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Title: Rand Paul Endorses Mitt Romney
Source: RollCall
URL Source: http://atr.rollcall.com/rand-paul-endoses-mitt-romney/
Published: Jun 7, 2012
Author: By Ryan Teague Beckwith and Joshua Mille
Post Date: 2012-06-08 07:38:21 by We The People
Keywords: None
Views: 9298
Comments: 72

Rand Paul Endorses Mitt Romney

(Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call File Photo)

Updated: 11:02 p.m.| Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney said this afternoon that he is “honored” to be endorsed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).

Paul’s father, Rep. Ron Paul (Texas), had run for the Republican presidential nomination against Romney in 2008 and this election cycle, but he essentially conceded the race in an email to supporters today.

“When it is all said and done, we will likely have as many as 500 supporters as delegates on the convention floor,” he wrote, according to the Houston Chronicle. “That is just over 20 percent! And while this total is not enough to win the nomination, it puts us in a tremendous position to grow our movement and shape the future of the GOP!”

In response to Sen. Paul’s endorsement, Romney praised his record.

“Sen. Paul has been a leading voice in the effort to scale back the size and reach of government and promote liberty,” he said, adding that he looks forward to “working with him to get America back on the right track.”

Sen. Paul, himself, is widely thought to harbor ambitions for higher office. “The assumption throughout the political community in Kentucky is that he’s a one-term Senator who is running for president in 2016,” said a Republican consultant deeply familiar with Kentucky. (1 image)

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#1. To: We The People (#0)

Smart move by Rand. He didn't alienate the Republican base like his father did. Much smarter politically then Ron.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-08   7:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Since Rombama is nothing more than another Obama/Bush,what it makes him is a political whore if he is looking for or accepts a VP nomination.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-08   8:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Smart move by Rand. He didn't alienate the Republican base like his father did. Much smarter politically then Ron.

I agree.


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jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-08   9:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#2)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   9:30:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#2) (Edited)

Since Rombama is nothing more than another Obama/Bush,what it makes him is a political whore if he is looking for or accepts a VP nomination.

I'm not convinced of that at this point.

Bush was a reckless big spender that derailed the 1990s GOP agenda of flat taxes and fiscal responsibility.

I think Romney, Paul Ryan and certainly Colburn, DeMint, and Rand Paul are serious about getting the country's fiscal in order.

Romney is not going to launch any new entitlement programs like Bush and Obama did. I am almost certain that he's going to wind up reforming medicare, medicaid and social security. He's really not going to have any choice.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-08   9:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#5)

I agree.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-08   9:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Smart move by Rand. He didn't alienate the Republican base like his father did. Much smarter politically then Ron.

I agree. While I don't agree with the endorsement, I think it was a savvy move on his part. He's playing the game.

What I don't like is, that Romney is the exact opposite of everything that Rand says he stands for, so it makes Rand look like a typical politician, meaning, something less than honest.

Which is smarter, saying what you mean and being completely honest or 'playing the game' and doing the less honest but politically expedient thing?

Tell the truth or lie to get ahead?

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"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-06-08   10:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#1)

The neocons won't be able to blame Willie-Mitt's loss on "paultards" anymore, even though they'll try. The progressive neo-tard bushbots will get all the heat for queering the election. They're in the trash can, headed for the ash-heap of history. Bye bye, globalist anti-American neocon traitors.


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hondo68  posted on  2012-06-08   11:24:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Smart move by Rand. He didn't alienate the Republican base like his father did. Much smarter politically then Ron.

Bullshit.

He dishonors his father. He'll pay a heavy price for that treachery.

I find it ironic, that I support Rand Paul's dad, more than he does.

What a sad charade our elections have become. How pathetic.

That you would try to white-wash this, makes me ask the logical question:

Exactly whose side are you on, anyway???

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-08   18:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Capitalist Eric (#9)

I find it ironic, that I support Rand Paul's dad, more than he does.

Ron Paul already said he doesn't have the delegates. He said this prior to Rand endorsing Romney.

Rand Paul is smarter then his dad.

Ron Paul couldn't even get behind constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-08   18:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Rand Paul is smarter then his dad.

That will be the day.

He just threw away any cred he had, to endorse the neocon candidate. You never win by striking a bargain with the devil... That's just common sense.

Ron Paul couldn't even get behind constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

Classic straw-man argument.

Bottom line: you're grasping at straws to rationalize betrayal.

You demonstrate with an uncommon clarity, why this country is doomed. The elitists lie to your face, shit on you, and you justify it...

Why?

Because you lack the one weapon which would make all the difference: courage.

That so many other Americans are so weak and feckless as you, disgusts me.

Coward.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   13:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)

You demonstrate with an uncommon clarity, why this country is doomed. The elitists lie to your face, shit on you, and you justify it...

Why?

Every person is an individual. You never know exactly what they are going to do. Romney is a different person then Obama. He is going to do things differently. Those are facts, do you agree?

Next. One of the will definitely be president. Would you agree that is a fact also?

Here is another fact. If you compare their positions against each other. Romney is better on some. The best Obama does is tie him.

Examples. They both support the military detention act. So they are a tie and Romney would be no worse.

War on terror. They both support it so a tie again.

Patriot act. They both support it, another tie.

Budget. I would expect Romney to do better. Romney plus 1.

Gay marriage. Obama supports it and even though Romney was governor of a state that did have it he never said he supported it. Again Romney is a little better. Romney plus another 1/2.

Who was it that met with the muslim brotherhood terrorists in the White House. That was Obama. - 1 for Obama Romeney wouldn't do that.

Taxes. Romney plus 1.

I can't think of a single issue that Obama is better then Romney on. Not one. Can you? Do you dispute anything I said here?

Romney sucks and I will vote for him. Some times you have to roll the dice.

If you don't vote one of them will still be president.

If you vote third part one of them will still be president.

I've voted third party before. Perot and Peroutka.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   15:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)

This is SO true!

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   16:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)

Ron Paul couldn't even get behind constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

Classic straw-man argument.

It is true. Why wouldn't anyone who is sane not support constitutinal amendment banning abortion. Is it murder or not. If it is then Ron Pauls position is some states should be allowed to murder their citizens.

Also Ron Paul saying Heroin or crack should be legal is just stupid. Those are losing issues and it is why Ron Paul never really caught on with the majority of Americans. The truth is never a straw man.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   16:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Also Ron Paul saying Heroin or crack should be legal is just stupid

So you think the government should be able to tell you what to do with your own body...I guess you support the ban on soda drinks in New York...next? maybe fast food, salty foods, fatty foods, supplements, vitamins, aspirin or coffee. You see...once you accept the fact government can tell you what you can do with YOUR body, it ceases to belong to YOU...it belongs to THEM. They can't even keep drugs out of prisons...how do you think they can keep them off the streets. Are you for the criminalization of alcohol...it does FAR more damage to society and families than ALL OTHER DRUGS COMBINED. What about the 30% of Americans that a hooked on PERSCRIPTION drugs...is it all OK because the doctors say so...as big pharma makes BILLIONS!

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   16:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

Romney is a different person then Obama. He is going to do things differently. Those are facts, do you agree?

No, I do not agree.

Romney is bought-and-paid-for, by the same elitists that bought and paid for o'Bungler. That he was sighted at the Bidlerberger meeting last week should quash any notions that he'll be (as you say) a "different person." He'll do exactly what he's told to do- pushing endless warfare, crushing whatever vestige of value the dollar has, building the police-state and generally being a worthless POS. Yeah, he's just like o'Bungler, in every way that matters.

If you can't see that, you're delusional.

Next. One of the will definitely be president. Would you agree that is a fact also?

Which means precisely dick.

Here is another fact. If you compare their positions against each other. Romney is better on some. The best Obama does is tie him.

Aw, JEEZ!!!! I was going to post a bunch of pics to make the point, but instead chose only two, which make the point about mcRomney:

You can cherry-pick the various statements he's said, being on both sides of EVERY ISSUE. He has NO MORAL CORE, NO VALUES, NO CREDIBILITY.

I can't think of a single issue that Obama is better then Romney on. Not one. Can you?

Actually, the answer is "yes, I CAN."

You see, when mcRomney continues pushing the police-state machine, mainstream AMERICA will give him a "pass" for a while, because they'll (stupidly) think he's "better than Obama." At least with o'Bungler, we know what we're getting, we know what's coming, and people will be ready to take on the police- state thugs. With mcRomney, they'll be lulled (at least for a while), possibly making it too late for a lot of Americans to prepare for the economic collapse that IS COMING.

[Seriously, you need to read Cicero more.]

Other than that, I don't see any difference between mcRomney and o'Bungler.

I will not allow myself to fall into the false paradigm that you so foolishly still believe in. I'll write in Ron Paul's name. I will vote for him, and not sit at home.

I will not submit to the Kakuki theatrics, and vote for the "lesser of two evils," because that gives tacit approval to evil.

I stand for what I know to be right, and will not submit to anything less.

Romney sucks and I will vote for him. Some times you have to roll the dice.

If that's the best you can do, to justify your cowardice, than you're merely a shadow of a man, with no idea what it means to be a citizen.

If you don't vote one of them will still be president. If you vote third part one of them will still be president.

Another straw-man argument, which is a standard high-school tactic to divert from the truth. Can't say I'm surprised, any more.

I've voted third party before. Perot and Peroutka.

I voted for Perot, and Ron Paul in 2008. I will do the same again, for 2012.

Thankfully, I haven't sacrificed my principles, in the name of convenience.

The government has a boot on all of our necks.

The ONLY way to remove the boot, is to refuse to give your assent to be governed by a bunch of elitists, who have DESTROYED the Constitution of the United States of America. It ROBS the state of its legitimacy.

YOU think there's a difference between whether the boot on the back of your neck is the left one or the right one..... And that switching from the left boot to the right will suddenly make everything better?????

You're delusional.

RASCZAK: You. Tell me the moral difference, if any, between the citizen and the civilian?
JOHNNY: The difference lies in the field of civic virtue. A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The civilian does not.
-- Starship Troopers --

I am a citizen. You are merely a civilian. There IS a difference.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   17:02:39 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Stone: Ron Paul couldn't even get behind constitutional amendment to ban abortion.
Capitalist Eric: Classic straw-man argument.
Stone: It is true. Why wouldn't anyone who is sane not support constitutinal amendment banning abortion.

Maybe you should look up the concepts of "Federalism." I'm quite sure such ideas would be educational for you. 10th Amendment sound familiar? Oh, I thought not.

Going past the concept of "Federalism" itself- which the Constitution was founded upon- is a more practical aspect, and that is of the process of amending the Constitution. Perhaps you should visit that subject some time, and become educated on it, as well.

IF you want to push the pro-life agenda, fine, I have no problems with that. But to successfully get it as an amendment to the constitution would require you change a LOT of hearts and minds out there... So while you can jump up and down on this subject, it doesn't mean diddley-shit. Which means it's a straw-man position, to justify your lack of testicular fortitude.

Sorry, but that's the FACT. LIVE with it, or not, I really don't care.

Also Ron Paul saying Heroin or crack should be legal is just stupid.

Yeah, the pesky CONTITUTION getting in the way again, eh? Read up on the concept of Federalism and "Prohibition," and then get back to me. If you don't have the knowledge to hold up your end of the conversation, than there's no point in continuing this further.

Those are losing issues and it is why Ron Paul never really caught on with the majority of Americans. The truth is never a straw man.

He has always spoken the truth, always been consistent.

Seriously, Stone, I didn't think you'd be this ignorant, regarding the Constitution...

Oh, I know Ron Paul is out of touch by pushing "losing issues" like the Constitution- which is so passe' these days- but it's not because he is out of touch... it's because the majority of the electorate is a bunch of propagandized sheeple just like you.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   17:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: freedomsnotfree (#15) (Edited)

...once you accept the fact government can tell you what you can do with YOUR body, it ceases to belong to YOU...it belongs to THEM.

BINGO.

You see, Stone is actually OK with the police-state telling you what you can't do with your body. Of course, if the state has such power, it always ends up being exercised in the opposite direction from what was intended... Look at China, for example, with forced abortions.

Interestingly, Stone fails to see that the government which has such power never uses such power to help the people, only hurt them.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   17:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: freedomsnotfree, A K A Stone (#13)

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Excellent quote.

Ping to Stone... something you need to consider.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   17:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#18)

Eric...you have obviously educated yourself quite well. You understand the concepts of true freedom...the fact is, while most people talk about loving freedom, it scares the snot out of them...they may scream for THEIR definition of freedom, as long as they can set YOUR freedoms within their boundaries. My son once stated that most people are to stupid to be free... TPTB certainly believe this. Keep up the great work my friend...you are a beacon of sanity among the insane.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   17:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#16)

Romney is a different person then Obama. He is going to do things differently. Those are facts, do you agree?

No, I do not agree.

Then you aren't smart. For no two people vote the exact same every time. Now lets try again. This time be honest and I will read the rest of what you have to say.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   17:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#18)

...once you accept the fact government can tell you what you can do with YOUR body, it ceases to belong to YOU...it belongs to THEM.

BINGO.

From the satanic bible. Do as thou wilt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   17:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#18)

You see, Stone is actually OK with the police-state telling you what you can't do with your body.

So 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack if they have their parents permission?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   17:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

From the satanic bible. Do as thou wilt.

My GOD is Yahweh, my savior is Jesus, the christ... yours, apparently, is government. Your body may belong to the state...mine does not.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   17:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#23)

So 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack if they have their parents permission?

Childish statement Stone. Are you comparing your decision making to that of an 8 year old?

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   17:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#21)

"Then you aren't smart. For no two people vote the exact same every time. Now lets try again. This time be honest and I will read the rest of what you have to say."

And you are voting against a Christian and for a Mormon who believes Christ and Satan were feuding brothers.

Obama does not have my support, and neither does Obama lite, the Rombama.

Romney also supported a woman's right to chose as a governor. Too bad that old belief he used to have on abortion is fine in your book.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-11   17:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Here are two of the clearest statements of his position.

• In a debate during his 1994 race against Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy, Romney said, "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country." Referring to the 1973 Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal in every state, Romney added, "I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, it should be sustained and supported. And I sustain and support that law and support the right of a woman to make that choice."

• In his 2002 campaign for governor, Romney said during a debate, "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."

We believe that these two comments -- made in highly public forums and eight years apart -- represent pretty solid evidence that Romney was an abortion-rights supporter during that phase of his political career. (A few other media sources that provide a detailed accounting of the nuances of Romney’s abortion views can be found here and here.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-evolved-significantly-his-position-abo/

You don't want to believe me on my stand against abortion, and you have gone after me because i once was pro-abortion.

But with Romney, it's OK if he was a public servant who preserved and protected a policy that ended the lives of babies in Massachusetts.

Get your shit straight son, before you rail at me about integrity.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-11   18:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Stone: Romney is a different person then Obama. He is going to do things differently. Those are facts, do you agree?
Capitalist Eric: No, I do not agree.
Stone: Then you aren't smart.

Then you didn't read the rest of my answer. Here, I'll REPOST it again, for your edification:

Romney is bought-and-paid-for, by the same elitists that bought and paid for o'Bungler. That he was sighted at the Bidlerberger meeting last week should quash any notions that he'll be (as you say) a "different person." He'll do exactly what he's told to do- pushing endless warfare, crushing whatever vestige of value the dollar has, building the police-state and generally being a worthless POS. Yeah, he's just like o'Bungler, in every way that matters.

I'm smart enough to recognize a lying sack of shit when I see him. Romney, o'Bunger...? TWO lying sacks of shit.

It is you who isn't smart. Pity.

I expected more from you. Instead, you fold like a cheap suit.

So 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack if they have their parents permission?

Now you use the LoonyMing tactic, extrapolating to absurd heights? PLEASE. Such tactics smack of desperation.

AGAIN, look up the concepts of "Federalism," and study the subject of PROHIBITION very carefully, Stone... Your emotional responses make you look as weak and stupid as... well, LoonyMing.

Again, I expected better from you. What a shame...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   18:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: freedomsnotfree (#20)

Eric...you have obviously educated yourself quite well. You understand the concepts of true freedom...

Thanks for the kind words.

Learning the truth has been bitter-sweet... And what I see coming scares the HELL out of me... because I recognize the historical signs.

I take no pleasure in what I see, believe me.

Stay safe.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   18:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: freedomsnotfree (#25)

So 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack if they have their parents permission?

Childish statement Stone. Are you comparing your decision making to that of an 8 year old?

Answer the question. Should it be legal. I said if the parents consent.

If you say it shouldn't. I just blew your theory out of the water.

If you said it should be lawful you are consistent but that is an evil position.

The ball is in your court. Please answer if 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Capitalist Eric (#28)

Romney is bought-and-paid-for, by the same elitists that bought and paid for o'Bungler. That he was sighted at the Bidlerberger meeting last week should quash any notions that he'll be (as you say) a "different person." He'll do exactly what he's told to do- pushing endless warfare, crushing whatever vestige of value the dollar has, building the police-state and generally being a worthless POS. Yeah, he's just like o'Bungler, in every way that matters.

You said they are identical. Meaning they will case every vote the same 100 percent of the time. You are insane if you think that. If you don't think that you just conceded my point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#28)

So 8 year olds should be able to smoke crack if they have their parents permission?

Now you use the LoonyMing tactic, extrapolating to absurd heights? PLEASE. Such tactics smack of desperation.

No I am taking your position to its logical conclusion.

Don't be a pussy. Answer the question. Should crack be legal for 8 year olds?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

And you are voting against a Christian and for a Mormon who believes Christ and Satan were feuding brothers.

Obama isn't a christian. Quit pretending he is. He is a liar. He just said that because if he admitted he was a muslim he wouldn't have won. Muslims are liars their toilet paper book the Koran tells them to be liars. Just like wiccans. Your father is the devil father of lies and murders.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#27)

But with Romney, it's OK if he was a public servant who preserved and protected a policy that ended the lives of babies in Massachusetts.

That is a valid criticism of my position.

Here is how I deal with it. Obama is surely for abortion. Romney might or might not be. I hope he lives up to being against it. If he doesn't he wont get my vote twice.

I guess I am not perfect and you can call me a bit of a hypocrite on this one. Just keeping it honest.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: freedomsnotfree (#24)

My GOD is Yahweh, my savior is Jesus, the christ... yours, apparently, is government. Your body may belong to the state...mine does not.

When you put certain things in your body you don't act the same. You can kill people when you use certain substances. You can support crack for 8 year olds. I don't and never will.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   18:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

Learning the truth has been bitter-sweet...

I agree Eric....it has been bitter-sweet. I was pretty involved in politics at one time and I thought "if only people knew", it would change. Some people not only don't "want to know", they get angry if you try to wake them from their slumber. GOD gives us the love of the truth and I firmly believe there are many that are blinded from the reality around us. Keep the faith "my friend in freedom", the truth you speak is from the ages, as history has shown us over and over again. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You are a Patrick Henry of our times...

“We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.” — Patrick Henry, Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   18:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)

You can kill people when you use certain substances. You can support crack for 8 year olds. I don't and never will.

Killing someone IS a crime and a violation of someones most basic rights...the right to life. I don't, and never will, support crack for 8 years old...but I'm not 8, and I don't need government telling me what I can do with the body GOD gave ME...it's mine, not the governments. I'm sure, when the time comes, for government wanting to "chip" their property, you'll apparently be first in line.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-11   18:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Answer the question. Should it be legal. I said if the parents consent.

Another straw-man argument.

Aren't you a little old for these childish games?

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   19:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#31)

You said they are identical. Meaning they will case every vote the same 100 percent of the time. You are insane if you think that. If you don't think that you just conceded my point.

If, for the sake of discussion, mcRomney had been consistent on ANY ISSUE, you'd have a point.

But the guy talks out of both sides of his mouth. THAT is what he's consistent on....

So instead, I look at who his backers are.

An old Russian expression: Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who YOU are.

And in that light, it boils down to "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Go ahead, Stone... PROVE me wrong. I double-dog dare ya.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-11   19:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: freedomsnotfree (#37)

don't, and never will, support crack for 8 years old...but I'm not 8, and I don't need government telling me what I can do with the body GOD gave ME...it's mine, not the governments. I'm sure, when the time comes, for government wanting to "chip" their property, you'll apparently be first in line.

Making crack and Heroin illegal is not anything close to the mark of the Beast which I will never receive.

The mark is an allegience to the antichrist. Satan is for Heroin beling legal. Think about that.

Bath Salts make you eat human beings. It makes you insane. I guess that is a right you have according to you.

I appreciate your argument and I know where you are coming from. I have some of the same sentiments and I have made some of the same arguments in the past. I posted lots of articles critical of Romeny. I have even considered and still consider not voting for him. I don't like him. But I HATE Obama. What are you going to do in a few years when Obama owns the supreme court and he never leaves? Are you going to think back and wonder if it might have been different if we took a different path. I know you think the paths are the same. But they are not. They will vote differently on lots of different things. They will put different people on the Supreme court. They are two very different paths.

Especially for domestic issues.

So I am not your enemy. I respect your thinking that goes into your position.

But I have kids. Maybe you do too. If Obama go re elected and I didnt do what I could to get rid of that parasite. I think I would regret it. If Obama gets re elected you will wonder too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-11   19:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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