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Title: Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?
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Published: Aug 13, 2012
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2012-08-13 17:59:34 by jwpegler
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Over the weekend, Mitt Romney announced that he selected Paul Ryan as his Vice Presidential running mate. Just about every commentator on the left and right, has hailed this as a bold move. The left believes Romney made a tragic mistake selecting someone so "radical". The right believes that Romney made the right decision selecting someone so dedicated to "fiscal responsibility". Both sides are wrong. Ryan's so-called visionary / radical budget plan won't balance the budget until 2040. We had a balanced budget in 2000, yet the left thinks it's "radical" and the right thinks it's "bold" to wait 28 years to get America's fiscal house in order. More importantly, during the Bush administration, Ryan was just another big spending politician. Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D (the first new entitlement program since LBJ), No Child Left Behind (the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history), Bush's two Middle East Wars, and TARP to bail out the Wall Street con artists. To top it off, he helped torpedo Simpson-Bowles, which would have lowered the top personal tax rate to 23% and the top corporate tax rate to 25%. Of course, Obama / Biden are much worse, with their failed "stimulus", ObamaCare, annual deficits of more than a trillion dollars forever, shutting down energy production in the U.S., crazy left-wing social engineering, and more big government crap being shoved down our throats than ever before. I've voted in 8 Presidential elections. I voted for the GOP nominee 4 times and I've voted for third party / independent candidates 4 times. Unfortunately, Obama / Biden are so bad that we really don't have a choice this year. I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again. But I just feel really dirty doing so.
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Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
When faced with false choices, the free man rejects them. Only when a man lacks moral courage, when he has surrendered his freedom and his integrity, will he allow himself to participate the illusion of freedom, rather than freedom itself. He'll mouth the appropriate platitudes, and thereafter attack those who have not yielded to their fears, cursing and condemning them, because they remind him of what he once was, and is no more... Rightfully so. Coward.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Washington is almost certainly going to elect a Republican governor (Rob McKenna) this year, for the first time in 32 years. Rob is a good guy and I am wholeheartedly supporting him. Washington is very fiscally conservative and very socially tolerant. Reagan won Washington in 1980 and 1984. Neither Romney or Ryan are known as extreme social conservatives. Given the lousy economy, it's still improbable, but not impossible to think that a strong national GOP tide could sweep Washington this year. So, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Romney / Ryan. There is no other choice.
Yada, yada, yada... You are the guy who claims that there is no difference between Romney and Obama, yet when you took a test to actually compare your views, you agreed with Obama 1% and Romney 61%. Your extremist rhetoric has not and will never attract allies who can help you succeed. Yes, Ryan is a big government neo-con. BUT, Obama is a communist-inspired, black liberation theology-influenced, academic, nincompoop who is hell bent on destroying the "evil" constitution that those awful "dead white males" created more than 200 year ago. You are just too STUBBORN (or STUPID) to admit that Obama is very different and much worse than the run of the mill politicians that we've had to deal with for the last 100 years. No one should listen to you this year. With all due respect to Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode -- they picked the wrong year to run. We have to get rid of Obama at all costs. PERIOD.
SURE there is. You're just too much of a coward to admit that. And THAT is why you feel "dirty."
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
I will not. Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
You are the guy who claims that there is no difference between Romney and Obama, yet when you took a test to actually compare your views, you agreed with Obama 1% and Romney 61%. Disinfo Tactic #4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Ah, the truth comes out... Who'd have guessed that would ever happen???? Thanks for confirming everything I've been saying. I'll not bother to address the rest of your post, since it's all merely posturing to keep you from being too embarrassed by your own regrettable lack of substance. You also confirm the tag-line I'm using: "Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Couldn't agree more. And if we get enough Tea party Conservatives in the house and senate we will have far greater sway over the executive.
What will you be doing to see that Obama doesn't get another term?
NOT ME!!!! That's going to be one sweet way to tell the communist scumbag to "KISS MY ASS" Romney told bam to eat shit when he picked bam's most formidable opponent as his running mate. Ryan destroyed obamacare while bam and biden sat in a stupor. I may have to move back to illinois so I can vote 50 to a 100 times. Hell, i'm getting happy already.
lol
By voting in a slightly less communist scumbag?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
What makes you think it matters anymore????? You better break out of your normalcy bias.... there's not much time left.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
More than half of adults regularly don't vote. In some elections, 75% of adults don't vote. VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything??? How does that work? Please tell us.
Yep, 2010 was the most encouraging election in my life. 80+ new House members. 300+ new State Legislatures. For the first time in my life I can name more than 1 or 2 really good people in Congress. This year, we kicked out the most senior GOP Senator (Dick Lugar) in the GOP primary. That's a major accomplishment. Things are changing. Yet, there are too many dimwits who aren't paying attention. We all need to stop pissing and moaning and start paying attention.
You keep posting the same thing over and over again. What you post didn't originate with you. This is another person's model. Do you have an original thought in your brain? I suspect that you do, but you are too afraid to post it. Why are you such a coward?
What you post didn't originate with you. This is another person's model. Do you have an original thought in your brain? I suspect that you do, but you are too afraid to post it. Why are you such a coward? You have a lot of nerve calling out a poster for doing what you do everyday, which is: deliberately attributing a quote to a wrong poster and then posting it "over and over again". Why are you such a coward?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
How does that work? Please tell us. I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (say GOP for instance) do you think the GOP would get the hint and start recruiting better candidates??? Or would they just go off and slash their wrists?? :-)...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Aww, you're still sore because I exposed you for the money-grubbing whore you really are. "Better put some *ice* on that..." ;-)
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Sure. You keep trying to repackage your cowardice, so that it appears as though it's something else. I'm not one who buys your bullshit. What you post didn't originate with you. This is another person's model. The rules of disinfo are well- known; I even posted an article on the subject just this morning. So what's your *point,* dipshit? The quote from Michael Rivero is *cited* in my sig. The observation about free men rejecting false choices, is MY observation, thus there is no citation required. Oh, and BTW, you're using the typical straw-man argument, to divert attention from your complete LACK of a moral core. Amusing. You failed, but at least you're entertaining- albeit in a pathetic manner. Thanks for the laughs, dipshit.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (say GOP for instance) do you think the GOP would get the hint and start recruiting better candidates??? When most people stay home, it robs the elitists in goobermint of what they want MOST: legitimacy. Without that, their power-base becomes unstable.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
"Better put some *ice* on that..." In your dreams....
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
If it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents. Obama can't be influenced by public opinion. Romney can be pushed. His finger is in the wind. If pressure is kept up. Romney can be pushed in your direction. If people who think like you are numerous enough.
Just a second. If you don't even vote in the primaries. How are you say going to get a better candidate? Do you sit around and wait for others in the primary to pick someone good? Then start voting? Seems to me we are going to have to get more people voting in the primaries to achieve those better candidates. But we are beyond that point now. Now it is Romney or Obama. Speaking totally logically and no emotion. One of them will be the next President. It will affect us all, our kids, our grand kids. We can sit on the sidelines or try to get rid of Obama. So everyone go get registered to vote. Just in case you change your mind on election day.
Don't you think they know what turnout should be on the average voting day... Now if all of a sudden voting dropped off 90% or so don't you think that would send them a message... Now do you get a questionaire before voting time wanting to know your opinion and asking for a campaign contribution??? If so what if you filled it out telling them exactly how you feel about them being a POS and told them to take a hike on a contribution (which is what I do)... What if everybody started doing that, do you think they would get the hint then?? Ideally this should have been done a long time ago before things got this bad, but oh well what can you say the average voter is a drip... They aren't engaged until the other side does something so totally phucked up (ObozoCare) then all of a sudden wake up and say we don't want that... Statistics show that politicians are usually about 10 years behind what the voters are thinking. Is that because the politicians are dense?? ... or is it because the voters won't get engaged and send their Party nastgrams explaining to them how they suck and what kind of candidate they want to vote for...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Yes it would send a message. The message to the democrats would be. Man we just won in a lanslide. We have a mandate. Individuals choose to run. If they see a democratic marxist landslide. They see that the "good" side only got 5 percent. They wouldn't even bother running. The democrats would demagogue the issue and the country would be gone.; Less and less people are voting. It doesn't seem to be working.
Who is they? I don't think "they" would get the hint. Because "they" already have their opinions and beliefs and aren't going to suddenly start championing someone they disagree with. No "we" have to vote for someone who thinks like us. They will never think like us. We have to outnumber and overwhelm them.
Ideally this should have been done a long time ago before things got this bad, but oh well what can you say the average voter is a drip... They aren't engaged until the other side does something so totally phucked up (ObozoCare) then all of a sudden wake up and say we don't want that... Statistics show that politicians are usually about 10 years behind what the voters are thinking. Is that because the politicians are dense?? ... or is it because the voters won't get engaged and send their Party nastgrams explaining to them how they suck and what kind of candidate they want to vote for... I always fill out their questionairs and give them hell on them. For instance I remember one of the questions was do you want the GOP to stand by the Constitution, I told them I don't want them to stand by it, I want them to adhere to it and follow the rule of law. I know many other people that do the same on those questionaires and they too have quit giving to the GOP and rather give to individual candidates. You are advocating that the citizen average Joe Shmoe not vote and leave it in the hands of the Corporation lobbyiests. Just how does removing the citizen vote sway the parties one way or another?
Hmm. Interesting take. The simple answer for me, though, is really simple: voting for "the lesser of two evils" gives tacit *approval* of evil. To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
You contradict yourself. In my case, I am fighting for my cause. I will NOT, however, fight or in any way support those that are in opposition to my cause- which is exactly what you preach. You've no idea what moral courage is, as your contradiction in the first sentence aptly demonstrates. You're merely another sheeple, following along with the latest iteration of group-think. "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD??? SHOW me such men (and women), and than you'll have a point. Until then....? Well, keep chewing your cud. "Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
So your "moral courage" is sitting on your hands while others at the local, state and national level are working to get those men and women in office who DO have the qualities you're bloviating about. Sorry, not buying your argument in the least. You are just another apathetic citizen who talks all moral outrage and then does nothing.
Oh, and worse than that, you attempt to sway others to do nothing as well, all the while putting forth that to do nothing is "moral courage"!
Saying absolutely nothing to your State and Local GOP office and then going to the voting booth and voting for the run of the mill Establishment POS isn't working either!!! They are just like the fools you vote against.... You either annoy the hell out of them and tell them why they suck ass or just shut up and keep on voting for fools... Everybody has a choice and they seem to be making it...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
What Party do you vote for??? That is "THEY"... If you don't say anything and then vote for them, they think you like the BS they are shoveling... And isn't that what's happening now, they keep right on running the same Pieces Of Schitt because they think the voters like them.... And isn't that what's taking the country down the tubes right now, nobody saying to them in a united voice "YOU GUYS SUCK ASS, IT'S TIME YOU LEFT TOWN"!!!!!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Isn't that pretty much where it is right now??? How much does your vote seem be to worth right now??? Not much because things are going down the drain in a hurry...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Good for you, now if "EVERYBODY" would do that do you think that would get their attention???? Seeing 100-200 million people all saying the same thing should open their eyes... And if it doesn't then the people need to close them permanently for them.....
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
A quote from Claire Wolfe best applies, here: And because of increasingly draconian penalties and electronic tracking mechanisms, our "lawbreaking" places us and our families in greater jeopardy every day. The question is: What are we going to do about it? Write a nice, polite letter to your congressperson? Hey, if you think that'll help, I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying. (And it isn't your "bridge to the future," either.) Vote "better people" into office? Oh yeah, that's what we thought we were doing in 1994. Work to fight one bad bill or another? Okay. What will you do about the 10 or 20 or 100 equally horrible bills that will be passed behind your back while you were fighting that little battle? And let's say you defeat a nightmare bill this year. What are you going to do when they sneak it back in, at the very last minute, in some "omnibus legislation" next year? And what about the horrors you don't even learn about until two or three years after they become law? Should you try fighting these laws in the courts? Where do you find the resources? Where do you find a judge who doesn't have a vested interest in bigger, more powerful government? And again, for every one case decided in favor of freedom, what do you do about the 10, 20 or 100 in which the courts decide against the Bill of Rights? Perhaps you'd consider trying to stop the onrush of these horrors with a constitutional amendment--maybe one that bans "omnibus" bills, requires that every law meet a constitutional test or requires all congresspeople to sign statements that they've read and understood every aspect of every bill on which they vote. Good luck! Good luck, first, on getting such an amendment passed. Then good luck getting our Constitution-scorning "leaders" to obey it. It is true that liberty requires eternal vigilance, and part of that vigilance has been, traditionally, keeping a watchful eye on laws and on lawbreaking lawmakers. But given the current pace of law spewing and unconstitutional regulation-writing, you could watch, plead and struggle "within the system" 24 hours a day for your entire life and end up infinitely less free than when you began. Why throw your life away on a futile effort? Face it. If "working within the system" could halt tyranny, the tyrants would outlaw it. Why do you think they encourage you to vote, to write letters, to talk to them in public forums? It's to divert your energies. To keep you tame. "The system" as it presently exists is nothing but a rat maze. You run around thinking you're getting somewhere. Your masters occasionally reward you with a little pellet that encourages you to believe you're accomplishing something. And in the meantime, you are as much their property and their pawn as if you were a slave. In the effort of fighting them on their terms and with their authorized and approved tools, you have given your life's energy to them as surely as if you were toiling in their cotton fields, under the lash of their overseer. The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me. (Unlike congresspeople, who think they can decide for everybody.) But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities. There are thousands of avenues to take, and this is something most of still need to give more thought to before we can build an effective resistance. We will each choose the courses that are right for our own circumstances, personalities and beliefs. Whatever we do, though, we must remember that we are all, already, outlaws. Not one of us can be certain of getting through a single day without violating some law or regulation we've never even heard of. We are all guilty in the eyes of today's "law." If someone in power chooses to target us, we can all, already, be prosecuted for something. And I'm sure you know that your claims of "good intentions" won't protect you, as the similar claims of politicians protect them. Politicians are above the law. YOU are under it. Crushed under it. When you look at it that way, we have little left to lose by breakings laws creatively and purposefully. Yes, some of us will suffer horrible consequences for our lawbreaking. It is very risky to actively resist unbridled power. It is especially risky to go public with resistance (unless hundreds of thousands publicly join us), and it becomes riskier the closer we get to tyranny. For that reason, among many others, I would never recommend any particular course of action to anyone--and I hope you'll think twice before taking "advice" from anybody about things that could jeopardize your life or well-being. But if we don't resist in the best ways we know how--and if a good number of us don't resist loudly and publicly--all of us will suffer the much worse consequences of living under total oppression. And whatever courses of action we choose, we must remember that this legislative "revolution" against We the People will not be stopped by politeness. It will not be stopped by requests. It will not be stopped by "working within a system" governed by those who regard us as nothing but cattle. It will not be stopped by pleading for justice from those who will resort to any degree of trickery or violence to rule us. It will not be stopped unless we are willing to risk our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors to stop it. I think of the words of Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." You still believe in the integrity of the system, even when all evidence shows that the system is utterly broken. Even when confronted with the fact that o'Bungler and mcRomneyStain are both bought-and-paid-for by the same people, despite the fact that they both lie 84% of the time (as documented on another thread at this forum), you still believe there is a difference. You actively choose orthodoxy over truth. So sorry, but you mistake your blind faith as fact, and objective, demonstrable fact as an "argument" than you can simply dismiss. You choose orthodoxy over truth. My current actions- noncooperation with the police-state, and boycotting the Kabuki theater we laughably refer to as "elections"- carry more weight, than stupidly following the same tired script, over and over, while nothing really changes. I follow the truth. You adhere to orthodoxy, and ignore the truth. "The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus, "The Matrix" I feel sorry for you... I really do. Despite all your proclamations, you absolutely refuse to think... You will eventually find that official orthodoxy has nothing to do with truth. And when you do learn the truth, the price you pay will be... severe. Pity. BTW, you said: What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD??? SHOW me such men (and women), and than you'll have a point. Since you think you're so sharp, why don't you ANSWER me???
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD???
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Oh, and worse than that, you attempt to sway others to do nothing as well, all the while putting forth that to do nothing is "moral courage"! What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD???
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Well let me know how your refusal to vote works out for all USA patriots concerned with the status quo. And when you find a viable alternative such as mass resistance, let me know how that goes as well. If you have a true alternative to correcting the state of tyranny we are now in I would be only to happy to join if it can be shown that this resistance will alter that status quo. In the mean time it might behoove you to fill your rank and file more effectively if you engage in meaningful dialog rather than bloviating ad hominum.
FIXED. Now, let's get back to your statement, and my questions to you: You said: You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight. MY RESPONSE IS THE FOLLOWING SERIES OF QUESTIONS: What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD??? Now, what are your answers? You profess to know how to "engage in the fight." Answer the questions, or admit that it is YOU who is "bloviating ad hominum." [sic] In other words, PUT UP OR SHUT UP, bimbo.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Aren't we all sinners and capable of evil. So no matter what wouldn't it always be a lesser of evil. Or greater good would be the other way to look at it.
Yes, we're all capable. It's another thing to actively choose evil... But you already knew that, so this is just a red herring. You proclaim such a deep appreciation for the Bible, then preach moral relativism to me??? Your overt hypocrisy disgusts me. Oh, you can mouth the words, but the real meaning is completely lost on you. In other words, you're just a pretender, like I have long suspected...
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Are you truly so frickin' naive that you think politics is ever going to be an honorable profession and that no man will not be corrupted? If so, you are not in the least ready for "Prime Time". I mean really?
Than you admit you stand with corrupt people. THANK YOU for proving my point. Bye, bozo.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Another totally ignorant statement. All people are subject to being corrupted. But it doesn't mean that all people will be corrupted. I think you are looking for a perfect person. Good luck with that search or demand as it were. Especially among politicians.
No offense, but that's a hypothetical question that has no basis in the real world. As long as there is voting, some people will vote. As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system. It's the difference between the real world and theory. I live in the real world, where voting is seen as the ultimate expression of popular sovereignty. So, not voting doesn't mean anything -- it doesn't send any message and it will not change anything. I want to change something. Right now, I want to change the President. The ONLY way we can change the President is by voting for Romney.
100% correct. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
jw: 100% correct. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -- Edmund Burke What crap. Claire Wolfe stated it best: But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities. Your belief that by refusing to cooperate with the rigged game is doing "nothing." Your beliefs are demonstrably false, as I have shown time and again. Only when a man lacks moral courage, when he has surrendered his freedom and his integrity, will he allow himself to participate the illusion of freedom, rather than freedom itself. He'll mouth the appropriate platitudes, and thereafter attack those who have not yielded to their fears, cursing and condemning them, because they remind him of what he once was, and is no more... -CAPITALIST ERIC Keep mouthing those empty platitudes, to justify your lack of courage...
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Here is a hypothetical for you: Let's suppose that most people who pay taxes stop voting. What would be the result? Only government employees and other recipients of government handouts will vote. I saw this when I grew up in Michigan. It's called a school tax levy in August, when most people are on vacation, but school teachers have nothing better to do than vote. As long as government employees and welfare recipients show up to vote, NOT voting will have a NEGATIVE IMPACT. You are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think that government bureaucrats are going to stop voting,
Pass. I'm not interested in "hypothetical" situations. I'm interested in reality and TRUTH, wherever they lay. Talk about data. Talk about FACT. Leave the "hypothetical" situations for undergrad communists who don't have anything between their ears...
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
Don't you think they keep close tabs on who actually comes out and votes.. I hear all the time about how one side or the other is having reduced voter turnout... Now if nobody voted GOP (lets say) and only half of the normal voters showed up don't you think that would send a message.. That only a few wants a handout but the rest want something better than what the GOP is offering... Now I realize you would have to do this selectively with the worst candidates and not whole hog but it "should" send a message... If it doesn't then I would have to say they are pretty phucking dense...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
The vote is the only thing we have. When that is gone, that's it.
Have you never heard of "apathy"? Thousands don't vote all across the nation. Has it made a difference?
Try millions.... Has it made a difference because of the ones who "DO" go and vote religiously??? Sure doesn't look like it to me, we're one or two presidents away from the spinning abyss of the toilet.. And it's because the ones who do vote have never sent them a message like "get better candidates"..... They just keep showing up in the same numbers and keep voting for the same bunch of never will be's and retreads... So what do you think the establishment thinks because of this?? THAT WE "WANT" MORE MODERATES AND RINOs!! which is just exactly the opposite of the truth.... That's the message the voters have sent and the establishment has heard it loud and clear, enjoy the abyss when it comes.... And you better have a good sized stash of Febreeze and vinyl gloves handy!! Because if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd and tastes like a turd it probably is a turd... But they can go ahead and try to pick it up by the clean end and say it's something else, like usual!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
That makes no sense at all. There is no "they" who is going to pick some magical good candidate if we don't vote.
So what you're saying is that you voters "DON'T" think you can send a message to the establishment, do you?? Then why go vote?? Especially if you know it's for some POS?? What message is that sending other than "Here, come and get me I'm all bent over with my pants around my ankles"!!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
The message you want has been being sent repeatedly for the last 40 plus years. It is the reason we are where we are. Because good people didn't vote. The establishemtn is never going to pick a good candidate. The good candidate will come from the grass roots. We had one pretty good candidate on the ballot this time. Ron Paul. Did you vote for him? Or do you think he is not good enough? Romney vs Obama is a no brainer.
You have no relationship with reality whatsoever.
No it wouldn't. Look at my earlier example of August elections in Michigan on school tax levies. The typical turnout would be 23% (less than half of normal November elections) and they always passed overwhelming. The low turnouts and lopsided victories for more taxes never send any message. All it did is give us more taxes. Half of Americans collect government checks today. Another Obama term and that will be up to 60% or more. At that point, we'll might as kiss America goodbye, because the people who collect money from the government vote.
Look what happened in 2010. We elected 80 new Congressmen for a net gain of 60 seats for the GOP. The current GOP House is the most conservative since before the Great Depression. It's an enormous change from the go along to get along days of Bob Michael and Dennis Hastert. The GOP also had a net gain of 680 new state Legislative seats. The GOP holds more seats in State Legislatures than they have since 1928. The Senate is still not there, but we finally have a core of great people in the Senate like Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Mike Lee, and Tom Colburn. Yet, there are all of these numskulls who think that nothing has changed. It's unbelievable how stubborn people can be.
Let me ask you a question.... when was the last time you went to a GOP rally for one of their candidates?? What did you hear when you went there??? Did you hear the voters tell he/she they sucked ass or did you hear them cheering and applause!! What you heard is the message the voters are sending to the establishment!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
The good candidate will come from the grass roots. Now how do you plan on getting a grass roots candidate nominated much less elected if the establishment has their delegates in place at the state level!!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
So says the dummy who started this thread, with the revealing title "Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?" You feel dirty because you know they're no better than o'Bungler/hair-plugs. You feel dirty because you're falling for the same false choice as always. You feel dirty because you're going to play the same bogus game, and you know it's insanity to do the same thing over and over, expecting different results. YOU FEEL DIRTY BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO FACE REALITY: “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” - Professor Carroll Quigley, 1966 CHECK-MATE.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
I'm not talking about not voting. I'm talking about putting my money where my mouth is, and voting for THE most conservative candidate in the race, whomever that may be. Just like I have done before and will do again. And it works a hell of a lot better than voting for a freaking liberal. You chickenshit fake conservatives looking down on others who won't vote for your Massachusetts liberal make me laugh. How about you tell us how that works? Or...what does voting for liberals get you? Look around doofus. I'm not voting for your Massachusetts metrosexual liberal. I vote for conservatives. Deal with that however you need to.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
You didn't answer the question. How is voting for Virgil Goode, Gary Johnson, writing in Ron Paul's name, or just not voting at all going to help get rid of Obama? How??? Tell us.
He should feel really embarrassed and dumb for being suckered into the Lesser- of-two-evils con game.
How is voting for Virgil Goode, Gary Johnson, writing in Ron Paul's name, or just not voting at all going to help get rid of Obama? How??? Tell us. You're asking me to explain your false premise. And I cannot, or more accurately, I will not. I never said my priority was to get rid of Obama. My priority is to vote for conservatives, and that is what I do and have done. Your priority is to get rid of Obama, and you will vote for another liberal, statist, big government clone of Obama to try to make that happen. You're caught up in a shell game where there is no pea. You keep choosing and keep losing. Even if Romney wins, you still lose. Shit son, you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off, not knowing what to do, acting completely on your fears, running down conservatives who vote for conservatives, when the logical solution to your problem is right in front of you. Don't vote for liberals. A liberal with an R after his name, is still a liberal. You don't support a liberal agenda? Then don't vote for liberals. If you do vote for liberals, then stfu and get out of my face.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
Is Mitt Romney liberal on say taxes?
So here’s a test: Are you a Republican politician who would desperately like to distance yourself from Akin? Answer these seven simple questions first. 1. You’ve said that Congressman Akin’s remarks offended you. Can you explain, in your own words, what about them offended you? Was it just that he was wrong about how conception works, or do you see more problems in his statement? Please be specific; vague references to “empathy” don’t count. 2. Congressman Akin used the phrase “legitimate rape.” If you haven’t addressed that in question No. 1, can you do so now? Is it a phrase that you would use, or countenance, or one that you would object to? Also, Akin co-sponsored legislation changing a statutory reference to “rape” to “forcible rape.” Is that a bill you voted for, or would? 3. Do you support access to abortion for victims of rape? Have you ever voted on or introduced legislation, or signed a pledge, addressing that point? Would you require any qualifications—for example, would there need to be a criminal conviction first? Do you support access to abortion for anyone besides rape victims? 4. How about emergency contraception, also known as the morning-after pill? A University of California Study estimated that, in 1998, twenty-five thousand women became pregnant as the result of rape, and that twenty-two thousand of those could potentially have been prevented with emergency contraception. Would you classify this as abortion? Should all women, whatever their circumstances, have access to the morning-after pill? And should health insurance cover non-emergency contraception? 5. Congressman Akin is an educated man. Do you think this incident shows that there are shortcomings in sex education and scientific literacy in America? Would you support increased sex education? And could organizations like Planned Parenthood have a role to play there? 6. You and your colleagues have called on Akin to withdraw from the Senate race against Claire McCaskill. Why? Do you think that he is unfit to serve, or do you just think that he will lose? 7. Can you talk about what you’ve done in your political career to help victims of sexual violence? Have you listened to those women’s—and men’s, and children’s—stories?
On the contrary, jwpegler is actually advocating the con! He wrote the article, and then defends the fraud. Insanity.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
It's obvious that you don't have any solutions at all on how to fix the country other than this: You'll stand on your tippie toes, close you eyes, click your heals together, and wish real hard that everyone will write in Ron Paul's name on the ballet. Unfortunately for you, we don't live in OZ. We live in the real world where just wishing something will happen is equivalent to giving up. You and your cohorts don't have any answers except to piss and moan. Pissing and moaning won't do a damn thing to help.
Mitt and McCain both lost in '08, so we'll never know for sure how much worse off we'd be now if one of them had won, or if it'd be about the same as the Obama presidency. It seems likely that we would have already attacked Iran, but that's just a guess of course. GOP bots would be praising They both lost in '08, and Mitt fixin' to go down in history as a two time loser.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Complaining is not a solution. I'm done with you, Whiny Eric, and stinkypete. There is no point, because you are all losers and morons.
You'll stand on your tippie toes, close you eyes, click your heals together, and wish real hard that everyone will write in Ron Paul's name on the ballet. Unfortunately for you, we don't live in OZ. We live in the real world where just wishing something will happen is equivalent to giving up. You and your cohorts don't have any answers except to piss and moan. Pissing and moaning won't do a damn thing to help. How many times do I have to say, "VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVES"!?!??? That is the solution. That's not standing on tippy toes and wishing for anything. That is standing by your convictions and actually walking the walk. Something which you obviously haven't learned to do yet. Listen junior, you are the one advocating for voting for a Massachusetts liberal! That's doing something that will help??????? LOL! Hell no it isn't, and you know it. So stomp your feet and hold your breath, but I'm still not voting for a liberal.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
There is no point, because you are all losers and morons. ...says the man who is trying to get you to vote for a liberal.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
Yeah,WE aren't going to vote for somebody we DO NOT want to see in office,so WE are the morons. Good call!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That is the solution. I voted for Ron Paul this year (as well as in 1988). I did a lot more than just vote for him in both years. (I can elaborate if you'd like). Right now, there are only two people on the ballot who could be President in 2013 -- Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. This is called reality. What are you going to do to get rid of Barack Obama? What is your solution? Remember math class in Jr. High? Solve for the problem -- how to get rid of Barack Obama. What is your answer and how did you get to the answer?
No...the problem is that we have 2 people running for the highest office of the land that HATE the Constitution and the freedoms expoused in it. How you think voting for Romney, another GLOBALIST, that loves NDAA, the Patriot act, the TSA and drones spying on Americans, as the lessor of 2 evils, is indicative of your level of maturity. The USSR had elections...the people got to chose between a Communist and another Communist. The PTB COUNT on rubes like you. I WILL NOT vote for someone that LOATHES the documents this country was founded on...you need to go a pair, and stop begging folks to surrender their love of freedom, and the Constitution, which MILLIONS of people have died defending...something that as beyond your abilty to grasp.
You are a kook. Just admit it.
dummy: You are a kook. Just admit it. Calling someone who refuses to vote for evil "a kook," yet calls those who expect the government to live within the limitations of the Constitution "cultists," makes YOU the "kook." You have finally lost it. You've demonstrated an incapacity for critical thinking and logic, instead falling back to the rules of disinformation, personal attacks, hyperbole and logical fallacies to keep pushing a clearly flawed agenda. You're not part of the solution, bubba... You're part of the problem.
"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
and you're a statist shill that "believes" voting for a Constitutional hating, freedom robbing globalist is in the best interest of the country...and have the temerity to condemn those that actually won't follow your cowardly lead.
...no, he IS the problem...I have more respect for someone that flat out says they're a Communist vs. this moron that "clames" to love the Constitution and votes exactly the opposite. And then, like the moral coward he is, he condems those with the courage of their convictions to stand by, and support, people that will uphold the Constitution and the rule of law. Hitler must have been talking about JW when he made this statement... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolf Hitler German Nazi dictator, orator, & politician (1889 - 1945)
Very simple. It's always good to get rid of a candidate that was financed by the left.
And the sad thing is that you're a woman and that you're serious. you're serious that there's a Difference between Akin/GOP. you're serious that there is a left. you're serious that the left has the Wealth of the Top 400 and does what the Kleptocracy/Plutocracy has been doing since JFK's assassination and Nixon defaulting on gold. That a Hurricane and the GOP can come together in one spot can Only be God's Will....right Pat Robertson?.....BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....8D
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: jwpegler (#0)
I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.
But I just feel really dirty doing so.
#3. To: hondo68 (#1)
Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#5. To: jwpegler (#3)
There is no other choice.
#6. To: jwpegler (#0)
I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.
#7. To: jwpegler (#4)
Yada, yada, yada...
Ryan is a big government neo-con.
#8. To: jwpegler (#4)
#9. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)
#10. To: jwpegler (#0)
But I just feel really dirty doing so.
#11. To: calcon (#10)
#12. To: calcon (#10)
That's going to be one sweet way to tell the communist scumbag to "KISS MY ASS"
#13. To: SJN (#9)
What will you be doing to see that Obama doesn't get another term?
#14. To: We The People (#6)
(Edited)
Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#15. To: SJN (#8)
Couldn't agree more. And if we get enough Tea party Conservatives in the house and senate we will have far greater sway over the executive.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#16. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)
Disinfo Tactic #....
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#17. To: jwpegler, Capitalist Eric (#16)
You keep posting the same thing over and over again.
#18. To: jwpegler (#14)
VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???
#19. To: mininggold (#17)
#20. To: jwpegler (#16)
You keep posting the same thing over and over again.
#21. To: CZ82 (#18)
VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything??? How does that work? Please tell us.
#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
Aww, you're still sore because I exposed you for the money-grubbing whore you really are.
#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#5)
#24. To: CZ82 (#18)
I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (say GOP for instance) do you think the GOP would get the hint and start recruiting better candidates???
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Just a second. If you don't even vote in the primaries. How are you say going to get a better candidate?
#26. To: CZ82 (#25)
Now if all of a sudden voting dropped off 90% or so don't you think that would send them a message...
#27. To: CZ82 (#25)
What if everybody started doing that, do you think they would get the hint then??
#28. To: CZ82 (#25)
Now do you get a questionaire before voting time wanting to know your opinion and asking for a campaign contribution??? If so what if you filled it out telling them exactly how you feel about them being a POS and told them to take a hike on a contribution (which is what I do)... What if everybody started doing that, do you think they would get the hint then??
#29. To: A K A Stone (#23)
f it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents.
#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)
To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.
#31. To: SJN (#30)
I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause.
Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage".
-Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
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#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)
#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)
#34. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Less and less people are voting. It doesn't seem to be working.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Now do you get a questionaire before voting time wanting to know your opinion and asking for a campaign contribution??? If so what if you filled it out telling them exactly how you feel about them being a POS and told them to take a hike on a contribution (which is what I do)... What if everybody started doing that, do you think they would get the hint then??
#36. To: SJN (#28)
You are advocating that the citizen average Joe Shmoe not vote and leave it in the hands of the Corporation lobbyists
#37. To: SJN (#28)
I always fill out their questionairs and give them hell on them. For instance I remember one of the questions was do you want the GOP to stand by the Constitution, I told them I don't want them to stand by it, I want them to adhere to it and follow the rule of law. I know many other people that do the same on those questionaires and they too have quit giving to the GOP and rather give to individual candidates.
#38. To: SJN (#32)
(Edited)
We are no longer law-abiding citizens. We have lost our law-abiding status. There are simply too many laws to abide.
Sorry, not buying your argument in the least.
You are just another apathetic citizen who talks all moral outrage and then does nothing.
You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
#39. To: SJN (#32)
You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
#40. To: SJN (#33)
You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
#41. To: Capitalist Eric (#40)
#42. To: SJN (#41)
Well let me know how your refusal
to vote works to participate in a FRAUD...
#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)
The simple answer for me, though, is really simple: voting for "the lesser of two evils" gives tacit *approval* of evil.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
Aren't we all sinners and capable of evil.
So no matter what wouldn't it always be a lesser of evil. Or greater good would be the other way to look at it.
#45. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)
Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD???
#46. To: SJN (#45)
Are you truly so frickin' naive that you think politics is ever going to be an honorable profession and that no man will not be corrupted?
#47. To: Capitalist Eric (#46)
#48. To: CZ82 (#18)
I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#49. To: SJN (#30)
I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#50. To: jwpegler (#49)
SJN: I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me. (Unlike congresspeople, who think they can decide for everybody.)
#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)
(Edited)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#52. To: Capitalist Eric, CZ82, SJN, All (#50)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#53. To: jwpegler (#52)
Here is a hypothetical for you:
#54. To: jwpegler (#48)
As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system.
#55. To: jwpegler (#48)
#56. To: CZ82 (#54)
#57. To: SJN (#56)
Have you never heard of "apathy"? Thousands don't vote all across the nation. Has it made a difference?
#58. To: CZ82 (#57)
Has it made a difference because of the ones who "DO" go and vote religiously??? Sure doesn't look like it to me, we're one or two presidents away from the spinning abyss of the toilet.. And it's because the ones who do vote have never sent them a message like "get better candidates"...
#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)
That makes no sense at all. There is no "they" who is going to pick some magical good candidate if we don't vote.
#60. To: CZ82 (#59)
So what you're saying is that you voters "DON'T" think you can send a message to the establishment, do you??
#61. To: Capitalist Eric (#53)
I'm interested in reality
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#62. To: CZ82 (#54)
Now if nobody voted GOP (lets say) and only half of the normal voters showed up don't you think that would send a message
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#63. To: A K A Stone (#60)
(Edited)
The good candidate will come from the grass roots.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)
The message you want has been being sent repeatedly for the last 40 plus years. It is the reason we are where we are. Because good people didn't vote.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#60)
The establishemtn is never going to pick a good candidate.
#66. To: jwpegler (#61)
Capitalist Eric: I'm interested in reality
dummy: You have no relationship with reality whatsoever.
#67. To: jwpegler (#14)
VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???
#68. To: We The People (#67)
(Edited)
chickenshit... fake... freaking liberal... metrosexual...
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#69. To: jwpegler (#0)
But I just feel really dirty doing so.
#70. To: jwpegler (#68)
You didn't answer the question.
#71. To: We The People (#70)
#72. To: A K A Stone, SJN, Any Women at LF, All (#71)
#73. To: Don (#69)
He should feel really embarrassed and dumb for being suckered into the Lesser- of-two-evils con game.
#74. To: We The Peoplem capitalist eric, hondo68, sneakypete, sjn, A K A Stone (#70)
(Edited)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#75. To: We The People, capitalist eric, hondo68, sneakypete, sjn, A K A Stone (#70)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#76. To: jwpegler (#75)
ObamaRomneyCare if Mitt had won, count on it.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#77. To: hondo68 (#76)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#78. To: jwpegler (#75)
It's obvious that you don't have any solutions at all on how to fix the country other than this:
#79. To: jwpegler, hondo68, Capitalist Eric, Sneakypete (#77)
I'm done with you, Whiny Eric, and stinkypete.
#80. To: jwpegler (#77)
There is no point, because you are all losers and morons.
#81. To: We The People (#78)
(Edited)
How many times do I have to say, "VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVES"!?!???
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#82. To: jwpegler (#81)
Remember math class in Jr. High? Solve for the problem -- how to get rid of Barack Obama.
#83. To: freedomsnotfree (#82)
we have 2 people running for the highest office of the land that HATE the Constitution and the freedoms expoused in it
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#84. To: jwpegler, freedomsnotfree (#83)
freedomsnotfree: we have 2 people running for the highest office of the land that HATE the Constitution and the freedoms expoused in it
#85. To: jwpegler (#83)
(Edited)
#86. To: Capitalist Eric, jwpegler (#84)
#87. To: mcgowanjm (#72)
#88. To: SJN (#87)
Very simple. It's always good to get rid of a candidate that was financed by the left.
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