when parents turn to faith healing instead of medicine,

Then there is the case where the 1-year-old infant girl died when her family attempted a home remedy for head lice. They slathered mayonnaise on her hair and scalp and then placed a plastic shopping bag over her head. Several hours passed during which the girl was left unattended. When the family discovered she was not breathing, they called the police.

There are other cases of the same nature with the same horrific results

So you say … with tongue in cheek:
Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD.
I say, you betcha….far too many times!!! And I ask you: “Who never gets it?”

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   15:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#30)

Here is a method of healing that has been around for just long.

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover ~ Mark 16:18 King James 2000 Bible

Your ignorance knows know bounds.

Typical ploy of the semi-literate, take two completely unrelated subjects and pretend they are the same.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   15:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin, hondo68, misterwhite (#31)

Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD.

I say, you betcha….far too many times!!!

Thanks for continuing to admit that you view the almighty Sate as god.

Bet you're thrilled about this as well.

State Lets Police Take Teenagers Away From Parents If They Are Left Home Alone

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   15:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#17)

"Only certain growers in Colorado have a good reputation for producing the right Charlotte blend."

What's the CBD content of that blend? Any other cannabinoids in that blend? What about dosage and frequency of use? Any drug interactions? What about drug side effects? Are there any contaminants in that oil?

Nobody know the answers to those questions. Yet I'm considered a bad parent if I DON'T allow my child to ingest this substance?

No one cares if my kid lives or dies except me. The people who are pushing for the legalization of these "medicines" are uncaring, ignorant fools, using the sick and dying to push their hidden agenda of legal recreational marijuana.

“We are trying to get marijuana reclassified medically. If we do that, we’ll be using the issue as a red herring to give marijuana a good name.”
-- Keith Stroup (founder of NORML), Emory University, February 6, 1979

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-21   16:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#2)

" Gatlin, furious drug warrior, hall monitor, narc "

LOL !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-04-21   16:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

I wonder if he has the munchies as a side effect

The main side effects is that he feels much better and doctors/pharma has lost some profit. Very evil!

A Pole  posted on  2015-04-21   17:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

Does that mean they can't make money off it? Or, does that mean they lose money because of it?

The main and only purpose of the government is to secure profits for the corporations and and the rich.

A Pole  posted on  2015-04-21   17:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard, hondo68 (#32)

Typical ploy of the semi-literate,

Right back at you with that.

You sarcastically stated:
"Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD."

I documented cases where patents deciding to best treat their children were definitely "BAD" ... in fact they killed them.

Now respond without your poor attempt at DEFLECTION!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   19:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deckard, hondo68, misterwhite (#33)

Parents deciding how to best treat their children - BAD.

I say, you betcha….far too many times!!!

Thanks for continuing to admit that you view the almighty Sate (sic) as god.

Thanks for admitting that you will not acknowledge that some "parents deciding how best to treat their children is BAD" ... and in fact KILLS them.

That you cannot address the issue and must simply copy and paste an unrelated article is pathetic.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   19:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#38)

I documented cases where patents deciding to best treat their children were definitely "BAD" ... in fact they killed them.

How about just one case where the government acted (supposedly) in the "best interests" of children.

Mt. Carmel, Waco Texas.

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   19:10:29 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Stoner, honda68 (#35)

" Gatlin, furious drug warrior, hall monitor, narc "
LOL !
Stoner posted on 2015-04-21
This thread is about a mother who “self-medicates” her son with a drug untested and not approved by the FDA….against the advice of her doctor.
It’s a stunning fact that 4 busloads of kids (around 165 young children) are seen in hospital ERs after getting medications….while each case is preventable.

Do you find about 165 kids in ERs every day because of the ignorance of their parents something to also “LOL” about?

I sincerely hope not.

Furthermore, do you believe parents should give their child drugs of their personal choice that have not been approved by the FDA for quality and purity … and that the parent should arbitrarily decide on the strength dosage and frequency of application?

I am sincerely interested in your answer.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   19:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#40)

You CANNOT properly address the point....you can only continue to copy and paste for DEFLECTION.

That's pathetic...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   19:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Gatlin (#42)

You CANNOT properly address the point

I did address the point, Reno apologist.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   19:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deckard (#43)

Like Hell you did, Alex's Ass Kisser.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   20:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Gatlin (#41)

I was only laughing about the quote:

"Gatlin, furious drug warrior, hall monitor, narc "

Nothing more, nothing less.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-04-21   20:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Gatlin (#44)

Don't try and pretend that you have any concern for children

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   20:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deckard (#46)

Stop assuming you know the proper medication for seizures.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   21:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Gatlin (#47)

Stop assuming you know the proper medication for seizures.

What the facts here show is that CBD's reduce the intensity, duration and number of seizures.

You drug warriors are pathetic.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   21:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#46)

---- Don't try and pretend that you have any concern for children

Stop assuming you know the proper medication for seizures. --- Gatlin

We'll have to leave that pretension to 'Major' gatlin...

tpaine  posted on  2015-04-21   21:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: tpaine (#49)

We'll have to leave that pretension to 'Major' gatlin...

"Major" Gatty is the only one who believes that lie.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   21:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deckard, hondo68, Fred Mertz, misterwhite, TooConservative (#50)

Brown said they have decided to move to Colorado ...

Parents May Overestimate Marijuana's Effects on Kids' Seizures

by Laura Geggel, Staff Writer | December 08, 2014 03:42pm ET

In a recent trend, parents of children with some forms of epilepsy are giving marijuana to their children in hopes of alleviating the seizures, but researchers say cannabis is not a proven treatment for childhood epilepsy, and people should wait for rigorous studies to decide whether the drug is safe or effective.

In fact, parents with high expectations may overestimate the effects of marijuana on children with epilepsy, said the researchers, who presented their data today (Dec. 8) at the meeting of the American Epilepsy Society in Seattle.

In one study, the researchers surveyed parents in Colorado whose children had epilepsy and were treated with marijuana. Parents who had moved to the state because it is legal there to use pot recreationally were three times more likely to report that cannabis helped their children, compared with families who already lived in the state. [11 Surprising Facts About Placebos]

I can imagine these poor families, who are just desperate for anything to work," said the study's senior researcher, Dr. Kevin Chapman, an associate professor of neurology at the University of Colorado. However, it's concerning that the researchers found "that the biggest predictor of whether you respond was whether you actually moved from out of state."

Cannabis contains a number of chemicals that are thought to exert effects on the body and mind, said Dr. Shaun Hussain, the director of the University of California, Los Angeles Infantile Spasms Program.

The two big players are the compounds tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD).

THC is associated with the high that comes with taking cannabis, and has also been shown to reduce nausea and increase hunger, Hussain said.

"It has traditionally been thought that CBD didn't do a whole lot, but attention has focused on CBD as the chemical that may reduce seizures," Hussain said. But research has yet to determine CBD's usefulness.

"From a physician standpoint, it's kind of daunting because we don't know anything about it," Chapman said. "We don't know about side effects, we don't know about drug interactions, we don't know whether it works or not."

Parent surveys

Some evidence is beginning to come in from surveys of families who have given the drug to their children.

In one study, Chapman and his colleagues looked at 58 children, average age of 7, who received marijuana for their epilepsy.

The parents of 18 of the 58 children reported that the number of seizures their kids suffered was reduced by half while they were taking the drug — suggesting that about 30 percent of the kids benefited. In addition, 29 percent reported their children showed improved alertness and improved behavior.

But the researchers had brain wave readings called electroencephalograms (EEGs) for 16 of the 58 kids in the study that were taken before and during treatment with marijuana. They found that just two kids showed signs of improvement, the researchers said. This translates to 12.5 percent of these kids seeing a benefit.

And meanwhile, negative side effects occurred in 47 percent of all the children in the study, with 21 percent of them having more seizures than before, 14 percent having sleepiness or fatigue, and 10 percent having more severe effects, including one child who needed intubation to help breathing, and another who died, although the researchers felt the death was unrelated to the cannabis.

One potential problem with the study is that some doctors took children off other medications they were taking when the children started taking cannabis extracts, which may have altered the chemistry within their bodies, Chapman noted. Also, cannabis may affect the concentration levels of other drugs the children are taking, which can also change how they respond to their epilepsy, the doctors said.

Marijuana from dispensaries may also have varying concentrations of its chemicals, and parents may be unsure of what dose to give their children, the researchers added. [11 Odd Facts About Marijuana]

The findings highlight the need for controlled studies, Chapman said. "By doing more placebo-controlled trials, I think we're going to get a better feel for whether it's beneficial for epilepsy," he said.

Another parent survey, by Hussain and his colleagues, also found the need for rigorous trials. That survey was given online to 53 parents of children who have infantile spasms or Lennox-Gastaut syndrome, who had taken marijuana extracts containing CBD.

The researchers found that 92 percent of parents said their children had fewer seizures after taking CBD, and 13 percent said their child was seizure-free. The kids had tried eight medications, on average, and had not been helped. The parents also said the drug helped their children sleep, and increased alertness and mood.

But these results should be taken with a grain of salt, Hussain said.

"This is generally a pretty desperate group of patients and parents, and I think they are highly invested in the belief and the hope that these cannabis extracts are truly effective," he said.

Several clinical trials on cannabis' effects on childhood epilepsy are slated to begin in early 2015,  Hussain said.

Doose Syndrome

The third study is a case report of a family who began giving CBD to their 4-year-old boy with Doose Syndrome, a type of epilepsy that causes classic shaking as well as jerking muscles during seizures.

The boy had at least 10 seizures a day, said Dr. Jeffrey Gold, an assistant professor of neuroscience at the University of California, San Diego, and a neurologist at Rady Children's Hospital-San Diego. When the boy started CBD, his seizures initially got worse. But it turned out the CBD was increasing the child's blood levels of valproic acid, another anti-seizure medication he was taking.

Doctors immediately reduced the child's valproic acid medication, and he continued to take CBD. Within four months, the boy's seizures disappeared, which was confirmed with EEGs.

"We don't know why that happened," Gold said. "Maybe it was the valproic acid. Maybe it was the cannabinoid."

Doctors still can't recommend CBD as a treatment for children with epilepsy, but Gold encouraged families to be upfront with their doctors if they choose that route. The drug may interfere with the child's other medications, and informed doctors can monitor the child's response, he said.

Future work will help doctors determine whether cannabis is a useful drug, experts said.

"We lack safety data in children, and there should be carefully done safety and efficacy studies on any drug given to children," said Dr. Orrin Devinsky, the director of the New York University Epilepsy Center, who was not involved with any of the studies. "We desperately need this data."

He continued, "There is a naturalistic fallacy in which people believe that natural things are safe. There are many poisons in plants as well as animals. Some are very natural and very lethal. These studies are a call for more carefully designed studies.

http://www.livescience.com/49048-cannabis-marijuana-epilepsy.html.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   21:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Gatlin (#51)

In a recent trend, parents of children with some forms of epilepsy are giving marijuana to their children in hopes of alleviating the seizures, but researchers say cannabis is not a proven treatment for childhood epilepsy, and people should wait for rigorous studies to decide whether the drug is safe or effective.

Fuck the USA FDA for all their failed "research" killing millions of Americans through their god_damned federal charter.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-21   22:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo, Gatlin (#52)

...people should wait for rigorous studies to decide whether the drug is safe or effective.

Fuck the USA FDA for all their failed "research" killing millions of Americans through their god_damned federal charter.

FDA-approved drugs kill 100,000 every year

(SmallGovTimes) – Medications approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration result in 100,000 deaths every year from what the federal agency describes as “Adverse Drug Reactions”, or ADRs.  Worse, over 2 million Americans suffer non-deadly adverse reactions to drugs every year that the FDA has approved “safe”.

ADRs refer to negative reactions that Americans suffer from taking drugs as directed by their doctor or the drug’s manufacturer.  These cases DO NOT include overdoses or drug abuse.

In fact, the FDA claims that adverse drug reactions account for the 4th leading cause of death “ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths”.  Who is the FDA truly protecting, and what responsibility does the FDA accept in the number of deaths that result from its approved drugs?  These deaths give the phrase “FDA Warning” a whole new meaning.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-21   22:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Gatlin (#51)

What Bucky said.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-21   22:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin, Mitts the szhitz, OromneyCare (#51)

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, but these kids deserve better than your FDA approved death panel.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-21   22:34:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeroo (#52)

Fuck the USA FDA …

With your known weirdness, this object of fixation for your psychologically fantasied necessary presence to achieve sexual gratification would probably be the best piece of ass you ever had….dream on, Bucky, dream on.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   22:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#56)

sexual gratification

Are you getting all yukkie already?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-21   22:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: hondo68 (#55) (Edited)

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor,
but these kids deserve better than your FDA approved death panel.
If you love your kids, then beware of “hemp oil hustlers” making medical claims about CBD and their products’ ability.
Some of these companies can’t even spell “cannabidiol” or “inflammation” correctly.
A bigger issue than the claims may be, exactly where is this hemp CBD coming from.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   22:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeroo (#57)

Are you getting all yukkie already?

It's you that expressed your fantasy...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   23:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin, yukon (#59)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-21   23:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeroo (#60)

I was sure you were playin' your flute for your biggest Alaskan pal.

And that was what TURNED you ON....just thinking about that?

You are REALLY WEIRD!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-21   23:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Gatlin (#61)

OFF TOPIC

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-21   23:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Deckard, hondo68, misterwhite, TooConservative (#51) (Edited)

Marijuana Extract for Children With Epilepsy Is Questioned

As more states move to legalize cannabidiol, early research shows the substance failed to help some patients and even worsened others

By ARIAN CAMPO-FLORES - March 23, 2015 6:06 p.m. ET

Studies are under way to test the effectiveness of a marijuana extract that has been hailed as a wonder drug by some parents whose children suffer severe forms of epilepsy. But as initial findings from several researchers trickle in, the results are proving mixed.

A dozen states in the past year, including Florida and Kentucky, have legalized the substance—cannabidiol, or CBD—despite a lack of hard evidence of its effectiveness in controlling seizures. Another nine states are weighing CBD legislation. Some of the bills have been named after children in those states with severe epilepsy and whose families were desperate for an alternative after trying other medications that failed.

The early research results show that while some children appeared to improve after taking CBD, others didn’t respond, or even worsened. Doctors say the findings underscore the need for more research on the extract.

Read more here >

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   9:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Gatlin (#63)

These parents don't even know what they're giving their children. They don't know because their drug dealer doesn't know.

There's no "quality control", no consistency between batches, no screening for contaminants, no idea of drug interactions with other medicines the child may be taking, no clue about side effects.

How much CBD is in that oil? What is the proper dosage? How many times per day? What other cannabinoids are in that oil? Will those cannabinoids actually make the problem worse?

Her son's doctor advised against it. Not gonna stop her. She a vocal advocate for marijuana as medicine. How would that look?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-22   9:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: misterwhite (#64)

These parents don't even know what they're giving their children. They don't know because their drug dealer doesn't know.

One source stated that some guy was making it in his garage and widely distributing it to desperate parents...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   9:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: misterwhite (#64)

These parents don't even know what they're giving their children. They don't know because their drug dealer doesn't know.

You are an idiot.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   9:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Gatlin (#65)

One source stated...

Yeah, your source has as much credibility as the movie "Reefer Madness"

Unimpeachable source.

Moron.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   9:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: misterwhite (#64)

There's no "quality control", no consistency between batches, no screening for contaminants, no idea of drug interactions with other medicines the child may be taking, no clue about side effects.

There are a small number of quality growers for the Charlotte blend.

There are other unscrupulous types who are selling whatever they whip up as a blend, often the main Charlotte blend mixed with other active-THC material.

So there are some scammers out there trying to get in on the cannabis oil market and parents need to check carefully who is supplying them and their reputation.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-22   9:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard, TooConservative, Deckard (#67) (Edited)

See Post #64.

The information is out there ...

Just go look for it and stop looking only for what you WANT to find.

https://www.facebook.com/stopthecon

There are many other sources...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   10:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#66) (Edited)

These parents don't even know what they're giving their children. They don't know because their drug dealer doesn't know.

You are an idiot.

You need to learn to look for and face the TRUTH!

Snake Oil: History repeats itself

Humans can be relatively stupid and gullible creatures. We will believe anything if you put the right sales spin and fancy marketing on it.

So here we are over 100 years after the snake oil peddlers were done away with by the 1906 Food and Drug Act, which attempted to regulate medicines and curb the abuses of “travelling “doctors” with dubious credentials, selling fake medicines with boisterous marketing hype, often supported by pseudo-scientific evidence.” Sound familiar? Yes….Look around you. History is indeed repeating itself and the cannabis snake oil salespeople are out in full force to sucker you out of your hard earned cash before prohibition ends.

The ruse was simple. Wander into a town of unsuspecting people proclaiming to have the cure all for their illness and disease and sucker the townspeople into buying up all of your bullshit snake oil preparations. The way they would pull off the trick is to have accomplices in the audience that would claim that the preparation had really helped them. They would sucker people into believing their bullshit based on the testimonies of those who had supposedly used this new cure all and had been healed. Yeah…Let that soak in for a minute. Check the landscape and you can see that this ruse is more alive than ever, and the internet and social media have made it easier than ever to pull off. The quasi-legal state of cannabis and the lack of oversight or regulation make it extra easy picking for these modern day medical hucksters.

Read more here >

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   10:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Deckard (#67)

Hemp Oil: A Case of Mistaken Identity

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   10:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Deckard (#71)

A half year ago, Project CBD assigned a writer to investigate and report on Medical Marijuana Inc., a penny stock umbrella company that markets “hemp oil” products infused with cannabidiol (CBD), a medicinal component of the cannabis plant. Originally we had hoped to shed light on the complex financial machinations of Medical Marijuana Inc., a subject that had been addressed by a few stock market analysts but not by journalists in general interest publications.

Project CBD was poised to publish Aaron Miguel Cantu’s research when we heard complaints from several sources that people were getting sick, in some cases “violently ill,” when they ingested “Real Scientific Hemp Oil,” Medical Marijuana Inc.’s flagship product. We decided to delay the release of our report until we had a chance to look into whether there was any truth to these allegations.

Our investigation proceeded in an unanticipated direction, involving analytical lab tests, hemp oil production tours, and a crash course in scientific data regarding toxic solvents, heavy metals, and other contaminants. We have presented our findings in this report.

Read more here >

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   10:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Gatlin (#72)

How many millions has the FDA killed, Pharma-shill?

You can't seem to grasp reality here.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   10:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Gatlin (#69)

https://www.facebook.com/stopthecon

There are many other sources...

Yawns....anyone can make up a Facebook page.

CURE Promotes Research on CBD-Rich Marijuana

Despite the fear that CBD-rich marijuana extracts can increase the risk of serious psychiatric disorders and long-term cognitive problems, we believe that the serious long- term effects that accompany the use of anti-epileptic drugs and a lifetime of intractable seizures cannot be ignored. The positive results that some people with epilepsy have been seeing from CBD-rich marijuana extracts are giving so many parents what they have been lacking for so long – hope.

Many people with severe epilepsy have tried a myriad of mind-numbing medications, brain surgeries, invasively implanted electrical stimulation devices, diets and alternative therapies, with little to no relief of their symptoms. While there may be some harmful effects from these CBD-rich marijuana extracts, they must be weighed against the very real dangers and challenges a constantly seizing child faces every day – a child who has no other treatments left to try.

Cannabis Oil Helped Stop 8-Year-Old Forrest Smelser's Seizures When Other Drugs Couldn't: What Is CBD?

Epilepsy Foundation : Cannabidiol (CBD) as a Medication for Children with Epilepsy

Early results are promising, but more research is needed (and it is happening).

  • The Realm of Caring Foundation reports that, among the initial cohort of 27 children with epilepsy who received Charlotte’s Web, 23 (85%) experienced a reduction of 50% or more in seizure frequency. Margaret Gedde, MD, who has seen in her clinical practice many of the children taking Charlotte’s Web, estimates that overall one-quarter of children with epilepsy have had dramatic improvement after taking Charlotte’s Web and about another 50 percent have had some improvement.
  • Doctors in Colorado and researchers at Stanford University have collected summaries of patient histories suggesting positive impact of CBD in children with epilepsy.
  • However, these reports are anecdotal; no rigorous clinical trials of either medication have been completed yet.
  • GW Pharmaceuticals is completing design arrangements with the FDA for clinical trials of Epidiolex and expects to initiate these studies in 2014.
  • The Stanleys are pursuing efforts to develop a clinical trial of Charlotte’s Web using a study design similar to that of the Epidiolex studies.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   10:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: TooConservative (#68)

"There are a small number of quality growers for the Charlotte blend."

Do these "quality growers" know what they're selling? What's the amount of CBD in each drop of oil? How many drops per dosage? How many times per day? Any other cannabinoids in their product?

Here's an example of how it's done correctly:

"SATIVEX® is provided as a buccal spray in a 5.5 ml vial, with each 100 microlitre spray providing 2.7 mg delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and 2.5 mg cannabidiol (CBD)."

"Patients should be advised that it might take a week or more to find the optimal dosing level. The median daily dosage of SATIVEX® in the extension phase of the 4-week clinical trial was 5 sprays per day."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-22   12:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: misterwhite (#75)

"SATIVEX® is provided as a buccal spray in a 5.5 ml vial, with each 100 microlitre spray providing 2.7 mg delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and 2.5 mg cannabidiol (CBD)."

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   12:43:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard, hondo68, misterwhite, TooConservative (#73)

How many millions has the FDA killed, Pharma-shill?
You can't seem to grasp reality here.
The reality you need to grasp HERE is that this thread established by YOU is discussing a “Minnesota mom who gave cannabis oil to her son” and not the FDA, Pothead-shill. Stay on point….go start another idiotic thread is you want to discuss the FDA.

Back to the topic at hand…

You can present nothing but anecdotes about any claimed success from cannabis oil treatment for seizures because nowhere does anyone track how many families treat their children for seizures with CBD or the results.

There are no agencies to thoroughly regulate the ethics of treatment providers and there are no rules to govern the right formulation of content or the amount of dosage. The few, small studies alleging its efficacy are preliminary, inconclusive and often disputed. There are no studies that conclusively document the side effects.

Most importantly, no one knows how often it works and does not work. One of the earlier and oft-reported surveys showed that 80 percent who tried CBD eliminated at least three of every four of their seizures. This turned out to be untrue….specialist participating in that study questions that it was overly optimistic. Subsequent studies have shown the response rate might be closer to 30 percent or, perhaps, even lower. So it not the parents just knowing they are taking a gamble, it’s that they don’t even know the odds.

Don’t make me keep coming over here to educate you….but if it is necessary, then I will.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   14:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Deckard, hondo68, misterwhite, TooConservative (#74)

The Realm of Caring Foundation reports that, among the initial cohort of 27 children with epilepsy who received Charlotte’s Web, 23 (85%) experienced a reduction of 50% or more in seizure frequency.
The Realm of Caring Foundation was informally established by the Stanley Brothers.
The Stanley Brothers are in the business to sell marijuana.
Jesse and Joel Stanley, along with three of their brothers, began growing marijuana as a family business in 2008.
The five-brother operation producing a cannabis-based oil used to treat children with severe epilepsy plans to massively expand by summer 2015, possibly allowing it to eliminate a 12,000-person, worldwide wait list for the therapeutic oil. Read more here >.
The Realm of Caring Foundation - Stanley Brothers. A report on CBD success - Huh?
Okay, sport…. do you have any other “unbiased” success reports to present?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   15:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#76)

After reading Deckard’s posts and all I got was…

…to use what is shown on this T-shirt!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   15:27:46 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Gatlin, in Wonderland, down the rabbit hole, hippie burnout (#78)

No one should have to suffer because you've been on a bum trip since the Summer of Love '67 in Frisco.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-04-22   15:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
No one should have to suffer because the “CBD rush to Colorado is a movement that divides patients from doctors.”

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   15:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
No one show have to suffer because No one should have to suffer because in Colorado “the state health department, which manages the patient registry that all children using medical marijuana must join, offers almost no guidance”....they have no data base to rely on for pertinent information.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
“CBD providers commonly tell newly arrived parents that they should reduce the level of an anti-seizure drug called Onfi before starting CBD because the two could have a dangerous interaction. Parents often reduce the medicine without consulting with their doctors. Doctors at Children’s, though, say they haven’t seen conclusive evidence that CBD has an impact on Onfi levels. Meager research makes it impossible to know who is right.”
No one knows when these children suffer because wrong advice is given, it is never reported…

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:07:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
“Doctors often lack an understanding of the types of marijuana products their patients are using and are unaware of the sometimes contradictory advice their patients receive” from the providers.
No one should have to suffer, but they sometime so…how much and how often, no one knows.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
The International Cannabidiol Organization of Manufacturers and Research (ICOMR) states in a recent release of an independent laboratory test that found one supplement company selling a cannabinoid product that is verifiable “snake oil”.
…but they are suffering because there is no quality control anywhere in the process,

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: hondo68 (#80)

No one should have to suffer because…
“Anyone using a CBD from hemp product please be aware of what you are actually getting b/c it is not what you think. These formulations start with a crude and dirty hemp paste (contaminated with microbial life! I have seen this and these organisms decompose the paste. The paste perhaps even contains residual solvent and other toxins as the extraction is done in CHINA) made in a process that actually renders it unfit for human consumption” … said Tamar Wise said, the former head of science for a hemp oil supplement corporation called Dixie Botanicals as she made a public statement denouncing cannabidiol products made by charlatans and snake oil salesmen in the industry – including her former employer.
…but they are suffering because there is no quality control anywhere in the process,

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Deckard (#74)

Doctors in Colorado and researchers at Stanford University have collected summaries of patient histories suggesting positive impact of CBD in children with epilepsy.

However, these reports are anecdotal; no rigorous clinical trials of either medication have been completed yet.

Please refrain from posting such unsubstantiated, erroneous propaganda crap?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   16:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin (#87) (Edited)

However, these reports are anecdotal; no rigorous clinical trials of either medication have been completed yet.

Please refrain from posting such unsubstantiated, erroneous propaganda crap?

Deckard is a snake oil salesman. The quality of his product isn't important just his sales.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   17:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: GrandIsland (#88)

Deckard is a snake oil salesman. The quality of his product isn't important just his sales.
Deckard is so caught up in trying to sell fraudulent concepts with unproven methods that he truly earned the tile of LF’s top Snake Oil Salesman. He takes nebulous concepts with questionable, unverifiable validity or benefit and champions then with blind dedication.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   18:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland, hondo68 (#89)

Deckard is a snake oil salesman. The quality of his product isn't important just his sales.

Deckard is so caught up in trying to sell fraudulent concepts with unproven methods that he truly earned the tile of LF’s top Snake Oil Salesman.

Gatlin and GrandIsland hate children and wish to see them suffer by not allowing parents to do what they believe is best for their own children, using whatever means necessary to alleviate their suffering including the use of non-fed.gov approved medicines.

To put it another way, they are both fascists who believe that ALL children belong to the almighty State and both of them bravely cheered Reno killing the children at Waco.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   20:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Deckard (#90)

Gatlin and GrandIsland hate children and wish to see them suffer by not allowing parents to do what they believe is best for their own children, using whatever means necessary to alleviate their suffering including the use of non-fed.gov approved medicines.

To put it another way, they are both fascists who believe that ALL children belong to the almighty State and both of them bravely cheered Reno killing the children at Waco.

It was pointed out that your medical studies that you bank your credibility on are about as official as some fat southern slob saying PBR beer causes the drinker to fart less.... and now I hate children? lol

Such drama.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   21:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: GrandIsland (#91)

Killed any kids today, jackboot?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-22   21:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#90)

When I do a Google search for “cannabis cures seizures” … it shows “about 83,900 results.”
Then when I search for “cannabis does not cure seizures.” … it show “about 48,000,000 results.”

While I can’t explain the basis for Google’s information, I can however easily understand your ignorance that permits you to accept anecdotal information and case testimony to form your belief that CBD is the elixir that effortlessly conquers and eradicates seizures. Libertarian anarchism has warped your mind. People who understand what both words means can essentially assume that you’re doubly insane.

I consider Libertarians as usually fringe, while I consider anarchists as dangerous. You represent the extremes of both. You take libertarianism anarchism to a new level of crazy. It’s easy to see that you belong to an interesting congregation of misfits who like to get as radical as possible. You immediately disaffiliate with anyone who isn’t hardcore enough for you and launch frontal attacks on those who disagree with you.

To put it another way, you have a pessimistic view of humanity that always conjures up some false descriptive perverted version of society. Your ideology extremism is far outside the acceptable perceived political center.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   22:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#91)

… and now I hate children? lol
It doesn’t amaze me that he can make irrational charges and display behavior as vicious as any hardened criminal defendant….he learned his lessons well.

His makes the paradoxical absurdity of false logic turn the basically insulting descriptive word “peabrain” into a compliment when applied to him.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   22:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#93)

Why do you wrap your silly little discussions within a teenie-weenie HTML box with tiny, little font?

Can you grow up and just discuss the issues without all the keyboard strokes of a Liberace in disguise?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   22:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Gatlin (#94)

I've decided to ignore Deckard. He's actually the joke of the forum.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-22   22:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeroo (#95) (Edited)

Why do you wrap your silly little discussions within a teenie- weenie HTML box with tiny, little font?

Because I can and because I want to.
I will continue using this format, but now with great satisfaction knowing that it pisses you off.
Are there any other ways I can irritate you?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   22:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: GrandIsland (#96)

I've decided to ignore Deckard. He's actually the joke of the forum.

Probably the best thing to do...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Gatlin (#97)

Are there any other ways I can irritate you?

Absolutely, tater. Can you oblige the channel with revisiting some details about your professional military career as a Sargent in the USAF? I can't find the post but at one time you said you peeled more potatoes than any other kitchen help.

I really enjoyed that story. It is so kool!

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   23:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: buckeroo (#99) (Edited)

I don't think that would irritate you enough....next!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:09:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: buckeroo, Gatlin (#95)

Can you grow up and just discuss the issues without all the keyboard strokes of a Liberace in disguise?

Well, at least he was called out on being a multi account POS.

He can't play all the same games he did to ruin LP, but he will do what he can here.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-04-22   23:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeroo, Tater (#95)

Why do you wrap your silly little discussions within a teenie-weenie HTML box with tiny, little font?

I agree. It's annoying and I more often than not don't read his remarks, for that reason.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-22   23:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Gatlin (#100)

next!

Can you oblige the channel about the reasons for your disturbing insistence of always defending a fascist government? I recognize that you may down play your lofty considerations but, at the very least, please try.

Thanks, in advance mr tater!

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   23:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: buckeroo (#103) (Edited)

I know what will work…

I will go search LP’s archive and find the exchange you had with Mel where she kicked your ass so badly that you began to cry, said your house was shot up by illegals and then you became so hysterical that Goldi banned you.

I will get back to you after I find that exchange to post here. You wait for me....ya hear!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Gatlin (#104)

It wasn't my fault she lived next to the Mexican border with a little red lite on her trailer. She murdered one of my best friends ... JackelopeBreeder; she had her Mexican friends do him in.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   23:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeroo (#105)

It wasn't my fault …
It was your fault that you stupidly posted your full name and address on a forum and Mel linked to it to so the entire forum world learned who Buckeroo really is and lots of other information.

Dang, that was one exciting thread….wasn’t it?

You really lost your cool and blew a gasket….didn’t you?

You said illegals did a drive-by shoot out on you house....then whined and cried like a little baby.

I gotta go now….and look for that exchange.

Catch you later…Robert.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Gatlin (#106)

The fact that little, dirty bitch went out of her way to spend days, if not weeks, to research mine and Hank's affiliation with Chris Simcox. It all just chapped her hide when she couldn't get her daily money from the illegals she was importing from down South.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   23:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: buckeroo (#105) (Edited)

She murdered one of my best friends ... JackelopeBreeder; she had her Mexican friends do him in.
Tell me, Bucky….how do Mexicans “murder” someone by causing them to have a massive heart attack?

JackelopeBreeder died instantly of a massive heart attack in Sierra Vista.

Can’t you ever stop lying, Bucky….even went speaking about your dearly departed friend?

Edit: BTW, you never met JackelopeBreeder. You were only acquainted with JB on LP when you were both ardent supporters of Chris Wilcox and kissing his ass all the time.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Gatlin (#108)

I thought you had to go? Hank died from a massive murder scheme planned by your little bitch.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-22   23:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: buckeroo (#109) (Edited)

I thought you had to go? Hank died from a massive murder scheme planned by your little bitch.
Ah, the “Old Mexican Purple Pill Heart Attack Trick” … you say?
Did they slip it to him in a taco?
I am going soon, Robert.
But, I’m having too much fun laughing at you right now.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-22   23:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: buckeroo, Willie Green (#110)

I leave you with this...


Yep, and every time I break wind from the
beans the sound it makes is: "Buckeroo."

(Caption by Gatlin - Picture added by Willie)

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-23   0:04:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: buckeroo (#95)

Why do you wrap your silly little discussions within a teenie-weenie HTML box with tiny, little font?

I tend to like it. It's a visual clue for content I should just skip over. If I'm bored enough, I do skim his posts.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-23   6:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GrandIsland (#96)

I've decided to ignore Deckard. He's actually the joke of the forum.

Yeah, that must be why the rest of us are laughing at you and Gatslime.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-04-23   7:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Gatlin, buckarooni (#111)

She murdered one of my best friends ... JackelopeBreeder; she had her Mexican friends do him in.

Tell me, Bucky….how do Mexicans “murder” someone by causing them to have a massive heart attack?

JackelopeBreeder got whacked by the Mexican Mafia?

I didn't know that...

Eternal rest grant unto JackelopeBreeder, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon him.
May he rest in peace. Amen.
And may all the souls of the faithful departed,
through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-24   8:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Willie Green (#114)

JackelopeBreeder got whacked by the Mexican Mafia?

A heart attack whacked him.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-24   9:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Gatlin (#115)

A heart attack whacked him.

Well yeah...
I'm not defending bucky's conspiracy theory,
but I'd have a massive heart attack, too, if I knew that the Mexican Mafia was coming to chop my head off.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-24   9:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Willie Green (#116)

A heart attack whacked him.
Well yeah...
I'm not defending bucky's conspiracy theory, but I'd have a massive heart attack, too, if I knew that the Mexican Mafia was coming to chop my head off.

Bucky has been known many time to take "artistic license" to dramatize some event that did not happen, as he did here..

No police report was ever filed and there was not a single newspaper account this happened.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-24   11:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Gatlin (#117)

Bucky has been known many time to take "artistic license" to dramatize some event that did not happen, as he did here..

I vaguely recall LP feuds over the MinuteMen/Gilchrest/Simcox/BorderFence fundraising fraud fiasco... Wasn't Alan Keyes a part of that somehow as well?

So many years ago... it's all a blur...

LOL! Even though I oppose illegal immigration, I tried to stay out of the crossfire of those forum feuds... there was just way too much BS being flung around, I never knew what to believe...

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-24   12:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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