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Title: Fix the GOP, Don’t Abandon It
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URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... p-don-t-abandon-it_898649.html
Published: Mar 26, 2015
Author: Jay Cost
Post Date: 2015-03-26 07:16:24 by Tooconservative
Keywords: Beck
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Last week, to much fanfare, Glenn Beck declared that he was leaving the Republican party and becoming an independent. During a Tuesday night appearance on the O’Reilly Factor, Beck explained his decision thusly: Beck has a point here. Granted, he’s overstating the case to some degree -- political constraints are such that the GOP can’t do a lot of what he demands. But there are indeed issues where the politics favor the Republicans -- the insurer bailout in Obamacare, farm subsidies, highway spending, and the Export-Import Bank -- where the party is not doing much of anything. Far too often, the GOP seems more inclined to go-along-to-get-along then do the hard work needed to reform government. As I argued here, and in my new book, the Republican party has been aligned with big business for almost 150 years. In many respects, this is a good thing for conservatism. People who are employed by a business, after all, do not need the government to prosper. And big business employs a lot of people, so conservatives have common cause. But businesses are profit-maximizing agents, and insofar as they believe the government can assist them, they will go rent seeking. Corporate and professional interests have many friends in the Republican party, who, always in the guise of promoting “economic growth,” pay off their patrons with corporate welfare, favorable regulations, conciliatory tax policy, and the like. Republicans have been doing this for big business since the 1870s, and they continue to do so to this day. So Beck is right: a lot of what the Republicans do is not conservatism. It’s more akin to interest-group liberalism. However, leaving the GOP is a bad idea, for two reasons. First, the Republican party is not going to let conservatives go anywhere else. There has never been a viable third party in the country, at least not one that has persisted over the long run. This has to do with the nature of our elections. Political theorist Maurice Duverger demonstrated fifty years ago that winner-take-all contests centered around discrete geographical areas typically produce a two-party system. There are exceptions, but they’re rare. Moreover, third parties that do thrive temporarily are co-opted by one of the two major parties -- usually to the detriment of the ideological movement that spawned the third party in the first place. For instance, the Populist party was captured by the Democrats in 1896, and did not see traction on any of its issues for nearly 20 more years. The Progressive party ended up getting split between the two major parties after 1916. Similarly, the Perot movement ended up fueling the “Republican Revolution” of 1994, but the deficit-cutting zeal of the GOP in the mid-1990s soon gave way to the gross profligacy of Congress during the George W. Bush years. As if all that isn’t enough, even the seemingly easy task of forming a third party is a challenge. The two parties can be thought of as opponents in most respects, but they can also be understood to operate a cartel that restricts entry by competitors. A third party will thus have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get itself listed on the ballot, and even more to be included in presidential debates. None of this is coincidental. The two parties want us to have a choice … between the two parties! Second, the Republican party can be reformed. It may be very hard to do so, but the GOP is not a political machine. It is not a closed system, impervious to change. It’s open, and grassroots reformers have recourse -- in the form of party primaries. They may be seriously out-financed in those contests. Still, it is one thing to be an underdog, and another to have no hope of change at all. And there is hope. In fact, I’d argue that there has been an extraordinary amount of change within the GOP over the last generation. Reformers have made some real gains. In the wake of the 2014 wave, I noted this about the incoming Senate: The House has shown similar signs of improvement. The “insurgent” class of House reformers is now large enough to make real noise. Did such a group really exist a decade ago? Certainly not with the same numbers. There is no denying that conservative reformers have won some big elections in the last few cycles, and that the reformist right is on the rise within the GOP, if not yet dominant. Maybe part of the frustration is that there has been change, but no breakthroughs. That’s because breakthroughs are hard in our system of government -- by design. That is one of Madison’s big points in Federalist #10 and #51; he wants our system to be responsive to changes in public mood, but -- fearful of fractious majorities -- he also promotes a system of checks and balances to slow change down. Moreover, the powers that be in the Republican party have been doing things a certain way for a century and a half. They are not going to give up just because conservatives have won a handful of elections. Still, given the heartening results of the last few elections, rather than giving up on the GOP, conservative reformers should take careful note of their successes and failures, and refine their strategies. For instance, in 2014, there was a lot of emphasis on defeating incumbent Republican senators. This was largely unsuccessful. Meanwhile, Dave Brat came out of nowhere to defeat Eric Cantor. Therefore, perhaps the point of attack in the next cycle should be the many go-along-to-get-along Republican House members, who may be more vulnerable. The point is that the Republican party is no doubt in need of reform, but still -- it can be reformed. That won’t come easy. Reform never does because the powers that be always prefer the status quo to change, but it can be done. Glenn Beck should stay in the party and lend a hand. Jay Cost is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard. His new book, A Republic No More: Big Government and the Rise of American Political Corruption, is now available. Fix the GOP, Don’t Abandon It
A message to Glenn Beck.They surrendered on the abortion bill, surrendered on executive orders on illegal immigration, common core. They helped push through $3.5 trillion in deficits this last year. They won't fight Obamacare. They voted to confirm Katz Unstein (ph). They thwarted the bill on the NSA data collection. They're still not doing anything on Benghazi. They haven't done anything on the targeting of conservatives with the IRS. They haven't done anything on the VA. They also threw an election against Chris McDaniels to Thad Cochran. They actually went to the Democrats and played the race card. I mean, I can get that from Hillary Clinton's people….
We had to have the house. Then we had to the House. Then we had to have the House and the Senate. Now we have to have the White House. And then when they get the White House, the House, and the Senate then it becomes the Bush administration where it's just as bad on deficits and everything else. They don't have any intention of doing anything.This Senate majority will be as large as the one seated in 1995, but much more conservative. That year, the Republican caucus included many nominal, moderate, or otherwise unreliable Republicans, notably John Chafee of Rhode Island, Mark Hatfield of Oregon, Jim Jeffords of Vermont, and Nancy Kassebaum of Kansas. Some such Republicans remain—Frank Murkowski was succeeded by Lisa Murkowski—but their numbers have shrunk. My informal count has them declining from about 15 in 1994 to less than half a dozen today. The group of solid conservatives, meanwhile, has grown. The Senate already had many such members, like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and Tim Scott. But now they are set to be joined by Tom Cotton, Ben Sasse, and Joni Ernst. My back of the envelope calculations suggest that the number of solid conservative senators has risen from about a dozen in 1995 to 20 or so today.
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#1. To: Vicomte13 (#0)
I recall a post or two from you on this subject. : ) Interesting essay. Jay Cost is an interesting political writer despite writing for a small reading audience of political junkies.
Well, well, well. " Jay Cost is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard. His new book, is now available. " Tell you what MR Cost, take your new book and put it where the sun don't shine!! The GOP is beyond fixing! To hell with them. As to third parties, it should be remembered that the Republican party began as a third party. If they had done as they should have, there would be no need for cheerleaders like you trying to keep the base from leaving. But no, aholes like you had to follow karl rove, el jeorgo busho, mc connell, boner, et al over the cliff. When you wake up and realize what you have done to the party, remember, YOU AHOLES DID IT TO YOURSELVES !!! May you all rot in hell!!!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Man up and leave the GOP. Don't pretend it is fixable. Accountability. When people have power and refuse to use it to do what they said they were going to do, they are liars. The first few times, you may think that they didn't understand, but once the same pattern of behavior is repeated for 43 consecutive years, it's time to be honest with yourselves and man up and do what must be done. Consider one issue - one single issue. You could make it any issue you please: crony capitalism, overseas empire, open borders. I'm going to pick abortion, because abortion is an issue that Republicans pretend they own. Well, they DO own it. Literally. Roe v. Wade was put into place, 7-2, by a Republican Supreme Court. And its reach was extended and entrenched during Reagan's Presidency, 5-4, by a Republican Supreme Court. Fact is, the Supreme Court has been dominated continuously by Republicans every day of every year since 1969. Fact is, the Republicans can and do impose discipline on their party, and the Supreme Court has been very reliable on Republican issue after issue. In 1973, the Republicans did not have to impose Roe. And every day since they could strike it down. In the 42 years since 1973, Republicans have controlled the White House for 24 years, and Democrats have controlled it for 18. During that time, the entire Supreme Court has been replaced, to the last man. Republicans have appointed 7 Justices since then. Democrats have appointed four. All Democrat justices are always pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-this, anti-that. Democrats appoint justices who are very reliably Democrat, who uphold Democrat ideals. Of the seven justices that the Republicans have appointed since Roe, four have voted for abortion, either directly or tacitly. The majority of Republican justices appointed since Roe v. Wade have been pro-choice. As many pro-choice Republicans have been appointed to the bench since Roe as pro-choice Democrats. So, the Republican party GAVE us Roe v. Wade, via their Supreme Court, and they have upheld and entrenched Roe v. Wade via their Supreme Court. As the court has turned over, the majority of justices they have appointed have voted pro- choice. The Republican position that they are the "pro-life party" is a lie. It's a well-told lie, and people desperate to end the scourge of abortion have bought it hook like and sinker. But consider the Republican Presidents and nominees since Roe. After Nixon there was Reagan. He stated he was pro-life, and may have been personally. But he appointed two pro-abortion justices to the Supreme Court, who were the deciding margin for Casey. He only appointed one putatively pro-life justice. Bush 41 was pro-choice. He appointed Souter. And then of course Bush 43. Bush gave us Alito, who seems pro-life, but he also gave us Roberts, who switched his vote at the last minute to support Obamacare, with its abortion mandate. And he tried to give us Harriet Miers. McCain was always "moderate" on abortion. He talks the game but never fights. Romney was pro-choice. Democrats appoint people who reflect their ideology. AND SO DO REPUBLICANS. They just PRETEND that they don't, to keep the duped rube pro-lifers in ranks. It's time for pro-lifers to stop being dupes, grow a pair and walk out of the Republican Party en masse. It cannot be fixed, and the party of Roe SHOULD not be fixed. It should be destroyed. Destroy the GOP, and you destroy the entrenched power of the crony capitalists. Can the pro-lifers on their own overturn Roe? Maybe, over time, with the Hispanic vote. Maybe not. But if they stay as neutered eunuchs in Republican ranks, they'll NEVER overturn it. The Republicans Party gave us Roe, and has carefully maintained the power structure on the court to keep Roe. It's a cinch that as long as pro-lifers stay Republican, abortion will be progressively strengthened by the decisions of Republicans in power. They gave us Roe, they extended Roe, and they gave Roe public funding. The Republican Party is, by its acts, more pro-abortion than the Democrats. Democrats talk about abortion, but Republicans put it into the Constitution. Pro-lifers have to choose between their belief in life and the Republican Party. To stay in the GOP is to be a Jewish Nazi. It's foolish, and it doesn't influence the bad guys.
Not really. The Whigs had a party crisis in the 1850's and pretty much collapsed which allowed the Republican party to rise. But it's leaders were the same Whigs as before. Lincoln himself was a Whig congressman (one term, chased out of Congress for scandalous antiwar speeches about Polk and his desire for "military glory—that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood" and other remarks about the conduct of the Army during the Mexican-American War, a regular Cindy Sheehan). Lincoln was always a Clay Whig, a follower of the founding Whig leader from 1812-1850, Henry Clay. And the Republican party has had a steady stream of this kind of Clay Whig ideology throughout its history. Clay was a very dominant figure in both the First and Second Party systems. As a leading war hawk in 1812, he favored war with Britain and played a significant role in leading the nation to war in the War of 1812.[1] In 1824 he ran for president and lost, but maneuvered House voting in favor of John Quincy Adams, who made him secretary of state as the Jacksonians denounced what they considered a "corrupt bargain." He ran and lost again in 1832 and 1844 as the candidate of the Whig Party, which he founded and usually dominated. Clay was the foremost proponent of the American System, fighting for an increase in tariffs to foster industry in the United States, the use of federal funding to build and maintain infrastructure, and a strong national bank. He opposed the annexation of Texas, fearing it would inject the slavery issue into politics. Clay also opposed the Mexican-American War and the "Manifest Destiny" policy of Democrats, which cost him votes in the close 1844 election. Dubbed the "Great Pacificator," Clay brokered important compromises during the Nullification Crisis and on the slavery issue. As part of the "Great Triumvirate" or "Immortal Trio," along with his colleagues Daniel Webster and John C. Calhoun, he was instrumental in formulating the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850. He was viewed as the primary representative of Western interests in this group, and was given the names "Henry of the West" and "The Western Star."[2] A plantation owner, Clay held slaves during his lifetime but freed them in his will. Abraham Lincoln, the Whig leader in Illinois, was a great admirer of Clay, saying he was "my ideal of a great man." Lincoln wholeheartedly supported Clay's economic programs.[4] In 1957, a Senate Committee selected Clay as one of the five greatest U.S. Senators, along with Daniel Webster, John C. Calhoun, Robert La Follette, and Robert A. Taft. You really have to know the Whigs to know the origins of the GOP. The writer here is just pointing out some things that never change and what can be done to make the GOP a conservative/libertarian reform party instead of just some sleazy Whigs.
Stoner, The Republicans began as an anti-slavery party. Lincoln's version of anti- slavery was not a modern one - he sought to strangle slavery by limiting its expansion, but the reason the South immediately seceded upon his election was that everybody on all sides knew that he was anti-slavery, and they were not having it. He WAS anti-slavery too, as his actions showed. The Radical Republicans of the Civil War and the remainder of Lincoln's second term, the ones who impeached Andrew Johnson, were rapidly anti-slavery. They were my kind of guys. But then came the election of 1868 and the rise of Ulysses S. Grant and a new kind of Republican. The Grant Administration was utterly corrupt. The victorious Northern industrialist and banking power dominated the government, and government became a structure for giving contracts and patronage to that class of people. The Country Club Republican was born in Grant's Administration. And THAT has been the Republican Party ever since: the party of crony capitalism. It takes public positions on hot button issues to dupe the rubes and stampede voters into its camp, but the only CONSISTENT Republican policy since 1868 has been stockjobbing crony capitalism.
Even if the GOP collapsed entirely as the Whigs once did, any new party would of necessity be forced to accept large numbers of pols and voters who were Republicans. The history of third parties and of the GOP's own formation demonstrate that this is still true. We saw the same when the South aligned to the GOP in the Nineties. In the end, you have to fix the problem, not merely play musical chairs with the same elements waiting to reform inside any new conservative party. There are dynamics to an entrenched two-party system. And nature abhors a vacuum. And strong players will always flock to any political vehicle available to protect (and reward) their interests. In the end, that is what you have to change. Historically, certain patterns do endure. You can't wave a magic wand and abolish them. They just come back under new labels. The GOP lost its last Earl Warrens and Henry Blackmuns -- and Dem justicies like Brennan or Thurgood Marshall -- years ago. Stare decisis has largely prevented the Court from reopening the abortion question based on embryo development science not available in the Seventies.
Stare decisis prevents lower courts from disregarding higher courts. It does not prevent the upper court from overruling itself unless the upper court WANTS to be prevented. A new party might become corrupt in time. But the Republican Party is THOROUGHLY corrupt now. All honest men of good will need to leave the Republican Party. Republicans are either corrupt scumbags or, if they are not corrupt, are herd- following moral cowards. Every last one of them.
If Jay Cost ever wants to achieve mainstream recognition and credibility, he needs to learn how to ignore certifiable crackpots like Glen Beck.
Which was my point. My 3rd great grand father was the first man in his home county to change from Whig to Republican.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I appreciate the history lesson. My position still stands, that the Republican Party is a worthless, treasonous, pack of liars & backstabbers. It will not be reformed. Anyone that thinks it can be reformed is a fool!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I go further. I am unwilling to dismiss the intelligent Republicans I know as fools. They're not fools. They value the things their party values, that's why they stay. When I call them dupes, I'm trying to let them off the hook. Truth is, Republican voters are neither dupes nor fools. They are evil crapweasels. Every last one of them. They vote for evil. They are in league with it. They uphold it. They stand in serried ranks to defend it. And they crow that their evil party is "the only way" - to encourage other people to not break ranks. That's what lesser demons do. And that's what Republicans are: immoral lessers. But not stupid. They're smart, they're greedy, they're immoral, they're liars. I detest them as thoroughly as I detest Democrats. Which is why I don't ask people about their political affiliations the way I did when I was younger. Identify yourself as a Democrat, and you're a babykiller. Identify yourself as a Republican, and you're a greedy babykiller.
I could not agree more, you could write a novel describing the back-stabbing and double dealing of OUR PARTY, or should I say ex-party.
How is Glenn Beck a crackpot? What position has he taken, or story that he has brought forward that is proven wrong?
We are in agreement! I reluctantly have come to accept that this country we love will sink, there is no saving it!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I believe that Lincoln, the first Republican president, said that.
Last week, to much fanfare, Glenn Beck declared that he was leaving the Republican party and becoming an independent. During a Tuesday night appearance on the O’Reilly Factor, Beck explained his decision thusly: They surrendered on the abortion bill, surrendered on executive orders on illegal immigration... Fix the Whig Party, Don’t Abandon It A message to Abraham Lincoln. Last week, to much fanfare, Abraham Lincoln declared that he was leaving the Whig party and becoming a Republican. During a speech in Peoria, Lincoln explained his decision thusly: They surrendered on the Wilmot Proviso, surrendered on the Kansas–Nebraska Act...
Read his biography... his entire delusional life has been misdirected by substance abuse.
And yet somehow the Dems who you claim to oppose so much never get a tenth as much of your scorn.
But there is no proof that he ever said it or anything similar to it. QuoteInvestigator: You Cannot Fool All the People All the Time -- Abraham Lincoln? Jacques Abbadie? Denis Diderot? Anonymous?
Very witty riposte. : )
There is a lot of that, I think it is due to the betrayal. Americans have a lot more scorn for Benedict Arnold than they do for Major Andre. A divorced man is going to have a lot more scorn for the wife who cheated on him than he is for some streetwalker. The modern RNC establishment is all about betrayal, scorn is what they will naturally reap.
quite a conundrum then. The party can't be fixed ,and 3rd party insurgencies brings us the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson and Bubba Clinton.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It's not realistic to expect the McSheeple to "fix" the GeeOpie when they won't even be bothered to reign in the "Professional Educators" inflicting common-core within their local public schools. Until the later happens, the former won't.
Well, the soap box, the jury box, and the ballot box are all broken. I guess we will have to resign our selves that the nation is going to go down the drain, and there is nothing we can do about it.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Gov Reagan legalized abortion before R v W in California (he also passed gun restricting legistlation) - thought nothing of it. By the time he ran for president the anti abortion movement was gaining steam and he pandered to them but made sure that when addressing them he did so by telephone from a distance.
George Bush is the one that gave us Bubba Clinton. A third party had nothing to do with it, asshole.
We can take back our schools one classroom at a time, for starters.
Anyone remember this gem from the '92 debates? That's when I knew that Xlinton had won it.
It's taken about 70 years for the progressives to destroy the schools. Sorry, but I don't think we have that kind of time left.
Anderl Meier: You're very good. I have really enjoyed climbing with you. Dr. Jonathan Hemlock: We'll make it. Anderl Meier: I don't think so. But we shall continue with style.
Even so, he would have failed without Perot's help.
Sadly, I have to agree! That would be like a gang of thugs attacking your house, shooting you, your wife, kids, & pets, then pouring gasoline on and striking a match to burn it down,and someone suggesting you chill out, call the police, and wait for them to arrive on scene & take care of it, but for you to NOT TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS, and correct it in a civilized manner. Yeah, riiiiiiiight.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Your local GOP must be a lot more lively than the one around here.
I will admit my example is exaggerated, but it was to illustrate the imperative of the time factor. But then, you already knew that.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Yeah, riiiiiiiight. I think Beck's most cogent statement was that if we the Dims, the slide goes faster. If we pick the Pubs the slide slows just a bit. However, what he did not consider is regardless of party, once they all gather in the hell hole of Wash DC, birds of feather...
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
"Turn and burn" mentality has its immediate 'Id' fulfillment. However what happens after everything is burned down? I agree somewhat with the article. The portion that shows we are getting more Tea Party conservatives going to DC is important. It does not satisfy the immediate 'Id' in us who want to knock it all down and start again. Then we have to consider...things happen which reverse a lot of wrong. We can never predict it; it just happens. It is my hope and prayer one of these historical 'things happen' comes along very soon. It can happen. But, Stoner, I share your anger and frustration. I have kids too and they are growing up in a sewer of a nation. Sure there are still some oasis places, but for how long. Texas is pretty good where I am. Even so I still have concerns given I am raising two white males who will encounter discrimination based on how our woman-minority centric society is today. Don't burn it down just yet. You never know when the "Riders of Rohan" will arrive to save the city:
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
Updated Ben Garrison graphic!
I am sure many share the same anger & frustration. " You never know when the "Riders of Rohan" will arrive to save the city: " I have long lost faith in that happening! We are surrounded by way too much evil, and too much within !
Si vis pacem, para bellum
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestCorporate and professional interests have many friends in the Republican party, who, always in the guise of promoting “economic growth,” pay off their patrons with corporate welfare, favorable regulations, conciliatory tax policy, and the like. Republicans have been doing this for big business since the 1870s, and they continue to do so to this day.
#2. To: TooConservative (#0)
" As I argued here, and in my new book - Fix the GOP, Don’t Abandon It "
#3. To: TooConservative (#0)
#4. To: Stoner, Vicomte13 (#2)
As to third parties, it should be remembered that the Republican party began as a third party.
Mitch McConnell is also a huge admirer of Henry Clay of Kentucky. When Rand Paul was insufficiently complimentary to Clay during his first campaign, McConnell threw quite a fit. It really offended him personally. Henry Clay, Sr. (April 12, 1777 – June 29, 1852) was an American lawyer, politician, and skilled orator who represented Kentucky in both the United States Senate and House of Representatives. He served three different terms as Speaker of the House of Representatives and was also Secretary of State from 1825 to 1829. He lost his campaigns for president in 1824, 1832 and 1844.
#5. To: Stoner (#2)
When you wake up and realize what you have done to the party
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Man up and leave the GOP. Don't pretend it is fixable.
Fact is, the Supreme Court has been dominated continuously by Republicans every day of every year since 1969.
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
Stare decisis has largely prevented the Court
#8. To: TooConservative (#0)
A message to Glenn Beck.
#9. To: TooConservative (#4)
" The Whigs had a party crisis in the 1850's and pretty much collapsed which allowed the Republican party to rise. But it's leaders were the same Whigs as before. "
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#5)
#11. To: Stoner (#10)
(Edited)
My position still stands, that the Republican Party is a worthless, treasonous, pack of liars & backstabbers. It will not be reformed. Anyone that thinks it can be reformed is a fool!
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#13. To: Willie Green (#8)
#14. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
" I detest them as thoroughly as I detest Democrats. "
#15. To: TooConservative (#0)
#16. To: TooConservative (#0)
Fix the GOP, Don’t Abandon It A message to Glenn Beck.
#17. To: jeremiad (#13)
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
Republicans are either corrupt scumbags or, if they are not corrupt, are herd- following moral cowards. Every last one of them.
#19. To: Don (#15)
I believe that Lincoln, the first Republican president, said that.
#20. To: nativist nationalist (#16)
Last week, to much fanfare, Abraham Lincoln declared that he was leaving the Whig party and becoming a Republican. During a speech in Peoria, Lincoln explained his decision thusly:
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
And yet somehow the Dems who you claim to oppose so much never get a tenth as much of your scorn.
#22. To: Stoner (#2)
The GOP is beyond fixing!
#23. To: TooConservative (#1)
(Edited)
"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE, THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN"
#24. To: jeremiad (#13)
(Edited)
How is Glenn Beck a crackpot?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/21/the-precious-gift-glenn- beck-regrets-giving-mitt-romney-to-this-day/
#25. To: tomder55 (#22)
" The party can't be fixed ,and 3rd party insurgencies brings us the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson and Bubba Clinton. "
#26. To: Stoner (#10)
I appreciate the history lesson. My position still stands, that the Republican Party is a worthless, treasonous, pack of liars & backstabbers. It will not be reformed. Anyone that thinks it can be reformed is a fool!
Amen!
#27. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#3)
(Edited)
Well, they DO own it. Literally. Roe v. Wade was put into place, 7-2, by a Republican Supreme Court. And its reach was extended and entrenched during Reagan's Presidency, 5-4, by a Republican Supreme Court.
#28. To: tomder55 (#22)
The party can't be fixed ,and 3rd party insurgencies brings us the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson and Bubba Clinton.
#29. To: Stoner (#25)
and there is nothing we can do about it.
#30. To: rlk (#28)
George Bush is the one that gave us Bubba Clinton.
#31. To: VxH (#29)
We can take back our schools one classroom at a time, for starters.
#32. To: Rufus T Firefly (#31)
Sorry, but I don't think we have that kind of time left.
Cruz-Hemlock 16!
#33. To: Rufus T Firefly (#30)
Anyone remember this gem from the '92 debates? That's when I knew that Xlinton had won it.
#34. To: Rufus T Firefly (#31)
" Sorry, but I don't think we have that kind of time left. "
#35. To: Stoner (#34)
That would be like a gang of thugs attacking your house, shooting you, your wife, kids, & pets, then pouring gasoline on and striking a match to burn it down...
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
#37. To: Stoner (#34)
That would be like a gang of thugs attacking your house, shooting you, your wife, kids, & pets, then pouring gasoline on and striking a match to burn it down,and someone suggesting you chill out, call the police, and wait for them to arrive on scene & take care of it, but for you to NOT TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS, and correct it in a civilized manner.
#38. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#35)
#39. To: TooConservative (#0)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#40. To: redleghunter (#38)
" Stoner, I share your anger and frustration. I have kids too and they are growing up in a sewer of a nation. "
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