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Title: Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
Source: The Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... have-fought-hitler_614883.html
Published: Jan 2, 2012
Author: JOHN MCCORMACK
Post Date: 2012-01-02 08:27:43 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon, Ron Paul
Views: 67492
Comments: 125

A former Ron Paul staffer named Eric Dondero, who worked closely with the Texas congressman and presidential candidate over the course of 15 years, has issued a statement in which he both defends his old boss from charges of racism and anti-Semitism and reveals damning new details about about the "sheer lunacy of [Paul's] foreign policy views".

First, Dondero claims that his old boss is such an extreme isolationist that "he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that 'saving the Jews,' was absolutely none of our business."

Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:

    He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration.

And lastly, Dondero reveals that Paul wanted to vote against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 but lacked the courage of his convictions to do so:

    There is much more information I could give you on the sheer lunacy of his foreign policy views. Let me just concentrate on one in specific. And I will state this with absolute certainty:

    Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.

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#42. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)

What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.

or maybe they just want their stuff back.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-02   11:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#42)

or maybe they just want their stuff back.

What stuff would that be?

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-02   11:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)

Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler

So what?

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-01-02   11:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People (#40)

Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too?

If Mad Dog were part of the RP inner circle for fifteen years, then I say yes.

Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations as they are quickly becoming a part of the daily news cycle and reasonable people are going to want answers.

I'm not sure telling the general public to do their homework is an effective campaign strategy for RP going forward.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-01-02   11:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Happy Quanzaa (#43)

What stuff would that be?

In Iran it was oil.

In Palestine, it's land.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-02   11:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Thunderbird (#41)

No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so.

Sure it is. It's funny how you guys always protect your own.

You only wish that RP would also have a bevy of girlfriends coming out of the woodwork as the topping on the cake.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-02   11:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: We The People (#38)

Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?

Beyond reasonable doubt is a standard reserved for criminal proceedings. That you would raise it preemptively in response to Dondero's comments suggests a certain level of defensveness I attribute to the persecution complex...YMMV.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-01-02   11:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Thunderbird (#41)

I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest

He works for Paul for 15 years and you don't hear a word from or about him.

He gets fired and he makes allegations that he cannot prove one way or the other, just as Paul is running for president?

Seriously?

Is this your latest conspiracy theory?

No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so.

Hey, YOU asked the question, "do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?" THAT is a whacky conspiracy theory, suggested BY YOU.

Don't get your feelings hurt cause I pointed out the FACT that you're floating whacky CT's.

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-02   11:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Thunderbird (#45)

Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations

No, they don't.

But I thought you said they did, and attacked him personally?

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-02   11:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Fibr Dog, Happy Quanzaa (#44)

So what?

BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-02   11:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Happy Quanzaa (#20)

The dirty ebul Jooz are behind the RP attacks,

The Republican establishment, including but not exclusively Jewish neo-cons, are behind the RP attacks.

They are behind the RP attacks because he doesn't support wasting America lives and treasure in the Middle East. Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have made this quit clear.

It's just that simple.

You are just too emotional to be able to think straight about this.


jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-02   11:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Thunderbird (#41)

I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest

Obviously, because you haven't read what Rittberg / Dumbdero has written over the last 10 years.

He is obsessed with Ron Paul. Obsessed.


jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-02   12:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#46)

n Iran it was oil.

In Palestine, it's land.

It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years. Nobody cared about oil in 700 AD, what was the Muslims' problem when they started this war way back then? Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it. It was our money that brought air conditioned mansions and jetliners with gold fixtures to the 3rd World sand pile known as the Middle East. Before that they lived in tents and cooked their dinner on dried camel dung.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-02   12:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)

It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years.

Then why did they have to kick Palestinians off of it.

They were just being nasty absenteee landlords?

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-02   12:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)

BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.

Oh, they have problems alright. They are so filled with blood lust and/or fear that they either cannot see or just do not care how the police state legislation their candidates support and want to increase will affect the citizens of the United States today and in the future.

Besides that, so what if Paul is a truther? The federal government under the control of the two parties has lied to the American people so often and about such small and trivial things that they didn't need to lie about in order to protect their power base that the bigger question is why on Earth should they be believed about anything? If the government tells me the sun is out, I'm going to look out the window to verify even if it's high noon.

As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost.

The Hitler thing is just a way to inflame American Zionists who consist mostly of uneducated protestant evangelicals in service to their Lord Satan.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-01-02   12:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Thunderbird, Happy Quanzaa (#48)

This media lackey is trying his best to paint Paul in an unfavorable light.

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-02   12:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Thunderbird (#22) (Edited)

Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.

What message? There is no message from him.

I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser.

He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways.

His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example:

1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid.

2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets.

3.) He thinks that 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist".

4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel.

The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically.

It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this.


jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-02   12:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: jwpegler, Thunderbird (#58)

What message? There is no message from him.

I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser.

He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways.

His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example:

1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid.

2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets.

3.) He thinks that 55 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist".

4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel.

The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically.

It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this.

BUMP!

But Thunderbird is no conservative. Does he claim to be?

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-02   12:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Fibr Dog (#56)

As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost.

Here is the magic question that these people cannot answer:

WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea?

Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States.

WHY would we sacrifice our citizens, our country, and our economy in ways that puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the world vis-à-vis the countries we are subsidizing?

There is no answer at all, let alone a rational and reasonable one, from the neo-commie idiots.


jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-02   12:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)

Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it.

Then why did the west, in 1953, decide Iran's democratically elected government had to go?

This is interesting

The Iran Democracy Project at the Hoover Institution is part of the Hoover initiative Diminishing Collectivism and Evolving Democratic Capitalism, an area of study that includes analysis and documentation of how totalitarian societies transition to freedom, representative government, and private enterprise.

www.hoover.org/research/p...n-democracy-project/about

You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-02   12:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: jwpegler (#60) (Edited)

Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States.

No doubt that's why the Japanese would like us out of Okinawa.

www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/asia/29okinawa.html

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-02   12:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#62)

They have China now, they don't need us.

China values defense exchanges with Japan: defense ministry

www.defpro.com/news/detai...d1275a3b9e660e8823ff7a088

China-Japan Currency Deal Points Way to New Monetary Order

www.bloomberg.com/news/20...-monetary-order-view.html

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-02   12:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#61)

You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?

Not with these donors.

"Funding

The Hoover Institution receives much of its funding from private charitable foundations, including many attached to large corporations. A partial list of its recent donors includes:

Sarah Scaife Foundation, $9,845,500 from 1985-2008 - more than any other foundation in that period, according to Media Matters. (Its most recent grant to the Hoover Institution seems to be $850,000 in 2007.)[4]

Archer Daniels Midland Foundation

ARCO Foundation

Boeing-McDonnell Foundation

Chrysler Corporation Fund

Dean Witter Foundation

Exxon Educational Foundation [7]

Ford Motor Company Fund

General Motors Foundation

J.P. Morgan Charitable Trust

Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation

Procter & Gamble Fund

Rockwell International Corporation Trust

Transamerica Foundation"

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-02   12:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold (#64)

Not with these donors.

The Hoover Institute played "Chicago Boys" to the Soviet Union's Yeltsin.

The team's economic advice focused on privatization, budgeting, taxation, labor markets, banking, price reform and tax administration programs.

http://news.stanford.edu/pr/91/910620Arc1287.html

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-02   13:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: jwpegler (#60)

WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea?

We send them billions of dollars a year in foreign aid. We pay rent for every military base. We pay environmental damages every time we have a military exercise (at least in Germany and the ROK, I don't know about Japan or the rest of Europe). Last but not least, military bases provide a lot of jobs for the local population and GI's contribute a lot to the local economy. All of this gives power and influence within their governments.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-01-02   13:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Fibr Dog (#56)

why on Earth should they be believed about anything?

...I've been shouting that for the last 10 years. You make GREAT points Dog...thanks for spreading the TRUTH!!

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-02   15:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold (#0)

Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:

First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka happy fun ball, fifty yard line, no gnu taxes as a credible source?

You're kidding, right?

Second, Ron Paul has called for a new investigation into 9/11.

Third, even the 9/11 commissioners have stated that the final report was based on lies, and they did not get all of the facts from the Bush Administration.

9/11 Commissioners say "Official Story" a Lie

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest“.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-01-03   7:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold, Mad Dog (#68)

To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka...blah-blah, blah...from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-03   8:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Happy Quanzaa (#69)

Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers.

You must be Gatlin from LP.

Your style is so similar. Ignore what is posted as fact and make shit up as you go along.

You are citing Eric Dondero for crying out loud, the former Ron Paul staffer who was fired for incompetence and posts as fifty yard line at LP and no gnu taxes here.

Do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously?

The commissioners themselves said that the 9/11 report was a fraud.

What part of that is so difficult for you to understand?

Why are you against a new investigation?

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-01-03   8:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Deckard (#70) (Edited)

Eric Dondero

Go read the whole thread. Dondero has already been discussed extensively, no need to go around in circles.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-03   9:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: freedomsnotfree (#1) (Edited)

o would over 3000 architects and engineers that say I those building coming down from a plane hit defies the laws of physics....

You're telling me that 3000 architects and engineers don't understand gravity and the minimal effect of it is that things fall in a path of least resistence?

building 7 came down and was never even hit by a plane.

Right.

It was hit by a collapsing building instead.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-03   9:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Deckard (#68)

You do realize that they are referencing the cooperation of the National Security apparati of the US and not how the buildings fell?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-03   9:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: war (#72) (Edited)

You're telling me that 3000 architects and engineers don't understand gravity and the minimal effect of it is that things fall in a path of least resistence?

Remind us all again when and where you received your Master's Degree in Architecture and/or engineering.

Caught In Their Own Web of Contradictions: New Video shows Official 9/11 Story Defenders Espousing Opposing and Impossible WTC Theories

Civil Engineer Jon Cole points out in his latest rapid-paced 18 minute video, 9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert, that many people, espousing the official account of the 9/11 WTC events and viewed as technical experts, have proposed a variety of conflicting theories as to why the WTC buildings collapsed on 9/11. What is interesting is that none of those theories supporting the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) obey the laws of physics or match the observed events. This innovative and well-researched video also presents a fascinating 9/11 narrative and compelling images that refute these official accounts of how the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 came down.

Some experts admitted that there were explosions in the Twin Towers, and others said there were none -- even though there are many eyewitnesses to these explosions.

Some experts told us that fires melted steel, and others pointed out that jet fuel and office fires don’t burn hot enough to melt steel. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) said the molten metal seen coming out of the upper floors of the buildings and found pooled at the bases of their debris was “irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse of the towers.” This material was actually molten steel or (more likely) iron – a byproduct of the incendiary “thermite”. It produces the required temperatures to melt steel and iron, which are twice as high as what office fires or jet fuel can produce.

 

Some experts said the floor truss connections in the Twin Tower broke, causing a “pancaking” collapse, whereas others said that the connections were actually strong enough to pull in the perimeter columns causing their failure. This argument is actually irrelevant, since the local failure of either of these structural elements could not have caused the Twin Towers to fall like a house of cards.

Some experts said the perimeter columns bowed out and others said they bowed in. Again, these experts miss the point, because normal office fires cannot possibly cause the systematic, instantaneous failure of all the steel columns that must have occurred in order to cause the rapid, symmetrical destruction of each of the WTC skyscrapers.

Some experts said WTC Building 7 didn’t collapse at free fall acceleration, and others said it did. Fortunately, NIST has already acknowledged the free fall of WTC7, after being publicly embarrassed and provided with analysis by physics instructor David Chandler.

What is being ignored by these “experts” is the elephant in the room – the numerous facts that confirm the controlled demolition hypothesis

Some experts said that the sulfur attack on the WTC7 steel documented by FEMA at Ground Zero came from the pulverized gypsum wallboard, whereas others said it couldn’t have. The truth is that gypsum wall board is used to protect steel and has never been shown to attack it.

Some experts said thermite couldn’t have been used to cut the steel beams, and others said it could. Cole points out in the video that thermite was used over 75 years ago to melt the steel supporting columns in the controlled demolition of the Skyride Towers.

One self-styled expert with an engineering background even gives two conflicting theories himself. Jonathan Kay, the author of the hit piece Among the Truthers, suggested both the “pancake theory” and “pile driver theory” when interviewed on National Public Radio. Neither theory accounts for the speed of the “collapse” or the forensic and video evidence, including the molten metal found at Ground Zero and the thermitic residue identified in the WTC dust.

After all the time and money spent on government investigations, the defenders of the OCT can’t agree on the nature of those building collapses. What is being ignored is the elephant in the room – the numerous facts that confirm the controlled demolition hypothesis.

This latest video by Cole is not to be missed, especially by those of us who find ourselves in repeated discussions with the deniers of the explosive 9/11 evidence. This tool can be very useful in your hands as you educate others with the truth.

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-01-03   9:54:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Happy Quanzaa (#71)

Go read the whole thread. Dondero has already been discussed extensively,

Discussed AND debunked.

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-01-03   9:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Deckard (#75) (Edited)

Discussed AND debunked

In the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds. Some may suspect Dondero was maybe deprogrammed by some of those people that go around rescuing people from cults. I thought the Obamabots were brainwashed back in '08 with their fainting, and crying with joy, and kids singing Obama songs and whatnot, but I have to give it to you TT/PTs, your numbers may not be as many, but y'alls craziness is concreted in harder than theirs, by a long shot.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-03   10:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#73)

You do realize that they are referencing the cooperation of the National Security apparati of the US and not how the buildings fell?

Good luck getting him to cop to that fact.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-01-03   10:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Happy Quanzaa (#76)

Discussed AND debunked

In the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds.

The fact remains that your "source" Eric Dondero has every reason to be bitter and vindictive against Ron Paul.

You don't seem to get that, instead you keep name-calling instead of addressing that simple fact.

Rules of Disinformation

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make  yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. 

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', TrutherTard/Paultard and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-01-03   10:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Happy Quanzaa (#76)

n the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds. Some may suspect Dondero was maybe deprogrammed by some of those people that go around rescuing people from cults. I thought the Obamabots were brainwashed back in '08 with their fainting, and crying with joy, and kids singing Obama songs and whatnot, but I have to give it to you TT/PTs, your numbers may not be as many, but y'alls craziness is concreted in harder than theirs, by a long shot.

Thankfully this is Ron Paul's last stand.

Lets see how much campaign funds he retires with.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-01-03   10:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Deckard (#78)

The fact remains that your "source" Eric Dondero has every reason to be bitter and vindictive against Ron Paul.

Wrong.

No evidence has been presented that Eric Dondero is bitter or vindictive toward RP, other than the 'everyone knows' variety by his die-hard supporters.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-01-03   10:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: war (#72)

It was hit by a collapsing building instead.

REALLY??? which building? You flat earth people are a scream...the earth is flat, the Tuskegee experiment never happened, the Gulf of Ton-kin is a conspiracy theory, free trade will help our economy, open borders are wonderful, there really ARE WMD in Iraq, seriously...the economy is GREAT...why, we're only 100 Trillion dollars in debt, and George Bush was lying about wanting a new world order. After ALL the lies that have been forced on you...why do you take ANYTHING they say at face value??? Are you THAT dense?

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-03   11:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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