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Title: Lefty Attack: Paul Ryan a Follower of Ayn Rand
Source: Breitbart - Big Government
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern ... Ryan-is-a-Follower-of-Ayn-Rand
Published: Aug 12, 2012
Author: by Warner Todd Huston
Post Date: 2012-08-12 15:41:26 by SJN
Keywords: None
Views: 13808
Comments: 35

It was only minutes after news broke that Paul Ryan was Romney's likely pick for Vice President that leftwingers on Twitter began to needle Ryan as a follower of that mean ol' Ayn Rand, the famed objectivist philosopher of the middle of the last century most famous for writing Atlas Shrugged and for being a proponent of what the left says is a less than compassionate philosophy on humanity.

There is a mistaken belief on the left that Paul Ryan was somehow programmed by Ayn Rand and that his entire budget plan, his Roadmap For America's Future, is somehow one great Randian, or worse Darwinian, exercise in the survival of the strongest. The left also chides him for later turning his back on Rand and pretending his ideas really aren't driven by what they consider to be Ayn Rand's mean-spirited philosophy.

Neither claim is true.

The whole discussion began in 2005, when Paul Ryan gave a presentation before The Atlas Society, an organization dedicated to the ideas of Ayn Rand. Ryan was quite effusive about Rand's work, for sure. A full audio of the meeting is posted at the Society's website, and on it you can hear Ryan really expressing a great enthusiasm for Rand.

One of the things Ryan said is that he requires his staffers to read Atlas Shrugged.

I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are. It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well.

From this the left went off like a dog with a bone imagining that Ryan was claiming to be a full-on Randian.

Then, this year, Paul Ryan gave an interview to National Review, and there he disavowed being a strict devotee of Ayn Rand.

As Ryan told the National Review:

"I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

This, the left said, proves he is a flip flopper or a liar. But, again, none of it is true.

First of all, Ryan does not disavow being a fan of Ayn Rand's work. He fully admits that as a young man he was influenced by her economic theories and her energetic apologia for capitalism. But he has never, ever said he was enamored of her objectivist ideals. There are no quotes from him accepting Rand's strict philosophy.

Another area where Ryan parts company with Ayn Rand reveals a key difference between them. Rand was a vehement opponent of religion -- all religion -- as well as its moral strictures. But Paul Ryan is a committed Catholic. As he stated in the quote above, Ryan has never signed onto her anti-religious ideals. Ryan's compassionate Catholicism is what makes it impossible for him to be a full-throated Randian.

Still, the left claims that Paul Ryan's budget policies are intended to throw grandma out on the street and that he intends an Ayn Rand-like destruction of the welfare state. But the truth is, his Roadmap For America's Future goes out of its way to save the welfare state by paring it down to an economically sustainable form. Ryan is not proposing any end to the welfare state.

Ayn Rand was not nearly so kind. She called the welfare state an imposition of complete immorality on a polity and opposed its construction. Whatever you think of her philosophy, there is no evidence that Paul Ryan ever signed on to all of her ideas.

So, it just isn't true that Paul Ryan is some wild-eyed "objectivist" ready to tear down grandma's safety net. Paul Ryan is clearly a fan of Ayn Rand in many ways. But he is not a Randian objectivist. And he never was.

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#1. To: SJN (#0)

But the truth is, his Roadmap For America's Future goes out of its way to save the welfare state by paring it down to an economically sustainable form. Ryan is not proposing any end to the welfare state.

The welfare state we have now is unsustainable. We will be like Greece around the corner w/o major changes.

And Ryan is the one to give us them. I didn't have much hope Romney would be - not until now.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-08-12   16:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Serenissima Venezia (#1)

required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well.

This is what will allow me to vote for the GOP ticket. I didn't think I'd be able to do it until I read this.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-12   16:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: all (#0)

While Republicrats desperately try to spin the Ryan pick so as to try and shore up the sinking Robamney ship, I ask myself a simple question: How does Ryan make Robamney any less of an authoritarian left-winger with an R behind his name?

I asked this same question last election cycle about McCain-Palin and was never given an acceptable answer. All I got was the assurance that McCain was old and would die in office and that St. Sarah would rise from the ashes and single-handedly save our country from Democrat destruction. I'm sure I will get the same drivel this time too.

The truth of the matter is that Romney is a leftist Republican and that having Ryan on the ticket doesn't change a thing.

Romney is pro-perpetual war. I don't give a darn if you (not you personally SJN) are a fundy-nut who has convinced himself that Jesus has commanded you to exterminate the entire Muslim population in order to protect Israel. If you believe it so strongly then get off your dead ass and go and fight them but leave the US out of it. The country cannot afford it. There are plenty of mainstream, heavy-hitting economists and investors out there claiming that we are on the verge of economic collapse. This collapse won't affect the likes of Robamney, Robama, or their criminal co-conspirators in DC but it will affect me and mine and most of those on this site. I was in both Somalia and Haiti in the 90's while in the army. I know what economic collapse can look like and I'm not voting for some asshole who is determined to bring it just to quench your desire to provide a Muslim blood sacrament to Jesus.

Robamney is also pro-police state. He's on record as being pro-Patriot Act, and pro-Military Commissions Act. He even stated that they didn't go far enough. He also sided with Obama on the NDAA. As such he is not fit to be an elected official of any kind in a constitutional republic, much less the President of these United States.

Spare me the world is going to end if Robama is reelected mantra. I've been hearing that same stuff my entire adult life. You can also spare me with these little rinky-dink "proofs" of how Robama is so much worse than Robamney. So what? The direction Robamny wants to lead the country is the same as Obama's when it comes to perpetual war and the police state. On top of that, I'm not convinced that Robamney would be better than Robama. Bush was 10x worse than Clinton ever thought about being. Bush grew the size of government to an extent Clinton and the Democrats could only have wet dreams about and that's not even including the cost of the WOT. He and the Republicans created the jackboot DHS for crying out loud. Robama has done nothing more than continue what Bush started. Considering the leftist neocon trash Robamney has as advisors there is NOTHING to indicate that Robamney will do anything other than create more war and add to the totalitarian infrastructure Bush and Robama have created and implemented.

On top of that I am convinced that it is the lawless, unaccountable political atmosphere created by both parties in this country that is the leading cause of the police brutality cases posted multiple times a day (and growing) on this and other sites. Do you think the two parties are unaware of this trend? Not only are they aware of it, they approve of it. The more they make us cower the easier it is to implement their agenda.

I know I'm wasting my breath. People are going to vote how they are going to vote and that's fine. That's the American way. However, no matter how bad you claim Robama is, if you cast a vote for Robamney, you are telling him and the Republicrat party that you agree with their big government, perpetual war, pro-police state policies. You are giving them the go ahead to not only carry on with everything Bush and Obama have done but Carte blanche to further their totalitarian agenda. They don't give a rat's ass that you only voted for them because Obama was worse. They will claim that your vote gives them a mandate to continue steering the country in the very same direction that Bush-Obama have taken us.

No matter which criminal wins the election the country is screwed and the totalitarian agenda of the Republican-Democrat political machine will be implemented. While my one, third party, pro-freedom vote may not make a bit of a difference at least I'll know that my vote will not be used to help Republican party scum claim that the American people back perpetual war and a police state.

Now bring on the hate. LOL! The more you Republican drones call me a commie, a Democrat, a traitor and all of the other names you like to call anyone who steps outside of the box of the two-party fraud, the happier I am going to be when I make that third party vote.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-08-12   17:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SJN (#2)

This is what will allow me to vote for the GOP ticket. I didn't think I'd be able to do it until I read this.

Excellent.

I think Ryan has definite possibilities for the future (Reagan-like qualities: unwaverable adherence to principles yet with a charm and confidence that draws people in).

I thought Romney questionable until now- this pick has me convinced Romney may be deeper and has more vision than I gave him credit for. And more b*lls to make a controversial choice as well and finally quit playing it safe.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-08-12   19:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Fibr Dog (#3)

Do you think that most of the Conservatives want to vote for Romney? I certainly do not. But I will not sit back and allow that crap that's in there now to remain if my vote for the lesser of the two will boot him out of that office. Yes, I know Romney is no Conservative, but he is going to be far, far better for us fiscally than obama and if you don't want to vote for either that is certainly your choice as it is for all of us. Believe me, if I thought a vote for Paul would put him in office I'd sure as heck vote for the man. Let's see what happens at the convention. But for now, this seems to be what we are faced with.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-12   23:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Serenissima Venezia (#1)

The welfare state we have now is unsustainable.

Really. And the Top 1% gets 98% of it.

Kick 'em off the tit, now!

;}

I've also had to deal with a profession and an office where your last name is the biggest criteria for getting a job. If anyone can be said to be self-made, I can certainly make that claim. I've seen first-hand all the advantages that go to children of privilege. I've had to work twice as hard for half as much.Yet thanks to policies advocated by Romney, I constantly fear becoming homeless and unemployed. Guess what, Willard, some of us didn't get to choose to be born wealthy, and we'd love to borrow money to start a business or go back to school because we fucking can't. And God forbid socialism give us any chance of competing with your overprivileged spawn. No wonder America has the lowest class mobility of any wealthy nation. And it's going to get a lot worse. This also raises a number of other questions:

1. We supposedly celebrate education as a cure-all, but now we're celebrating someone who was at the bottom of their class? Or is "more education" just for poor suckers?

2. Is Jimmy-Johns, a minimum-wage sandwich shop, supposed to the a shining example of the new post-industrial American economy? These guys must be getting pretty desperate.

3. Is everyone supposed to be an entrepreneur? Who will work for these entrepreneurs? Do they deserve any rights at all?

4. Classic survivorship bias - what about all the sandwich shops that didn't make it or went under for whatever reason. I know of many in my area whose food was much better than the swill served up by JJ's. Funny how you never hear about them.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   9:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SJN (#2)

Well then read this and get back on the fence....;}

The Associated Press

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In These Times‎ - 1 hour ago

Despite Romney's claim to be a job creator (the honorary title ... Several news reports, including a late-July Associated Press story, cite ... Obama should engage in—possibly starting in Freeport, as the city's mayor has urged.

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Mayor calls for Obama/Romney debate - Freeport, IL - The Journal ... http://www.journalstandard.com/news/.../Mayor-calls-for-Obama-Romney-...

1 day ago – Freeport Mayor George Gaulrapp Friday reiterated his call for President Barack Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney to hold a debate in Freeport, ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   9:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

So how's that hopey changy thing working out for you?

SJN  posted on  2012-08-13   10:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SJN (#8)

So how's that hopey changy thing working out for you?

Since November 08 when I said there will be no change?

Or earlier than that?

;}

And btw, how's that Population study for # of humans on the planet in ten years coming along?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   11:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mcgowanjm (#9)

Go forth and multiply.

There is no population problem, our problem is locked up resources by our Governments.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-13   11:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SJN (#10)

Go forth and multiply.

There is no population problem, our problem is locked up resources by our Governments.

If you are truly going to follow Ayn Rands teachings you will have to drop your religious mythology.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-08-13   15:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

First of all, Ryan does not disavow being a fan of Ayn Rand's work. He fully admits that as a young man he was influenced by her economic theories and her energetic apologia for capitalism. But he has never, ever said he was enamored of her objectivist ideals. There are no quotes from him accepting Rand's strict philosophy.

Another area where Ryan parts company with Ayn Rand reveals a key difference between them. Rand was a vehement opponent of religion -- all religion -- as well as its moral strictures. But Paul Ryan is a committed Catholic. As he stated in the quote above, Ryan has never signed onto her anti-religious ideals. Ryan's compassionate Catholicism is what makes it impossible for him to be a full-throated Randian.

There is only One that I believe and neither do I follow because I am incapable.

To agree with Rand on capitalism, it is not necessary to be a follower. It isn't necessary to be a "follower" as you put it to embrace things that you agree with.

For you however, that may not be the case. For most of the rest of us though, it is.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-13   15:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SJN (#12)

So just who is this "us" you are speaking for?

Rand believed one couldn't have the steely, sociopathic mind needed to be a true capitalist and still be religious.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-08-13   15:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Serenissima Venezia (#4)

I think Ryan has definite possibilities for the future (Reagan-like qualities: unwaverable adherence to principles yet with a charm and confidence that draws people in).

You're easily impressed.

He's another big-government neocon. If not in word, certainly in deed.

Check it out for yourself...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-13   17:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SJN (#5)

Republicans who "hold their nose" and vote for Romney and Democrats who "hold their nose" and vote for Obama are not voting against "the other guy." Both groups are voting FOR perpetual war and an American police state. Both groups of voters are voting to increase the militarization of local law enforcement and its abuses against the American citizenry. That is what both parties are offering and that is what they are going to give you.....good and hard.

It's your vote though. However, if Romney wins and continues what Bush and Obama have started those of you that voted for him will have absolutely nothing to complain about because you are getting exactly what you wanted. Neither Obama or Romney and his advisers are hiding anything. Both groups have told you what to expect - more war, more death, more debt, more deficits, and more totalitarian legislation and executive orders in the name of freedom and the WOT.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-08-13   17:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fibr Dog (#15)

Indeed. As I have stated on other threads:

When faced with false choices, the free man rejects them.

Only when a man lacks moral courage, when he has surrendered his freedom and his integrity, will he allow himself to participate the illusion of freedom, rather than freedom itself. He'll mouth the appropriate platitudes, and thereafter attack those who have not yielded to their fears, cursing and condemning them, because they remind him of what he once was, and is no more...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-13   18:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#13)

I would say the "us" are we who know that to be in agreement with a person doesn't mean you agree on all points. Unless you're some sycophant who can't think for yourself.

Try not being so obtuse. You only make yourself look stupid.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-13   19:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

1. We supposedly celebrate education as a cure-all, but now we're celebrating someone who was at the bottom of their class? Or is "more education" just for poor suckers?

2. Is Jimmy-Johns, a minimum-wage sandwich shop, supposed to the a shining example of the new post-industrial American economy? These guys must be getting pretty desperate.

3. Is everyone supposed to be an entrepreneur? Who will work for these entrepreneurs? Do they deserve any rights at all?

4. Classic survivorship bias - what about all the sandwich shops that didn't make it or went under for whatever reason. I know of many in my area whose food was much better than the swill served up by JJ's. Funny how you never hear about them.

What policies that Romney is proposing would make you unemployed?

As for your questions, I think we are an overeducated society - in the most worthless forms of education that is. Worthless liberals arts degrees, etc. Each year, we are graduating less engineers and scientists but get more of the degrees that can only be used in leftist careers (like education).

I think the point is the entrepreneurs take the risks, not their employees. Certainly, someone with a patent that creates a business around it is more useful to our society than another sandwich shop - but with the lessening numbers of people learning about physics and math, we (the US) are receiving less patents each year. It's all entertwined.... Dumb down the populace, take away their motivation, and you have socialists waiting to happen.

I think many good restaurants don't make it b/c of financial mismanagement. The quality of the food doesn't seem to be the main factor, sadly. If they can't make a profit, they can't stay in business. Seems most new restaurants (non chains) don't make it.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-08-13   19:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)

I've looked at his budget plan.

Have you?

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-08-13   19:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Serenissima Venezia (#19)

I've looked at his budget plan.

Have you?

No.

But then, that's not why you're really asking, IS it?

Disinfo Tactic #8. Invoke authority.

Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

As I said, what matters are his deeds, not merely his words (and a budget proposal he knew would NEVER get through, allowing him to make any proposal he wanted without fear of its actual passage):

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli

-Voted YES on TARP (2008) -Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs

-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties

-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad

-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Really, you'll have to do MUCH better, if you want to be taken seriously...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-13   19:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SJN (#17)

I would say the "us" are we who know that to be in agreement with a person doesn't mean you agree on all points. Unless you're some sycophant who can't think for yourself.

Try not being so obtuse. You only make yourself look stupid.

Actually those who must always figuratively gather a group around them when expressing an opinion are the ones who look stupid and WEAK.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-08-13   20:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

What policies that Romney is proposing would make you unemployed?

O BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...8D

Nothing the USSA can do will make me unemployed.....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:05:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

As for your questions, I think we are an overeducated society - in the most worthless forms of education that is. Worthless liberals arts degrees, etc. Each year, we are graduating less engineers and scientists but get more of the degrees that can only be used in leftist careers (like education).

Turning back the clock to better days, eh?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

I think the point is the entrepreneurs take the risks, not their employees.

So their wherewithal came from where?

The point of the above.

Another loan maybe?

Cause unless you're in the Top 1%, getting all the Socialism the state can hand out, you're DOA.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

It's all entertwined.... Dumb down the populace, take away their motivation, and you have socialists waiting to happen.

Go over that

'take away their motivation'

again?

I can list some specific reasons why I believe America is finished. When I say "finished" I mean—

* the middle class is kaput * democracy will not reassert itself * there will be no people's revolution

and the like. You get the idea. It might help to think about the crucial differences between the way Americans lived in the year 1912 and the way they live today in 2012."

David Cohen.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

Seems most new restaurants (non chains) don't make it.

MExican/Chinese have a higher success rate.....SWAG.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold (#11) (Edited)

Replying to SV. Please disregard.

Thanx,

Jim

Go forth and multiply.

There is no population problem, our problem is locked up resources by our Governments.

Then you'll have no problem telling me your guess on how many will be on the planet in ten years.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SJN (#10)

Go forth and multiply.

There is no population problem, our problem is locked up resources by our Governments.

Then you'll have no problem telling me your guess on how many will be on the planet in ten years.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SJN (#10)

our problem is locked up resources by our Governments.

Your prodigy, about 5 years from now as

Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Tucson rapidly depopulate,

will curse you.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-13   21:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mcgowanjm (#29)

So Jimmy boy, what do you want to do about it? Kill them maybe?

SJN  posted on  2012-08-14   23:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SJN (#30)

So Jimmy boy, what do you want to do about it? Kill them maybe?

Until you give me your population est for 2022,

it's Mister Jimmie to you.

With your Masters' policy in place, it's

'kill them certainly'.....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-16   9:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#31)

Greenland ice melt record.

4 weeks early.

Another No Winter and 115F in Kansas City next year, there will be riots.....;}

From Mark Grant, author of Out of the Box

The Disease Is Incurable

“I can get no remedy against this consumption of the purse: Borrowing only lingers and lingers it out, But the disease is incurable”

-William Shakespeare, Henry IV

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-16   9:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mcgowanjm (#29)

Your prodigy, about 5 years from now as

Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Tucson rapidly depopulate,

will curse you.

And they are already coming trickling back into California, as they realize that moving from one air conditioned box to another isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Damnit.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-08-16   12:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mininggold (#33)

Damnit.

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-08-17   10:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SJN (#0)

When I was young I read quite a number of her books as well. I tend to dislike her because her writings are too intense, absolute, and shrill. I much prefer Ludwig von Mises and Fredrick Hayek.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-17   11:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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