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Title: Chief Justice John Roberts: How Gay Is He? (and don't forget to check out the photo)
Source: Underneath Their Robes
URL Source: http://underneaththeirrobes.blogs.c ... n/2005/08/more_grist_for_.html
Published: Aug 20, 2005
Author: Article III Groupie
Post Date: 2012-07-03 15:12:24 by Liberator
Keywords: Dubya, gay, SCJustice
Views: 7727
Comments: 45

Ever since President Bush announced his selection of Judge John G. Roberts, Jr., as his Supreme Court nominee, speculation over whether Judge Roberts might be gay has run rampant throughout the blogosphere. See, e.g., Althouse, Law Dork, and Wonkette. UTR readers have also flooded A3G's inbox with emails citing the following "evidence" that Judge Roberts is gay:

1. Despite being handsome, brilliant, rich, and nice -- in other words, prime marriage material -- Judge Roberts didn't get married until the relatively late age of 41.

2. With all due respect to the perfectly attractive Mrs. Jane Sullivan Roberts, some UTR readers -- not A3G -- have commented that the #5 Superhottie of the Federal Judiciary could have "married someone hotter." According to a UTR correspondent who used to work at Hogan & Hartson, Judge Roberts's former law firm, "many of the older [Hogan] attys are married to good-looking 20-somethings after having dumped their first wives."

3. Judge and Mrs. Roberts have adopted rather than biological children. (The "theory" behind this fact, it seems, is that we therefore have no "proof" of the consummation of the Roberts' marriage.)

4. Judge Roberts has associated with gay people in the past:

(a) As everyone knows by now, he did pro bono work on behalf of gay rights activists, helping out colleagues in their preparation of court filings and oral argument in Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996).

(b) While Judge Roberts was at Harvard, his pre-law advisor was William LaPiana, a law professor at New York Law School and an openly gay man.

(c) One UTR reader commented that "Roberts has had at least one gay (male) clerk while sitting on the D.C. Cir. I suspect at least one other clerk as well."

Note: A3G has conducted her own mini-investigation into this claim, and she is uncertain of its accuracy. She has accounted for (almost) all of the nine clerks that Judge Roberts has had during his time on the D.C. Circuit, and the clerks that she knows of are all married to or dating people of the opposite sex, or otherwise not believed to be gay. (But if you have the name, rank and serial number of any Roberts clerk who is openly gay -- A3G isn't interested in outing anyone -- please email her.)

Update: It appears that Judge Roberts may have had one gay clerk. At the request of this clerk, however, A3G has deleted a reader comment referring to this clerk by name. Furthermore, she has disabled comments on this post. She thanks you for your consideration.

5. Finally, in terms of evidence of gayness, let's not leave out the notorious plaid pants.

So there's certainly some grist for the "Judge Roberts is gay" rumor mill in the nominee's past (even if much of it is of dubious value). And now, tomorrow's edition of New York Times will throw more fuel on the fire, in the form of this rather interesting article about Judge Roberts's time at Harvard and what it was like to be a campus conservative there during the 1970's.

There are two noteworthy aspects of this article from the "John Roberts Is Gay" point of view. First, check out the provocative third paragraph -- surprisingly high placement, essentially part of the lede -- of Janny Scott's piece:

"Conservatives were like the queers on campus," said Eric Rofes, a classmate of Judge Roberts who later became an organizer on gay issues. "People made fun of them. They mocked them and saw them as jokers or losers. I don't think in the moment many people realized this was the start of an ascending movement. People felt it was like the last cry of the 1950's."

Second, directly to the left of the foregoing paragraph in the online version of the article is a photograph (courtesy Don Scherer) showing Judge Roberts hanging out on Martha's Vineyard with two handsome male friends, Don Scherer and Richard Lazarus. Call Article Three Groupie crazy -- you wouldn't be the first -- but the picture strikes her as pretty "gay-looking."

If you question A3G's basis for deeming this picture "gay-looking," check out the photo for yourself (below right), and then read this (amusingly unhinged) email from a UTR reader:

Roberts_scherer_lazarus_1John Roberts is gay! Look at those smiling buff friends snuggled next to the next Supreme Court Justice on Martha's Vinyard displaying the groumet meal they just made, and THEY will tell you. Now let's hope Roberts is actually confirmed before he's outed like a certain New Jersey Governor! Some legacy for Christian hero W. -- seating the first GAY Supreme Court Justice!* This is SO GREAT!

Oy gay! Are we perhaps getting a little carried away with all of our rumor-mongering concerning Judge Roberts's sexual orientation? After all, the pic was taken on Martha's Vineyard, not Fire Island. (bwaaaahaa!) And for the record, Scherer is married, as is Lazarus.(as though there is no such thing as a beard).

More seriously, all of the "Is John Roberts gay?" speculation strikes A3G as pretty pointless, since it's doubtful that we'll ever get a definitive answer to the question.

It's highly unlikely that Judge Roberts will show up in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee on September 6 and declare, "I am a gay American." We can hazard all sorts of guesses about Judge Roberts's tastes and proclivities, but we'll never know for sure.

To sum things up, as A3G previously stated, "Is Judge John Roberts gay? Hmm, who knows?" Unless some new and truly compelling information emerges, let's just leave it at that. As far as A3G is concerned, the question of Judge Roberts's possible homosexuality -- like the matter of his two adopted kids -- should be shoved back into the closet. 'Nuff said!

Update: Professor Althouse, despite being on vacation, had some interesting and funny comments to offer on the Times piece. A3G is inclined to agree with her: a good case can be made that the NYT is deliberately making Judge Roberts look gay. And yet, as Professor Althouse notes, "the deniability is intact as ever. It's just three men with a pie... and a mustache... and a glow."

* Uh, who ever said that Judge Roberts -- if he is in fact gay, and if he is ultimately confirmed to the Court -- would be the first gay justice? Certainly not Wonkette: "Okay, serious now: We don't actually think Roberts is gay. We totally wish he was, though! Someone needs to keep Souter company."

And Wonkette may not be alone in her suspicions concerning the #4 Superhottie of the Federal Judiciary. Check out the Oyez biography of Justice Souter, which describes him as "[a] man of unusual and peculiar sensibilities." What exactly does this mean -- is that what they're calling them these days? (It's a bit of a mouthful; A3G prefers the more pithy "friend of Judge Wardlaw.")

Speaking of Justice Souter, A3G is looking forward to the publication next month of David Hackett Souter, an in-depth biography of the justice by the prolific Professor Tinsley E. Yarbrough. The book will reflect Professor Yarbrough's extensive research into Justice Souter's professional and personal background. A3G sincerely hopes that Professor Yarbrough, just because he's a respectable academic, won't shy away from answering the questions that enquiring minds want to know...


Poster Comment:

Note the date...and immediate suspicions even then. The lesbo writer (A3G) of this article SEVEN years ago tries to diffuse and discredit them, but to no avail. The evidence is NOT so "dubious" as she claimed at the time and especially NOW.

Let's also consider the suspicions of our closeted GOP President Dubya Bush - who had fake reporter - the openly queer Jeff Gannon (whose naked pictures have appeared on a number of gay escort websites) over to the White House dozens of times. ALONE. It was of course Dubya who foisted Roberts on conservatives.

Do these revelations and record of Roberts gay-friendly past provide insight into Judge Roberts' siding with 2 Communists and and 2 lesbian-Communists in the 0bumaCare Decision that happens to expand the Fedgoob greatly?

Look - here's the bottomline:

Queers have totally infested and corrupted America's institutions - from the Globalists' cabals and ad hoc shadow government to the Oval Office to Congress to the Supreme Court, to the Media (the Ministry of Propaganda) to "Entertainment"...

The agenda of Queers/Gays, Communists, Atheists, the governing Elites, and basically - Heathens who worship themselves as their own "God" - is to toss all vestiges of Christianity, justice, the truth, and the Bible-based virtues of the American Founder off a cliff.

Dubya's homosexual SC Justice Roberts is NOT a "conservative," and never has been; Coincidentally, homosexual Prez 0buma's appointees Sotomayor and Kagan are LESBIAN. So now we've got THREE homosexuals on the Supreme Court, three Jews and six Catholics three of whom CAN definitely be conservative)....

Oh...and the SC includes ZERO PROTESTANTS; In a country comprise mostly of Protestant Christians. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?? This is more than an odd curiosity and coincidence; It's conspicuously purposeful. Go ahead and draw your own conclusion why this is... And...and...btw - what ever happened to "diversity"??

(pictured: The Enemy Within, (including TWO Trojan Horses selected by Republican Presidents)

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

Here is a entertaining thread from Sep 29, 2005 re: Roberts

Senate Confirms Roberts As Chief Justice [Senate voted 78-22 ]

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-07-03   16:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All, Gold-Lox Had Him Pegged All Along (#1)

#4. To: Brian S (#0)

The Senate voted 78-22 to confirm Roberts — a 50-year-old U.S. Appeals judge from the Washington suburb of Chevy Chase, Md. — as the successor to the late William H. Rehnquist, who died earlier this month. All of the Senate's majority Republicans, and about half of the Democrats, voted for Roberts.

Oh no. Chevy Chase, MD !!!

That is an extreme LIBERAL area. Right next to Tacoma Park, the 60's "No Nuclear Zone".

Conservatives are in for a huge suprise with this one.

Bend over....

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2005-09-29   12:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace  

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-07-03   16:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator, *Ron Paul for President* (#0)

How Gay Is He?

At least as gay as Mitt and Obama.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-07-03   16:35:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Liberator (#0)

I've been saying Roberts is as queer as a 3 dollar bill ever since he was nominated by Boy Jorge. His daddy put the homo Suitor on the court,and he answered with Roberts after having his lesbian choice kicked back.

Homosexuals are in high positions all over our government precisely because they are easily controlled by blackmail.

And the fault for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the fundie Christians that have demonized them and driven them into hiding. If it wasn't for the fear of exposure and losing their careers and families,there would be nothing to blackmail them over.

The Soviets were very successful recruiting spies and agents by targeting homosexuals. I think that whole Eton circle of British spies were homosexuals that were recruited by Soviet agents when they were in college. The Soviets even chose their careers for them and worked behind the scenes to keep getting them promoted.

Much like the international bankers have been doing with America since the end of WW-2.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-04   19:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete, SJN, redleghunter (#4)

Homosexuals are in high positions all over our government precisely because they are easily controlled by blackmail.

And the fault for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the fundie Christians that have demonized them and driven them into hiding.

Lol - Congratulations. You've reached new heights in your kookiness and "fundie" paranoia.

BOO!!

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-04   20:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#3)

At least as gay as Mitt and Obama.

Don't forget Kerry and Bush.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-04   20:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Brian S (#2)

Nice snag...

Mommy does have her lucid moments.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-04   20:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#5)

Lol - Congratulations. You've reached new heights in your kookiness and "fundie" paranoia.

Are you trying to deny there are a lot of highly placed homosexuals in our government,or that they have been blackmailed into following the desires of their masters?

Or are you denying that the bigotry towards homosexuals in housing,jobs,and every other aspect of their lives by the various religions has had anything to do with this?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-04   23:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

Are you trying to deny there are a lot of highly placed homosexuals in our government,or that they have been blackmailed into following the desires of their masters?

Deny?? LOL! Captain Obvious, there ARE lot's of your homo allies at high places in goobermint. Because Atheists anti-Christian - just like you. And as we can all clearly see, your anti-Christian Athiest goobermint is destroying my country.

Or are you denying that the bigotry towards homosexuals in housing,jobs,and every other aspect of their lives by the various religions has had anything to do with this?

Are you denying that you're a fool and bi-polar paranoid anti-Christian Atheist who blames your own diarrhea on "Fundies", Butt-Wheat?

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-04   23:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9) (Edited)

Because Atheists anti-Christian - just like you. And as we can all clearly see, your anti-Christian Athiest goobermint is destroying my country.

You really are getting hysterical,aren't you?

Tell us all,"conservative",what other group of Americans do you want to see with fewer rights than other Americans?

Should members of your cult be the only ones that should be "allowed" to hold public office?

Are you denying that you're a fool

Yes. Which one of us believes in a "Holy Ghost" and other spirits?

and bi-polar

Once again,which one of us hears voices?

paranoid anti-Christian Atheist who blames your own diarrhea on "Fundies", Butt-Wheat?

I'm not a atheist. I am an agnostic. Not that I think you are rational enough to understand the difference.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   0:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#10)

Tell us all,"conservative",what other group of Americans do you want to see with fewer rights than other Americans?

Uh-oh...Are you baiting me with a "Waaaahhh!!! Gays are deprived of the 'right' marrying each other!!" LOL!

Once again,which one of us hears voices?

That would be you, Petey. Admit it - your hysterical inner-voice is SCREAMING: STOP FUNDIES!!!! ARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-05   0:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

Should members of your cult be the only ones that should be "allowed" to hold public office?

Are you THAT desperate that you have to make sh*t up now?

You are now actually projecting and using leftists debate tactics. Not gonna work, kook.

It's you anti-Christian Atheists who already run and control the US government, the media, and Entertainment industries; THIS is why this nation is totally FUBAR'ed within the last 20 years.

What *YOUR* ilk fantasizes about is a banning of all Fundies holding public office. You've already managed a Supreme Court devoid of Fundies/Protestants. Nice work!

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-05   0:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#11)

Tell us all,"conservative",what other group of Americans do you want to see with fewer rights than other Americans? Uh-oh...Are you baiting me with a "Waaaahhh!!! Gays are deprived of the 'right' marrying each other!!" LOL!

So,are you saying that homosexuals should have fewer rights than other Americans,or not?

Yes,or no?

Once again,which one of us hears voices?

That would be you, Petey.

And now you are reduced to lying.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   0:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#12)

Should members of your cult be the only ones that should be "allowed" to hold public office?

Are you THAT desperate that you have to make sh*t up now?

What's being made up? It's a simple question. Answer it if you can.

You are now actually projecting and using leftists debate tactics. Not gonna work, kook.

That's just your way of saying homosexuals aren't "full" Americans and shouldn't have the rights other Americans have,right?

If I am wrong,just answer the question. "Should homosexuals have the right to hold public office?"

It's not a hard question unless you don't know what your opinion is until your cult leader gives it to you.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   0:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)

So,are you saying that homosexuals should have fewer rights than other Americans,or not?

Yes,or no?

NO.

But I guess you're angle for your usual Gay Crusade for "Queer Marriage" which does NOT exist for two queers. No such thing. It's totally a made up, just as if a man and his goat were demanding the "right" to marry each other.

But as a matter of fact, queers have MORE "rights" than straight people; "Hate Crimes" and "Hate Speech" are just TWO more "rights" they possess over normal citizens. And with the hiring quota system, they gain MORE "special rights", just like blacks and other so called "minorities".

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-05   0:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

What's being made up? It's a simple question. Answer it if you can.

A simple question from a simpleton. Sorry, I don't answer retarded questions from Athiests whose medication script has expired.

Next dopey question:

That's just your way of saying homosexuals aren't "full" Americans and shouldn't have the rights other Americans have,right?

No, it's my way of telling you you're FOS and can't think of any intellectually honest way to extricate yourself from the gay propaganda you've tried in vain to create.

Just answer the question. "Should homosexuals have the right to hold public office?"

They already have that right, don't they? And they prove it EVERY DAY while voting in the Senate, Congress, and Oval Office to screw America. Should I now expect you'll now make up some kind of lie that Fundies prevent them from doing so, Bawney?

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-05   1:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#4)

And the fault for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the fundie Christians that have demonized them and driven them into hiding. If it wasn't for the fear of exposure and losing their careers and families,there would be nothing to blackmail them over.

You're pretty stupid sometimes. But at least now we know why you are a hard left supporter of perverting marriage. Who is blackmailing your peter?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   8:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#5)

He is an in the closet blackmaled queer. That is what I'm thinking. Sneakykpeter could mean he is in the closet.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   8:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypeter (#13)

So,are you saying that homosexuals should have fewer rights than other Americans,or not?

Yes,or no?

They should have all the rights as everyone else. With the exception of mandatory aids testing. Then if the have it they should have a big red tattoo on their forehead that says AIDS.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   8:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#12)

It's you anti-Christian Atheists who already run and control the US government, the media, and Entertainment industries; THIS is why this nation is totally FUBAR'ed within the last 20 years.

What *YOUR* ilk fantasizes about is a banning of all Fundies holding public office. You've already managed a Supreme Court devoid of Fundies/Protestants. Nice work!

Lots of truth there Liberator. You're one of the good guys. Sneakypeter is a fool on so many issues.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   8:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#18)

"He is an in the closet blackmaled queer. That is what I'm thinking. Sneakykpeter could mean he is in the closet."

Sneaky pete is a classic description of Special Forces based on their stealth and low keyed nature, dumb shit. SF personnel also have the slang name of 'snake eaters,' but I would suspect bad things would happen to your little civilian form were you to walk up to a large group of Special Forces qualified personnel and call them practitioners of male on male oral sex because of this long time nick name.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-07-05   8:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#17)

You're pretty stupid sometimes.

That's REALLY funny coming from you.

But at least now we know why you are a hard left supporter of perverting marriage. Who is blackmailing your peter?

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,I must be black too,since I think black citizens should have the same rights and protections as white citizen.

Or maybe I'm a His-Panic,a Eskimo,a Asian,or a Jew?

0r even a Hare Krisna or a lesbian? The HORRORS!

Yeah,good thinking,Stone!

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   9:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Sneakykpeter could mean he is in the closet.

ROFLMAO!

Logic ain't your strong point,Stone. You should try to avoid it except in emergencies when there is no one else around to do your reasoning for you.

I do have to confess that even after all these years on the internet,that is a new one to me. It had never even occurred to me that anybody would come up with that.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   9:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#19)

They should have all the rights as everyone else. With the exception of mandatory aids testing.

Do you REALLY think heterosexuals don't get AIDS? If so,you need to get out more.

Then if the have it they should have a big red tattoo on their forehead that says AIDS.

What about the heterosexuals with AIDS? She they get the big red tattoo,too? If not,what's the purpose of giving it to homosexuals?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   9:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#22)

Yeah,I must be black too,since I think black citizens should have the same rights and protections as white citizen.

You are born black or white or red or whatever. The other is a choice. Are you really that stupid?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   10:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#23)

ROFLMAO!

That was the purpose of these few comments. :)

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   10:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

The other is a choice. Are you really that stupid?

One of us is.

YOU were given a choice,you bi-sexual,you?

I never had a choice. I have been a heterosexual since birth.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   10:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#27)

I never had a choice. I have been a heterosexual since birth.

We are all hetor at birth. Some become perverts later.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   10:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)

We are all hetor at birth. Some become perverts later.

The only way you can possibly believe that is if you believe that under the right/wrong conditions YOU could become a willing homosexual.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. If you were born bi,you were born bi.

If you do have a choice,choosing to be a homosexual has never made sense to me. Why choose to make your life any harder than it has to be?

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   10:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#29)

If you do have a choice,choosing to be a homosexual has never made sense to me. Why choose to make your life any harder than it has to be?

I used to think that too. But perhaps in the same way alcoholics choose it.

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Biff Tannen  posted on  2012-07-05   10:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#29)

If you do have a choice,choosing to be a homosexual has never made sense to me.

That is lame. I guess pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles. It wouldn't make any sense for someone to choose to be a pedophile. It makes no sense to you. Why would a pedhphile make their life any harder then it is by your thinking. So according to closet sneakypeter pedophiles must be born that way. They should have laws protecting them. That is the conclusion of your very faulty and treacherously immoral thought malfunction process.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-05   11:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)

I guess pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles.

No,they don't. That's why they can never be cured and why they will NEVER stop molesting children. They have no choice. They were wired that way at birth.

Not that this excuses them. The only thing it excuses is giving them life without parole in a prison or mental institution for first offenses. Even pedophiles that have been chemically or surgically castrated continue to molest children.

It wouldn't make any sense for someone to choose to be a pedophile.

Ok,you have finally said something rational.

Why would a pedhphile make their life any harder then it is by your thinking.

No,that is YOUR thinking because you think all people are like you and get to choose their sexual orientation.

So according to closet sneakypeter pedophiles must be born that way.

Was that another choice YOU could have made? Yes,or no?

They should have laws protecting them.

Look,I never said that because I know for a fact that some people are born without a choice in the matter. I do understand your concern by you because you obviously did/do have a choice. You obviously took the choice you thought was safest,and nobody can blame you for that. Which makes my point about why would a bi-sexual that has a choice choose to be a homosexual.

It almost sounds like you are mad that felt like you had a choice taken away from you.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-05   11:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#4)

Homosexuals are in high positions all over our government precisely because they are easily controlled by blackmail.

And the fault for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the fundie Christians that have demonized them and driven them into hiding. If it wasn't for the fear of exposure and losing their careers and families,there would be nothing to blackmail them over.

Your comments may have held water in the 70s and maybe the 80s. There is no longer any "shame" in government with regards to sexual preference. They stopped asking those questions in the 90s and omit them in background checks. Our society has "come out" and so being an open homosexual in government is actually celebrated now. Embassy gay pride parades in the green zone in Baghdad and now at the pentagon is proof your comments are incorrect. We "fundies" as you call us are fighting the legal battle to keep the homosexualists out of indoctrinating our schools, after school programs and activities. So how is that "forcing" homosexuals back in the closet?

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redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-05   16:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete, Liberator, SJN (#8)

Or are you denying that the bigotry towards homosexuals in housing,jobs,and every other aspect of their lives by the various religions has had anything to do with this?

Pete, you need to stick your head out the window because the times "hava changed." Christians, especially Christian business owners are being sued for silly things like refusing to photograph a gay wedding. Then there was the "Just Cookies" Christian owner who was sued using a city law because he refused to make rainbow cupcakes for a gay pride event. The issue was not the rainbow color and discrimination of gays, the dude just made cookies like his business name indicated. Then there is the SLPC encouraging the DHS to black list Christian and secular political organizations from fighting against gay causes. There is an active campaign by the so called Human Rights Foundation (a gay 'rights' organization) to silence any opposition by getting the SLPC and DHS to call those opposed to gay marriage and gay education in schools and gay adoption as 'extremists' that should be on a watch list. So who is doing the silencing and intimidation? And just recently, let us not forget the atheists. An atheist is suing a restaurant because it gave the Sunday morning church crowd a 10% discount if they showed a church, any church bulletin. The atheist in question stated he did it because he did not like the perceived self righteousness of the restaurant owner and the church people of the county. So how libertarian is that? A business owner cannot even give out discounts to compete with other business owners. Thought that was entrepreneurship.

Please catch up with what is actually happening.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-05   16:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#31)

That is lame. I guess pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles. It wouldn't make any sense for someone to choose to be a pedophile. It makes no sense to you. Why would a pedhphile make their life any harder then it is by your thinking. So according to closet sneakypeter pedophiles must be born that way. They should have laws protecting them. That is the conclusion of your very faulty and treacherously immoral thought malfunction process.

Correct. That is why NAMBLA is starting to take the same playbook of the homosexual lobby by starting with the APA. The APA is close to making a statement that pedophiles are not sick. The only thing that holds pedophiles back in a society without the morals of God is a civil law that can be changed by deranged politicians. We saw it happen in NY.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-05   16:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#33)

Your comments may have held water in the 70s and maybe the 80s. There is no longer any "shame" in government with regards to sexual preference. They stopped asking those questions in the 90s and omit them in background checks.

Have you explained this to the Republican that lost his office after some incident in a public rest room at a airport?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-06   0:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: redleghunter (#34)

Christians, especially Christian business owners are being sued for silly things like refusing to photograph a gay wedding.

And I agree with you that sort of thing is every bit as wrong as discriminating against them.

It's even as un-Constitutional. If you can't make up your own mind about who you want to associate with or do business with,where is the guaranteed Freedom of Association right?

Then there was the "Just Cookies" Christian owner who was sued using a city law because he refused to make rainbow cupcakes for a gay pride event.

Let me ask you this. Do you agree with me that it was un-Constitutional for him to be sued for this? And even more un-Constitutional given that it was an organ of government (city) suing him?

IF you do agree,riddle me this. Why didn't some of the rich fundie churches or individuals cough up the money to fight this discrimination in court?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-06   0:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#36)

Have you explained this to the Republican that lost his office after some incident in a public rest room at a airport?

Interesting you note that. Congress did not throw that bum out, the people told him he would not have their support, and then he retired. Plus as an observer of politics you should know there is one standard for GOP politicians and another for Democrats. The demonRATs celebrate and encourage perversion so they get a pass.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-06   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#37)

Let me ask you this. Do you agree with me that it was un-Constitutional for him to be sued for this? And even more un-Constitutional given that it was an organ of government (city) suing him?

IF you do agree,riddle me this. Why didn't some of the rich fundie churches or individuals cough up the money to fight this discrimination in court?

I agree and Christian lawyers did provide representation and funding in this case and in others. The main group helping out Christian business owners, students and teachers is the ACLJ:

Led by Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow, the ACLJ focuses on constitutional and human rights law worldwide. Based in Washington, D.C., with affiliated offices in Israel, Russia, Kenya, France, Pakistan, and Zimbabwe, the ACLJ is pro-life and dedicated to the ideal that religious freedom and freedom of speech are inalienable, God-given rights for all people. The ACLJ engages legal, legislative, and cultural issues by implementing an effective strategy of advocacy, education, and litigation that includes representing clients before the Supreme Court of the United States and international tribunals around the globe.

Other groups are the Christian Legal Society and Alliance Defense Fund. In most cases all these organizations front the bill from donations given by Christians in the USA and other countries. Most recently, the aforementioned organizations (which are Christian based) have supported student and teacher free speech cases in school districts throughout the USA.

So yeah, the left is pounding 1st Amendment free speech in every corner of America and Christians are forking out a lot of dough to defend other Christians and Jews in legal cases. It is all part of the Left's campaign to silence opposing speech and ideas. Christians are just one of their targets. You know well the others.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-06   14:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: redleghunter (#38) (Edited)

Plus as an observer of politics you should know there is one standard for GOP politicians and another for Democrats.

You're right. Homosexual Dims can't be blackmailed by fear of losing office.

They can only be blackmailed if they fear losing their family.

Republicans can,though. Even alleged Republicans. Most go so far to cover it up that they actually get married. Even Barney Frank got married in order to appear to be a "family man" early in his political career.

So did that Republican out in California that married the Greek opportunist Arrianna Huffington,and got her a Green Card. He dumped her the instant he left politics and came out of the closet,so she immediately started blowing Dims. Now she is a Billionaire on her own.

Why else do you think Lady Lindsey and Boy Jorge are still deep in the closet?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-06   15:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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