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Title: Here listen christines point of view.
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URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=146916&Disp=63#C63
Published: Jun 8, 2012
Author: christine
Post Date: 2012-06-08 18:54:00 by A K A Stone
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Views: 35940
Comments: 76

good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

christine posted on 2012-06-08


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#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

"there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour....this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles."

I'm afraid I'm on christines side with this issue, she pretty much nailed how I feel about Ron Paul.

If you have a rational explanation for his betrayal of those who trusted him, and why his son, Rand, would compromise his principles, lets hear it. Thanks!

Murron  posted on  2012-06-08   19:41:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Murron (#3)

If you have a rational explanation for his betrayal of those who trusted him, and why his son, Rand, would compromise his principles, lets hear it. Thanks!

The race is over. Only the delusional think Ron Paul can still win. He doesn't have the numbers.

It is Obama or Romney. Choose sides. One of those two definitely will be president. Romney isn't perfect or even close, but he has more in common with us then Obama ever will.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-08   19:47:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone, Murron (#4)

If you have a rational explanation for his betrayal of those who trusted him, and why his son, Rand, would compromise his principles, lets hear it. Thanks! The race is over. Only the delusional think Ron Paul can still win. He doesn't have the numbers.

It's not about winning,it's about contradicting everything you have said you stood for in order to support the party machine. I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* sure didn't expect either Paul to turn around and start supporting Rombama.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09   1:13:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#28)

I didn't expect me to be supporting Romney either.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-09   1:16:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#30)

Any of you in a swing state where it will matter at all?

I can vote for Captain Crunch and my "vote" still goes to the Republican because he'd lose Utah if he lost my state.

As for "sending a message" with a write-in vote, you should understand that those are never reported unless the guy you're writing in has filed paperwork. Many states forbid any recording or reporting of write-ins.

However, you shouldn't leave blanks on the ballot either. Dishonest election workers could fill in their preference over your blank vote as long as they leave a few blanks in there so that the election reporting doesn't reveal they are stealing votes from those who don't vote a particular office on the ballot.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-09   11:29:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: TooConservative (#33)

Actually, no. Oregon has not been a swing state since 2004 during the Kerry/Bush race.

This time I am going to do grass roots work for Congressman Peter DeFazio who has a nut ball of an opponent to deal with. That is how I deal with a frustrating presidential race, I move to what level i can stay involved in the process and effect the good i want to.

After all, I am a political animal and need to exercise my political efficacy.

In 2004 the Republicans paid to try to get Nader into the race in Oregon by instigating an initiative petition to get him on the ballot.

I was working as a custodian in a building owned by Portland Saturday Market as part of my duties doing set-up, tear down, and other support functions for the market that runs on the weekend most of the year.

I found proof of fraud by watching their workers, and because I had access to their garbage which the SCOTUS ruled is public domain once it enters the trash flow.

I spoke as the whistle blower at the press conference at the SEIU Union HQ during the announcement of an investigation into this. And it resulted in Nader being kept off the ballot, and of course Kerry carried oregon in November.

So that is an instance in which I had a direct impact locally in a national race.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09 11:49:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#33)

Any of you in a swing state where it will matter at all?

I'm not even interested enough to know this cycle. I know I was prepared to vote for Obama the last time if it looked like McLunatic would win here,but thankfully that didn't happen.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09 11:51:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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