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Title: How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented?
Source: PU.com
URL Source: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/h ... -theatre-shooting-be-prevented
Published: Jul 24, 2012
Author: Dennis Marcellino
Post Date: 2012-07-24 08:00:32 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 68207
Comments: 120

How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented?

Written on Saturday, July 21, 2012 by Dennis Marcellino

Why didn’t these things happen in the 1950’s? Why didn’t we need airport screenings then? Why didn’t people need to lock their house or car doors then? The answer is simple. There was more order then (especially in families) … which then naturally released more love and peace and security. I lived through it so I know that to be true personally. But a person can verify what I’m saying by listening to the music back then and watching the TV shows and movies. There was a different feeling in the air … even in the most impoverished communities. There was a patriotism in a country that we could be proud of and be united behind. Can we really be proud of today’s music and morals?

Here’s what it boils down to. There is a greater tolerance for “sin” now. And the natural, inbred reaction to sin is anger … to “correct” it and to implement “justice.” But political correctness has not only forced people to swallow that sin, but they even are arrested or sued for trying to speak out against it. But then at some point it explodes … in situations like these and domestic violence, even to the point where adults murder their families. We’re seeing it more and more in the news, whereas I never saw it in the news when I was growing up. The immorality of today’s society has made it very difficult to create and maintain a good marriage and family. And the feelings tied to marriage and family are VERY powerful … and therefore the anger to correct also is great.

The pressures of today are much greater. And pressure has to be released. But the love in a family helped people in the past. That’s why there weren’t a lot of gang murders, even in the black communities, where women were respected and people dressed nice and worked hard. But more than anything, God and His laws were respected above all else. But now we have rampant pornography and out of wedlock births. And those things tear at the family and cause the greatest pressure … in a person’s heart. So then a person either turns to violence or addictions to try to bring their internal experience to a good and not bad state. And poverty isn’t an excuse, because people were still generally civil even in the great depression. And in the Bible Paul says that he has learned to be content whether in poverty or riches. As a person who is devoted to God, I know that to also be true personally. I’m content in all situations JUST because I’m tied to and understand God.

The solution is this: a happy heart doesn’t do violence. And the way to have a happy heart is to love and obey God and just be tied to people who do the same. It’s that simple. But the mainstream institutions constantly work to keep God out of the media and schools. So then kids are pressured to go along with the mainstream.

So what can we do? Don’t vote for a democrat. That party is the party that promotes more and more tolerance to sin. And educate yourself and others to the realities that I’ve stated here.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

Bring the USSA troops from ALL 177 + Nations home Right Now.

Slash the USSA Military budget by 1/2.

Eliminate Cars while the Train System explodes.

And of course the LAst mission of the DoD is to go to the Offshore Tax Havens and Forcibly take back the $21 Trillion.....;}

And many other solutions would auto follow, such as more intimate social contacts that would be able to follow a drug addled sociopath...

loading ballistic NATO armor and enough firepower to do 5th Gen Warfare.....;}

But Nothing will be done.....humans will descend to a more stable state now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-24   8:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)

So what can we do? Don’t vote for a democrat.

And he was doing so well, up to this point!

He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican. One party, two evil branches.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-07-24   8:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#2)

He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican. One party, two evil branches.

Romney isn't that great. But only a moron would say they are the same.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-24   8:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Romney isn't that great. But only a moron would say they are the same.

They. Are. The. Same.

Gun Control....same.

Offshore Tax Haven....same.

Military....same.

Israel....same.

Finance....same.

Bottom 99%....Any difference is minimal...see Obama/RomneyCare for details.... ;}

"Obama: Shooting People “Evil … Senseless” by Jay Janson

June 22, 2012 - While reading the text of Obama Statement on Shootings in Colorado, one line struck this writer as quite astounding: "We may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It’s beyond reason." The President may have realized afterward that since he has been ordering the shooting of thousands in a half-dozen countries, the words "evil, senseless, beyond reason" could easily reflect back on himself. A later Obama statement on the massacre in a Colorado movie house did not contain the words "evil," "senseless," "violence beyond reason." ..

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-24   9:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#3) (Edited)

Once you've stooped to the level of voting for GLAAD donating gay muppets, Boy Scout molesting pedophiles like Mitt and Obama, there's no difference.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-07-24   9:16:43 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CZ82 (#0)

Here’s what it boils down to. There is a greater tolerance for “sin” now. And the natural, inbred reaction to sin is anger … to “correct” it and to implement “justice.” But political correctness has not only forced people to swallow that sin, but they even are arrested or sued for trying to speak out against it.

Excellent summary of the problem.

Instead os banning weapons, ban most of the Hollywood-elite movies. Few are even worth watching, much less paying money for. This guy said he was influenced by this movie - so why isn't the liberal left clamoring for some sort of control over what their cohorts in Hollywood put out?

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-24   10:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

Military....same.

Israel....same.

Finance....same

Not hardly.

Obama will have the destruction of the US complete in a couple more years - just look at what he's done in 3.5. With Romney, it will take longer. And with a conservative House and Senate to deal with, we may be able to stem the tide and even reverse the trend. Highly unlikely b/c the Senate is rarely conservative, but it's our only hope.

What is your solution? Or do you just want to complain and watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-24   10:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)

Military....same.

Israel....same.

Finance....same

Not hardly.

On those three?....EXACTLY....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-24   11:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)

What is your solution? Or do you just want to complain and watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?

Ny solution?

Why thank you very much for asking Seren....;}

First:

Complaining accomplishes nothing. And I'm not complaining.

I'm informing.

While Standing. Holding. Waiting for the USSA to burn itself out.

And have been from the Days before Reagan was elected.

Insurgencies as a rule generally last about 35 years....;}

Then looking for Local Control to re assert.

It's 1914, 1938, 1963 all over again, as the Top 400-50 000 have run out of arheuments and all they have left is violence.

Israel is the cat's paw.

Iran has nukes and is waiting for Israel to make it s final mistake.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-24   11:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)

watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?

And USSAns could do worse

And the country HAS gone over the cliff

(Xmas 2007)

It's being kept on life support for the benefit of the Top 1%....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-24   11:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#0)

Why didn’t these things happen in the 1950’s? Why didn’t we need airport screenings then? Why didn’t people need to lock their house or car doors then? The answer is simple. There was more order then (especially in families) … which then naturally released more love and peace and security.

Absolutely true,but that is only half of the story.

Back in the 50's people who were mentally disturbed were locked away in mental institutions. These people don't just suddenly spring up from out of nowhere as adults,they have been disturbed their whole lives,and their families,teachers,and friends all knew it. Then in the 1960's the ACLU with backing from people intent on destroying America won a court case put before a leftist court that stated locking mentally disturbed people away who were thought to be dangerous but had not YET hurt anyone violated their Constitutional RIGHT to be mentally disturbed and danerous,so the looney bins were emptied. The result are still seen today,with the streets of cities loaded with homeless people who die from disease and exposure to the weather while suffering greatly the whole time. Occasionally one of the loons will get angry at the world over his condition,and he strikes out to get even with the world.

The other reason is VERY closely related. Back in the 1950's if you were caught committing a violent crime,you WERE going to go to jail,and you WERE going to serve your time,period. Then the ACLU decided the prisons were overcrowded and this violated the right of the people who had never shown the slightest bit of concern about the rights of anyone else,so they started early-release programs for good behavior. Which is entirely counter-productive because what you are teaching these people then is that they can get out of prison early and escape doing their time if they just learn how to behave in prison.

The message that SHOULD be sent is "You WILL behave in prison because that is what people are expected to do in society in order to keep jobs,raise families,and live normal,peaceful lives,and because if you don't,ADDITIONAL time will be added to the sentence you are already serving."

In other words,people in the 1950's understood that actions have consequences,and bad actions result in bad consequences.

By the mid-1960's people were expecting NO consequences from bad behavior,other than maybe some free meds and a disability check.

All this can be laid directly at the feet of the Dim appointees to the Supreme Court in the 40's and 50's.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-24   12:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: hondo68 (#2)

And he was doing so well, up to this point!

He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican.

Yeah,but that ain't going to happen. The Thumpers see themselves taking over complete control of the alleged Republican Party,and making it "God's Party".

Of course,those of us who are sane and have read a little history know that if they are ever successful,the in-fighting by the various cults will start the next day,and bodies will start popping up all over.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-24   12:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#11)

Then in the 1960's the ACLU with backing from people intent on destroying America won a court case put before a leftist court that stated locking mentally disturbed people away who were thought to be dangerous but had not YET hurt anyone violated their Constitutional RIGHT to be mentally disturbed and danerous,so the looney bins were emptied.

They have more rights than me or you....

And if they don't want their nutcracker dicussing their problems with the family, then the family has "NO" right to know about their illness or treatment....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-24   12:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

They. Are. The. Same.

No,they're not! One group has a leader that is slightly darker than the other group,and the other group has a leader that is slightly whiter than the leader of the other group.

On top of that,one group is pro-worker,and the other group is anti-worker,one group loves everybody,and the only group only loves rich whites.

See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-24   12:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14)

See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game?

They are good at it because, unfortunately, it works.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-07-24   12:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)

With Romney, it will take longer. And with a conservative House and Senate to deal with,.....

Massachusetts Mitt will have the votes from a compliant House and Senate to do more to destroy our country in 4 years than Obama could do in 40 years with a House and Senate blocking his every move for partisan reasons.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-24   12:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CZ82 (#13)

They have more rights than me or you....

What's with this "we" stuff,white man?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-24   13:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#14)

No,they're not! One group has a leader that is slightly darker than the other group,and the other group has a leader that is slightly whiter than the leader of the other group.

On top of that,one group is pro-worker,and the other group is anti-worker,one group loves everybody,and the only group only loves rich whites.

See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game?

That is some funny sh*t right there.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#16)

Massachusetts Mitt will have the votes from a compliant House and Senate to do more to destroy our country in 4 years than Obama could do in 40 years...

Here I thought you were paying attention...That makes no sense. Carry on...

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#5)

Hilarious! Great catch.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:51:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#19)

Here I thought you were paying attention...That makes no sense. Carry on...

I AM paying attention. At this point our ONLY hope is gridlock,and we ain't going to get gridlock with Massachusetts Mitt. A Republican-controlled House and Senate will rubber stamp anything he proposes in the name of Party Unity.

IF we can get gridlock,we MIGHT be able to hold on to the Constitution and our sovereign status until the alleged Republican party collapses from cronyism and corruption,and a actual opposition party rises from the ashes.

What we have right now are two branches of the same party.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   1:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#11)

And along with the 1960s came the war on poverty, which effectively removed black men from the black families.

And then the 70s saw a government endorsing women killing their unborn children. That has to have an effect on society--subconsciously, of course, when even the mother, the nurturer of society, is ok to off the most innocent beings.

And while you might not agree, pete, there was and still is the on-going attempt to completely wipe God out of the public square. I don't recall which founding father said it, but one of them said that the Constitution was written for a godly citizenry.

And then all these video games/arcade games based on killing, killing, killing...scores on the numbers killed. The videos are addictive. The sounds and sights and such are mesmerizing and are just like the slot machines in casinos where addicted gamblers play mindlessly. I have actually witnessed that last scenario.

I would imagine a group could get together and come up with a great list of things which have brought about the ills of the nation. One thing I find interesting is the time frame. As I recall, back before the 1994 takeover of the house by the GOP, the Dems had been in control for some 40 years.......and those 40 years coincide with the destructive events we're describing here.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-25   1:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rowdee (#22)

And then the 70s saw a government endorsing women killing their unborn children. That has to have an effect on society--subconsciously, of course, when even the mother, the nurturer of society, is ok to off the most innocent beings.

Dee,the truth is this has always been done,ever since the dawn of time. There are only two differences. One real difference is in days of yore it was midwives smothering the babies,not doctors with a needle. That's why you didn't seem many deformed or crippled kids back in the 50's and earlier. They "died at birth".

Working class people back then,especially ones in rural and farm communities just couldn't afford,in ANY sense of the word,a child that couldn't work and contribute to the family.

The other difference is healthy babies weren't smothered at birth. They were mostly cherished by the parents,and if they parents didn't want them,they put them up for adoption to people who would cherish them.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   1:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz (#15)

No. It only looks like it does.

Every Empire tries it.

Every Empire dies.....;}

Only when the lion learns to write will the hunter no longer be a hero....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-25   7:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#14)

They both seek what's best for the Top 1%.

They. Are. The. Same.

Gun Control....same.

Offshore Tax Haven....same.

Military....same.

Israel....same.

Finance....same.

Bottom 99%....Any difference is minimal...see Obama/RomneyCare for details.... ;}

"Obama: Shooting People “Evil … Senseless” by Jay Janson

June 22, 2012 - While reading the text of Obama Statement on Shootings in Colorado, one line struck this writer as quite astounding: "We may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It’s beyond reason." The President may have realized afterward that since he has been ordering the shooting of thousands in a half-dozen countries, the words "evil, senseless, beyond reason" could easily reflect back on himself. A later Obama statement on the massacre in a Colorado movie house did not contain the words "evil," "senseless," "violence beyond reason." ..

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-25   7:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

The First thing either will do in the WH...

Renew the ongoing State of Emergency decree of September 14, 2001.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-07-25   8:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#23)

If what you say is true, it was not goverment sanctioned as today; nor was it passed around in open society discussions, and certainly not demanded by a bunch of yowling wimmen about some 'right' they had to choose to kill their unborn.

There is a BIG difference in the scenario you present as being the norm back in those days. I personally don't buy that this was routinely done. I concede that there has always been evil flaws in mankind and wouldn't swear it never happened.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-25   13:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Serenissima Venezia, CZ82 (#6)

This guy said he was influenced by this movie - so why isn't the liberal left clamoring for some sort of control over what their cohorts in Hollywood put out?

Hollywood and the state run media (some call the MSM) don't want you to believe their products have anything to do with Holmes. The murderer dressed up like a character, was a "fan" of the movie series and chose to do the shooting at the opening of the latest movie in the series. A clear minded person would come to the conclusion the movie series, aka Hollywood and the media that promoted the movie series, would be a contributing factor. But instead they tried to blame lawful gun owners and the Tea Party, and talk radio. They, Hollywood, know it, we know it and they think we are all stupid not to realize what is clear.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   14:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN, Liberator (#12)

The Thumpers see themselves taking over complete control of the alleged Republican Party,and making it "God's Party".

Of course,those of us who are sane and have read a little history know that if they are ever successful,the in-fighting by the various cults will start the next day,and bodies will start popping up all over.

Pete, bravo on your post #11, but your post above and the bunk on smothering babies to death in your post to Rowdee you lose the bubble.

In post #11 you clearly outline the destruction the liberal courts of the 60s and 70s produced. Might I add what Rowdee makes a good point about? In those same years the same cloaked judges ruled the Bible could not be taught in school and that prayer was offensive, even voluntary prayer in schools. There is a connection but because you personally dismiss faith in God, you dismiss the court cases pushing God out of the American dialogue.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   14:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: rowdee (#27)

If what you say is true,

Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn.

it was not goverment sanctioned as today;

No it wasn't,but what difference does that make? The results are the same.

nor was it passed around in open society discussions,

So what? The truth is often ugly,which is why so many people lie. Granted,they are polite lies (you baby was stillborn) designed to spare someone's feelings,but lies none the less.

and certainly not demanded by a bunch of yowling wimmen about some 'right' they had to choose to kill their unborn.

Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family.

I personally don't buy that this was routinely done.

Of course you don't. It conflicts with YOUR view on what is politically correct.

We all have our blind spots,including you and I.

The truth is even worse than that. Just a few hundred years ago living children were being left out in the cold to die in seasons where the crops had failed and the game was scarce. Just because people didn't talk about doesn't mean it didn't happen.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   14:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: redleghunter (#29) (Edited)

In those same years the same cloaked judges ruled the Bible could not be taught in school

Good for them. Schools are no place for the violence and pornography that is in the Bible. Not to mention the FACT that people like you will INSIST it be presented as established fact instead of fiction.

and that prayer was offensive, even voluntary prayer in schools.

There is no such critter is voluntary prayer in schools when the prayer is led by the teachers,AND TRUE voluntary prayer is not and never has been banned in schools. You're just pissed because it can't be organized and peer pressure and the dominating influence of the teachers can't be used as tools to try to convert non-believers.

There is a connection but because you personally dismiss faith in God, you dismiss the court cases pushing God out of the American dialogue.

Mythical creatures don't BELONG in the dialogue when discussing the laws of our nation. This is America,not Jerusalem,Vatican City,or Mecca.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   14:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN (#30)

Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn.

You make the experience your mother witnessed seem like "normal" for all society. It was not. For every smothered and murdered deformed or mentally retarded baby there were 100s of thousands that were not and put in homes or cared for by the families. Back then there were plenty of church run and faith run homes where such children were properly cared for if the parents could not do it. One such home was a few blocks from my house. There I witnessed over 50 kids in wheel chairs with the most horrible deformities watch me and my friends play baseball on their grounds. Then there was a good classmate in my middle school. Had MD, went to regular classes and lived until he was 13. That little spark plug fought every day to breathe and he wanted to live and gave it his best. So the murderous midwives will have to give account for their deeds on the Last Day. And if they have not repented, it will be most horrible for them.

On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   14:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#30)

Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family.

So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children? And you approve of this? What a way to "play god" now isnt' it? But I can see this happening when parents, midwives and posters have no moral absolutes.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   14:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#30) (Edited)

My own great grandparents who were farmers in Texas, had something like 13 o 14 kids; had a deformed son.....they didn't kill Ira....and that Great Grandpa was no 'thumper' or holy roller. So, we each have a story to hold up our view.

The difference re government approval of abortions: because it is the 'legal' jurisdiction under which people live that is saying 'go kill your kid with our blessing'........this has to send a message that life isn't worth much.

Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderly grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'. It was how the cards were dealt and you played that hand compared to today where 'it isn't fair'is the attitude that I have to deal with anything but myself, me , me, me. There were times when some could be sent to the poor or alms houses, and some to medical institutions.

Life experiences can shade or color our opinions. I had a neighbor in the mid 1960s who went to Mexico and had an abortion. The only way we found out was that she nearly bled to death after returning. Fortunately her brother who was a sailor came up from San Diego for the weekend and found her and got her to the hospital in time. Nice gal. Flight attendant.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-25   15:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN, Liberator, GarySpFc (#31)

Good for them. Schools are no place for the violence and pornography that is in the Bible. Not to mention the FACT that people like you will INSIST it be presented as established fact instead of fiction.

There is no such critter is voluntary prayer in schools when the prayer is led by the teachers,AND TRUE voluntary prayer is not and never has been banned in schools. You're just pissed because it can't be organized and peer pressure and the dominating influence of the teachers can't be used as tools to try to convert non-believers.

Mythical creatures don't BELONG in the dialogue when discussing the laws of our nation. This is America,not Jerusalem,Vatican City,or Mecca.

Disregarding your lack of knowing what is actually going on in schools (I do know because I am active in the local schools), I think you have it backwards. You cannot bring yourself to the fact that this nation was founded on Christian principles. When those principles were banned from our teaching of youth, society quickly went in the crapper. There is a true cause and effect you will igore, because you have a deep hatred for those who believe in God and worship Him.

Let's go back to your wonderful post #11 when it seemed people knew right from wrong and how to keep bad people from hurting lawful citizens. You said "back in the 50s" "we" knew better, society knew better. It was not some humanistic secular book of "norms" or "rules" that made it that way. No, it was a nation that still revered and believed in God. I would even go the length that by the 50s, maybe most folks did not truly revere in God or believe in God, but their parents did, and their parents taught the next generation right and wrong based on their faith. So in effect the 50s and some of the 60s those growing up knew right from wrong and what "right" looked like but did not know "why" it was right only that their parents and church told them so. So since that next generation did not know the "why" they did not teach it to their kids because they could not explain it. That is why we are in the crapper now. That is why folks give opinions but they cannot cite why they believe something. That is why instead of one standard of morals there are millions, because everyone is their own 'god' and everything is relative. Everyone has truly become an island "entire of itself." And those islands stink, they are corrupt, murderous and heavily medicated. And those islands choose this pain, anger and fear because they deny or reject The Remedy to their ills.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   15:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: rowdee (#34)

The difference re government approval of abortions: because it is the 'legal' jurisdiction under which people live that is saying 'go kill your kid with our blessing'........this has to send a message that life isn't worth much.

Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderky grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'. It was how the cards were dealt and you played that hand compared to today where 'it isn't fair'is the attitude that I have to deal with anything but myself, me , me, me. There were times when some could be sent to the poor or alms houses, and some to medical institutions.

Good post. I agree.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   15:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#30)

The truth is even worse than that. Just a few hundred years ago living children were being left out in the cold to die in seasons where the crops had failed and the game was scarce. Just because people didn't talk about doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And the truth is even worse than that. Back in the days of Rome, the husband/father had complete control of his offspring. If he didn't want a child, it was thumbs down, and they were discarded alongside the road, in the trash pile or whatever.

And we have some evil, evil people in the USA today who are saying we should have this same ability in todays world! Preposterous! Right?

Well, who would have thunk 20 years ago queers would be getting married? Or our military would be proudly display queers in parades? Or that whites are the haters, and blacks are incapable of that? Or teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas in school is called sex education? Or that schools insteading of teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic are teaching that Heather has 2 Mommies, and that Adam and Steve are normal, just like you (the child)?

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-25   15:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: redleghunter (#32)

You make the experience your mother witnessed seem like "normal" for all society. It was not.

Yeah,it was. If I'm wrong,direct me to all the photos of deformed children.

Children with birth defects has no chance of providing for themselves. They were a luxury people just couldn't afford.

For every smothered and murdered deformed or mentally retarded baby there were 100s of thousands that were not and put in homes or cared for by the families.

Where is the evidence of this. I only know of ONE,and he was the only child of a upper middle-class family. He was born with a deformed arm. Basically,his left hand was attached to his elbow and it was dead. Never grew and never had any motion.

BTW,how can you look at a newborn and tell he or she is retarded? Or did you just throw that in for emotional reasons?

Back then there were plenty of church run and faith run homes where such children were properly cared for if the parents could not do it.

MORE nonsense. These existed ONLY in the larger cities,and prior to the 1950's most Americans lived in rural areas.

So the murderous midwives will have to give account for their deeds on the Last Day. And if they have not repented, it will be most horrible for them.

Your kind and loving God is going to torture them for all of eternity,right?

On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth.

Yes,she did the right thing,and kept her mouth shut about it,just like women have done since the dawn of time.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   15:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter (#33)

So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children?

Of course. You are applying modern sensibilities to older realities,and feeling righteous about it.

Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe".

And you approve of this?

Where did I say this,and what does my approval OR disapproval have to do with incidents that happened decades to tens of thousands of years ago?

In case you haven't noticed,conditions have changed from what they used to be even 50 years ago,never mind 500 years ago.

But I can see this happening when parents, midwives and posters have no moral absolutes.

What *I* see is people posing with "holier than thou" personalities because they have the ability to block out reality and replace it with "feelings" like the left has.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   15:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rowdee (#34)

"My own great grandparents who were farmers in Texas, had something like 13 o 14 kids; had a deformed son.....they didn't kill Ira....and that Great Grandpa was no 'thumper' or holy roller. So, we each have a story to hold up our view.

They clearly had the luxury of being able to afford to support a deformed son because of all the healthy sons they had,plus their established position as successful farmers. Good for them!

That wasn't everyone's reality,though.

Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderky grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'.

Correction: People with the LUXURY of having living conditions that allowed them to provide for the elderly didn't worry about providing for someone elderly and unable to work. For example,the Eskimos had a tradition of leaving their elderly out on the ice alone when the village had to pack up and move to fresher hunting grounds.

Life experiences can shade or color our opinions.

So can recorded history if you open your mind to the possibility of more than one reality.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-25   15:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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