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Title: Would a Bigger Police State Win the Drug War?
Source: Future Of Freedom Foundation
URL Source: http://fff.org/2015/03/04/bigger-police-state-win-drug-war/
Published: Mar 6, 2015
Author: Jacob G. Hornberger
Post Date: 2015-03-06 05:22:44 by Deckard
Keywords: War on Drugs, Prohibition
Views: 1184
Comments: 18

Most everyone would agree that China is not a free society. It is ruled by a brutal communist regime, one that has absolutely no regard for civil liberties and such criminal-justice principles as due process of law, trial by jury, right to counsel, and habeas corpus. When the state wants to go after someone, there are no institutional barriers that stand in its way.

China has something else: the war on drugs, the same war that the U.S. government has been waging for decades.

According to an article in the New York Times, despite a fierce, unrelenting war waged against drugs, drug use in China remains as big a problem as ever.

Why is that important to Americans?

Two reasons.

One, it shows that drug laws are part and parcel of tyrannical regimes. It is only in genuinely free societies that people are free to ingest any substance they want without being punished by the state for it.

In other words, the United States has the same type of governmental program as the brutal and tyrannical communist regime in China.

Two, the China experience shows Americans that no matter how much more the federal government were to crack down in the war on drugs, it wouldn’t make any difference whatsoever. People would continue to ingest drugs, even while a large percentage of them were being incarcerated or otherwise punished.

In other words, if the U.S. government were to impose the same type of totalitarian police state as China as part of the war on drugs, it would destroy freedom without achieving the desired result.

According to the article,

China has some of the world’s harshest drug laws: those caught trafficking large amounts of drugs can face the death penalty, and the police have the authority to send casual drug users to compulsory drug rehabilitation centers, which human rights groups say are little more than labor camps.

Nonetheless, “Liu Yuejin, director general of the government’s anti-narcotics division, estimated the actual number of addicts at 13 million.”

In one week alone, Chinese police arrested 60,500 people suspected of drug-law violations. By the middle of December 2014, an estimated 180,000 drug users had been punished, with almost a third of them being sent to government-run rehab centers.

As we can see with China, drug laws are part of tyrannical regimes, not free societies. Moreover, even if a total police state were imposed here in the United States as part of the war on drugs, as is the case in communist China, it wouldn’t bring about the desired result anyway.

So, what’s the point of the drug war here at home? Americans should be leading the world to freedom and tolerance, not following the well-trodden road toward tyranny and oppression. What better place to start than by ending the war on drugs?

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

"One, it shows that drug laws are part and parcel of tyrannical regimes."

The logic being:

-- China is a tyrannical regime.
-- China has drug laws.
-- The U.S. has drug laws.
-- Therefore, the U.S. is a tyrannical regime.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-06   13:00:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

The logic being:

...the China experience shows Americans that no matter how much more the federal government were to crack down in the war on drugs, it wouldn’t make any difference whatsoever. People would continue to ingest drugs, even while a large percentage of them were being incarcerated or otherwise punished.

In other words, if the U.S. government were to impose the same type of totalitarian police state as China as part of the war on drugs, it would destroy freedom without achieving the desired result.

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-06   14:01:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#2)

Obviously, no law eliminates that crime in a FREE SOCIETY. That's the rule of thumb you need to go by to determine how free we are... when people violate a particular law, at will, literally hundreds of thousands of times a year... like drug laws, we are not a police state and VERY FREE.

We lose the "war" on any crime because we are free. The reason we lose the "war on drugs" so much more than all our other "war" on crimes, is because there is no ramifications or consequences for breaking a drug law. Too many other WORTHLESS and ineffective plea offers like, probation, parole, and the most worthless at all, rehab and drug court.

I spent 20 years dealing with the same filth over and over and over again. Most people that have a drug felony in their criminal history HAVE AN EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL HISTORY for other crimes... and they get off easy on those because they blame the addiction.

We can't win the "war" on any crime... but if you want to at least curb the drug use, sales and drug related crime (like burglary, robbery and larceny)... You've gotta stop feeling sorry for addiction,stop trying to rehab it or rehabilitate it... and incarcerate for long full terms... and run a clean controlled correctional facility... where they are forced to do a long long prison term without drugs.

Almost every extensive drug felon I've ever dealt with, was on some level of social service. If I've gotta FUND them to live, let them live in jail.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-06   16:40:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GrandIsland, .misterwhite, Y'ALL (#4)

Almost every extensive drug felon I've ever dealt with, was on some level of social service. If I've gotta FUND them to live, let them live in jail.

They would not be "drug felons" if the 'war' ended. Pure addictive drugs should be sold at cost by druggists to encourage overdoses. Then you wouldnt have to "FUND them to live" and addicts could die happy, -- not in jail.

It'd be cheaper for everyone concerned.

tpaine  posted on  2015-03-06   21:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tpaine (#5)

Pure addictive drugs should be sold at cost by druggists to encourage overdoses. Then you wouldnt have to "FUND them to live" and addicts could die happy,

Are you kidding? Just before I retired, they were talking about training officers in administering NARCAN. Your bleeding heart liberal peers will keep them alive and addicted. They'll feed them and keep them high. Too much business and power in it.

It's a good thing I retired. I'd have refused to save one of them.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-06   21:44:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)

There would not be "drug felons" if the 'war' ended. Pure addictive drugs should be sold at cost by druggists to encourage overdoses. Then you wouldnt have to "FUND them to live" and addicts could die happy, -- not in jail.

It'd be cheaper for everyone concerned.

Are you kidding? Just before I retired, they were talking about training officers in administering NARCAN. Your bleeding heart liberal peers will keep them alive and addicted.

No, it sounds like you bleeding heart pussy cops would obey the liberals, and would do that.

They'll feed them and keep them high. Too much business and power in it.

Yep, cops who fail to obey their constitutional oaths are a big part of the problem.

It's a good thing I retired. I'd have refused to save one of them.

Ya sure, you're quite the rebel...

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