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Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post
Source: LP
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: Sneakypete and TooConservative
Post Date: 2015-01-12 16:37:59 by tpaine
Keywords: None
Views: 112183
Comments: 263

>> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.

>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.

----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you.

----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter.

>> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything?

-----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican.

>> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with.

---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up.

>> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion.

---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it?

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#49. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Just received a couple of emails from the Sysadmin-LP, -- in his first he tried to apologize for any 'unnecessary aggravation' he had caused me.

I replied that being unfairly banned from websites was no big deal (twice in 18 years?, shrug) but that because he called me a criminal, I couldn't accept his apology, - - although I thanked him for the amusing 'election'....

His reply: ----

Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.

What a sweetheart, -- I hope he gets absolution from some confessor, but he won't get it from me.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-13   21:06:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: tpaine (#49)

Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.

He's ashamed of how he conducted himself overall. He was dishonest and his generally low character surfaced. Now he wants to act all nonchalant and above it all. What a phony.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-13   21:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#52) (Edited)

Thanks for your support.

Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Post'.

Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-13   21:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#53)

Thanks for your support.

Not at all.

He chickened out. You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription?

sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name. I advised against this. I think he finally realized that the only thing about LP that was Goldi's was the domain name (libertypost.org & .net).

So he's closing it at noon tomorrow because at midnight tomorrow night, he would be using Goldi's pilfered property for his own purposes, however innocent those might actually be.

You weren't any legal threat to him compared to the actual legal peril he put himself in. And what do you suppose would happen the first time he made someone really really mad? They'd make complaints that he pilfered the domain name, might make fiduciary complaints against him concerning the handling of a deceased person's property. And that domain name was the only part of LP that Goldi actually owned and that had a real value, however negligible.

But by turning the domain into a memorial, no one can say that he took it for himself unlawfully. And he never actually wanted it to begin with anyway.

The DNS issue and his own bizarre ever-changing election with new candidates and new options and new scoring methods ending in complete tatters were why he pulled the plug. That and Neil telling him to close it. Neil's vote probably counted more than the rest of us put together because they knew each other personally for about 15 years.

And for all his whining about how awful we were and how awful all his friends thought we were, he actually did almost no moderating at all.

He pulled the plug at noon on the 14th because Goldi's DNS expires at midnight.

The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-13   22:19:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: TooConservative (#55)

The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.

I wouldn't call it "shameful."
I think that he simply didn't anticipate the can-of-worms that he plunged into.

But what you said about the real legal repurcussions of assuming ownership makes sense, so I agree that shutting LP down and putting up a memorial is the only thing that makes sense. Maybe one of these days Goldi's true family and next-of-kin will come across it and be comforted by the cyber-tribute left behind in her memory.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   11:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Willie Green (#79)

sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to shameful rather quickly. Whenever Gatlin came up with a scary sounding tale, he'd jump.

A puppet on a string.

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-14   12:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#80)

sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... if ever there was proof for the old maxim "Truth is stranger than fiction," it's gotta be LibertyPost.

LOL! If you didn't participate in that bizarre soap opera for the last dozen years, there simply ain't no way you'd ever understand or believe it.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   12:22:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Willie Green, hondo68, Y'ALL (#81)

hondo68 (#80) ---- sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... -- willy

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   14:06:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: tpaine (#84)

the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

Das macht nichts... you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   14:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Willie Green, y'all (#85)

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

Das macht nichts...

No true, Willy... The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.

you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.

Would you?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: tpaine (#86)

The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.

You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?!

"JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."
Goldi's website, Goldi's rules...
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

That's reality, not denial. No sense pissin' in the wind over it.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   15:31:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Willie Green (#87)

You're simply in denial.

You only had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.

Would you?

You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?

Yep, I believe we can function under a republican form of rules, and govt.

Democracies, (as you like them) don't work

LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?! ---- "JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."

You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you?

Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

You're digging your denial hole deeper.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   16:16:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: tpaine (#88)

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

Question it all you want.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   16:40:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Willie Green (#90)

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

Question it all you want. --- If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators. -- Get it yet? -- Reread TC' s posts above, - - he has some excellent insights on the subject.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   16:58:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: tpaine, Willie Green (#93)

[Willie Green #87] Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

- - -

[tpaine #88] Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

- - -

[Willie Green #90] Question it all you want.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

- - -

[tpaine #93] Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators.

It was stated that no will was found. Any grant of power by Goldi to sysadmin or Neil or anyone else was extinguished by her death.

Sysadmin had the password to access the system.

Unless Goldi did not own LP when she died, neither sysadmin, nor Neil, were lawfully "empowered" to do anything that they did. Because they had the password, they had the ability to do things. They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.

Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist and no new power was bestowed from the heavens.

I believe Neil had ceased to have any agent relationship to Goldi for years prior to her death. He could not have been empowered to do anything by her death.

In the absence of any identified relative, all of Goldi's estate will go to the State of Florida under the control of a state appointed executor. The executor will be tasked with identifying the content of the estate and to auction it off or dispose of it. That would include Goldi's interests in Liberty Post.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-14   18:42:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: nolu chan, tpaine, Willie Green (#99)

They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.

Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist

You know none of this as fact, unless of course you had been named in Goldi's will or are the next of kin. Why are you specualting? IMO shutting down LP was the most righteous thing to do and the best tribute to Goldi, unless of course you have a Goldi clone waiting in the wings - and even then that would not be sufficient to maintain Goldi's memory.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-14   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: SOSO (#102)

It is impossible that they had authority.

Why?

"I'm more than willing to hear how it is possible. "

Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight.

I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act.

A real or imaginary private communication of Goldi's wishes is not a will. It carries zero legal weight. If Goldi died intestate, as stated by sysadmin, the estate goes to the nearest relative, if one can be found. Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state.

There is no exception in the law that gives the estate, or any part thereof, to someone who claims that the decedent made a private communication expressing something or other to sysadmin.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0732/0732.html

732.101 Intestate estate.—

(1) Any part of the estate of a decedent not effectively disposed of by will passes to the decedent’s heirs as prescribed in the following sections of this code.

(2) The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property.

- - - - -

732.107 Escheat.—

(1) When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state.

(2) Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund.

(3) At any time within 10 years after the payment to the Chief Financial Officer, a person claiming to be entitled to the proceeds may reopen the administration to assert entitlement to the proceeds. If no claim is timely asserted, the state’s rights to the proceeds shall become absolute.

(4) The Department of Legal Affairs shall represent the state in all proceedings concerning escheated estates.

(5)(a) If a person entitled to the proceeds assigns the rights to receive payment to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency which is duly licensed to do business in this state pursuant to a written agreement with that person, the Department of Financial Services is authorized to make distribution in accordance with the assignment.

(b) Payments made to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency shall be promptly deposited into a trust or escrow account which is regularly maintained by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency in a financial institution authorized to accept such deposits and located in this state.

(c) Distribution by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency to the person entitled to the proceeds shall be made within 10 days following final credit of the deposit into the trust or escrow account at the financial institution, unless a party to the agreement protests the distribution in writing before it is made.

(d) The department shall not be civilly or criminally liable for any proceeds distributed pursuant to this subsection, provided such distribution is made in good faith.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-14   22:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: nolu chan, tpaine, pericles (#139)

Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state.

So you prefer that the state disposed of LP?

"I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act."

As I said, I am not a lawyer and will readily defer to one on the matter. But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner.

But I will concede the point to you in all respects. Now I ask you, so what is to been done about it? Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling? Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp?

Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have? There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands? Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished?

It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-14   23:21:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: SOSO, tpaine, Pericles, TooConservative (#148)

So you prefer that the state disposed of LP?

I stated no personal preference. I stated what the law says must be done. As one preference though, I would prefer that the site not go into the hands of a robber or felon or anyone with a Federal Bureau of Prisons Number.

But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner.

If Goldi was not the owner at her death, then someone else was. I have no indication that anyone else was the owner at the time of Goldi's death. Nobody else ever claimed to be the owner and Goldi was listed as the registrant until a change was made at the end of December.

Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling?

Responsibility passed to the state of Florida for Goldi's estate. They work on attempting to find a will, trying to identify relatives near or distant, and identify all assets and dispose of them as stated in the law.

69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764

On December 21, sysadmin advised that,

UPS packages were piling up in front of her condo, so the management called police on November 13th to check on her. She was found deceased inside her condo unit.

http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=73#C73

On December 22, sysadmin advised,

Goldi's case is in the hands of the "Major Cases Unit" at the sheriff's office which has been attempting unsuccessfully to find next-of-kin. The body is with the Medical Examiner's office and the actual cause of death has not yet been determined.

So, more than five weeks after Goldi's body was discovered, sysadmin reports that the case is in the hands of the Major Cases Unit and the cause of death has not yet been determined.

The Major Cases Unit does not usually investigate death from natural causes for five weeks. The authorities found the cat. They should find Liberty Post with little effort.

As for how fast the state stepped in, maybe they stepped in immediately. What is the Major Cases Unit investigating? Maybe they want to watch and investigate something before going all public.

Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp?

For what? I have not been damaged. Neither has tpaine or Pericles either. They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold. Even the state of Florida must expend a certain amount of time trying to locate relatives. And we could all still attend the auction.

Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have?

LP is not a legal entity and has no assets. Goldi had assets which now belong to the estate of Goldi which include the archive of LP. All of it, including PM and E-mail.

There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands?

The state of Florida would be responsible since Goldi's death. However, the Major Cases Unit might consider the non-public information to be evidence in an investigation.

"The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property."

"When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state."

"Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."

Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished?

Beats me. I suppose you could ask the state of Florida authorities to take custody of it and protect it.

It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong.

The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15   0:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: nolu chan (#166)

They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold.

Thanks for the response. But if memory serves sysadmin made it quite clear that he wasn't selling LP.

"The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?"

Excellent question. Based on it I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How's that for setting off another conspiracy thread:)

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-15   11:13:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: SOSO, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#179)

Silly questioner --- Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp?

Nolu Chan ---- For what? I have not been damaged. Neither has tpaine or Pericles either. They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold.

I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities.

SOSO --- I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP.

How silly can you get? I was not very interested in 'getting my hands on LP', as was made evident by the conditions on the offer I made. -- I was trying to find a way to keep the site open.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-15   11:56:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: tpaine (#180)

I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities.

Whose legal responsibilities? You will see the problem while trying to answer that question. Upon Goldi's death, responsibilities went to the state of Florida. LP was not a legal entity. The responsibilities were Goldi's, personally.

The whole process was flawed. It may have been well intended, but good intent does not overrule state law. The problem is that no will was found and state law gets in the way.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15   16:08:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#190)

Chan is correct. Sysadmin and Neil had absolutely no right to offer anything to anyone under the Liberty Post name. They were essentially offering what was not theirs to offer to you and or Pericles. With no will and not being corporate officers, their actions were their own and most likely illegal.

They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. Any of the old Liberty Post would come under control of whomever Goldi willed it to or the State of Florida. The URL was perfectly legal to buy as the subscription lapsed, but the content would have to be totally removed and replaced with something else.

I am 110% certain that one or both asked a lawyer, after they had started their dog and pony show, as to what was legal or not and were told what to do to avoid any legal trouble.

A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess.

Nexus6  posted on  2015-01-15   16:27:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Nexus6 (#199)

They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name.

Except that is not what happened.

There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does.

http://who.is

Expires On 	January 18, 2016
Registered On 	January 18, 2011
Updated On 	January 06, 2015

Operation 40  posted on  2015-01-15   17:07:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: Operation 40, Nexus6 (#209)

That was for libertypost.net

libertypost.org expired.

The website Liberty Post used both.

Expires On 		January 14, 2015
Registered On 	        January 14, 2002
Updated On 		November 17, 2014

Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit?

Registrant Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Administrative Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Technical Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15   17:38:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: nolu chan, Operation 40, Nexus6 (#215)

http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net

ns1.linode.com 69.93.127.10 Houston, TX, US

ns2.linode.com 65.19.178.10 Nashville, TN, US

ns3.linode.com 75.127.96.10 Atlanta, GA, US

ns4.linode.com 207.192.70.10 Cedar Knolls, NJ, US

ns5.linode.com 109.74.194.10

http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net

***************************************************

http://who.is/domain-history/libertypost.net

Registrar Info January 15, 2015

Name ENOM, INC.

Whois Server whois.enom.com

Referral URL http://www.enom.com

Status clientTransferProhibited

Important Dates

Expires On January 18, 2016

Registered On January 18, 2011

Updated On January 06, 2015

Murron  posted on  2015-01-15   18:08:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#216)

I just captured the info posted in my #215 just before I formatted my post and posted it. When I went back just now, there were a few changes.

Under important dates my #215 read:

Updated On November 17, 2014

Now that is updated to:

Updated On January 06, 2015

- - - - -

The bottom of my post at #215 read:

Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC

Now that is updated to:

Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC

= = = = =

Registrar Info
Name 		eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status 		clientTransferProhibited

Important Dates
Expires On 		January 14, 2016
Registered On 	        January 14, 2002
Updated On 		January 06, 2015

Raw Registrar Data

Registrant Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Administrative Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Technical Contact Information:
    Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
    City: Panama
    State: Panama
    Zip: 00000
    Country: PA
    Phone: +507.8365503
    Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com

Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15   18:26:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: nolu chan (#217)

Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-15   18:56:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: tpaine, nolu chan (#219)

like the sysadmin-LP is playing games

Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?

A Pole  posted on  2015-01-15   20:32:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 221.

#222. To: A Pole (#221)

Um, one possibility is that he's not that bright.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-15 21:01:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: A Pole, tpaine (#221)

Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?

Just fighting for truth, justice, and the American way.

Remember, sysadmin posted

I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes.

That first server was provided by and in the office of John B. Kotmair at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD, the address of SAPF and Liberty Post.

Goldi-Lox and Pinguinite were followers of John B. Kotmair and SAPF. It appears sysadmin was another member of the fold.

John B. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 18066-037.

Son Edward L. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 33337-037. That was his second stretch. Earlier he was state Offender Number 0229959 doing time at Hartnett Correctional Institution.

http://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/

I can see how the people from SAPF can vouch for each other's integrity.

Gee, what was their business?

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff - Appellee,
v.
JOHN B. KOTMAIR, JR., D/B/A SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP AND NATIONAL WORKERS RIGHTS COMMITTEE; SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, AN UNINCORPORATED ASSOCIATION,
Defendants - Appellants.

UNPUBLISHED

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT

Appeal from the United States District Court for
the District of Maryland, at Baltimore.
William M. Nickerson, Senior District Judge.
(1:05-cv-01297-WMN)

Submitted: July 24, 2007
Decided: July 26, 2007

Before WILKINSON, TRAXLER, and DUNCAN, Circuit Judges.

Affirmed by unpublished per curiam opinion.

John B. Kotmair, Jr., Appellant Pro Se; George E. Harp, Shreveport, Louisiana, for Appellant SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, an unincorporated association.

Richard Farber, Carol Ann Barthel, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Washington, D.C., for Appellee.

Unpublished opinions are not binding precedent in this circuit.

PER CURIAM:

John B. Kotmair, Jr., and Save-A-Patriot Fellowship appeal from the district court's orders granting summary judgment in favor of the United States and issuing a permanent injunction against them based on their activities in promoting a tax evasion scheme, and denying their motions for a new trial and for modification of the injunction. We have reviewed the record and find no reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm for the reasons stated by the district court. United States v. Kotmair, No. 1:05-cv-01297-WMN (D. Md. Nov. 29, 2006; Feb. 7, 2007). We deny Save-A-Patriot's motion to strike portions of the brief filed by the United States, and we dispense with oral argument because the facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the materials before the court and argument would not aid the decisional process.

AFFIRMED

Have another,

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19961657962FSupp695_11553

SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP v. U.S. Civil Action No. MJG-95-935.

962 F.Supp. 695 (1996)

SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, Plaintiff,
v.
UNITED STATES of America, Defendant.

United States District Court, D. Maryland.
December 18, 1996.

Beverly A. Moses, Trial Attorney, Tax Division, U.S. Dept. of Justice,
Washington, DC, for Plaintiff.

George E. Harp, Shreveport, LA, for Defendant.

MEMORANDUM OF DECISION

GARBIS, District Judge.

[...]

The SAP Fellowship chose not to maintain any bank accounts or even maintain records of its finances.

[...]

The record establishes that Kotmair was entitled to, felt free to, and did, take funds from the Fellowship and use them for his personal sustenance. Kotmair espouses a doctrine that would have funds that he takes to spend for personal use remain the property of the SAP Fellowship. Indeed, in the world according to Kotmair, if he uses Foundation funds for his food, the Foundation ownership extends to the food even as it proceeds through his digestive system. For example:

THE COURT: [W]e are trying to get an understanding of when something belongs to you and when it doesn't. When it belongs to [the SAP Fellowship], so I just want you to try and help me understand that. If you go to the grocery store and you buy Wheaties [with fellowship funds], when is it yours, after you eat it or. Kotmair: That is a hard question to answer. THE COURT: That is why we ask it. Kotmair: If the energy from it goes to the Fellowship, and it does, I would say it is to the benefit of the fellowship.

The Court declines to follow the "logic" of Kotmair's position or to dwell upon the point in the digestive process at which Kotmair would agree that the I.R.S. could effect collection. Rather, the Court must conclude that once Kotmair takes Fellowship funds for personal use, those funds can no longer be found to be Fellowship property immune from levy for Kotmair's tax liabilities.

The Court finds from the evidence that the SAP Fellowship obtained, and had ownership of, the cash and money orders it received for memberships and the sales of goods, and, possibly services. If the Fellowship had established that Kotmair's possession of particular assets was solely as Fiduciary for the SAP Fellowship the ownership could remain in the Fellowship. However, at such point as Kotmair took the assets and did not place

[962 F.Supp. 701]

them in a location23 that was exclusively used for the maintenance of Fellowship assets, the ability of the SAP Fellowship to establish ownership in this case was lost. In the context of this case, once the cash and money orders were taken from the Office and placed in something other than a Fellowship depository, the funds were available for the immediate personal use of Kotmair, mingled with his own assets, and no longer had the character of Fellowship assets sufficient to avoid levy.

In this case, the cash and money orders that had been removed from the Office prior to the raid were found in the Residence in various locations, none of which have been established to be exclusive association depositories. However, the Court finds that the $384 of cash, the $210 of money orders and $40 of Susan B. Anthony Dollars found at the Office were, when found, property of the SAP Fellowship which had not yet been mingled with Kotmair's personal assets. Accordingly, the Court concludes that the SAP Fellowship has carried its burden of proof and proven ownership with regard to these assets found in the Office, but not as to the cash and money orders found in the Residence.

[...]

Who is that sysadmin mystery man who helped with that first server in the SAPF office in 2002 and has "worked with it ever since behind the scenes."

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-16 00:10:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 221.

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