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Title: Breaking: U.S. Supreme Court will rule on gay ‘marriage’ issue
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b ... ill-rule-on-gay-marriage-issue
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: Ben Johnson
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:00:11 by redleghunter
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Views: 66263
Comments: 155

After more than a decade of legal wrangling and a burst of judicial activism that overturned the will of the voters in dozens of states, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to rule on whether same-sex “marriage” is an unalienable constitutional right.

Justices announced Friday that they had consolidated four cases from the states of Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky, scheduling two hearings for April.

According to the Court's document, the first 90-minute session will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?” The second session, scheduled to last one hour, will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?”

The move comes after the High Court declined to hear a series of appeals in October, leaving states where judges had redefined marriage without legal recourse. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hinted at a public hearing that justices could weigh in on the issue if lower court rulings began to conflict.

In November, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Ohio, upheld the constitutionality of constitutional marriage protection amendments in four states – the four states where the justices agreed to hear appeals on Friday.

Court watchers expect a ruling before the end of the court's term in late June.

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#5. To: rlk, GarySpFc (#4)

Undoubtedly the issue of the fundamental pathology underwriting such marriages will not be considered. Is will be boiled down to a matter of constitutional rights and other specious arguments rather than the court's power to approve of, and impose, serious psychopathology.

Indeed.

And a correction to my last post. There are 6 Roman Catholics on SCOTUS bench. That's including the "wise latina."

The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-17   1:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: redleghunter (#5)

There are 6 Roman northeast liberal Catholics on SCOTUS bench.

More accurate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-17   4:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter (#0)

This is a very good time for people to re-read Kings and Chronicles, and note especially the fate of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. They went off the rails on one thing, and that led to another and another and another. Eventually God used the Assyrians, who were completely brutal, to utterly exterminate them.

When God sent the Babylonians to destroy Judah, which was also pretty bad, he preserved a remnant of Judah intact as the Jews of the Exile, in Babylon, but he preserved nothing of the Northern 10 tribes. There was no remnant. Israel was completely wiped out, and the link back to Moses and Abraham, and forward to post-Exilic Judah, was broken, the ties annhilated utterly.

And what was the sin of the Northern Kingdom? They set up their own altar. They performed the rites of the Torah on that altar, and followed the law, at first, and had local Levites and priests do it, at first.

But God had commanded ONE place of sacrifice, at Jerusalem. Not two. Not three. And he had commanded that the priests at the altar were to be entirely drawn from the lineage of Aaron, and not anybody else, for any reason. God did not permit any substitutions, or any second altar.

It was God who broke Solomon's Kingdom of Israel into two, and it was God who appointed the King who would break off the Northern Ten Tribes. The split of the Kingdom was ordained by God. But it was the political considerations of the God-anointed King of Israel, his concern that if the altar and religious rite were exclusively at Jerusalem, that the loyalty of the Israelites of the Northern Kingdom would gradually drift back to Judah, from the fact of making pilgrimages there. Also, that the wealth of Israel would be siphoned off into Judah through the Temple taxes. That was the reason WHY Jeroboam set up an altar in Israel - it was because he and his advisors, including Levites who stayed on, thought it was necessary to preserve the political independence of their state and prevent the divided loyalties of their people.

But God said one altar, in Jerusalem, not two. And God did not change his mind. Through Prophets he warned the Israelites - 5/6ths of the Chosen People - and he warned the King that He himself had anointed. But the reasons of state seemed so overwhelming to Jeroboam and to the Israelites that they did not listen. They kept their altars and did the same things on them that were done in Jerusalem, a mirror image.

And so God annhilated forever 10/12th of the Chosen People, unchose them, and wiped them from the map of the world by the most violent and barbaric of all of the peoples of the Middle East. Completely exterminating Israel forever.

Yes, from that initial departure, Israel then did greater and greater sin, and God saw all of that sin, but it was not those sins that God sent Prophets to harp on the Israelites. Rather, God aimed directly at the root every time: I command you to have one altar. It will be in your enemy's country, and your people will serve at that altar, and pay taxes to that Temple.

Yes, that will mean that the enemy's kingdom is strengthened and yours is weakened, and that your people will have affection for their King.

My religion and Temple is more important than your state, your political independence, your economic welfare. Your great state will indeed be, in the sense you say, always subordinated in a sense to your rival state, because your religion will always be in his land, and your people will go there. What you say is true about their hearts therefore being attuned to Jerusalem, and not to you. Over time, this may very well mean that your state is lost, and that your people go back over to Judah and reunite with them. I split you off from them because of the sins of the King of Judah. Had he not committed those sins, there would have been no religion.

You have a kingdom because I gave you one. Your first duty is to serve me, and follow all of my statutes. You are independent, but you are dependent for your religious sacrifices on a Temple and priesthood and altar in a foreign land, and you will never be free of that. Submit, therefore, to your subordination on these matters: I am the Lord.

That was the effect of God's message. Israel said no. So God annhilated Israel and left no remnant of it. Judah was rebuilt, but Israel cannot be, because the Northern Tribes are extinct. Sure, their heirs of the body still exist. The Samaritans were (and still are) probably partly the heirs of the body of the Tribes of Israel. Irrelevant. The religious link was broken, the continuity, severed, the rites ended. Forever. Only two or three tribes survived intact: Judah, Benjamin, the portion of Simeon that had been settled in Judah, and the portion of the Levites who were settled in Judah. To the extent that refugees of Naphthali, Ephraim, Asher, Mannasseh, Dan, Gad, Reuben and Zebulun migrated into Judah either at the split of the Kingdom or as refugees from the Assyrians, remnants of the people of those tribes remained, but they were incorporated into the other tribes, just as Simeon had ceased to exist by name by the time of Judah's exile, and had simply become part of Judah.

So, the DNA of some of the tribes survived, but then, the DNA of the Canaanites was in the bloodline of David (through Rahab the Harlot). That's meaningless. The Bible does not speak of DNA, it speaks of tribes, and all of the tribes except Judah, Benjamin and a portion of Levi were utterly extinct by the time of the exile, never to return to the earth.

And all because the God-anointed King of Israel felt the need to set up a parallel altar, for reasons of state.

Some will say that this history lesson is a religious imposition on a political thread. Nope. It's an explanation for the progressive death or America, and the progressive death of Europe before it. It is a mirror, polished by God, to illuminate the folly of men of state over the ages in chosing the short term expedient of the logic of state and politics over the commandments of God.

Jesus said, twice on the last two pages of Scripture, that the sexually immoral fail judgment and are thrown into the fire at judgment. One can be forgiven, but to be forgiven one must admit the wrong and forgive others. Our men of state are making it wrong to call a wrong a wrong.

America is doomed, and deserves to be.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   8:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#1)

When they visited this the last time there was a lot of buzz over it and I don't think they had their ducks all in a row yet either. Now that things have calmed down some I think you will see a more in depth ruling on the subject.

As far as I'm concerned they should leave it up to each individual state legislature to decide for themselves and overrule all of the activist judges rulings that forced states into accepting it unwillingly.

Or they could just throw out Homo marriage altogether and just make it Civil Unions nationwide, no ifs, ands, or buts!!!!

So I'm saying I have no earthly idea on how they plan to rule but if history is any indicator of what will happen then I predict the country will receive a gigantic enema.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-17   9:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

America is doomed, and deserves to be.

The only thing left is to elect a horse to the US Senate.

Oh wait - there's the junior senator from Massachusetts. I forgot about her. Nevermind.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-01-17   10:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter (#0)

the Fourteenth needs to be repealed making every law based on it null and void.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-01-17   13:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

Jesus said, twice on the last two pages of Scripture, that the sexually immoral fail judgment and are thrown into the fire at judgment.

Will you cite the scripture please? I have someone telling me that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.

Zesta  posted on  2015-01-17   14:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Zesta (#11)

I have someone telling me that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.

Romans Chapter 1 and 10 I think.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   14:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter, GarySpFC (#3)

They will cave and take more states rights away.

I thought we had 4 or 5 Catholics on the court. Bad investment.

You know that I do not endorse the gay lifestyle. But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have. I hope that you realize that every marriage that is recognized by the state is de facto nothing more than a civil union, even marriages perfomed by churches or other religious institutions. It is only the religious institutions that add an extra dimension to that state sanctioned civil union according to the beliefs of the respective religion, which do not in any way limit or enhance recognition of the legality and/or rights and privileges of the state sanctioned civil union.

In other words, in the eyes of the state all civil unions are equal whether performed by the secular or the religious, except those that are expressly denied by the state (e.g. - polygamy). And what is the basis for the state banning polygamy?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   14:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Zesta (#11)

Jesus said nothing about homosexuality

This may be what you are looking for;

https://six11.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/scripture-and-homosexuality-what-jesus-said-and-did/

yukon  posted on  2015-01-17   15:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SOSO (#13)

But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   15:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SOSO (#13)

basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.

Why can't Kobe Bryant play in the womens basketball league?

Why should the government be able to redefine meanings of words?

No where in the history of man has men married men. Or vice versa. Why because that is like saying 4 + 1 = 14342352356343345

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   16:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: SOSO (#13)

In other words, in the eyes of the state all civil unions are equal whether performed by the secular or

No problem then. Normal people can get married you know men and women.

Same sex freaks can go to the court and get an power of attorney basically.

Problem solved.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   16:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Palmdale (#15)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Of course it is. Please re-read it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SOSO (#18)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rufus T Firefly (#9)

The only thing left is to elect a horse to the US Senate.

Oh wait - there's the junior senator from Massachusetts. I forgot about her. Nevermind.

Grinning Emoticon.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)

That does not appear to an accurate statement. I don't recommend that wikipedia bt taken as a definitive source on any subject but it is a useful place to start if additional research is desired.

"Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage.[1]

A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia, [3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[6]

In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[7] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[8]"

But even if there wasn't historical precedents for state sanctioned gay unions, so what. This can be said about a number of things in the history of man.

"Why should the government be able to redefine meanings of words?"

Should society be allowed to do so? It happens all the time, e.g. - just look at what the widely accpeted definition of the word gay meant 50 years ago vs. today. But to your point, to what words are you referring?

"Why can't Kobe Bryant play in the womens basketball league?"

I am certain that you know the answer to that question as it relates to this thread. It's not because he is gay. Neither can Jason Collins. Both are being treated equally within the framework of the rules.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

Technically the states did not create the Constitution the states just ratified it. It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#17)

No problem then. Normal people can get married you know men and women.

Same sex freaks can go to the court and get an power of attorney basically.

Problem solved.

Not really. The gay community claims that it should have to go an extra mile that straights are not required to do. IMO they have a very valid point.

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zesta (#11)

It's on the last page of the Bible:

Revelation 21:7-8 - "He that overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But cowards, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murderers, and the sexually immoral (porneis), and druggers (pharmakeia), and idolators, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Revelation 22:12-15 "'See, I come swiftly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according to his deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.' Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city, for outside are dogs, and druggers (pharmakon), and the sexually immoral (porneis), and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie."

And note well, this is not Paul talking about Jesus. This is Jesus, in glory, in heaven, and having the LAST WORD on all of it, on the last page of the Scripture.

So, anybody who disagrees with a word of any of that: the fact that men are judged by Jesus for their DEEDS (and not simply their beliefs), or that sexual immorality of whatever sort is not a mortal sin, is wrong.

No argument is possible. There are parts of the Scriptures before this that open all sorts of questions, but this is Jesus himself, resurrected and enthroned, having the LAST WORD on all of it, and slamming shut the book. These are the final words of God on the matter, the world is bound to all of them, and whoever disagrees with any of it is wrong.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

It's disgusting and unnatural?

yukon  posted on  2015-01-17   17:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

The desire to not be utterly destroyed by God?

The desire of the legislators not to be thrown into the fire at their judgment?

The desire to represent the will of the majority of their constituents, who don't want their state to be destroyed by God?

Those seem pretty compelling reasons to me.

The issue really isn't the homosexuality as such. Sexual sin is sexual sin. Doesn't matter if boys are doing boys, or boys are doing girls - fornication is also sexual immorality.

The issue is the official sanction of it, the granting of formal legal status and rights to a sin. For with recognition comes laws that punish discrimination against what is, in fact, an abomination before the Lord. Moreover, with legalization comes Social Security benefits, and the right to not be discriminated against in taking children under the care of the known sexual immoral.

Very bad things.

The proper answer in a free country is: sin as you please, sexually. But there shall be no state sanction of it, no recognition, no marriage, no privileged status, no social benefits. We're tolerating the evil legally, just as we tolerate fornication out of wedlock and private pornography.

We are not given the authority to punish sin: vengeance belongs to the Lord. But we do not have the right to be SANCTIONING it and PRIVILEGING it either.

Those are the reasons.

Evil will triumph. But then, this country already murders 2 million babies a year, so it's damned already. Leaving the dog to its vomit, the sow to its mire and letting the sins and filth proliferate in preparation for judgment and destruction: this has always been God's pattern with nations that he intends to wipe from the world in a bloody smear of horror, as an example to the rest.

"And when all of this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins; as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the Gods of the Copybook Headings, with terror and slaughter, return." - Kipling

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-17   17:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SOSO (#22)

It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

With people sent by the states to do it.

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: yukon (#25)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

It's disgusting and unnatural?

Whether you and I believe that is not the point. So are many things, let's not go there please. You need to elaborate a bit more as this is not a complelling case that could stand Constitutional muster in the courts. Is there anyone in ear (eye) shot that believes SCOTUS will not ban states from banning gay marriage and in essence strike down DOMA?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#23)

Exactly what is the State's compelling reason to prohibit gay marriage?

Because they are not delegated to change the meaning of words.

They are also prohibited by the first amendment.

They are prohibiting the free exercise of religion by forcing society to accept something that isn't.

It is kind of like the government saying men are now women and women are now men. Can you name the states comeplling reason to say that men are now women and women are now men? I know it is stupid but not as stupid as pretending two men are married and trying to force normal people to go along with it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution. With people sent by the states to do it."

Let's not get Obamaesque about this and say that God created the Consitution or that the electorate created it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SOSO (#30)

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Because technically they were there to amend the articles of confederation. Instead they made the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SOSO (#18)

Of course it is. Please re-read it.

State powers preexisted the Constitution, which is a limited delegation of those preexisting powers to the federal government.

Read a book.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   17:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

Because they are not delegated to change the meaning of words.

To exactly what words are you referring? Certainly not marriage as that word doesn't appear in the Constitution. BTW, neither do the words men and women.

"They are prohibiting the free exercise of religion by forcing society to accept something that isn't."

Exactly how? I am not aware that the State is forcing religious institutions to perform or even sanction gay marriage. If anything the state is saying that religious institutions need to treat gay marriages the same way it treats any marriage that was sanctioned by the state that were outside of the institution's religious ceremony.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#30)

But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the Constitution of the United States was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen who then watched over the interests of our country deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the Constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the General Government -- not against those of the local governments. In compliance with a sentiment thus generally expressed, to quiet fears thus extensively entertained, amendments were proposed by the required majority in Congress and adopted by the States. These amendments contain no expression indicating an intention to apply them to the State governments."

https://supr em e.justia.com/cases/federal/us/32/243/case.html

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Palmdale (#32)

Done so many times. Here is what it says in Article 1 Section 10:

"Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

I trust that this resolves our disagreement.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SOSO (#33)

I am not aware that the State is forcing religious institutions to perform or even sanction gay marriage.

Federal district court judges are forcing states and their electorates to sanction gay marriage.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: SOSO (#33)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale (#34)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#37)

If I was a preacher. I would put a bullet in their head before I married them. Just saying.

Well, you would be breaking the law.....unless perhaps if you were in a Make My Day state:)

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#37)

I'm not a preacher so that is only theoretical. :)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: SOSO (#35)

Here is what it says in Article 1 Section 10:

Exactly! Article 1 Section 10, NOT the Bill of Rights. Again, from the Supreme Court:

"It is worthy of remark, too, that these inhibitions generally restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the General Government, or in which the people of all the States feel an interest. A State is forbidden to enter into any treaty, alliance or confederation. If these compacts are with foreign nations, they interfere with the treaty-making power, which is conferred entirely on the General Government; if with each other, for political purposes, they can scarcely fail to interfere with the general purpose and intent of the Constitution. To grant letters of marque and reprisal, would lead directly to war, the power of declaring which is expressly given to Congress. To coin money is also the exercise of a power conferred on Congress. It would be tedious to recapitulate the several limitations on the powers of the States which are contained in this section. They will be found generally to restrain State legislation on subjects intrusted to the government of the Union, in which the citizens of all the States are interested. In these alone were the whole people concerned. The question of their application to States is not left to construction. It is averred in positive words."

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SOSO (#38)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SOSO (#39)

Well, you would be breaking the law.....unless perhaps if you were in a Make My Day state:)

It could be considered an act of self defense. ;)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Devil Anse (#43)

I've been a bad boy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   18:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Palmdale (#36)

Federal district court judges are forcing states and their electorates to sanction gay marriage.

We need to agree on the meaning of words here.

From Mirian-Webster:

"sanc·tion noun ÈsaK(k)-shYn : an action that is taken or an order that is given to force a country to obey international laws by limiting or stopping trade with that country, by not allowing economic aid for that country, etc.

: official permission or approval"

It would seem that the second meaning is on point.

I wouldn't say sanction then but rather acceptance as being legal in the general society - closer to the permission definition of the word sanction. That is a difference with a real distinction. There are a whole bunch of things that states must accept as being legal without having to sanction them. Do we need to recount the whole civil rights movement, particularly some states' ban on interracial marriages?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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