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Title: Rand Paul puts forward measure that would force the Senate to read bills
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti ... senate-to-read-bills-it-passes
Published: Jul 3, 2012
Author: Pete Kasperowicz
Post Date: 2012-07-03 07:20:19 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 2052
Comments: 8

After blasting the Senate last week for passing a 600-page bill no one had time to read, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) introduced legislation that would force the Senate to give its members one day to read bills for every 20 pages they contain.

"For goodness sakes, this is a 600-page bill. I got it this morning," Paul said Friday, just before the Senate approved a massive bill extending highway funding, federal flood insurance and low student loans rates.

"Not one member of the Senate will read this bill before we vote on it," he added.

Paul also introduced related legislation Friday, S. 3359, that would prohibit the inclusion of more than one subject in a single bill.

The highway-flood-student loan bill came up just one day before authorization for highway spending was set to expire, and two days before the interest rate on loans was set to double to 6.8 percent. But Paul said that is no excuse for rushing a bill to the floor without giving senators a chance to learn what's in it.

He also noted that Senate rules require bills to be held for 48 hours before they receive a vote so members can read them, but said the Senate failed to follow even that minimal rule.

"At the very least, we ought to adhere to our own rules," he said. "Forty-eight hours is still a challenge to find out everything in here."

The Senate voted 72-22 to waive the rule requiring a 48-hour layover, after Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and other Republicans raised a point of order against the bill because it came up too quickly.

Republicans also raised two other points of order against the bill last week in order to speed it to the floor. One, from Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), argued that the bill would spend $2.5 billion more than what was agreed as part of last year's debt-ceiling agreement and later enshrined in the Budget Control Act.

The Senate rejected Corker's point of order after Democrats argued that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says it will reduce the deficit over 10 years.

Corker, however, argued that the bill still violates the Budget Control Act, and said it shows Congress still does not have the discipline to rein in spending.

"According to CBO, this is paid for the old way, where we spend all the money in a year or two and then it is paid for over 10," Corker said. He added that voting against his point of order "says we don't have the discipline, the courage, or the will to do what we told the American people we would do to try to get our fiscal house in order."

The other point of order was raised by Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.), who argued that the final bill as negotiated by House and Senate leaders included new language requiring an accelerated study on the threats posted by the Asian carp in the Great Lakes. Coats said that provision was passed by neither the Senate nor the House, and should not be included in the final bill.

But his point of order was also waived by the Senate.

Paul indicated that the Asian carp example was one of many new issues that could be in the bill, but would likely go undetected until long after it is passed.

"I passed two senators in the hall going back to their office, still trying to get out something that's been written in this bill that affects their states that they found out minutes ago," Paul said Friday morning. "Had they not found out about it, nobody would have known about it."

The highway bill, H.R. 4348, was ultimately passed 74-19 in the Senate, and was approved 373-52 in the House — all "no" votes in the House came from Republicans.

While the bill officially ended the debate on highway funding, flood insurance and student loans, Congress acted too late to have the measure signed into law by President Obama over the weekend.

Instead, both the House and Senate approved a bill extending the highway and student loan rate for one week, because several days are needed to prepare the bill for the president's signature.


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The real deal. He should be president. If anyone can't that they are really dumb.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

THAT's a bill that ain't going to find much love.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-03   9:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

They routinely ignore other laws, and their own rules, why should they follow this?

Regards, Stoner

Stoner  posted on  2012-07-03   11:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Stoner (#2)

They routinely ignore other laws, and their own rules, why should they follow this?

Because this will be the only law targeted specifically at THEM. It applies to no other living creature in the world. Just them.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-07-03   13:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

"For goodness sakes, this is a 600-page bill. I got it this morning," Paul said Friday, just before the Senate approved a massive bill extending highway funding, federal flood insurance and low student loans rates. "Not one member of the Senate will read this bill before we vote on it," he added.

AKA Stone: The real deal. He should be president. If anyone can't that they are really dumb.

He's an idiot.

He should spend more time reading John Locke:

"He" (the supreme executive) "also acts contrary to his trust, when he either employs the force, treasure and offices of the society, to corrupt the representatives, and gain them to his purposes; or openly pre- engages the electors, and prescribes to their choice, such, whom he has by solicitations, threats, promises, or otherwise won them to his designs, and employs them to bring in such, who have promised beforehand, what to vote, and what to enact". (Second Treatise, Chapter 19).

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-03   13:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)

IF Senator Paul could get these two bills voted in for the Senate, in the case of being able to read the darn bill, and for the entire Congress requiring single issue bills, much of what ails the nation could be curbed.

Given it isn't going to happen, we will continue to see them mindlessly voting for continuing resolutions and bills that contain everything but the kitchen sink--and that will probably be in the next batch of garbage called legislation! And ignoring their own chamber rules.

The matter of not reading these bills before voting on them gets me the most. They have the attitude they can always clean up the mess in Aisle 5 later. By the time that mess is found and possibly corrected, they have voted on a bazillion other pieces of garbage legislation.

Who gave them the idea they have to always be voting more laws? They don't even honor the ones on the books, or their own chambers rules, for crying out loud.

I recall many years back the bill the Senate was to vote on regarding GATT, contained an enormous number of pages (over 2,000). I recall this because I thought to myself there were more pages in that legislation than there were in my Bible! Even knowing my subject matter, I couldn't skim read my entire Bible in a day

I recall some organization (maybe Heritage Foundation) offering to any Senator who would read the bill and answer a couple of questions a large sum of money would be donated to charity in their name.

Only one Senator took them up on it, Senator Hank Brown, R-CO. He read it, answered the questions correctly; refused to vote for it, and did not run for office again.

He was another decent Senator; too bad they lost him while keeping the likes of Booby Hatch, and a lot of others.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-04   16:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)

I used to look at your posts and respect your opinion. I've learned you are pretty much a dumb ass. Slightly better then a libtard.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-04   17:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#6) (Edited)


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-04   17:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)

I used to look at your posts and respect your opinion.

Your point is noted. Too bad I've never respected yours.

I've learned you are pretty much a dumb ass.

You've already demonstrated you don't learn. You keep falling for the same stupid shit, over and over, like Charlie Brown, while Lucy holds the football.

You're a fucking idiot, part of the vast majority who would rather die than think (Thomas Alva Edison).

Have you even heard of John Locke, or is this simply another part of your public skool education that missed such people? You should look him up... he's the philosophical basis for the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution.

Get educated on the subject, lest you continue to look like a "dumbass."

Feh.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-05   1:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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