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Title: After almost 12 years of posting on LP I think I finally got myself banned. Oh well, it had to be said.
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... rt.cgi?ArtNum=325540&Disp=8#C8
Published: Sep 12, 2012
Author: me
Post Date: 2012-09-12 08:43:46 by Fibr Dog
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Views: 108807
Comments: 201
#8. To: Goldi-Lox (#3) and will do NOTHING to help them That would be the only smart thing he's done his entire administration. If you want to help them so damned bad then get of your fat, America-hating ass and head on over there. Israel must stop waiting, and ACT. They are a sovereign country. No one is stopping them. What you, Net-and-yahoo, and the rest of your America-hating buddies want is for the US to spend its money and American lives and do it for you while you sit around eating Bon-bons. Israel and you Israeli-firsters are like American welfare recipients. You think everyone owes you something. We don't owe you or Israel squat. Israel is just one of many Middle Eastern s**t holes that isn't worth one American life. And do it NOW before they are nuked! bwhahahahaha. Your stupidity and gullibility knows no bounds. Fibr Dog posted on 2012-09-12 8:35:43 ET Reply Trace
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#37. To: Fibr Dog (#35)
Stone will die in hell if we don't defend Israels interests with every native son and daughter's life. I don't remember him saying he or his ever personally participated though. Evidently rah-rahing from the sidelines also counts.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he has never looked into the issue. I once believed as he did until I was given the information and took the time to look into it.
Best of luck with that. My experience though is that he thinks facts are inconvenient things.
I agree one hundred percent. We shouldn't have been there. But we were there. In international waters. We weren't even close to Israeli waters. So I guess you have no problem with the Libyans murdering our Ambassador and other embassy personnel. After all, "It wouldn't have happened if we were operating in our sphere of influence. Like following the Monroe doctrine and non interventionist policy."
muslim brotherhood kook lib neocom gospel - tautology ... ranting endlessly --- w / o reality !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
REALLY... Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested. Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel. The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. Said Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer: "The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion," he said. Other pertinent facts: * The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty's frequencies and no others. Afterward, in one of their ever changing explanations, the Israelis claimed to have learned the ship's identity when they heard its distress signals. But the attack continued for sixty six minutes after the first distress signal, which the Israelis had jammed, was sent. Had this particular Israeli claim been true, they would have recalled the torpedo boats before they even reached the ship. * The Israelis claimed that the ship's U.S. flag hung limp because there was no wind. Later, when presented with the fact that the flag had been perfectly visible, they claimed that they thought that the ship was an enemy vessel flying false colors. The extended radio monitoring, exposing considerable advance investigation of Liberty's communication facilities, refutes this claim. * The Israelis claimed that the torpedo boats, after first sighting the ship, had called in the aircraft to attack after the ship refused to identify itself. This is an obvious lie, because the attack was clearly a preplanned and well coordinated onetwo punch employing different branches of the Israeli Defense Forces. The jets were already intent on attacking the ship before the Liberty came into the torpedo boats' radar range. Directly contradicting themselves, the Israelis later claimed that their aircraft had called in the torpedo boats. Immediately preceding the attack, an Israeli pilot recognized Liberty as a U.S. ship and radioed this information to IDF headquarters. He was instructed to attack anyway. This dialogue was intercepted at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter revealed the existence of this intercept in 1991. From here: Chief Legal Counsel to the Board of Inquiry Capt. Ward Boston and president of the Court Adm. Isaac C. Kidd felt it necessary to travel to Israel and interview those who had taken part in the attack. They were rebuffed in that effort by Adm. John S. McCain Jr., then serving as Commander-in-Chief, Naval Forces Europe. Adm. McCain would not allow the two any contact with the Israelis. In a sworn affidavit, Capt. Ward Boston (ret.) made the following statements concurring with the cover-up of the USS Liberty attack: “I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court’s findings. Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to ‘put the lid’ on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again. .... In 1982, an Israeli pilot who took part in the attack, Evan Toni, spoke extensively with Rep. Paul McCloskey (R-CA). He told McCloskey that his superiors told him to ignore the markings and U.S. flag. Toni claimed that he and another pilot radioed base and clearly identified the ship as American. Both refused and were immediately arrested upon returning to base. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon, Dwight Porter, confirmed the pilot’s account. Porter told columnist Robert Novak that he heard the exchange as radio transmissions were being monitored from the embassy. And so, stone, do you still believe the bullshit that's been spoon-fed to you? Here are the facts. There was a war going on. We were over there off their coast. We got mistaken. It sucks but it happens. As usual, talking shit about things you know NOTHING about. You should be embarrassed. But you're not, of course. Your religious fervor makes you arrogant, stupid and blind. ALL of the comments by Fibr Dog are spot-on. YOU are the one who is mistaken... in a great many things.
I worked for the army equivalent of these sailors at that time and it's a known fact the isreali air force knew exactly who they were attacking.
do you really have to post disgusting shit like that, stop disrespecting a dead american, the man has family asshole show a little class.
the man has family asshole show a little class." Seconded.
Excellent summary. For a long while, I was one who never questioned the MSM regarding Israel, and IIRC, it was Alex Jones who mentioned USS Liberty, and that started my digging... about five years ago. Learning what I did, I realized that Israel is NOT our "friend," never was, never will be... They're perfectly happy to manipulate things so that they never get their hands dirty, never get held responsible for the results of their own actions. They're users, pure and simple. This, BTW, is exactly why the Israelis attacked the Liberty, jammed the communications and tried to sink her with a torpedo. Bottom line, the Israelis wanted the USA to come to their aid. They wanted (and tried hard) to sink one of our ships before it could call for assistance, and then blame it on Egypt. The only problem was, the ship didn't sink according to their plans, and the excuses and coverups were required. Otherwise, we would have to acknowledge that a supposed "friend" conducted an ACT OF WAR on us, and we'd have to kick their sorry asses... I will not give him any such benefit. He pushes the Israel-first agenda, and pushes a bunch of lies, to further that agenda. He claims intimate knowledge of many things, yet his words demonstrate that he's merely another useless idiot. He doesn't deserve the respect conferred by giving him "the benefit of the doubt," IMO. Instead, he deserves contempt for his willful ignorance. For this, there can be no excuse. Agreed. But stone is no more an American patriot, than Israel is America's friend.
Very well put. Thank you.
Says the kook asshole that wants to keep a socialist in the White House. You hate Isael more then you love America. You are delusional nutcase.
Says the Satan worshiping Obama stooge.
Good bye obomba bridge to the 21st century recollapse !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
It is a result of the foreign policy that Satans Ferret voted for. You know the fruity one that is ashamed of his pic he used to sport on his profile.
Here is the fact Mike. You voted for a queer muslim for President. You aren't a real American. You're just some loser with an internet connection. A covetous bastard producer.
Predictable, you do the usual and project the accusation someone has Obama's cooties because you cannot articulate any rebuttal. Save me from the one size fits all rebuttals typical of you. Instead, you should really shock everybody here and give an informed response or opinion on the USS Liberty that makes sense.
Great movie I hear.
Huh? Do you want to explain this in English? Are you loosing it Stone? Calm down. Breath deeply and slower.
You are a waste of time. You should go jump off a bridge.
Which movie? You are so lazy you cannot even bring yourself to explain the basic point you make, and label the video you posted.
Right after they label you.
Since no one else will point it out, I guess I will. The foreign policy that Robama has been following is nothing more than an extension of the foreign policy of baby Bush and will be the same exact foreign policy of Robamney. It follows the PNAC document to a tee. The script has been written and it will be followed regardless of who is in office. The same group of neoconservatives who scripted the baby Bush foreign policy backed Robama's piss poor decisions in Libya, Yemen, etc., etc. They will also back Robamney should he win.
heh. Well now, gravity and I made up after my experience as a human lawn dart from an incense cedar. But I do jump off a bike bridge into the Willamette River on hot days now and then. Remember I was a paratrooper now. I love jumping. I just don't challenge concrete from 43 feet anymore.
A large reason he has lost my support. We vote by mail in Oregon, and I am writing in Ron Paul.
The rules in Missouri for write-in's are so strict and limited that it is not possible to write in Ron Paul.
You label ourself small and immature in this childish post. I don't even see how in the world you think that picture would bother me.
And you're falling for the same hope & change line of bull this election, and voting for a queer Mormon. At least Mike has learned enough to not vote for Obama this time around. Apparently you're incapable of learning, or just love bull shiite. Thank God McInsane lost! I have no doubts that he would be even worse than Obama, with bipartisan support. You'd vote for a gay-lesbian-transgender Wiccan, if there was an R after their name. Hey it's hope & change and not Obama, right?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You just like Obama deep down because he hates Israel Only a moron like you would think Obama and Romney are the same. So go ahead and keep the non citizen Obama. And don't give me no crap about Romney not being one either. That is a bullshit piece.
They ARE the same dufus! Non-Christian pagans, socialists, hate-America globalists, both are light in the loafers, and love killing babies too! You Obamabot MitTards hate us, because we're free.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
So they will tax us at the exact same rate? Romney will sign the exact same bills 100 percent of the time. I didn't think so moron.
Rmoney pays a tax rate lower than the working man because he can. He and ANNtoinette have their own set of rules.
Naw,that won't get you banned. I've been saying that for years. What you, Net-and-yahoo, and the rest of your America-hating buddies want is for the US to spend its money and American lives and do it for you while you sit around eating Bon-bons. Israel and you Israeli-firsters are like American welfare recipients. You think everyone owes you something. We don't owe you or Israel squat. Israel is just one of many Middle Eastern s**t holes that isn't worth one American life. I've said that,too. Numerous times. I never suggested Israel nuke anybody,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yes Romney will tax via printing money, borrow & spend... your money buys less (inflation tax), a TAX with the gov spending more of your devalued money. Obama may use a direct tax hike, same effect, exactly. The gov gets more, you regress back to the stone age. Changing the name from ObamaCare to RomneyCare, is NO CHANGE! You're going to end up paying for the illegal alien invaders health care either way. Your vote for Mitt is going to cost you dearly, open up your wallet sucka! Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Those are not the facts. We were in international waters. We were not mistaken. That is an outright lie. Absolutely 100% correct,Fibr Dog. For one thing,the USS Liberty was flying one of those big-ass American flags flown by Naval ships. They are so big you can see them if you are close enough to see the ship. For another,Israel was monitoring the radios and heard the ship identify herself and heard them talking to other Americans in English. What happened was they thought for reasons known only to them that we were supplying the Arabs with military intelligence,so they went after the spy ship.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Fact. Our government concluded it was an accident. Fact. This is the only thing you kooks have is something that happened half a century ago and all those people are dead?
Source please? Did Romney cheat or follow the law on his taxes?
Is that you Goldi? Pebbles? Yes, it happened long ago, but it happened.
Quit making stuff up. Stick to the facts please.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThose are not the facts. We were in international waters. We were not mistaken. That is an outright lie.
#38. To: mininggold, Ferret Mike, AKA Stone (#37)
#39. To: Fibr Dog (#38)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#23)
It wouldn't have happened if we were operating in our sphere of influence. Like following the Monroe doctrine and non interventionist policy like all the Jew haters say they want when it comes to Israel.
#41. To: calcon (#15)
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gay canary posse troll
#42. To: A K A Stone, Fibr Dog (#23)
That was just a terrible accident. Anyone who thinks the Jews attacked America on purpose are stupid.
"The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water," said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. "In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.
Following the attack, a U.S. Navy Board of Inquiry into the incident convened. Though the amount of evidence was immense and there were several dozen interviews to conduct, the Court of Inquiry was given only a week to complete their work. The Court was not even allowed to consider sworn declarations from more than 60 still-hospitalized Liberty sailors.
It wouldn't have happened if we were operating in our sphere of influence. Like following the Monroe doctrine and non interventionist policy like all the Jew haters say they want when it comes to Israel.
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#42)
#44. To: BorisY (#41)
#45. To: calcon, BorisY (#44)
"do you really have to post disgusting shit like that, stop disrespecting a dead american,
#46. To: Fibr Dog (#34)
Israel attacked the USS Liberty using UNMARKED AIRCRAFT. This is the single fact which proves Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel's story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft. The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you have never bothered to investigate the issue and are making your decision based on preconceived notions.
The dead of the USS Liberty deserve better from someone claiming to be a patriot.
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#47. To: Capitalist Eric (#46)
"Agreed. But stone is no more an American patriot, than Israel is America's friend."
#48. To: Capitalist Eric (#46)
Agreed. But stone is no more an American patriot, than Israel is America's friend.
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
Very well put. Thank you.
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
#51. To: Ferret Mike, calcon (#45)
"do you really have to post disgusting shit like that, stop disrespecting a dead american,
#52. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
My experience though is that he thinks facts are inconvenient things.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#49)
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#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#51)
"It is a result of the foreign policy that Satans Ferret voted for. You know the fruity one that is ashamed of his pic he used to sport on his profile."
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
has Obama's cootie
#57. To: A K A Stone (#54)
"Great movie I hear."
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
(Edited)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
and label the video you posted.
#60. To: A K A Stone, all (#51)
It is a result of the foreign policy that Satans Ferret voted for.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#56)
"You should go jump off a bridge."
#62. To: Fibr Dog (#60)
"The foreign policy that Robama has been following is nothing more than an extension of the foreign policy of baby Bush and will be the same exact foreign policy of Robamney."
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
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I am writing in Ron Paul.
#64. To: A K A Stone (#59)
"Right after they label you."
#65. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#52)
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You voted for a queer muslim for President
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#66. To: hondo68 (#65)
#67. To: A K A Stone, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#66)
Only a moron like you would think Obama and Romney are the same.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#68. To: hondo68 (#67)
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
So they will tax us at the exact same rate?
#70. To: Fibr Dog (#0)
If you want to help them so damned bad then get of your fat, America-hating ass and head on over there.
#71. To: A K A Stone (#68)
they will tax us at the exact same rate?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#72. To: Fibr Dog, AKA Stone (#35)
Here are the facts. There was a war going on. We were over there off their coast. We got mistaken. It sucks but it happens.
#73. To: sneakypete (#72)
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#69)
Rmoney pays a tax rate lower than the working man because he can.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#73)
#76. To: hondo68 (#71)
Yes Romney will tax via printing money, borrow & spend.
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