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Title: Conservative Revolt Splits House GOP Group-Key members of the RSC plan on starting a competing organization that they see as a real conservative caucus
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URL Source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong ... mid-conservative-rift-20150113
Published: Jan 15, 2015
Author: BY DANIEL NEWHAUSER
Post Date: 2015-01-15 03:46:38 by out damned spot
Keywords: new, GOP, group
Views: 7101
Comments: 18
January 13, 2015 House conservatives are plotting a mass exodus from the Republican Study Committee as soon as next week over simmering dissatisfaction with the group's direction. The members have been talking for weeks, and they met Monday night to formalize their plans to institutionalize a competing, invitation-only organization that they see as a real conservative caucus that can push Speaker John Boehner rightward. Once a bastion for the conservative movement, the RSC has strayed too far from its original mission and been co-opted by the same party leaders it is meant to exert pressure upon, the members believe. Republican leaders will be watching closely: Any divisions among conservatives might dilute the Right's ability to influence the leadership on key issues like immigration and spending, though the RSC has always been stocked with independent-minded members who never really took marching orders from the group anyway. The new group, which does not yet have a name but is expected to include more than 30 members, is being de-facto led by former RSC Chairman Jim Jordan, although the formal leadership structure could change. It will also include Rep. Mick Mulvaney, who lost an election to become the chairman last year, disappointing many conservatives. The other founders are Reps. Justin Amash, Ron DeSantis, John Fleming, Scott Garrett, Raul Labrador, Mark Meadows, and Matt Salmon. Most but not all of those members are expected to renounce their RSC memberships, along with other members who will join the group. Many of the members will meet Tuesday evening with Sen. Ted Cruz to discuss their plans and other matters over pizza, though Cruz himself has not been involved in the formation of the new group. Cruz's chief of staff, Paul Teller, was fired from his role as RSC executive director in 2013 after provoking the ire of party leaders and some members of the group. "We've had some discussions, and certainly there are several members that are concerned about the direction of the RSC and want to have an organization that reflects the diverse viewpoints of Republicans at home," said Amash, one of the members expected to leave the RSC. The new group is a direct rebuke of RSC Chairman Bill Flores, who after he won election over Mulvaney told the press that he does not believe the RSC's core mission should be to put pressure on leadership. But the tensions go further back. Before Flores, Rep. Steve Scalise—now the majority whip—won election as the group's chairman over Rep. Tom Graves, whom the now-disaffected members saw as the more conservative candidate. Scalise also fired Teller, angering some members. But Flores said Monday that he is not concerned. He said the RSC is still the only group that can not only outline policy but also influence votes on the House floor. "I'm not too worried about it," Flores said Monday. "If you want to be part of a caucus that has the ability to move the needle, we're the ones that do that. We're the largest, most effective caucus in Congress." The new group is separate from Amash's libertarian-leaning group, the House Liberty Caucus, although it does include several of the same members. And unlike that group, the new one is going to be supported by dues, which will allow the members to hire a designated staff to carry out their agenda. The members are also planning a retreat sometime in the next couple of months to lay out their next steps. Some members may be dissuaded from formally leaving the RSC because in order to vote in November's chairmanship election, they signed a pledge to pay dues. But at the very least, the members plan to stop participating in RSC meetings, even if they continue to pay their dues. Apart from dissatisfaction with the outcome of the races for RSC chairman, members believe the group has become too unwieldy because of its swollen size. Though it started in the 1990s with just a handful of members, the RSC swelled to more than 170 members in the 113th Congress. On its website, the RSC is described as a place where "a minority of committed men and women without years of seniority or formal leadership positions can affect change." But with more than two-thirds of the GOP conference in the RSC— and many of the members not playing an active role—lawmakers who do not regularly attend the weekly group meetings hold sway over its elections and general direction.
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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)
...That can avoid avoid the filthy unwashed masses in Ronald Reagan's "Big Tent." Heck, I don't even know what particular faction of the GOP these people are anymore. But their silly antics are so un-American, I don't want to have anything to do with them.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
I disagree. Time will tell of their caliber, but hopefully this is the beginning of taking power away from the GOPe. I'm encouraged that they are meeting with Ted Cruz.
Cruz wants to shut down our government because he works for the Chinese.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Your hyperbole is refuted by facts. http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Texas/Ted_Cruz/Scandals/Attorney_for_Chinese_Tire_Company/
Deal with it: Recently, Senator Ted Cruz has teamed up with special interests groups and DC lobbyists to deny Texas entrepreneurs the right to fair competition in the free market. Cruz’s actions have sparked outrage among local small business owners and Texas Tea Party leaders alike. It seems that he may not be as in touch with his home state as we all think. Here’s just a few ways that prove it. Cruz is just another conartist, empowered and enriched by the gullible.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
"This post was created by a user and has not been vetted or endorsed by BuzzFeed's editorial staff. It is also not paid advertising. BuzzFeed Community is a place where anyone can post awesome lists and creations" Deal with it. Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish. No problem. Cruz can't hide behind Scripture. WASHINGTON — Leading retailers are hammering Sen. Ted Cruz for opposing a bill that would allow online sales taxes, accusing him of cozying up to the Chinese online site Alibaba at the expense of American small businesses. In a blistering post on BuzzFeed, the Alliance for Main Street Fairness asserts that Cruz has flip-flopped on conservative principles by promoting special tax treatment for e-commerce companies. The alliance, which includes Best Buy, Target and other major chains, wants Congress to close tax loopholes for online merchants. Online sellers often enjoy a price advantage over brick-and-mortar competitors because they have lower overhead, and don’t automatically collect sales tax, even when the customer might owe it to a local jurisdiction. “While Ted Cruz gallivants across the country giving speeches on the American dream,” the post reads, “he denies it to the local small business owners back home.” ...... The Alliance for Main Street Fairness has made Alibaba a key part of their legislative push. In an ad released by the group last month, a narrator states, “Thanks to the online sales tax loophole this Chinese company will decimate our local retailers. Unless Congress ends special tax treatment for Alibaba and other online giants, Main Street will never look the same.” ....... The BuzzFeed post highlights those complicated political dynamics, especially for Republicans. In pictures, it showcases small business owners, as well as a Texas tea party group, who are pushing for the plan. The post quotes the head of the Texas Tea Party Coalition, Duane Ham: “I just can’t understand why Senator Cruz thinks a small business in Texas should be forced to play by a different set of rules than an out-of-state Internet retailer. That’s not fair and it is certainly not conservative.” So the Buzzfeed post comes from an alliance on national Big Box retailers, small business owners and the head of the Texas Tea Party Alliance...
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Alliance for Main Street Fairness Members include retailers such as Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears. Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are now American small businesses?
Well they certainly aren't CHINESE businesses like Alibaba.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Are they small businesses? Can I buy online from any of them?
Yes, you can buy online from all of them. "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Rafael E. Cruz (R-Calgary)
Yes, you can buy online from all of them. Are they small businesses? I don't have to pay sales taxes to any of them.
No, they're national big box retail chains, they collect state sales tax for whatever state you live in. Alaska doesn't have a state tax. "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Well they certainly aren't CHINESE businesses like Alibaba. Wal-Mart/AKA: The Chinese Outlet Store is.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No. Can I buy online from any of them? Yes. From all of them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah... just like anywhere else you shop nowadays.... The battle was lost 15~20 years ago when the globalists started transfering our manufacturing capabilities to China. For 30 pieces of silver the GOP has hogtied our government and enabled China to sodomize the American Middle Class consumer. The irreversible damage is done, petey. The only rainbow that I see in my crystal ball is that I'm getting old and won't have to put up with it for too many more years.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Yeah... just like anywhere else you shop nowadays.... True,but it was them with the aid of Boy Jorge and Bubba Clinton Bush that got the rock rolling down the hill. Notice how nobody talks any more about Bubbette! having a seat on the Wal-Mart board while Bubba Bill was the Arkansas AG? This was back when they were still advertising themselves as a "American store that stocks and sells goods made by American manufacturers!"?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The members have been talking for weeks, and they met Monday night to formalize their plans to institutionalize a competing, invitation-only organization that they see as a real conservative caucus that can...
Instead, they set-up their own, exclusive little pup-tent where they hope to force their values (whatever they may be) onto the rest of the GOP, the Nation & the World.
#2. To: Willie Green (#1)
But their silly antics are so un-American
#3. To: out damned spot (#2)
#4. To: Willie Green (#3)
Cruz wants to shut down our government because he works for the Chinese.
#5. To: yukon (#4)
7 Ways Ted Cruz’s E-Fairness Opposition Puts Him Out Of Touch With Texas
#6. To: Willie Green (#5)
7 Ways Ted Cruz’s E-Fairness Opposition Puts Him Out Of Touch With Texas
#7. To: yukon (#6)
Deal with it.
U.S. retailers attack Ted Cruz as friend of China’s Alibaba
#8. To: Willie Green (#7)
accusing him of cozying up to the Chinese online site Alibaba at the expense of American small businesses.
#9. To: yukon (#8)
Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are now American small businesses?
#10. To: Willie Green (#9)
Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears
#11. To: yukon (#10)
And unlike Ted Cruz's exemption for his Chinese friends, they all pay their US taxes.
#12. To: yukon, Rafael the Canuck (#8)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#13. To: Willie Green (#11)
Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears
#14. To: yukon (#13)
Are they small businesses?
I don't have to pay sales taxes to any of them.
Cruz is from Texas. The Texas sales tax is between 6.25% and 8.25%, depending on how much the local municipality tacks on extra.
#15. To: Willie Green (#9)
Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are now American small businesses?
#16. To: yukon (#10)
Are they small businesses?
#17. To: sneakypete (#15)
Wal-Mart/AKA: The Chinese Outlet Store is.
I don't like it, but there's no avoiding it...
And at least they're still required to pay taxes to remain in business.
#18. To: Willie Green (#17)
Wal-Mart/AKA: The Chinese Outlet Store is.
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