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Title: Breaking: U.S. Supreme Court will rule on gay ‘marriage’ issue
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Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: Ben Johnson
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:00:11 by redleghunter
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After more than a decade of legal wrangling and a burst of judicial activism that overturned the will of the voters in dozens of states, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to rule on whether same-sex “marriage” is an unalienable constitutional right. Justices announced Friday that they had consolidated four cases from the states of Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky, scheduling two hearings for April. According to the Court's document, the first 90-minute session will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?” The second session, scheduled to last one hour, will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?” The move comes after the High Court declined to hear a series of appeals in October, leaving states where judges had redefined marriage without legal recourse. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hinted at a public hearing that justices could weigh in on the issue if lower court rulings began to conflict. In November, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Ohio, upheld the constitutionality of constitutional marriage protection amendments in four states – the four states where the justices agreed to hear appeals on Friday. Court watchers expect a ruling before the end of the court's term in late June. Poster Comment: The X Amendment vs. the XIV Amendment.
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#73. To: Vicomte13 (#72)
Because the people of the country have given themselves over to evil. In for a penny, in for a pound. But an answer to your question is that the State only deals in matters of the secular physical world and only that portion of which is within its boundaries, except for traeties with other foreign states. There is no concept of sin in the secular world of government just laws that govern the here and now. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
Excellent historical summary and comparison. Only comment: I believe the tribe of Simeon sojourned in the land allotted to Judah. I also believe that small amounts of each tribe emigrated to Judah when Jeroboum went off the rails. All of which with the Temple Levites considered as Judah.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
It evolved over time, just as the power of POTUS and that of Congress. No-one on On day one of the new U.S. government per the Constitution, least of all Washington, John Jay, Adams, etc. None really knew how it was all going to work. They jockeyed for position while trying to avoid precipating a Constitutional crisis. The manuvering by Madison and Hamilton are the stuff of legends. Jefferson was probably one of the slickest of all before and during his presidency. Many believed that he violated the U.S. Consitution on more than one occasion, not the least of which being the Louisiana Purchase. So the balance of power between the three Branches of government was in flux and up for grabs from virtually day one of the Republic. Basically each branch staked claims and if no-one challenged it it was theirs.
Anything but marital relations between a man and woman is sexual immorality. Matthew 19: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Then again what right does the federal government have in sticking their nose in States rights? X Amendment in particular?
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
And horrible things happened to those cultures. Wonder why?....
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Tell that to SCOTUS.
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
I agree. Listener (hope he comes here) has much to say on states rights and the marriage issue.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Amen.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Tell that to ISIS.
So the balance of power between the three Branches of government was in flux and up for grabs from virtually day one of the Republic. Basically each branch staked claims and if no-one challenged it it was theirs. That sounds like a reasonable explanation of what happened. But I'm a letter of the law type guy. Especially the constitution. I want it to be followed EXACTLY as it is written. If not I'm probably going to complain. Not that it will make any difference to the PTB. If the constitution is inadequate they should amend it and change it lawfully. That way our overlords obey the law and then we serfs can too. But when they make stuff up. Why should we obey?
What about the children. Do they matter in this queer pretend marriage debate. I don't think no queers should be adopting no kids. Would it have been ok with you to have been raised by two homosexual men. Say if something happened to your parents when you were a 10 year old kid?
If Roe vs. Wade is overturned and remanded to the States, the first state to abolish abortion will be Texas. Texas will become the American remnant for a time.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
They should just go ahead and outlaw it. Ignore the feds. What are the Feds going to do go in there and force the abortions? Time for a showdown. Stand up to evil.
You can look it up if you choose. But all 50 states in their constitutions invoke God: "Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
I want it to be followed EXACTLY as it is written. For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document that is open to interpretation - kind of like the Bible if you have been following that thread. "If the constitution is inadequate they should amend it and change it lawfully." Personally I would be deathly afraid on a Constitutional Convention - I don't trust "they". But I do not have a prescription on how to get us back on track with the vision that our Founding Fathers had. Perhaps we can't and just will have to ride the social evolution train.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the BLESSINGS What does it mean to be blessed? That sounds to me like they are calling out to God. Also since the Declaration of Independance was superior and trumped British Law it also trumps the constitution if we choose to invoke it or something similar.
And why has that been happening? We haven't been wiped out yet.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
------------------------------------------- Right! And the apparent increase in homosexuality along with both increase in acceptance of homosexuality to the point where acceptance is now imposed are among the worst of those terrible things.
Some of it might be. But other parts are crystal clear. Like when it says "no law"
There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion. You can look it up if you choose. But all 50 states in their constitutions invoke God: Sadly that word did not make it into the Law of the Land - not that it could not have been worked into the Constitution if the representatives to the Constitutional Convention wanted it so and/or the states that ratified it wanted so. It's late, guys. I bid you a good night.
It would be like playing one spin at roulette in vegas and hoping you win.
I am inclined to say that some cases the problem is one of enforcement, specifically with the will to enforce and the absence of people to demand it from their elected officials.
Well states like Texas, Georgia and Alabama tried quite a few times and the SCOTUS shot it down. Texas was able to pass scrutiny over a health mandate which virtually closed all abortion clinics in the state save a handful. That's tied up in several suits now. The law basically stated, for women's health concerns, that all abortion clinics must have personnel who can admit women to a hospital in the event of the medical need. That slammed shut most of the clinics here.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Yes, and it was meant to be. Any laws were meant to be in the hands of the locals.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The Declaration of Independence is our nation's defining philosophical treatise. The Constitution the basis of our laws. We have a severe disconnect these days between what defined our nation's spirit and what filthy body we chose to live in.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Not to mention HIV/AIDS.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
I only clean up messes in Aisle 3 you're responsible for the rest.
Here try these. It's just like posting a picture. If you need help PM me.
That Americans have chosen to ignore God in their pretty little political setup does not mean that God will ignore them. Flesh is grass and words are wind, but God's Word endures forever, He will not be mocked, and all of the nukes in the arsenal will not reach the gates of Heaven. We do as we choose, for a time. Then our biology kills us and we are judged according to an objective set of standards that we did not choose and cannot change. We've chosen as a nation to formally forget that. Which means that we're doomed. It is only a matter of time.
Roe v. Wade should be overturned, but abortion law should not be remanded to the states. Rather, it should be overturned on the grounds that no man's life shall be taken with official sanction without presentment of the evidence and a trial. Babies in the womb are innocent: there is no evidence and no trial is possible. Therefore, abortion is banned absolutely, because people have the fundamental right to live without being killed unless they have committed a crime. The states have no power to overturn the basic right to life. That is how it should be struck down. Now the truth: we're trying to reform Sodom and Gomorrah. It's not possible. God tarried four centuries before he sent in the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites, for the full measure of the evils of the Amorites was not yet fulfilled. But once it was fulfilled, the wages of sin was the mass death of the entire civilization. God will not be mocked.
They're murderers who deny the identity of God. When men shed blood, God has commanded men to shed their blood. We are commanded by God to kill Isis members because they shed human blood. Punishment for THAT PARTICULAR SIN was delegated to man to attend to. Punishment for sexual sin was only remanded to the Israelites within the Kingdom of Israel/Judah, and that state is gone forever. It is not our place to be hammering gays and heterosexuals for fornication. It IS our place to call it fornication and to not sanction it. If people don't want to rent rooms to unmarried couples, they don't have to. God never created races, and he never drew any sort of distinctions regarding marriage between ethnicities, other than in his Kingdom of Israel, which is gone. Therefore, the evil American laws prohibiting "miscegenation" are not comparable to laws that refuse to recognize fornication, bestiality and buggery as marriage. They are not the same thing, and never were. Moreover, men and women have the God-given right to choose one another as husband and wife, and they are so in the eyes of God, and therefore men do not have the right to thrust them outside and refuse to serve them because the men don't like the racial mix. That is a law of men standing against something that God has joined. Men have no right to racial discrimination laws like that, because they are legislating against God. By contrast, men DO have the right, under God, to legislate against recognition of things that God calls sins. Marriage is not a sin, and it IS a sin to punish people for marrying because of their race. But fornication and buggery ARE sins, and it is not a sin to refuse to recognize them as licit, but it IS a sin TO recognize them as licit, because they are not. In other words, our range of freedom to legislate is very small. In general, God did not give men the authority to dominate other men. When men do it, it's a sin. ISIS dominates and kills men. They have no right to do it. It's a sin. In the case of the particular sin of killing people, God commands that the blood of the killers be shed BY men - so we are commanded to do something about it. It is a sin to kill. It is not a sin to kill killers, it is, rather, a commandment.
Horrible things have been happening since the beginning: slavery and genocide. And we very much suffer today for those sins of the past, because we cannot break free of them.
Well, that's it. If you look in Kings and see what God said when he divided Judah from Israel, he said that he was leaving only two tribes to Judah: Judah and Benajmin. Now, if we think about it, that's not exactly right, for the Levites were all over Israel, and then there was the case of Simeon. However, we have to remember something about Simeon and Levi: they were special cases, both of them, because they were the ones who went on the murderous tear over their sister's rape. Dinah was raped by a Canaanite, you may recall, but the boy did love her and Israel (Jacob) and the boy's father were ready to make it right, by the payment of dowry and proper marriage. Note that this was precisely the process laid out by God in the Torah for the deflowering of a virgin: the man who deflowered her had to pay the father the bride price and the father could decide whether or not to let the man have the girl. In this case, it's made clear that Israel and the father did agree that Dinah and the boy could indeed marry and be together, because although the act was bad the love was genuine. And so it was agreed. The entire village of Canaanites even agreed to be circumcised, and did it! thereby becoming Israelites. But Levi and Simeon filled with their own wrath became mass murderers and exacted their own vengeance, going in while all of these men were recovering from their circumcision and slaughtering them all. For this, Israel was horrified and mortified, saying that by their evil deed, Levi and Simeon had made Israel stink in the nose of all of its neighbors. He was not being rhetorical: Levi and Simeon were mass murderers and very evil. It was not forgotten either. Go to Israel's death, in Egypt, when he propesies the future of his sons, he specifically refers to Levi and to Simeon and their cruelty, and says taht for that they will be scattered in Israel. Of course that comes to pass. The Levites are given no land, but are scattered all over Israel as servants of the cult. And the Simeons are so small in number that they can't fill a full portion, so they are scattered within Judah. By the time we get to Kings, God speaks about how the Kingdom will be divided 10 and 2. This is a little disconcerting, because the math doesn't exactly add up. Ignoring the fact that the Levites are spread all over the place, in the Kingdom of Judah there were originally THREE tribes plus the Levites: Judah, Benjamin and Simeon. So the math would be 9 and 3. Or, if Simeon had disappeared completely into Judah, 8 and 3. The only way to get "10 and 2", with Judah and Benjamin in Judah, is to move Simeon to the Northern Kingdom...which Scripture doesn't say happened. In other words, this is one of the real contradictions of Scripture.
Thanks. I never know how to post pictures. I think I've been told, but I forget. If I need to post one, I'll PM you. Thanks again.
I want it to be followed EXACTLY as it is written. Yeah,and you ain't by yourself. I want it followed EXACTLY,even on issues that I am personally biased against. Neither MY individual freedoms or anyone else's individual freedoms are dependent on the approval of others,OR of our government. They existed by natural law BEFORE the US government was created,and our Founding Fathers recognized this and honored it in law. When this law quits working,America quits working,and America if FAR more important than any our our personal biases.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
AFAIK,no queer children are getting married. Neither are heterosexual children. Do they matter in this queer pretend marriage debate. No. They are not getting married. I don't think no queers should be adopting no kids. I don't either,but it doesn't matter what *I* personally like,or what you or anyone else personally likes. Homosexual Americans are still Americans,and they have ALL the rights the rest of us have. Anything else would be un-American. Besides,just because people are homosexuals,that doesn't mean they will sexually molest any children they adopt,and if they do,they will be arrested and put into prison just like the heterosexual parents of adopted children. "Equality" for everyone! What you and others like you need to get out of your head is the concept that all homosexuals are child molesters/rapists. This is no more,or less,true of homosexuals than it is heterosexuals. Once you drop that false premise,it will be a little easier for you to accept,even though you still won't personally approve of homosexual adoptions.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If we ever have another one,it will be the end of the country. The globalists will promise free I-Pads and housing for everyone that votes for them,and America will be over and done with. Which is why this country wasn't formed as a Democracy,and why voting was restricted to property owners.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think they were calling out to Allah. Or maybe "The Great Pumpkin".
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThen why hasn't the state banned abortion?
#74. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
#75. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Where does the supreme court get its power to decide if things are constitutional or not and to strike down laws.
#76. To: Zesta, Vicomte13 (#11)
Will you cite the scripture please? I have someone telling me that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
#77. To: SOSO (#13)
You know that I do not endorse the gay lifestyle. But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.
#78. To: SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc (#21)
Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[6]
#79. To: redleghunter (#77)
Then again what right does the federal government have in sticking their nose in States rights? X Amendment in particular?
#80. To: argo, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#67)
muslim liberals
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#81. To: redleghunter (#78)
And horrible things happened to those cultures. Wonder why?....
#82. To: SOSO, Listener, Vicomte13 (#79)
Tell that to SCOTUS.
#83. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
We are not given the authority to punish sin: vengeance belongs to the Lord. But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.
#84. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#83)
But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.
#85. To: SOSO (#75)
It evolved over time, just as the power of POTUS and that of Congress. No-one on On day one of the new U.S. government per the Constitution, least of all Washington, John Jay, Adams, etc. None really knew how it was all going to work. They jockeyed for position while trying to avoid precipating a Constitutional crisis. The manuvering by Madison and Hamilton are the stuff of legends. Jefferson was probably one of the slickest of all before and during his presidency. Many believed that he violated the U.S. Consitution on more than one occasion, not the least of which being the Louisiana Purchase.
#86. To: SOSO, sneakypete (#84)
#87. To: Vicomte13, SOSO (#72)
Then why hasn't the state banned abortion? Because the people of the country have given themselves over to evil.
#88. To: redleghunter (#87)
#89. To: SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc (#73)
There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#85)
That sounds like a reasonable explanation of what happened. But I'm a letter of the law type guy. Especially the constitution.
#91. To: SOSO (#73)
But an answer to your question is that the State only deals in matters of the secular physical world and only that portion of which is within its boundaries, except for traeties with other foreign states. There is no concept of sin in the secular world of government just laws that govern the here and now. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
#92. To: SOSO (#81)
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
#93. To: SOSO (#81)
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
#94. To: SOSO (#90)
For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document that is open to interpretation
#95. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, A K A Stone (#89)
#96. To: SOSO (#90)
Personally I would be deathly afraid on a Constitutional Convention
#97. To: A K A Stone (#94)
Like when it says "no law"
#98. To: A K A Stone (#88)
#99. To: SOSO (#90)
For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document
#100. To: A K A Stone (#91)
#101. To: rlk (#93)
#102. To: A K A Stone (#44)
#103. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
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Grinning Emoticon.
#104. To: SOSO (#73)
But an answer to your question is that the State only deals in matters of the secular physical world and only that portion of which is within its boundaries, except for traeties with other foreign states. There is no concept of sin in the secular world of government just laws that govern the here and now. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
#105. To: redleghunter (#87)
If Roe vs. Wade is overturned and remanded to the States,
#106. To: SOSO (#84)
Tell that to ISIS.
#107. To: SOSO (#81)
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades
#108. To: redleghunter (#74)
Only comment: I believe the tribe of Simeon sojourned in the land allotted to Judah. I also believe that small amounts of each tribe emigrated to Judah when Jeroboum went off the rails. All of which with the Temple Levites considered as Judah.
#109. To: Devil Anse (#103)
#110. To: A K A Stone (#85)
That sounds like a reasonable explanation of what happened. But I'm a letter of the law type guy. Especially the constitution.
#111. To: A K A Stone (#86)
What about the children.
#112. To: SOSO (#90)
Personally I would be deathly afraid on a Constitutional Convention
#113. To: A K A Stone (#91)
What does it mean to be blessed? That sounds to me like they are calling out to God.
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