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Title: Breaking: U.S. Supreme Court will rule on gay ‘marriage’ issue
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Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b ... ill-rule-on-gay-marriage-issue
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: Ben Johnson
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:00:11 by redleghunter
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Views: 66658
Comments: 155
After more than a decade of legal wrangling and a burst of judicial activism that overturned the will of the voters in dozens of states, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to rule on whether same-sex “marriage” is an unalienable constitutional right. Justices announced Friday that they had consolidated four cases from the states of Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky, scheduling two hearings for April. According to the Court's document, the first 90-minute session will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?” The second session, scheduled to last one hour, will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?” The move comes after the High Court declined to hear a series of appeals in October, leaving states where judges had redefined marriage without legal recourse. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hinted at a public hearing that justices could weigh in on the issue if lower court rulings began to conflict. In November, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Ohio, upheld the constitutionality of constitutional marriage protection amendments in four states – the four states where the justices agreed to hear appeals on Friday. Court watchers expect a ruling before the end of the court's term in late June. Poster Comment: The X Amendment vs. the XIV Amendment.
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#63. To: SOSO (#60)
Lets see there were states in 1777. The constitution didn't come about until 1789. So I guess that means that the Federal government did create the states since it came after the states. That makes sense. I mean when the states sent people who drew up the constitution. There was a time warp and what happened was actually before. I hope that clears it up.
Pesky old facts.
I didn't say that there weren't states prior to the Constitution. I said that the Consitution spells out what powers are for the Fed and what are for the states. In other what each can and cannot do. Now the states can in fact amend the Consitution if they so wish. What do you think the chances of geting 2/3 of both Houses agreeing on the wording of an Amendment and then getting 75% of the states approving the amendment these days? N.B. - The Federal gobernmente existed prior to the drafting and ratification of the Constitution, which at last check is still the law of the land. No time warp here. N.B. - With the passage of time the Federal gobernmente, with the full blessing of SCOTUS, has pulled more chips to its side of the table from the states. That's my story and I sticking with it.
Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage? The desire to not be utterly destroyed by God? Then why hasn't the state banned abortion?
everyone knows that anthony kennedy is a closet queer. he will side with the democrat muslim liberals to let the poop packers destroy our country. Is Anthony Kennedy 'the first gay justice'? http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/politics/scotus-kennedy/
Willful ignorance is tiresome. "It is worthy of remark, too, that these inhibitions generally restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the General Government, or in which the people of all the States feel an interest. A State is forbidden to enter into any treaty, alliance or confederation. If these compacts are with foreign nations, they interfere with the treaty-making power, which is conferred entirely on the General Government; if with each other, for political purposes, they can scarcely fail to interfere with the general purpose and intent of the Constitution. To grant letters of marque and reprisal, would lead directly to war, the power of declaring which is expressly given to Congress. To coin money is also the exercise of a power conferred on Congress. It would be tedious to recapitulate the several limitations on the powers of the States which are contained in this section. They will be found generally to restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the government of the Union, in which the citizens of all the States are interested. In these alone were the whole people concerned. The question of their application to States is not left to construction. It is averred in positive words."
I said that the Consitution spells out what powers are for the Fed and what are for the states. Willful ignorance is tiresome. Yes, it is. I will repeat for the last time then move on, the Federal government pre-existed the Consitution. The reality is that it was rperesentatives of the Federal government that manipulated the convening of the Continental Congress and under somewhat false pretenses. Many, if not most, of the delegates the the CoC had no idea what the real agenda, which was establised by the operatives of the Federal government, was, and this was by design by the organizers. For discussions puproses I will concede that the states formed the Federal government through the convening of the Continental Congress and the ratification of the AoC. But from that moment on the Fed had a life of its own with a very strong sense of self perservation. At that point, prior to the Consitutional Convention, the created became a very viable rival of the creator for supremacy. I leave it to you decide which has obtained the greatest weight of power over time, and, all with the blessings of SCOTUS. You call this static if you wish, it makes no difference to its veracity just to one's willful ignorance.
Willful ignorance
I will agree with you on that. A couple point though if you don't mind. Where does the supreme court get its power to decide if things are constitutional or not and to strike down laws. Perhaps it is necessary. But can you point out some legal authroity from the constitution?
Because the people of the country have given themselves over to evil.
Because the people of the country have given themselves over to evil. In for a penny, in for a pound. But an answer to your question is that the State only deals in matters of the secular physical world and only that portion of which is within its boundaries, except for traeties with other foreign states. There is no concept of sin in the secular world of government just laws that govern the here and now. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
Excellent historical summary and comparison. Only comment: I believe the tribe of Simeon sojourned in the land allotted to Judah. I also believe that small amounts of each tribe emigrated to Judah when Jeroboum went off the rails. All of which with the Temple Levites considered as Judah.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
It evolved over time, just as the power of POTUS and that of Congress. No-one on On day one of the new U.S. government per the Constitution, least of all Washington, John Jay, Adams, etc. None really knew how it was all going to work. They jockeyed for position while trying to avoid precipating a Constitutional crisis. The manuvering by Madison and Hamilton are the stuff of legends. Jefferson was probably one of the slickest of all before and during his presidency. Many believed that he violated the U.S. Consitution on more than one occasion, not the least of which being the Louisiana Purchase. So the balance of power between the three Branches of government was in flux and up for grabs from virtually day one of the Republic. Basically each branch staked claims and if no-one challenged it it was theirs.
Anything but marital relations between a man and woman is sexual immorality. Matthew 19: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Then again what right does the federal government have in sticking their nose in States rights? X Amendment in particular?
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
And horrible things happened to those cultures. Wonder why?....
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Tell that to SCOTUS.
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
I agree. Listener (hope he comes here) has much to say on states rights and the marriage issue.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Amen.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Tell that to ISIS.
So the balance of power between the three Branches of government was in flux and up for grabs from virtually day one of the Republic. Basically each branch staked claims and if no-one challenged it it was theirs. That sounds like a reasonable explanation of what happened. But I'm a letter of the law type guy. Especially the constitution. I want it to be followed EXACTLY as it is written. If not I'm probably going to complain. Not that it will make any difference to the PTB. If the constitution is inadequate they should amend it and change it lawfully. That way our overlords obey the law and then we serfs can too. But when they make stuff up. Why should we obey?
What about the children. Do they matter in this queer pretend marriage debate. I don't think no queers should be adopting no kids. Would it have been ok with you to have been raised by two homosexual men. Say if something happened to your parents when you were a 10 year old kid?
If Roe vs. Wade is overturned and remanded to the States, the first state to abolish abortion will be Texas. Texas will become the American remnant for a time.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
They should just go ahead and outlaw it. Ignore the feds. What are the Feds going to do go in there and force the abortions? Time for a showdown. Stand up to evil.
You can look it up if you choose. But all 50 states in their constitutions invoke God: "Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
I want it to be followed EXACTLY as it is written. For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document that is open to interpretation - kind of like the Bible if you have been following that thread. "If the constitution is inadequate they should amend it and change it lawfully." Personally I would be deathly afraid on a Constitutional Convention - I don't trust "they". But I do not have a prescription on how to get us back on track with the vision that our Founding Fathers had. Perhaps we can't and just will have to ride the social evolution train.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the BLESSINGS What does it mean to be blessed? That sounds to me like they are calling out to God. Also since the Declaration of Independance was superior and trumped British Law it also trumps the constitution if we choose to invoke it or something similar.
And why has that been happening? We haven't been wiped out yet.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
------------------------------------------- Right! And the apparent increase in homosexuality along with both increase in acceptance of homosexuality to the point where acceptance is now imposed are among the worst of those terrible things.
Some of it might be. But other parts are crystal clear. Like when it says "no law"
There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion. You can look it up if you choose. But all 50 states in their constitutions invoke God: Sadly that word did not make it into the Law of the Land - not that it could not have been worked into the Constitution if the representatives to the Constitutional Convention wanted it so and/or the states that ratified it wanted so. It's late, guys. I bid you a good night.
It would be like playing one spin at roulette in vegas and hoping you win.
I am inclined to say that some cases the problem is one of enforcement, specifically with the will to enforce and the absence of people to demand it from their elected officials.
Well states like Texas, Georgia and Alabama tried quite a few times and the SCOTUS shot it down. Texas was able to pass scrutiny over a health mandate which virtually closed all abortion clinics in the state save a handful. That's tied up in several suits now. The law basically stated, for women's health concerns, that all abortion clinics must have personnel who can admit women to a hospital in the event of the medical need. That slammed shut most of the clinics here.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Yes, and it was meant to be. Any laws were meant to be in the hands of the locals.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The Declaration of Independence is our nation's defining philosophical treatise. The Constitution the basis of our laws. We have a severe disconnect these days between what defined our nation's spirit and what filthy body we chose to live in.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Not to mention HIV/AIDS.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
I only clean up messes in Aisle 3 you're responsible for the rest.
Here try these. It's just like posting a picture. If you need help PM me.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe disagreements delayed final discussions of confederation until October of 1777. By then, the British capture of Philadelphia had made the issue more urgent. Delegates finally formulated the Articles of Confederation, in which they agreed to state-by-state voting and proportional state
#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)
There was a time warp and what happened was actually before.
#65. To: A K A Stone, palmdale. (#63)
So I guess that means that the Federal government did create the states since it came after the states. That makes sense.
#66. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
#67. To: redleghunter (#0)
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#68. To: SOSO (#65)
I said that the Consitution spells out what powers are for the Fed and what are for the states.
#69. To: Palmdale, A K A Stone (#68)
#70. To: SOSO (#69)
I will repeat for the last time then move on, the Federal government pre-existed the Consitution.
#71. To: SOSO (#69)
At that point, prior to the Consitutional Convention, the created became a very viable rival of the creator for supremacy. I leave it to you decide which has obtained the greatest weight of power over time, and, all with the blessings of SCOTUS.
#72. To: SOSO (#66)
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Then why hasn't the state banned abortion?
#73. To: Vicomte13 (#72)
Then why hasn't the state banned abortion?
#74. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
#75. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Where does the supreme court get its power to decide if things are constitutional or not and to strike down laws.
#76. To: Zesta, Vicomte13 (#11)
Will you cite the scripture please? I have someone telling me that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
#77. To: SOSO (#13)
You know that I do not endorse the gay lifestyle. But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.
#78. To: SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc (#21)
Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[6]
#79. To: redleghunter (#77)
Then again what right does the federal government have in sticking their nose in States rights? X Amendment in particular?
#80. To: argo, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#67)
muslim liberals
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#81. To: redleghunter (#78)
And horrible things happened to those cultures. Wonder why?....
#82. To: SOSO, Listener, Vicomte13 (#79)
Tell that to SCOTUS.
#83. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
We are not given the authority to punish sin: vengeance belongs to the Lord. But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.
#84. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#83)
But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.
#85. To: SOSO (#75)
It evolved over time, just as the power of POTUS and that of Congress. No-one on On day one of the new U.S. government per the Constitution, least of all Washington, John Jay, Adams, etc. None really knew how it was all going to work. They jockeyed for position while trying to avoid precipating a Constitutional crisis. The manuvering by Madison and Hamilton are the stuff of legends. Jefferson was probably one of the slickest of all before and during his presidency. Many believed that he violated the U.S. Consitution on more than one occasion, not the least of which being the Louisiana Purchase.
#86. To: SOSO, sneakypete (#84)
#87. To: Vicomte13, SOSO (#72)
Then why hasn't the state banned abortion? Because the people of the country have given themselves over to evil.
#88. To: redleghunter (#87)
#89. To: SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc (#73)
There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#85)
That sounds like a reasonable explanation of what happened. But I'm a letter of the law type guy. Especially the constitution.
#91. To: SOSO (#73)
But an answer to your question is that the State only deals in matters of the secular physical world and only that portion of which is within its boundaries, except for traeties with other foreign states. There is no concept of sin in the secular world of government just laws that govern the here and now. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. There is no mention of morality either. In the U.S. the state is prohibited from endorsing any particular religion.
#92. To: SOSO (#81)
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
#93. To: SOSO (#81)
Horrible things have been happening in the U.S. for decades, all of which having nothing to do with gay marriage.
#94. To: SOSO (#90)
For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document that is open to interpretation
#95. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, A K A Stone (#89)
#96. To: SOSO (#90)
Personally I would be deathly afraid on a Constitutional Convention
#97. To: A K A Stone (#94)
Like when it says "no law"
#98. To: A K A Stone (#88)
#99. To: SOSO (#90)
For the Law of the Land the Consitution is a sparse document
#100. To: A K A Stone (#91)
#101. To: rlk (#93)
#102. To: A K A Stone (#44)
#103. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
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