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Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post
Source: LP
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: Sneakypete and TooConservative
Post Date: 2015-01-12 16:37:59 by tpaine
Keywords: None
Views: 112323
Comments: 263

>> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.

>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.

----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you.

----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter.

>> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything?

-----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican.

>> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with.

---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up.

>> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion.

---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it?

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#49. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Just received a couple of emails from the Sysadmin-LP, -- in his first he tried to apologize for any 'unnecessary aggravation' he had caused me.

I replied that being unfairly banned from websites was no big deal (twice in 18 years?, shrug) but that because he called me a criminal, I couldn't accept his apology, - - although I thanked him for the amusing 'election'....

His reply: ----

Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.

What a sweetheart, -- I hope he gets absolution from some confessor, but he won't get it from me.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-13   21:06:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: tpaine (#49)

Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.

He's ashamed of how he conducted himself overall. He was dishonest and his generally low character surfaced. Now he wants to act all nonchalant and above it all. What a phony.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-13   21:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#52) (Edited)

Thanks for your support.

Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Post'.

Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-13   21:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#53)

Thanks for your support.

Not at all.

He chickened out. You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription?

sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name. I advised against this. I think he finally realized that the only thing about LP that was Goldi's was the domain name (libertypost.org & .net).

So he's closing it at noon tomorrow because at midnight tomorrow night, he would be using Goldi's pilfered property for his own purposes, however innocent those might actually be.

You weren't any legal threat to him compared to the actual legal peril he put himself in. And what do you suppose would happen the first time he made someone really really mad? They'd make complaints that he pilfered the domain name, might make fiduciary complaints against him concerning the handling of a deceased person's property. And that domain name was the only part of LP that Goldi actually owned and that had a real value, however negligible.

But by turning the domain into a memorial, no one can say that he took it for himself unlawfully. And he never actually wanted it to begin with anyway.

The DNS issue and his own bizarre ever-changing election with new candidates and new options and new scoring methods ending in complete tatters were why he pulled the plug. That and Neil telling him to close it. Neil's vote probably counted more than the rest of us put together because they knew each other personally for about 15 years.

And for all his whining about how awful we were and how awful all his friends thought we were, he actually did almost no moderating at all.

He pulled the plug at noon on the 14th because Goldi's DNS expires at midnight.

The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-13   22:19:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: TooConservative (#55)

The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.

I wouldn't call it "shameful."
I think that he simply didn't anticipate the can-of-worms that he plunged into.

But what you said about the real legal repurcussions of assuming ownership makes sense, so I agree that shutting LP down and putting up a memorial is the only thing that makes sense. Maybe one of these days Goldi's true family and next-of-kin will come across it and be comforted by the cyber-tribute left behind in her memory.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   11:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Willie Green (#79)

sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to shameful rather quickly. Whenever Gatlin came up with a scary sounding tale, he'd jump.

A puppet on a string.

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-14   12:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#80)

sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... if ever there was proof for the old maxim "Truth is stranger than fiction," it's gotta be LibertyPost.

LOL! If you didn't participate in that bizarre soap opera for the last dozen years, there simply ain't no way you'd ever understand or believe it.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   12:22:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Willie Green, hondo68, Y'ALL (#81)

hondo68 (#80) ---- sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... -- willy

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   14:06:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: tpaine (#84)

the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

Das macht nichts... you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   14:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Willie Green, y'all (#85)

Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.

Das macht nichts...

No true, Willy... The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.

you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.

Would you?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: tpaine (#86)

The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.

You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?!

"JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."
Goldi's website, Goldi's rules...
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

That's reality, not denial. No sense pissin' in the wind over it.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   15:31:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Willie Green (#87)

You're simply in denial.

You only had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.

Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.

Would you?

You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?

Yep, I believe we can function under a republican form of rules, and govt.

Democracies, (as you like them) don't work

LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?! ---- "JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."

You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you?

Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

You're digging your denial hole deeper.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   16:16:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: tpaine (#88)

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

Question it all you want.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-14   16:40:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Willie Green (#90)

Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

Question it all you want. --- If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators. -- Get it yet? -- Reread TC' s posts above, - - he has some excellent insights on the subject.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-14   16:58:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: tpaine, Willie Green (#93)

[Willie Green #87] Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.

- - -

[tpaine #88] Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.

- - -

[Willie Green #90] Question it all you want.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.

- - -

[tpaine #93] Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators.

It was stated that no will was found. Any grant of power by Goldi to sysadmin or Neil or anyone else was extinguished by her death.

Sysadmin had the password to access the system.

Unless Goldi did not own LP when she died, neither sysadmin, nor Neil, were lawfully "empowered" to do anything that they did. Because they had the password, they had the ability to do things. They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.

Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist and no new power was bestowed from the heavens.

I believe Neil had ceased to have any agent relationship to Goldi for years prior to her death. He could not have been empowered to do anything by her death.

In the absence of any identified relative, all of Goldi's estate will go to the State of Florida under the control of a state appointed executor. The executor will be tasked with identifying the content of the estate and to auction it off or dispose of it. That would include Goldi's interests in Liberty Post.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-14   18:42:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: nolu chan, tpaine, Willie Green (#99)

They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.

Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist

You know none of this as fact, unless of course you had been named in Goldi's will or are the next of kin. Why are you specualting? IMO shutting down LP was the most righteous thing to do and the best tribute to Goldi, unless of course you have a Goldi clone waiting in the wings - and even then that would not be sufficient to maintain Goldi's memory.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-14   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: SOSO (#102)

It is impossible that they had authority.

Why?

"I'm more than willing to hear how it is possible. "

Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight.

I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act.

A real or imaginary private communication of Goldi's wishes is not a will. It carries zero legal weight. If Goldi died intestate, as stated by sysadmin, the estate goes to the nearest relative, if one can be found. Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state.

There is no exception in the law that gives the estate, or any part thereof, to someone who claims that the decedent made a private communication expressing something or other to sysadmin.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0732/0732.html

732.101 Intestate estate.—

(1) Any part of the estate of a decedent not effectively disposed of by will passes to the decedent’s heirs as prescribed in the following sections of this code.

(2) The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property.

- - - - -

732.107 Escheat.—

(1) When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state.

(2) Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund.

(3) At any time within 10 years after the payment to the Chief Financial Officer, a person claiming to be entitled to the proceeds may reopen the administration to assert entitlement to the proceeds. If no claim is timely asserted, the state’s rights to the proceeds shall become absolute.

(4) The Department of Legal Affairs shall represent the state in all proceedings concerning escheated estates.

(5)(a) If a person entitled to the proceeds assigns the rights to receive payment to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency which is duly licensed to do business in this state pursuant to a written agreement with that person, the Department of Financial Services is authorized to make distribution in accordance with the assignment.

(b) Payments made to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency shall be promptly deposited into a trust or escrow account which is regularly maintained by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency in a financial institution authorized to accept such deposits and located in this state.

(c) Distribution by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency to the person entitled to the proceeds shall be made within 10 days following final credit of the deposit into the trust or escrow account at the financial institution, unless a party to the agreement protests the distribution in writing before it is made.

(d) The department shall not be civilly or criminally liable for any proceeds distributed pursuant to this subsection, provided such distribution is made in good faith.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-14   22:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: nolu chan (#139)

Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules

Domains expire.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-15   0:22:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Palmdale (#165)

Domains expire.

And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15   0:48:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: nolu chan (#167)

And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."

Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules?

Don't assume your premise.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-15   1:04:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#170. To: Palmdale (#168) (Edited)

Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules?

I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired. It was not expired when Goldi died and it passed to the custody of the state of Florida. You are free to volunteer to explain to the state of Florida how Panama became involved.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349905

With the new year upon us I suppose it is time now to discuss where LP is going from here. We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Although very unlikely, it is something that should be kept in mind.

Title: Where do we go from here?

Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin

It seems sysadmin decided not to wait until the estate was probated. He decided to act before the state of Florida could.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-15 01:18:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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