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Title: Breaking: U.S. Supreme Court will rule on gay ‘marriage’ issue
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b ... ill-rule-on-gay-marriage-issue
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: Ben Johnson
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:00:11 by redleghunter
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Views: 66443
Comments: 155

After more than a decade of legal wrangling and a burst of judicial activism that overturned the will of the voters in dozens of states, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to rule on whether same-sex “marriage” is an unalienable constitutional right.

Justices announced Friday that they had consolidated four cases from the states of Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky, scheduling two hearings for April.

According to the Court's document, the first 90-minute session will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?” The second session, scheduled to last one hour, will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?”

The move comes after the High Court declined to hear a series of appeals in October, leaving states where judges had redefined marriage without legal recourse. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hinted at a public hearing that justices could weigh in on the issue if lower court rulings began to conflict.

In November, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Ohio, upheld the constitutionality of constitutional marriage protection amendments in four states – the four states where the justices agreed to hear appeals on Friday.

Court watchers expect a ruling before the end of the court's term in late June.

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#13. To: redleghunter, GarySpFC (#3)

They will cave and take more states rights away.

I thought we had 4 or 5 Catholics on the court. Bad investment.

You know that I do not endorse the gay lifestyle. But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have. I hope that you realize that every marriage that is recognized by the state is de facto nothing more than a civil union, even marriages perfomed by churches or other religious institutions. It is only the religious institutions that add an extra dimension to that state sanctioned civil union according to the beliefs of the respective religion, which do not in any way limit or enhance recognition of the legality and/or rights and privileges of the state sanctioned civil union.

In other words, in the eyes of the state all civil unions are equal whether performed by the secular or the religious, except those that are expressly denied by the state (e.g. - polygamy). And what is the basis for the state banning polygamy?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   14:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Zesta (#11)

Jesus said nothing about homosexuality

This may be what you are looking for;

https://six11.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/scripture-and-homosexuality-what-jesus-said-and-did/

yukon  posted on  2015-01-17   15:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SOSO (#13)

But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   15:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SOSO (#13)

basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.

Why can't Kobe Bryant play in the womens basketball league?

Why should the government be able to redefine meanings of words?

No where in the history of man has men married men. Or vice versa. Why because that is like saying 4 + 1 = 14342352356343345

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   16:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: SOSO (#13)

In other words, in the eyes of the state all civil unions are equal whether performed by the secular or

No problem then. Normal people can get married you know men and women.

Same sex freaks can go to the court and get an power of attorney basically.

Problem solved.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   16:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Palmdale (#15)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Of course it is. Please re-read it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SOSO (#18)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rufus T Firefly (#9)

The only thing left is to elect a horse to the US Senate.

Oh wait - there's the junior senator from Massachusetts. I forgot about her. Nevermind.

Grinning Emoticon.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)

That does not appear to an accurate statement. I don't recommend that wikipedia bt taken as a definitive source on any subject but it is a useful place to start if additional research is desired.

"Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage.[1]

A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia, [3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[6]

In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[7] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[8]"

But even if there wasn't historical precedents for state sanctioned gay unions, so what. This can be said about a number of things in the history of man.

"Why should the government be able to redefine meanings of words?"

Should society be allowed to do so? It happens all the time, e.g. - just look at what the widely accpeted definition of the word gay meant 50 years ago vs. today. But to your point, to what words are you referring?

"Why can't Kobe Bryant play in the womens basketball league?"

I am certain that you know the answer to that question as it relates to this thread. It's not because he is gay. Neither can Jason Collins. Both are being treated equally within the framework of the rules.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

Technically the states did not create the Constitution the states just ratified it. It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#17)

No problem then. Normal people can get married you know men and women.

Same sex freaks can go to the court and get an power of attorney basically.

Problem solved.

Not really. The gay community claims that it should have to go an extra mile that straights are not required to do. IMO they have a very valid point.

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zesta (#11)

It's on the last page of the Bible:

Revelation 21:7-8 - "He that overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But cowards, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murderers, and the sexually immoral (porneis), and druggers (pharmakeia), and idolators, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Revelation 22:12-15 "'See, I come swiftly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according to his deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.' Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city, for outside are dogs, and druggers (pharmakon), and the sexually immoral (porneis), and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie."

And note well, this is not Paul talking about Jesus. This is Jesus, in glory, in heaven, and having the LAST WORD on all of it, on the last page of the Scripture.

So, anybody who disagrees with a word of any of that: the fact that men are judged by Jesus for their DEEDS (and not simply their beliefs), or that sexual immorality of whatever sort is not a mortal sin, is wrong.

No argument is possible. There are parts of the Scriptures before this that open all sorts of questions, but this is Jesus himself, resurrected and enthroned, having the LAST WORD on all of it, and slamming shut the book. These are the final words of God on the matter, the world is bound to all of them, and whoever disagrees with any of it is wrong.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

It's disgusting and unnatural?

yukon  posted on  2015-01-17   17:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

The desire to not be utterly destroyed by God?

The desire of the legislators not to be thrown into the fire at their judgment?

The desire to represent the will of the majority of their constituents, who don't want their state to be destroyed by God?

Those seem pretty compelling reasons to me.

The issue really isn't the homosexuality as such. Sexual sin is sexual sin. Doesn't matter if boys are doing boys, or boys are doing girls - fornication is also sexual immorality.

The issue is the official sanction of it, the granting of formal legal status and rights to a sin. For with recognition comes laws that punish discrimination against what is, in fact, an abomination before the Lord. Moreover, with legalization comes Social Security benefits, and the right to not be discriminated against in taking children under the care of the known sexual immoral.

Very bad things.

The proper answer in a free country is: sin as you please, sexually. But there shall be no state sanction of it, no recognition, no marriage, no privileged status, no social benefits. We're tolerating the evil legally, just as we tolerate fornication out of wedlock and private pornography.

We are not given the authority to punish sin: vengeance belongs to the Lord. But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.

Those are the reasons.

Evil will triumph. But then, this country already murders 2 million babies a year, so it's damned already. Leaving the dog to its vomit, the sow to its mire and letting the sins and filth proliferate in preparation for judgment and destruction: this has always been God's pattern with nations that he intends to wipe from the world in a bloody smear of horror, as an example to the rest.

"And when all of this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins; as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the Gods of the Copybook Headings, with terror and slaughter, return." - Kipling

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SOSO (#22)

It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

With people sent by the states to do it.

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: yukon (#25)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

It's disgusting and unnatural?

Whether you and I believe that is not the point. So are many things, let's not go there please. You need to elaborate a bit more as this is not a complelling case that could stand Constitutional muster in the courts. Is there anyone in ear (eye) shot that believes SCOTUS will not ban states from banning gay marriage and in essence strike down DOMA?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

Because they are not delegated to change the meaning of words.

They are also prohibited by the first amendment.

They are prohibiting the free exercise of religion by forcing society to accept something that isn't.

It is kind of like the government saying men are now women and women are now men. Can you name the states comeplling reason to say that men are now women and women are now men? I know it is stupid but not as stupid as pretending two men are married and trying to force normal people to go along with it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution. With people sent by the states to do it."

Let's not get Obamaesque about this and say that God created the Consitution or that the electorate created it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SOSO (#30)

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Because technically they were there to amend the articles of confederation. Instead they made the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SOSO (#18)

Of course it is. Please re-read it.

State powers preexisted the Constitution, which is a limited delegation of those preexisting powers to the federal government.

Read a book.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   17:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

Because they are not delegated to change the meaning of words.

To exactly what words are you referring? Certainly not marriage as that word doesn't appear in the Constitution. BTW, neither do the words men and women.

"They are prohibiting the free exercise of religion by forcing society to accept something that isn't."

Exactly how? I am not aware that the State is forcing religious institutions to perform or even sanction gay marriage. If anything the state is saying that religious institutions need to treat gay marriages the same way it treats any marriage that was sanctioned by the state that were outside of the institution's religious ceremony.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#30)

But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the Constitution of the United States was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen who then watched over the interests of our country deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the Constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the General Government -- not against those of the local governments. In compliance with a sentiment thus generally expressed, to quiet fears thus extensively entertained, amendments were proposed by the required majority in Congress and adopted by the States. These amendments contain no expression indicating an intention to apply them to the State governments."

https://supr em e.justia.com/cases/federal/us/32/243/case.html

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Palmdale (#32)

Done so many times. Here is what it says in Article 1 Section 10:

"Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

I trust that this resolves our disagreement.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SOSO (#33)

I am not aware that the State is forcing religious institutions to perform or even sanction gay marriage.

Federal district court judges are forcing states and their electorates to sanction gay marriage.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: SOSO (#33)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale (#34)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#37)

If I was a preacher. I would put a bullet in their head before I married them. Just saying.

Well, you would be breaking the law.....unless perhaps if you were in a Make My Day state:)

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#37)

I'm not a preacher so that is only theoretical. :)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: SOSO (#35)

Here is what it says in Article 1 Section 10:

Exactly! Article 1 Section 10, NOT the Bill of Rights. Again, from the Supreme Court:

"It is worthy of remark, too, that these inhibitions generally restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the General Government, or in which the people of all the States feel an interest. A State is forbidden to enter into any treaty, alliance or confederation. If these compacts are with foreign nations, they interfere with the treaty-making power, which is conferred entirely on the General Government; if with each other, for political purposes, they can scarcely fail to interfere with the general purpose and intent of the Constitution. To grant letters of marque and reprisal, would lead directly to war, the power of declaring which is expressly given to Congress. To coin money is also the exercise of a power conferred on Congress. It would be tedious to recapitulate the several limitations on the powers of the States which are contained in this section. They will be found generally to restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the government of the Union, in which the citizens of all the States are interested. In these alone were the whole people concerned. The question of their application to States is not left to construction. It is averred in positive words."

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SOSO (#38)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SOSO (#39)

Well, you would be breaking the law.....unless perhaps if you were in a Make My Day state:)

It could be considered an act of self defense. ;)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Devil Anse (#43)

I've been a bad boy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Palmdale (#36)

Federal district court judges are forcing states and their electorates to sanction gay marriage.

We need to agree on the meaning of words here.

From Mirian-Webster:

"sanc·tion noun ÈsaK(k)-shYn : an action that is taken or an order that is given to force a country to obey international laws by limiting or stopping trade with that country, by not allowing economic aid for that country, etc.

: official permission or approval"

It would seem that the second meaning is on point.

I wouldn't say sanction then but rather acceptance as being legal in the general society - closer to the permission definition of the word sanction. That is a difference with a real distinction. There are a whole bunch of things that states must accept as being legal without having to sanction them. Do we need to recount the whole civil rights movement, particularly some states' ban on interracial marriages?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Palmdale (#42)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Then please educate me.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#43)

It could be considered an act of self defense. ;)

Ah, you were just protecting your Johnsons. Well, OK then.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Palmdale (#41)

This has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. this was part of the original text that was sent out to the states to ratified. that text did not include the Bill of Rights, The BoR was added later. So right from the gitgo the Constitution was in fact the basis for state and municipal powers.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SOSO (#48)

So right from the gitgo the Constitution was in fact the basis for state and municipal powers.

You seem a little confused.

Let me ask you a question. This may clear it up.

Who was the first President of the United States?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: SOSO (#45)

sanc·tion noun ÈsaK(k)-shYn

A verb is not a noun.

SANC'TION, v.t. To ratify; to confirm; to give validity or authority to.

http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/sanction

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: SOSO (#48)

This has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. this was part of the original text that was sent out to the states to ratified. that text did not include the Bill of Rights, The BoR was added later. So right from the gitgo the Constitution was in fact the basis for state and municipal powers.

Non sequitur.

To refresh your memory:

"But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the Constitution of the United States was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen who then watched over the interests of our country deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the Constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the General Government -- not against those of the local governments. In compliance with a sentiment thus generally expressed, to quiet fears thus extensively entertained, amendments were proposed by the required majority in Congress and adopted by the States. These amendments contain no expression indicating an intention to apply them to the State governments."

You may also consider that part of the education you requested.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Who was the first President of the United States?

It is fascinating how many of these self-proclaimed experts on the Constitution think it established a national government rather than a federal government.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Palmdale (#46)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Then please educate me.

I will help you out. Here is what I know about why the Constitutional Convention came about:

Constitutional Convention, (1787), in U.S. history, convention that drew up the Constitution of the United States. Stimulated by severe economic troubles, which produced radical political movements such as Shays’s Rebellion, and urged on by a demand for a stronger central government, the convention met in the Pennsylvania State House in Philadelphia (May 25– September 17, 1787), ostensibly to amend the Articles of Confederation. All the states except Rhode Island responded to an invitation issued by the Annapolis Convention of 1786 to send delegates. Of the 74 deputies chosen by the state legislatures, only 55 took part in the proceedings; of these, 39 signed the Constitution. The delegates included many of the leading figures of the period. Among them were George Washington, who was elected to preside, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, James Wilson, John Rutledge, Charles Pinckney, Oliver Ellsworth, and Gouverneur Morris.

Discarding the idea of amending the Articles of Confederation, the assembly set about drawing up a new scheme of government but found itself divided, delegates from small states (those without claims to unoccupied western lands) opposing those from large states over the apportionment of representation. Edmund Randolph offered a plan known as the Virginia, or large state, plan, which provided for a bicameral legislature with representation of each state based on its population or wealth. William Paterson proposed the New Jersey, or small state, plan, which provided for equal representation in Congress. Neither the large nor the small states would yield. Oliver Ellsworth and Roger Sherman, among others, in what is sometimes called the Connecticut, or Great, Compromise, proposed a bicameral legislature with proportional representation in the lower house and equal representation of the states in the upper house. All revenue measures would originate in the lower house. That compromise was approved July 16.

The matter of counting slaves in the population for figuring representation was settled by a compromise agreement that three-fifths of the slaves should be counted as population in apportioning representation and should also be counted as property in assessing taxes. Controversy over the abolition of the importation of slaves ended with the agreement that importation should not be forbidden before 1808. The powers of the federal executive and judiciary were enumerated, and the Constitution was itself declared to be the “supreme law of the land.” The convention’s work was approved by a majority of the states the following year.

In other words, the country was failing under the Articles of Confederation primarily because the Federal govenrment as established by the AoC was too weak to effectively govern the Republic. It was widely recognized that the Federal government needed more central powers if the Republic was to survive. The Constitutional Convention was convened to correct the short comings of the AoC in that regard.

You may try to prove this understanding wrong if you wish. I will listen and be open to changing my understading if you have the facts to justify such.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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