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Title: Obama team trumpets new polling on gay marriage
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... 46fc7c6cfd4cfc90e3f659765e97df
Published: May 23, 2012
Author: JULIE PACE
Post Date: 2012-05-23 17:23:21 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 13252
Comments: 46

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's re-election campaign is beginning to express some confidence that the president's historic, yet politically risky, embrace of gay marriage may not hurt him in the November election.

In a conference call announcing efforts to get gay and lesbian voters engaged in the Obama campaign, officials said poll numbers on same-sex marriage were increasingly tilting in their favor.

"A lot of recent polls show that support for gay marriage across the country is growing," said Clo Ewing, an Obama campaign spokeswoman.

That includes a Washington Post-ABC News poll out Wednesday showing 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be a legal, a new high for the poll. Thirty-nine percent, a new low, say gay marriage should be illegal.

A separate poll showed that just 7 percent of registered voters said Obama's public support for gay marriage raised concerns about supporting him. For 31 percent of voters, the president's announcement reinforced their support of him and for 62 percent of voters, it did not make a difference, according to the NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll.

Immediately following Obama's announcement of support for gay marriage, White House and campaign aides readily acknowledged that the political fallout was unclear. Obama himself said it was "very hard to say" whether the issue would hurt him in his fall campaign against presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

Despite the new national polling, Obama's embrace of gay marriage comes with political risks. Thirty states have voted against gay marriage, including North Caroline, a key battleground state where voters approved a ban on same-sex unions the day before Obama announced his public support in a television interview.

The president's announcement earlier this month ended his lengthy self-described "evolution" on the hot-button social issue. While the White House insisted Obama always planned to make his views on gay marriage known this summer, some aides worried that doing so could hurt him politically with socially conservative voters in swing states, like Virginia and North Carolina.

Other Obama aides see the president's support for same-sex marriage as an opportunity to boost enthusiasm and fundraising among gay supporters and young people. With that in mind, the Obama campaign has sought to turn the president's embrace of gay marriage into an area of contrast with Romney, highlighting the former Massachusetts governor's support for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex unions.

"Romney's position on same-sex marriage is also historic but not in the way it should be," said Joe Solmonese, a co-chair of Obama's campaign. "He has pledged to write discrimination into the constitution."

The Obama campaign also announced a new effort Wednesday to boost voter registration and turnout in the gay and lesbian community through phone banks, house parties and other grassroots outreach efforts.

Follow Julie Pace at http://twitter.com/jpaceDC.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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#6. To: Brian S (#4)

Do you support gay "marriage"? You know kind of like a round square.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-23   21:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone, Ibluafartski, yukon, Mad Dog, All (#6)

YOU support "gays" and "gay marriage." How do we know? Your support of Ibluafartski and yukon & Mad Dog, all interlocking LF last year.

Congrats, 0bama supporter.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-23   22:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

I assume you mean the fourth trumpet in Revelation 8:12, yes?

What is the purpose of the hoodie and logo? I'm missing the nuance.

Dial it back a couple of notches. You are over-thinking this...

;)

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-05-23   23:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Brian S (#8)

So you do support "gay marriage". That is sick. Should Ferret Mike be allowed t marry that pile of shit that the trucker left in the toilet?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-24   0:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#8) (Edited)

heh Sorry if my humor was on the dry side.

Rule of thumb; if I'm quoting the Bible, I'm joking about something. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-24   2:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Get your head out of the toilet, boy.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-24   2:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

Get your head out of the toilet, boy.

What for? That's where it belongs.

meguro  posted on  2012-05-24   6:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

Get your head out of the toilet, boy.

No need to worry Mike. I don't want your "bride". I was just going to flush it but I'll leave your bride alone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-24   7:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

Which is something hate mongers going after homosexuality should take note of. Their hatred and desire to destroy their particular group they scapegoat in the same fashion is ultimately going to get them nowhere too.

Comparing Gays to Jews is like trying to compare a wood shed to a Cadillac, no similarity whatsoever!!!!

Most people would absolutely care less about the gays if they went about their peversion quietly in their own homes.... But since that's not the case (in fact it's the opposite most of the time) most people have grown tired of their contortions, intolerance, exhibitionism and illusory superiority!!!!

Oh by the way if my stepmother (a German Jew who managed to survive for 12 years in Hitlers Germany) was still alive she would disagree with your opinion that most Germans were cluless as to what was going on with the Jews... The only reason she managed to survive the war was because people "knew" and did whatever they could to help her and others just like her.....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-24   7:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82 (#14)

Oh by the way if my stepmother (a German Jew who managed to survive for 12 years in Hitlers Germany)

You better be glad she was your step mother and you don't have any of that Jew blood in you. ;)

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-24   7:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#14)

Nobody has to hide for the minor fact about them such as their sexual orientation. There is not a damn thing wrong with homosexuality.

If someone discriminates against someone for being gay, they should be able to take legal action against them for it, be it for job discrimination, the right to marry so they can't be kept out of their loved one's room by intolerant blood relatives of him or her, or to go after an employer for bothering them with something that is very normative human traits to protect their jobs.

In Eugene, Oregon, one cannot discriminate against people for jobs, housing or any harassment in a public place. I helped a friend by testifying for them when they were fired from their job because I heard and saw his rights being violated.

He got his job back and his employer had to pay damages to him. That is how the system should work. I have no sympathy for you because of the disease of hatred and intolerance you suffer from.

You really need to get your head out of your forth point of contact and wake up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-24   9:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

I have no sympathy for you because of the disease of hatred and intolerance you suffer from.

Hatred no, total lack of respect yes!!!

If I wanted their "Difference" flaunted in my face I would ask... I haven't asked but they still seem to think they need to do so, to me and many others in this country (guess they think they're "Special")..... As far as I'm concerned they can keep it to themselves in the privacy of their own home/closet.... but they don't seem to want to do that either.... Just like some religious people I know, they've got to push their beliefs off onto others!!!

I guess their actions either go right over your head or you choose to ignore them, I don't know which or really care for that matter.... But I do know they aren't "ALL" you think them to be....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-24   18:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

There is not a damn thing wrong with homosexuality

There are a whole lot of "Credible" psychiatrists and most of the population that disagree with you!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-24   18:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: CZ82 (#18)

All the credible, well vetted research says otherwise.

But you are going to always claim otherwise despite the evidence.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-24   21:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

All the credible, well vetted research says otherwise.

But you are going to always claim otherwise despite the evidence.

You mean all of the evidence the AMA and the APA were sued into accepting even though it is false????

Or are you talking about all of the "evidence" (LOL) that gay psychologists use???? (Why do you think they became psychologists in the first place)?????

You do know that sodomy is still a crime, right!!!!

You know that Pedophilia is a crime, right!!! (perps of almost 50% of all cases reported)....

And it won't be long before knowingly spreading HIV will be a crime!!!! And you know who the #1 perpetrator of that crime is???

So don't tell me about "ignoring evidence" when your willing to ignore it yourself!!!

So who's the one anyway????? Yourself???? Family member???? Friend???? Ex- wife??? You don't have to answer I'm not really expecting one and frankly I could care less, but it explains a lot!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   7:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: CZ82 (#20)

You sound hysterical, Mr !!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which is not surprising as your emotions and not intellect is the thing I see most at play with you. It IS a crime to knowingly spread HIV. People have been charged and convicted of it. And this includes men passing the disease on to women too.

Also pedophilia is not sex with consenting adults, so this means nothing in this discussion.

Also, many men and their women partners have sodomy, and there is nothing evil about the practice. And laws passed for reasons of irrational hatred of others like you suffer from often begets bad policy and law. and this is that sort of law .

And far from 'ignoring' evidence, I have bothered to read research papers available at the AMA site, and all well done, impartial research supports my point of view, not yours.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   9:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike, CZ82, A K A Stone (#16) (Edited)

"There is not a damn thing wrong with homosexuality."

You are so wrong!

Since you actually believe you have no God that you will eventually have to answer to for your sins, I'll leave HIM out of it, this time. If todays 'radical' homosexuals did not interfere with families, their children, our health, and this enconomy, and Civil Rights you think we don't have, no one would give a rats ass what you screwed in private, but privacy is not what they want, they are not satisfied with just committing their perversion in private, they want to shove it down the throats of everyone in the world and force them like it, or else, and that's just not going to happen without a BLOODY FIGHT! ~ jmho!

"Caving into the homosexual agenda will lead to the radical marginalization of those who oppose homosexual practice (that's me) and, ultimately, the criminalization of opposition to homosexual behavior.

Homosexual activism represents the greatest threat to civil and religious liberties for our children. At stake are such things as: mandatory indoctrination of our children in all school systems, public and accredited private, from kindergarten on, through convocations, skits, videos, workshops, and teacher instruction; loss of one’s job if one does not sign a statement saying that one “values sexual orientation differences”; mandatory workplace attendance of “Gay Pride” events and “Coming Out” celebrations; fines and even imprisonment for speaking out against homosexual practice, even in church services; having one’s children taken out of one’s own home for teaching “homophobic” ideas or, if one’s child professes a homoerotic proclivity, for “child abuse”; loss of accreditation of all Christian colleges and even seminaries that cannot prove “non-discrimination” in the hiring practices towards “gays and lesbians” or that permit any faculty to speak or publish in a manner critical of homosexual behavior per se; and refusal of colleges and universities to admit any students who do not sign statements affirming the value of homoerotic relationships."

SOURCE

************************************

As a Christian, I agree with the biblical condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle. However, we are living in a nation and world that increasingly rejects biblical norms. To defend traditional sexual morality against the encroaching threat of homosexuality and other aberrant forms of sexual expression, we need to be able to do more than cite Bible verses. Fortunately, there are plenty of economic reasons for being against this lifestyle and I think as conservatives we need to be able to articulate why our nation cannot afford the extremely high financial costs of this lifestyle at a time when we are confronting dangerously high budget deficits, national debt, and personal debt.

Let's start with AIDS. U.S. Government expenditures on this disease have risen from $200,000 in Fiscal Year 1980-1981 to $23.3 billion for Fiscal Year 2008. These figures have increased steadily over nearly three decades and probably exceed $100 billion. When you factor in what countries all over the world have spent on seeking to diminish this disease, without recognizing the morally aberrant sexual behavior (including heterosexual promiscuity in Africa and elsewhere) causing its spread, we are probably looking at U.S. expenditures of over $1 trillion dollars. I can't even begin to calculate the potential global expenditures on this. Think of how much constructively such money could have been spent on public health issues such as improved sanitation, immunizations, and other more worthwhile programs instead of promoting immoral and self- destructive behavior through needle exchanges and widespread condom distribution. The money invested on AIDS research could be returned to taxpayers or transferred to more worthwhile areas of public health research such as cancer, heart disease, combating pandemic conditions like H1N1 flu, and promoting responsible sexual behavior such as monogamy within heterosexual marriage.

Our ongoing U.S. political debate over health care reform also needs to factor in the economic costs of homosexual and other sexually deviant behaviors on our health care system in terms of pharmaceutical drugs, tainted blood supplies, and requiring doctors and nurses to treat sexually transmitted diseases which would be less likely to occur if people practiced chastity outside of heterosexual marriage and monogamy within such marriage. As human beings, we are actually capable of such restraint. Anyone who studies prison conditions knows that AIDS is a reality in many correctional facilities due to the occurrence of rape. I'm not sure how systematically the Justice Dept's Bureau of Justice Statistics keeps track of prison rape statistics or other instances of same sex sexual assault, but that also has economic implications not to mention the psychological trauma experienced by all rape victims. I have seen one Bureau of Justice Statistics study indicating that 90% of prison rapes are from male on male sexual activity. This particular problem was serious enough to cause Congress to pass legislation in 2003 creating a Prison Rape Elimination Commission which issued its report earlier this year. The presence of sex offender registries, which require significant law enforcement staff time and expense to update and maintain, is another demonstration of the high economic costs of sexually deviant behavior. The sad practice of so many companies and universities adopting domestic partner benefits in a misguided effort to attract employees drives up insurance costs for these companies and prevents them from providing additional coverage to those of us adhering to traditional sexual moral standards. It also requires these companies to pass on the costs of their goods and services beyond normal inflationary trends. Additionally, it also probably makes it more difficult for them to expand their businesses and create additional jobs in an economy coping with near double digit unemployment rates. The 2002 Corporate Resource Councils study Do Domestic Partner Benefits Make Good Sense? (available on their website (www.corporateresourcescouncil.org/) demonstrates that such investments are counterproductive to good business sense for most employers and that it's more economical for employers to promote healthy employee marriages because married employees are generally more dependable and motivated workers.

The homosexual lifestyle also affects areas such as life insurance, estate planning, real estate, divorce law if same-sex marriage occurs on a widespread basis, and investments as firms providing these services have to factor in how to treat same sex domestic partner issues into their cost calculations. Guess who has to pay for these increased costs and potentially lower investment returns? We do, regardless of whether or not we approve of the homosexual lifestyle. The next time some one tells you how wonderful is the "progress" gays have made in recent decades ask them if they have ever thought about the multiple economic consequences of this "progress" as described in this posting.

They are substantive realities which cannot be denied.

SOURCE

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-05-25   9:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Murron (#22) (Edited)

The views of Dr. Robert Gagnon and others are biased and comparing them to well done research that has been vetted and has helped stop much of the unwarranted bigotry directed against gays and lesbians is no rebuttal that has any weight to it.

Besides, by posting a lengthly post entirely of online material instead of a link and using quotes to back you your own words on the topic, you just display the fact you know little on the topic yourself.

If you were truly informed on the issue, you would then be able to pen your own views instead of ding a crutch of a laundry list post.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   9:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

You sound hysterical,

I wonder how many times I've heard that when you people have nothing left to say....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   14:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#21) (Edited)

Also pedophilia is not sex with consenting adults, so this means nothing in this discussion.

So I guess you've forgotten or decided to ignore the fact that gays are responsible for almost 50% of "Reported" cases of pedophilia.... (which is a crime by the way).... Guess you didn't read the articles I sent you a few months ago, which by the way doesn't surprise me either!!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   14:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

And far from 'ignoring' evidence, I have bothered to read research papers available at the AMA site, and all well done, impartial research supports my point of view, not yours.

But you forgot how they came by that (cough cough) so called scientific "evidence".. Lawsuits!!!!

And I've read the papers too and they all fall into 3 categories......

1). Those who love the gays lifestyle..... (and are probably gay themselves)..

2). Those who hate the gays lifestyle..... (a skinhead or Hitler Jr)...

3). And the truth...

Try reading some in category 3 you might be amazed!!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   14:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#21) (Edited)

And laws passed for reasons of irrational hatred of others like you suffer from often begets bad policy and law. and this is that sort of law .

Ahhh yes, still dropping the "hater" card just because I don't agree with you.... LOL....

By the way can you guys find some new cards to play??? The usual ones like, hater, racist, homophobe and Nazis are getting kinda old/boring because they've been played numerous times for no legitimate reason!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   15:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82 (#26)

3). And the truth...

Try reading some in category 3 you might be amazed!!!!

You're kidding, right?

He just said yesterday that he doesn't have the strength to do academic research... I guess it's just too hard to find the truth for him...

So he'll just post his personal opinions (based on nothing), in between his rounds of sweeping and toilet-plunging at whatever building he's janitor at...

And dammit, you're supposed to be impressed with his articulation, and ignore the fact that he knows... nothing.

LOL.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-25   15:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Capitalist Eric (#28)

So he'll just post his personal opinions (based on nothing).....

I know... And I have no doubt there is "one" he knows that he's defending...

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-25   15:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#28) (Edited)

"He just said yesterday that he doesn't have the strength to do academic research... I guess it's just too hard to find the truth for him... "

Whe bait about my alleged job is just par for the course for you, but 'strength' has noting to do with why people do or don't go for a doctorate.

When I was going to the University of Oregon, I was working at a 7 Eleven by campus because though Ihad the old GI Bill, I needed an income. I had the strength to deal with that nasty job and school at the same time.

And when I flunked the Advanced International Morse Code portion of the 18E course (AIMC) at the SFQC, I refused offers to reassign me to the weapons or engineer MOS from my first choice of communications (18E).

I went to phase one as 18 series MOS unassigned, and spent one more stinking month getting my send and receive speed in doing 120 five character code groups in sixteen line format up to the standard.

Being a helicopter CE was not kind to my hearing, and it took everything I had to pass the standard to clear AIMC and then meet the higher standard for speed in phase two of the SFQC.

When I graduated from the UO, I didn't like working indoors, and got work in the woods and I did that for quite a long time and loved it. And that is work you need mental and physical endurance to be successful at it.

I am working in an office in Eugene right now for an advocacy group dealing with forest issues, and got to work some with Oregon Woods doing planting inspecting and timber cruising this last winter. And I enjoyed that a great deal like I always do.

Most of your deal is you just can't get along with others that disagree with you, and you have a ego the size of a pregnant blue whale.

I hope you do well on your doctoral dissertation, and I hope you gain enough maturity someday to get over yourself, but I started using my real name and talking honestly about what I do and have done because I am well known enough locally from doing activism and being involved in my community, I'm used to this sort of lack of privacy.

You are always welcome to vett my gig by sending away to the Register Guard in Eugene for all the articles about me or quoting me. Because I have nothing to hide.

I also am no one people mess with, and anyone coming into my community looking to manifest ill will will always find that a bad idea. And I am stoic anyway.

I don't stay awake nights fretting the fact I am going to die someday like every other mortal on Earth.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   17:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Murron, Liberator, Mad Dog, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#30)

Whe bait about my...

You are- by definition- a "poseur."

Now go back, and scrub some toilets, boy!

*Ping to the rest, for your amusement. As usual, rat-boy attempts to build himself up to be more than what he is (janitor), so that he'll be seen as an intellectual (janitor) who's so gravely concerned about 'da trees' that he hugs them when he can't get real lovin' from a woman (probably 'cause he's a janitor).

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-25   18:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)

Whe bait about my...

You are- by definition- a "poseur."

Now go back, and scrub some toilets, boy!

He doesn't flush. He thinks he can marry it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-25   18:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Oh, damn, that was good!!!!!

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-25   18:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Capitalist Eric, Ferret Mike, a k a stone (#31)

There is definitely a generational component to Ferret Mike.

People who came of age between Roosevelt and Kennedy believe that liberalism is the natural American philosophy. Everyone else is an extremist.

Those of us who came of age during Carter / Reagan completely disagree with that assessment.

Fortunately, Barack Obama is creating an entire new generation of conservatives due to his horrible policies, just like Carter.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- loonymom

jwpegler  posted on  2012-05-25   18:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

I refused offers to reassign me to the weapons

You mean you had a chance to be a weapons gentleman,and passed on that golden opportunity to be a mere ditty dotter?

I'm stunned! It defies imagination that anyone would do such a thing.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-25   18:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)

You are- by definition- a "poseur."

No,he's not. He's one of the most honest people on the internet,and it is almost ridiculously easy to verify everything he says.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-25   18:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#36)

You're easily impressed by BS artists.

Pity.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-25   21:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#35)

"You mean you had a chance to be a weapons gentleman,and passed on that golden opportunity to be a mere ditty dotter?"

Admittedly, a Special Forces Arms room has far more fun 'toys' in it then a conventional unit's. I got to meet the BAR, play with MAC 10s and other delightful armament we might see dealing with missions training and supporting foriegn nationals.

But as you know, making commo when you might be in a remote operational area and have to walk a distance from the patrol base, cut a doublet antenna to match the wave length you are going to use on the PRC 70 and do the chore with a minimag under a poncho and then return hoping to get some sleep before stand to time comes is a critically important part of an A team's mission.

I did not like how heavy and bulky that transceiver, antenna wire and other critical things for the job are, but I worked hard for the billet, so I appreciated it.

I like the newer equipment that does the job far differently, but I am glad Iwas part of the older way of doing things.

I am short and very stocky, and handledthe extra weight of a commo ruck well. And I have a great deal of patience, which is a virtue in a Special Operations Commo Sergeant.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   22:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Capitalist Eric (#37)

"You're easily impressed by BS artists."

You are the sort of attention whore that does not understand what something like a Special Forces A or B team does.

I went through before US Special Forces Assessment & Selection Phase came to be and phase one was a grueling nightmare where assessment took time and focus away from learning important tasks like land navigation, patrolling and many other things.

Having assessment and selection done before phase one, it is easier to weed out those that do not understand the depth and scope of teamwork that is needed in SF. Just because someone is an outstanding Ranger, that does not mean they can cut it in SF where the focus is often on training and operating with foreign nationals and being very low key and unassuming.

When you have candidates broken down in teams assigned to carry say an old jeep body from point A to point B and back, they are looking for people who best ID the weakest link in the team and making sure they make it.

It is very bewildering for someone at the top of the food chain in Ranger country to be eliminated because they tried to be the hero of a task like that instead of a team player.

Only the last 'gate,' -- which is the jargon for points in selection where mental and physical stress -- is at it's greatest is pretty much the main individual effort that matters. Which is the timed road march.

From what I see of your character and personality, you would never have made it through S&A. No insult what so ever intended,that is just a fact.

Simply by being patient with you and not letting your arrogance and intolerance throw me for a loop, I am using skills SF taught me. If you some how made it to and trough Robin Sage, my best guess is you would be peered out.

SF soldiers very happy to see others get credit for anything they do, and are used to a low keyed way of doing things. It's all good if the mission is accomplished and everyone gets home safe and sound when all is said and done.

SF doctrine includes things Rangers value like a high intensity and ferociousness in an assault, but the branch with crossed arrows can be far more interesting and even fun to be in than it is in Ranger country.

Before it became a branch when it was no great career move was in my opinion the best time to wear the SF tab. And I still feel reverence and pride when I see the electric butter knife, or the words "De Oppresso Liber."

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   23:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#36)

Ping to my last posts.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25   23:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

I went through before US Special Forces Assessment & Selection Phase

Liar. You rescue turds from toilets.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-26   8:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Capitalist Eric (#37)

You're easily impressed by BS artists.

Pity.

lol! I've been reading his posts for years,and remember when he ran for public office and was in the news for other reasons.

He IS who and what he says he is.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   10:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

Before it became a branch when it was no great career move was in my opinion the best time to wear the SF tab.

AMEN,millions of times. Worst freaking mistake the US Army has ever made in the entire history of the US Army. All it did was create more Generals,and since when have Generals been an essential part of special operations?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   10:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)

I went through before US Special Forces Assessment & Selection Phase

No,he did.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   10:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#42)

He IS who and what he says he is.

Yeah.

A JANITOR.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-29   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Capitalist Eric (#45)

What's wrong with being a janitor?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-29   16:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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