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Title: The right's smoke and mirrors scam about Social Security--it ain't broke (unless China is too)
Source: Angry Bear
URL Source: http://www.angrybearblog.com/2011/1 ... ogspot%2FHzoh+%28Angry+Bear%29
Published: Nov 12, 2011
Author: Linda Beale
Post Date: 2011-11-13 09:11:13 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 14359
Comments: 28

The right's smoke and mirrors scam about Social Security--it ain't broke (unless China is too)

We've noted in these postings the growing inequality between rich and the rest of us in America, and that is the appropriate backdrop against which to investigate further the right's smoke-and-mirrors scams about tax policy and earned benefits. Let me remind you with Kevin Drum's Mother Jones article on The Price of Plutocracy: "For all practical purposes, every year about $700 billion in income is being sucked directly out of the hands of the poor and the middle class and shoveled into the hands of the rich." (That sentence is illustrated with a great chart, with data drawn from Joseph Hacker of Yale and Paul Pierson of Berkeley, the authors of Winner-Take-All Politics, a book I highly recommend.)

The national debate about deficits has been part of a relentless push by the right to reduce as much as possible the New Deal earned benefit programs of Social Security and Medicare. The right twists the facts to suit the arguments it wants to make...

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...The right uses "personal responsibility" and "entitlements" as though they refer to two non-intersecting worlds, whereas in fact the opposite is true.

Workers pay into Social Security to support current workers who paid into it in the past. The trust fund was established, and amended with a good deal of actuarial research under Reagan in 1983, with the knowledge that the baby boom generation would be passing through and create a bulge of benefit needs and that US birth rates tended to be smaller now than they were a century ago. In other words. what is happening now in terms of the baby boomer population reaching retirement age and the decline in US birthrates was exactly the information on which the Social Security changes made in the 1980s were predicated. Either we believe that these kinds of predictions are reasonable (in which case it is utterly silly to raise nightmare scenarioes about bankruptcy, because there is nothing of the sort) or we believe that it is impossible to predict for sure what will happen (in which case it is utterly silly to raise nightmare scenarios about Social Security bankruptcy, because GDP could grow just a little faster than predicted, easing all future problems, or boomer needs could grow just a little less than predicted, easing all future problems). Either way, the crisis-bell ringing being done by the right as a way to attribute deficits to Social Security is a smoke and mirrors scam.

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#3. To: lucysmom (#0)

Workers pay into Social Security to support current workers who paid into it in the past.

Just because previous generation were conned into socialist insecurity. That doesn't mean that the new generations owe them a penny.

It is a violation of natural law to make people who weren't even born to pay for the mistakes of long dead people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-13   10:57:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

Just because previous generation were conned into socialist insecurity. That doesn't mean that the new generations owe them a penny.

It is a violation of natural law to make people who weren't even born to pay for the mistakes of long dead people.

Since no one can agree on what laws are 'natural' we will just have to go by the ones voted on and passed by the elected representatives of the people of the US.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-13   11:15:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mininggold (#6) (Edited)

Since no one can agree on what laws are 'natural' we will just have to go by the ones voted on and passed by representatives of the people of the US.

So if the R's take over and pass a law to kill all D's then it is ok by your own definition.

That was a stupid statement you made.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-13   11:19:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)

So if the R's take over and pass a law to kill all D's then it is ok by your own definition.

That was a stupid statement you made.

We have a system of checks and balances, so far it's worked pretty well.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-13   11:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold (#10)

We have a system of checks and balances, so far it's worked pretty well.

That is not what you said. You said we would have to go by what our representatives passed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-13   11:23:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)

That is not what you said. You said we would have to go by what our representatives passed.

We do have elections, don't we? and a Supreme Court?

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-13   11:25:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold (#12)

We do have elections, don't we? and a Supreme Court?

Some would say no.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-13   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Some would say no.

Only those who demand instant gratification. You will have a chance to vote out your favorite boogeyman next year.

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