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Title: Scott Walker Using $100 Million Of Taxpayer Money To Fight Off Recall?
Source: Forbes
URL Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung ... yer-money-to-fight-off-recall/
Published: May 9, 2012
Author: Rick Ungar
Post Date: 2012-05-11 10:10:30 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 4690
Comments: 56

As Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker heads into the final stretch in his effort to hang onto his job, he is finding it increasingly more difficult to make his case honestly— or without using huge sums of taxpayer money to sway voters.

While life would likely have been easier for the Governor had collective bargaining remained the key issue of the campaign, now that the election has become largely about Walker’s record on job creation, the polls reveal that things are becoming increasingly more difficult for Scott Walker. Wisconsin currently competes with Nevada for the dubious title of worst job creator in the nation, resulting in the polls tightening into a dead heat, leaving the Governor with reason to be worried.

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Walker has consistently cried poverty in the state budget as the rational for his many controversial moves, the Governor miraculously came up with $100 million to fund economic development in Milwaukee’s poorest areas—money Walker claims will come from the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Board.

Even more surprising is the astonishing resemblance between the Walker scheme and the series of measures put forth by President Obama as the Governor’s proposal involves reoccupying foreclosed and vacant properties while making loans and venture capital money available to small businesses and industrial developers.

Of course, Scott Walker had been a vocal opponent of such proposals when uttered by the President.

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#1. To: A K A Stone, Anti-ping to CE, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#0)

...the timing, one week basically after the state of Wisconsin was identified as the only state in the entire country that had a statistically significant decrease in jobs, raises the question of whether this is about creating jobs in Milwaukee or this is about saving Scott Walker’s job.

Walker is a Keynesian now.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone, Anti-ping to CE, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#1) (Edited)

the timing, one week basically

For anyone who may be interested in an honest opinion on this matter you may want to read the MJS opinon piece after the plan was formalized April 30, 2012. Please note the MJS is no friend of Governor Walker.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/state-plan-for-milwaukee-could-encourage- activity-lm58c7r-150305495.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/citys-industrial-center-awaiting-a- renaissance-tb58n7r-150305505.html

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   10:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: harrowup (#2)

The Forbes 'Capitalist Tool' article sounds right to me.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-11   11:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

The credibility trap has captured our leadership. They cannot change course without admitting their failures, and to admit their failures is to weaken or even lose their power. And so it's steady as she goes, onto the rocks. Better a general than a personal failure, risking other people's lives to protect your gains, because there is opportunity in a crisis as long as you still have a seat in the game.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-11   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: harrowup (#2)

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/state-plan-for-milwaukee-could-encourage- activity-lm58c7r-150305495.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/citys-industrial-center-awaiting-a- renaissance-tb58n7r-150305505.html

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Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   11:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom (#0)

http://www.maciverinstitute.com/...ased-revenue-projections/

MacIver News Service | May 10, 2012

[Madison, Wisc...] Wisconsin's Department of Administration revenue projections show the state is expected to finish the two-year budget cycle in the black and, for the first time in a decade, the state will have enough of a surplus to transfer money into the rainy day fund in consecutive years.

"This is great news for Wisconsin taxpayers. When we balanced the state budget and erased a $3.6 billion deficit, our goal was to return financial stability to the state," said State Representative Robin Vos, the Assembly Co-Chair of the Joint Committee on Finance. "This is a great example of how honest budgeting pays off."

The Department of Administration expects the state's revenue forecast to improve by more than $265 million.

"When we started, the Democrats left us with a $3.6 billion deficit and jobs were fleeing the state," said State Senator Alberta Darling, the Senate Co-Chair of the JFC. "Instead of kicking the can down the road, Governor Walker and Republicans rolled up our sleeves, passed real reforms, and cut taxes. Our state is seeing the benefits of those reforms. Our budget is in the black."

Two months ago Legislative Fiscal Bureau officials reduced its projected general fund tax collections by $272.8 million and said the state faced a deficit of $143 million through June 30, 2013. However, Department of Revenue officials credit job creation and growth in personal income for the increased revenue projections.

"While critics want to talk down Wisconsin and root against our state, we are showing once again that we're heading in the right direction," said Rep. Vos.

The state has also completed debt refinancing, which saved $78 million over the biennium and the 2012-2013 budget cycle conclude with a $154.5 million surplus and will allow the state to put $45.4 million into the state's rainy day fund.

See link to compare the last two State Budgets and the chart showing the budget.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   12:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom (#0)

The author of your piece lives in LA and did not show any proof of Walker using tax dollars to fund his fight against the Commie's of Wisconsin.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   12:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SJN (#6)

Wisconsin's Department of Administration revenue projections show the state is expected to finish the two-year budget cycle in the black and, for the first time in a decade, the state will have enough of a surplus to transfer money into the rainy day fund in consecutive years.

No WONDER loonyming hates him... he's a conservative, he can balance a budget and he's actually doing a GOOD JOB!!!

<<<<< Gasp! >>>>>>>>

In her opinion, that money needs to be SPENT! Squandered on union pensions (like hers) and every OTHER scum-bag special-interest-group with a hand out... like the "unwed lesbian Indians against nuclear energy" crew (or name the most absurd group the government could steal money to subsidize).

She's TRULY insane.


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   13:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

So many people could benefit from doing a little thinking. (Not that I'd hold my breath that they ever will).

Give a listen to a real intellectual.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SJN (#6)

MacIver News Service | May 10, 2012

Despite Wisconsin Job Loss MacIver Institute Insist the Governor’s plan “Is Working”

In February 2012, The MacIver Institute released an advertisement that makes a variety of claims about how Wis. Gov Scott Walker’s programs are “working.” The ad asks Wisconsinites not to believe what they see going on around them and instead to fall for the spin developed by Walker’s messaging team. This ad comes at a time when the state of Wisconsin has lost jobs for six months running. Madison’s Capital Times reports “It” may be working. But if Walker keeps at it, Wisconsinites won’t be working. [14]

According to the Eye on Wisconsin blog, the domain name maciverinstitute.com was privately registered in December, 2008, "with no one willing to lay public claim to the new org[anization]."[44]

The MacIver Institute receives funding from the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, and has reportedly received $300,000 from them from 2008-2010 to support general operations.[46][47]

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=MacIver_Institute

The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation (LHBF), was established in 1942. According to The Foundation's 1998 Annual Report and a 2011 report from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation gives away more than $30 million per year.[1]p>

Harry was one of the original charter members of the far right-wing John Birch Society, along with another Birch Society board member, Fred Koch, the father of Koch Industries billionaire brothers and owners, Charles and David Koch.[2]p>

www.sourcewatch.org/index..._Harry_Bradley_Foundation

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   13:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#10)

Do you know how to look up the facts from the Wisconsin State's own website?

Good grief. Why don't you test your hypothesis against what the State itself is showing?!!

Do you really think that it matters who is posting the States budget on their site?!!! What matters is what the State is showing in it's budget! Good God, use some part of your brain and take the time to research for yourself. It's not hard to do.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#10)

www.wisconsin.gov/state/core/government.html

I provide the link for you. See if you can back up your bullshit by using it.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#10)

Just in case even that was too tough for you:

www.wisconsin.gov/state/c...financial_disclosure.html

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: SJN (#11)

Good grief. Why don't you test your hypothesis against what the State itself is showing?!!

You're kidding, right???

That would require her to confront FACTS.

She's not interested in facts, only her preconceived opinions.

Facts have no place in her [delusional] world.


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   13:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom (#5)

The page you've requested does not exist at the web address you entered.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/state-plan-for-milwaukee-could-encourage- activity-lm58c7r-150305495.html

Our View | Milwaukee Development

May 5, 2012

State plan for Milwaukee could encourage activity

But it will take a strong collaborative arrangement between the various partners - especially city and state officials. Is that too tall an order?

A state plan to pour $100 million into Milwaukee's 30th St. Industrial Corridor in a broad-based effort to shore up declining neighborhoods and create jobs could help rescue a battered, old industrial area of the city. That is, if city and state officials can put aside their partisan differences and make a commitment to work together over the years it will take to truly transform the area.

The announcement of "Transform Milwaukee" by Gov. Scott Walker last week was greeted with deep skepticism by his political opponents, coming as it did astride the unprecedented effort to replace him as governor. Add to that the fact that the program focuses on the heart of the city managed by one of Walker's chief opponents, and it's little wonder that Walker's motives were questioned.

"I question the sincerity of that when it comes 36 days before the recall election," said Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who also ripped the Walker administration anew for mothballing a train produced by Milwaukee-based Talgo, which is based in the corridor, and for agreeing along with state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen to use millions of federal dollars earmarked for foreclosure relief to plug a budget hole.

Fair enough. But Walker insists the deal had been in the works for more than a year and that Milwaukee's welfare affects the entire state. He's right, of course, but the best way to silence his critics is to make sure the state follows through energetically on this proposal. And if, as appears to be the case, this is new money invested in a struggling part of the city, politics shouldn't get in the way of a good idea.

The city already has sunk millions of dollars into efforts to clean up and eventually market the largest vacant chunk of the corridor - the former Tower Automotive plant now dubbed Century City. The city has a viable plan for the 30th St. corridor, which Wyman Winston, executive director of the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority, praised. WHEDA is spearheading the state's effort.

"They've just completed an economic development plan, which is a pretty phenomenal plan, and our focus would be, hopefully, to be the partner that attracts new capital," Winston said.

We think a focused, collaborative effort by the city and state could begin to turn around the corridor's fortunes.

The state's plan calls for help for foreclosures in the adjacent neighborhoods, for funding small businesses and for improved transportation links. The plan also calls for a census of job skills in the inner city and a new training center.

WHEDA plans to raise the $100 million by selling tax-exempt bonds to private investors. The proceeds from those bond sales would be used to provide loans for development. Winston believes the state's $100 million investment over two years could attract an additional $100 million of private money.

The funding strategy breaks down this way: $11 million in loans to spur new homeownership; $25 million for loans and federal tax credits to underwrite multifamily housing; $56 for loans and aid for small business development; and $8 million to tear down and remediate blighted properties.

"You can build all the housing in the world, but if you don't have people with jobs, that's not sustained housing, that doesn't help strengthen your property values and it doesn't help strengthen your investments within a community," Walker said in announcing the program on Monday.

The governor is right about that. In an area of the city that once hummed with industrial might, there is now little economic activity. It may take large public investments to jump-start activity.

Winston said the holistic approach is critical to creating jobs. "You cannot solve this with a housing strategy," he said - which sounds a lot like what Milwaukee officials have been saying for years.

Rocky Marcoux, head of the Department of City Development, praised Winston but remained skeptical. "I don't think we disagree with the premise of bringing money to bear in the corridor," he said. "I believe Wyman's heart is in the right place. . . . My concern once again is that this isn't just a package for a political event that the governor can use against the mayor. . . . If it's real money, we embrace it."

Given the circumstances and the timing, Marcoux's skepticism is understandable. But the state's initiative could be just the shot in the arm that the 30th St. corridor needs.

But for this plan - or any plan - to work, it will take cooperation on a grand scale involving business, the neighborhoods and, especially, all layers of government. That should happen no matter who eventually claims the governor's mansion

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/citys-industrial-center-awaiting-a- renaissance-tb58n7r-150305505.html

City's industrial center awaiting a renaissance

By John Gurda

May 5, 2012

Walk with me along Milwaukee's 30th St. Industrial Corridor. A single railroad track threads its way from Highland Blvd. to Congress St., running through a concrete canyon at first and then at street level for nearly four miles. With the exception of the nearby Menomonee Valley, there was once no greater concentration of industry in the city and perhaps the state.

The 30th St. corridor and its multiple sidetracks formed a sort of horizontal trellis on which scores of enterprises took root and grew. Some were national or even global in scope: Miller Brewing, Harley-Davidson, A.O. Smith (car frames), Evinrude (outboard motors), Cutler-Hammer (electrical controls), Master Lock (padlocks), Fuller-Warren (stoves), Koehring (concrete mixers) and Interstate Drop Forge (industrial forgings).

Other companies in the corridor manufactured everyday necessities such as chairs, luggage, ink, doors, bedsprings, light bulbs, rope and paint. Still others turned out what might be considered specialties: church statuary, potato chips, casket trim, pipe organs, pool tables and even burial shoes - slippers, essentially, that were not built for heavy wear.

Together, these industries, large and small, employed tens of thousands of workers. Those workers would not recognize the 30th St. corridor today.

Miller Brewing and Harley-Davidson still anchor the south end, but Miller, the last major brewer in the city, has merged with Coors and moved its headquarters to Chicago. As you travel north of this historic pair, the scene becomes progressively bleaker. Ghost signs in various stages of decay proclaim "Cabinet Makers," "Plate Glass" and "Dies, Jigs, Molds and Fixtures." Graffiti cover every bridge abutment, and the banks are strewn with garbage: TVs, bicycles, mattresses, tires and enough bottles and cans to fill a hundred Dumpsters.

A handful of the old establishments, notably Master Lock at Center St., are still operating. Some of the corridor's smaller shops have been converted to day care centers or churches, while their larger neighbors have been vacant for years, windows gone and roofs collapsing. You might be surprised to encounter deer and songbirds in this urban no man's land as nature quietly reasserts its dominion.

The saddest sight of all is the former A.O. Smith factory south of Capitol Drive. In the years after World War II, soaring demand for car frames and other products swelled the Smith complex to more than 100 buildings on 140 acres of land; the fence tracing the plant's circumference was more than two miles long. The company's payroll swelled accordingly, rising to a peak of nearly 9,000 workers who kept the plant humming 24 hours a day. Many of them were African- Americans earning, for the first time, union wages in a union town.

The end came with surprising speed. A.O. Smith was rocked by the recession of the early 1980s and practically capsized by the automotive industry's switch from steel frames to unibody construction. In 1997, the frame business and the entire north side plant were sold to Tower Automotive, whose efforts to resuscitate the enterprise proved unsuccessful. After the all-too-familiar progression from layoffs to wage cuts to bankruptcy, the plant was shuttered in 2006.

Some valiant attempts at redevelopment are under way, both within the Smith complex and along the corridor as a whole. The programs, most involving sizable outlays of public funds, have generated some results, but no one is predicting a return to the glory days of A.O. Smith, Evinrude and Cutler-Hammer. As the buildings decay and the garbage accumulates, the 30th St. industrial corridor has a post-apocalyptic feel. An old order has vanished; a new one has yet to materialize.

This was excerpted from "Leaving the Middle Behind - Wisconsin's Turning Point," an essay written by Milwaukee historian John Gurda for the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute's Refocus Wisconsin project in 2010. The full essay can be found at www.wpri.org.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/these-recall-elections-are-a-waste-of-time- and-money-0i59bls-150238595.html

These recall elections are a waste of time and money

Michael Sears

May 4, 2012

It's unnecessary, it's expensive, it's ugly - and it's coming Tuesday. That's the day the primary election in the gubernatorial recall race will be held. Four Democrats - Tom Barrett, Kathleen Falk, Doug La Follette and Kathleen Vinehout - are vying for the chance to challenge Gov. Scott Walker on June 5 in the general recall election. But Walker also faces token opposition Tuesday in the Republican primary from Arthur Kohl-Riggs, a colorful spoiler who apparently has modeled his campaign on fake or protest Democrats supported by the Republican Party.

Enormous amounts of money have been raised on both sides; much of that, again on both sides, is coming from folks and interests outside Wisconsin. Our guess is the ads will be ugly and divisive, especially once we move past the primary. This recall is seen by some here and elsewhere as part of a larger struggle taking place across the country. It also carries the potential, as Walker told the Editorial Board this week, for setting the stage for a constant recall election cycle.

And we still maintain this is all unnecessary because it essentially boils down to one issue: last year's legislation that severely curtailed bargaining rights for most public employees. Politicians, regardless of party, should not be recalled over one issue or one (or even several) votes.

Which is why we hope that state Sen. Robin Vos reintroduces his bill to make it more difficult to conduct recalls in Wisconsin. It's just too easy now, and Wisconsin needs to curb this fever as soon as it can. ***************************************** In another move to heighten the walls of the bunker around the Milwaukee Police Department, the department has stopped its long-standing practice of holding morning press briefings, thus cutting off the public's access to real people at the department. The announcement was made by police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz, but Police Chief Edward Flynn bears the ultimate responsibility for this bunker mentality.

Oh, the public and the media will have access to an online site called "The Source," where the department will gladly post all the news it thinks you should hear. To be clear, the vast majority of Milwaukee police do a great job. But the only reason that statement has any credibility is because outsiders have been able to make that judgment based on independent observation, not department news releases. The department is only hurting itself by cutting off more direct interaction between police, the public and the media.

Flynn may not like having to deal with the public and the media. But it's part of his job, and part of the obligation he owes to citizens in a free society. And where are Mayor Tom Barrett and Milwaukee aldermen on this? Do they really want to abet by their silence this kind of us-vs.-them attitude?

The problem with Flynn's approach is that bunkers don't work. The truth, unspun by government officials, usually does get out. The Journal Sentinel, as Editor Martin Kaiser promised this week, will help make sure that happens, as will other news organizations.

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus' decision to not seek re-election this fall was the smart move. Her mishandling of election results this year and last garnered her a storm of criticism - including from the Journal Sentinel Editorial Board - that would have made it difficult for her to make a credible case for re-election.

But even in her prepared statement released last week, there was evidence that she doesn't quite get it. The statement said she would not relinquish "any authority or responsibility" for any upcoming elections through the end of her term. But that's exactly what everyone thought she had agreed to last month when County Executive Dan Vrakas put pressure on her to step aside from managing election results.

Our guess is most voters don't want Nickolaus in charge of anything to do with elections and no longer want her to have any "authority or responsibility" over election results. She can say what she wants to try to save face, but what she needs to do is abide by the agreement with Vrakas and allow her deputy to handle election operations.

On Monday, City of Brookfield officials will hold a public hearing on a proposed 13,000-foot mosque and community center near N. Calhoun Road and Pheasant Drive. A group, which has about 100 families within a 4-mile radius of the site, has been looking for a mosque site in Brookfield for more than a decade.

The project has drawn support from a number of individuals - most at a public forum last month appeared to be supportive - and the ecumenical religious coalitions Common Ground and the Brookfield-Elm Grove Interfaith Network.

But it also has drawn sharp criticism from the usual fear-mongering suspects, who paint every Muslim as a terrorist and every mosque as a Trojan horse aimed at the conquest of America. Those fears are unfounded and serve only to poison the public debate and the larger community. They are akin to the fears that fostered restrictive zoning laws that kept minorities out of the suburbs for decades. They have no place in an American community.

But we trust those fears are in a distinct minority and that the Brookfield Common Council and the larger community will judge this project as they would any other large project, without fear or prejudice.

This may come as a surprise to those who like to bash the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District, but the district and its executive director, Kevin Shafer, recently won two prestigious awards, recognizing the good work that really is going on at the district. Late last month, the district received a 2012 U.S. Water Prize from the Clean Water Alliance for its innovative watershed-based work on water sustainability. That's two years in a row for Milwaukee water organizations: Last year, the Milwaukee Water Council received a U.S. Water Prize. And Friday, the Robert M. La Follette School of Public Affairs announced that Shafer had won a Lloyd D. Gladfelter Award for government innovation. Shafer was recognized for a career of innovations aimed at implementing "green infrastructure" to minimize pollution of the region's waterways, especially the district's Greenseams program, under which land located adjacent to area waterways is preserved under permanent conservation easements. All the awards were well-deserved

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   13:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: harrowup (#15)

state Sen. Robin Vos

The reason I am more than a little familiar with Wisconsin politics. I am originally from there and have family still there and my niece is an aide to Sen. Vos.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: SJN, lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#13)

Just in case even that was too tough for you:

I have posted the two editorials and one extra that lumingchow couldn't find.

They are lengthy and not totally in Walker's favor but give a fair expression of what is true.

None of us do well when we take everything and turn it into a mess.

For the record, I hope that Governor Walker prevails against Mike Tate and his merry band of union thugs from Jesse Jackson's son's Bud Dealership in Chicago.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   13:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

No WONDER loonyming hates him... he's a conservative, he can balance a budget and he's actually doing a GOOD JOB!!!

Anyone can balance a budget if you don't give a damn about the consequences of the cuts you make.

When it comes to job creation, Walker doesn't seem to be much of a success.

New preliminary figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show Wisconsin with 2,739,500 total employees on nonfarm payrolls through December 2011.

That's up 3,200 for the year -- a 0.12 percent increase -- and puts Wisconsin 45th for total job growth compared to the other states and the District of Columbia.

The only states with a worse percentage increase in 2011 were Rhode Island, Maine, Missouri, Georgia, Alaska and Delaware.

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In a separate report released Wednesday, the Center on Wisconsin Strategy notes that the state now has a jobs deficit of 215,300 -- the difference between the number of jobs Wisconsin has now and the number it needs to match its pre-recession employment levels.

The number includes the 148,700 we still need to make it back to December 2007 levels of employment, plus the 66,600 additional jobs needed to keep up with the 2.3 percent growth in population since the recession began," reports the liberal-leaning UW-Madison think tank.

Gov. Scott Walker has touted his job creation efforts, saying his administration is creating an environment where the private sector can flourish.

host.madison.com/ct/busin...e1-92dc-0019bb2963f4.html

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   13:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SJN (#16)

state Sen. Robin Vos The reason I am more than a little familiar with Wisconsin politics. I am originally from there and have family still there and my niece is an aide to Sen. Vos.

Thanks for the clarification. I live in Wisconsin, not as a native but formerly a member of the Wisconsin Democrat Party until Mike Tate and his pre- pubescent permanent student associates took over.

When Walker wins the recall...and hopefully all the senators facing recall prevail on June 5th, I hope to be in Madison so I can kick the bastards in the ass and make them get a real job.

Listen sometime to Charlie Sykes on TMJ620 for what he calls Tate.

www.620wtmj.com/show s/directory/44929822.html

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   13:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#18)

The consequences of his cuts are going to save the tax payers of Wisconsin. That helps put money in to the pockets of the people, it spurs economic activity and in turn actually builds the coffers of the Government. But these are things that take time. Just as it took the Democrats decades to run the state in to the ground.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

In her opinion, that money needs to be SPENT! Squandered on union pensions (like hers) and every OTHER scum-bag special-interest-group with a hand out...

Eric, your capacity to be totally confident in statements you make about things you know nothing about is truly stunning.

Your bulling bluster carries no weight with me little boy. Now hurry on home to momma - she'll give you a hug and tell you it's OK, you never could suffer fools.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   13:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#18)

Oh and just so you know. Government cannot produce jobs. It can only get out of the way of the job producers and free up those producers own capital which they use to expand, grow and hire. Which is exactly what Walker intends to do.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   13:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SJN (#20)

But these are things that take time.

Compare the outcomes of Iceland and Greece.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

...scum-bag special-interest-group with a hand out... like the "unwed lesbian Indians against nuclear energy" crew (or name the most absurd group the government could steal money to subsidize).

She's TRULY insane.

You made that up, so I guess that makes you the insane one.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#21)

Eric, your capacity to be totally confident in statements you make about things you know nothing about is truly stunning.

LOL. That's rich, coming from someone who BRAGS about her ignorance.

Your bulling bluster carries no weight with me little boy.

Bullying? BULLYING??? LMAO. You now assign yourself to be a "victim," when reality intrudes into your delusional little life... THAT'S FUNNY!!!

Typical leftist knee-jerk response.

REALITY doesn't give a SHIT about you, and your delusions. The REALITY is that the government is bankrupt, and all of your efforts to gin up support for the nanny-state, so that you can SUCK off the productive population are for naught.

You were too fucking stupid to think for yourself, too stupid to prepare for your own retirement, too lazy to take advantage of the opportunities to better yourself and your financial position...

And now you're gonna' suffer the consequences of your choices.

THAT IS REALITY.

And you're going to get everything you so rightfully deserve, you parasite.


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   14:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SJN (#13)

www.wisconsin.gov/state/c...financial_disclosure.html

Very informative, but doesn't speak to my point.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)

You're kidding, right???

That would require her to confront FACTS.

She's not interested in facts, only her preconceived opinions.

Facts have no place in her [delusional] world.

Red herring dude.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#25)

The REALITY is...

You wouldn't know reality if it jumped up and smacked you in the face.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#26)

Very informative, but doesn't speak to my point.

You aren't making a point. You are using an out of state opinion piece to imply that Walker is using state funds to fund his campaign which of course is a bald face lie.

The MJS at least has the minimum respect for truth when it only mentions that some 'question' the timing which is fair.

Your blurb is not.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   14:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#28)

You wouldn't know reality if it jumped up and smacked you in the face.

LOL.

Keep brandishing that ignorance, you silly old bitch. It changes nothing.

And that pleases me. 8^)


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   14:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: harrowup (#29)

ou aren't making a point. You are using an out of state opinion piece to imply that Walker is using state funds to fund his campaign which of course is a bald face lie.

The MJS at least has the minimum respect for truth when it only mentions that some 'question' the timing which is fair.

The article I posted is pretty darn accurate. The tile says "fight off recall" not "fund his campaign".

In this case timing is everything, the point of the article. Walker is using state funds to make himself look good to all them unemployed people in Milwaukee, and to progressives in general.

Gov. Scott Walker announced a $100 million economic initiative Monday designed to create jobs and improve industry in inner-city Milwaukee.

“Transform Milwaukee” will focus on the creation of an industrial, residential and transportation district, focusing on the poorest sections of the city, including its 30th Street corridor.

The Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority has committed $100 million to the Transform Milwaukee project over the next two years. It will be working with federal agencies as well as private foundations on neighborhood improvement projects the groups hope will create jobs and promote new business.

host.madison.com/daily-ca...e1-9663-001a4bcf887a.html

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   14:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lucysmom (#31)

The article I posted is pretty darn accurate.

Please quantify *how* you determined this. What methology did you use to make such a pronouncement? What were your assumptions, and your null-hypotheses?

Provide the DATA which backs up your pronouncement.

If you can't (as usual), then just confess that you're just talking shit again, and we'll move on.

As the old expression says, "without data, you're just another person with an opinion."


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   15:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)

Please quantify *how* you determined this. What methology did you use to make such a pronouncement? What were your assumptions, and your null-hypotheses?

Provide the DATA which backs up your pronouncement.

I challange you, using the methods above, to prove the article isn't accurate.

If you can't (as usual), then just confess that you're just talking shit again, and we'll move on.

Back attcha dude.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   15:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#33)

You pronounced the propaganda to be "pretty darned accurate."

I challenged you to support with proclamation with DATA. The burden of proof is on YOU. Without proof, your words are just that, nothing more.

Indeed, it was *easy* to trap you. And you have tacitly admitted that you're talking *shit,* again. But hey, was that ever in doubt?

Dispatching you is childs-play, and a LOT of fun.

Thanks for amusing me. :)


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   15:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#31)

The intent was to slime the Governor.

You failed because you have been disingenuous.

And I'm am being extremely charitable in your case.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   15:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#33)

I challange you, using the methods above, to prove the article isn't accurate.

The fact is that the author of this piece FAILED TO PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE!

Good lord you're as thick as a brick.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   16:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#23)

Compare the outcomes of Iceland and Greece.

In what way do the outcomes of Iceland and Greece have bearing on my point that; putting peoples money back in to their own hands where it belongs and that by doing that it produces economic growth and revenue for the state? And tell me what "outcome you are referring to.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-11   16:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: SJN (#36)

The fact is that the author of this piece FAILED TO PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE!

Good lord you're as thick as a brick.

It's her M.O. Throw out bullshit statements to derail a discussion, without a shred of proof.

When you provide evidence that she's lying, she pretends not to understand, and throws out more bullshit.

She faithfully follows the typical Disinformationalist Traits and Tactics.

When you call her out on her disinfo tactics, or present irrefutable facts, she and her ilk scatter like roaches. OR- if she REALLY can't let it go- she'll switch to her other persona (mininggold), and continue the attack, while carefully staying away from anything resembling reality.

It's most amusing when she "talks" to herself; at that point, she's finished, but still refuses to admit it.

She's very consistent- which makes it all the more fun.


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   16:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#0)

Scott Walker Using $100 Million Of Taxpayer Money To Fight Off Recall?

ROTFLMAO...... This story is about as good as the one (11 pages in the Washington Compost) they ran on Romney abusing gays..... ROTFLMAO......

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-11   17:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Capitalist Eric, SJN (#38)

When you call her out on her disinfo tactics, or present irrefutable facts, she and her ilk scatter like roaches. OR- if she REALLY can't let it go- she'll switch to her other persona (mininggold), and continue the attack, while carefully staying away from anything resembling reality.

She must have decided her game was getting out of hand and left the building.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   17:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: CZ82 (#39)

This story is about as good as the one (11 pages in the Washington Compost) they ran on Romney abusing gays..... ROTFLMAO......

The early 60s and they cut somebody's hair who is now dead and his sister does not remember him being traumatized by it and the quotee says it was terrible but he doesn't remember it?

Is that the story?

I convinced the family barber to give me a Mohican in 1947 after telling him my father said it was okay. My father made me have it all shaved off and wear a hat until I could get a 'natural' buzz cut.

Until the day he died he never admitted he did that. I am traumatized to this day to the extent that my hair has all fallen out.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   17:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: harrowup (#41)

The early 60s and they cut somebody's hair who is now dead and his sister does not remember him being traumatized by it and the quotee says it was terrible but he doesn't remember it?

Is that the story?

That be the one....

She said she didn't even remember it happening.....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-11   17:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: harrowup (#40)

She must have decided her game was getting out of hand and left the building.

Yeah if you can't believe commentary from that bastion of capitalism, Forbes, what can you believe?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-11   17:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mininggold, SJN, Harrowup, AKA Stone (#43)

SJN: The fact is that the author of this piece FAILED TO PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE! Good lord you're as thick as a brick.

Capitalist Eric: It's her M.O. Throw out bullshit statements to derail a discussion, without a shred of proof. When you provide evidence that she's lying, she pretends not to understand, and throws out more bullshit. ... if she REALLY can't let it go- she'll switch to her other persona (mininggold), and continue the attack, while carefully staying away from anything resembling reality.

harrowup: She must have decided her game was getting out of hand and left the building.

mininggold: Yeah if you can't believe commentary from that bastion of capitalism, Forbes, what can you believe?

LMFAO!!!!!!

Oh, TOO funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   17:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)

...you have tacitly admitted that you're talking *shit,* again.

Only in your twisted mind.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: harrowup (#40)

She must have decided her game was getting out of hand and left the building.

Some of us have other things to do with our day than sit in front of a computer.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#43)

Yeah if you can't believe commentary from that bastion of capitalism, Forbes, what can you believe?

Something from the radical, right wing, blatantly biased MacIver Institute of course.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#45)

LMAO!!!!!!!!


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   17:46:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom, mininggold, A K A Stone, Badeye, jwpegler, CZ82, nolu chan, hondo68, eskimo, socalv8, sneakypete, Mad Dog, Liberator, SJN, CZ82 (#47)

Capitalist Eric:

When you call her out on her disinfo tactics, or present irrefutable facts, she and her ilk scatter like roaches. OR- if she REALLY can't let it go- she'll switch to her other persona (mininggold), and continue the attack, while carefully staying away from anything resembling reality.

It's most amusing when she "talks" to herself; at that point, she's finished, but still refuses to admit it.

Bwa-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the demonstration, Sybil...


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   17:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone, Capitalist Eric, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#48)

Another cogent argument from Eric.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#49)

Thanks for the demonstration, Sybil...

Better watch out Eric; not only are we two separate personalities but we inhabit two separate bodies and can be in two places at one time.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: All (#0)

You know of all of the "FACTS" I've seen thrown about on this thread the one I don't see is how many private sector jobs Walkers (Leftard) predecessor lost during his tenure..... 150,000+!!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-11   17:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#50)

Another cogent argument from Eric.

Indeed. And you've confirmed the point.

Thanks for the laughs... ALWAYS a good way to end the day. :)

Moving on...


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-11   18:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold, SJN, Capitalist Eric, Redundant Lucy (#43)

Yeah if you can't believe commentary from that bastion of capitalism, Forbes, what can you believe?

I pretty much respect Steve Forbes but the media use of 'bloggers' and 'commentors' is a real turn-off for me. It's rather like using Alan Colmes and Juan Williams as 'balance' on Fox.

Truth in lending: I am frequently quoted in the NYT, WaPo, WSJ and the CFR, but they never pay me a dime because I don't write for them, just to them.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-11   18:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: harrowup (#54)

but they never pay me a dime because I don't write for them, just to them.

LOL

Could you provide an honest reference to this?

lol

SJN  posted on  2012-05-14   1:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: lucysmom (#0)

Another example of the database never lying.

Today, Walker is going to win a huge victory. The Democrats have pulled all funding for what they now see clearly is a political disaster.

Walker 2, Union Thugs 0

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2012-05-16   10:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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