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Title: Occupy Eugene Ongoing - Consensus model working so far [My home city's Occupy protest]
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eugeneweekly.com
URL Source: http://eugeneweekly.com/2011/10/20/news1.html
Published: Oct 22, 2011
Author: By Andrew Hitz and Camilla Mortensen. Ph
Post Date: 2011-10-22 17:00:35 by Ferret Mike
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People in suits and people in casual clothes, cubical workers and day laborers, Duck fans and tie-dye hippies all made their way from the Wayne Morse Free Speech Plaza down to the Ferry Street Bridge Oct. 15 around 4 pm to Occupy Eugene. The crowd of 2,000 beamed smiles at each other — and high-fived the Eugene police — as they marched in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. The group has drawn together as a nonviolent movement for accountability that is not longer content to let “corporate and special interests run their government,” according to occupyeugene.com “We — are — the 99 percent!” some chanted at the front of the crowd of almost 2,000. Eugene’s Saturday gathering was the 11th largest occupy event in the nation. “The people — united — will never be divided!” chanted others farther back. “I believe in independence, true independence and justice,” said a young woman who gave her name only as Ariel. “I think there is a serious lack of that at the moment. Everyone here is standing for so many different things but, I think when it comes down to it we can agree on those two things — as Americans.” Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center said, “The group has consensed upon Occupy Wall Street’s demands, but not yet our own demands which may address local issues.” Occupy Wall Street’s demands, which include disavowing corporations as individuals, “are pretty damn clear,” she says. Regan adds, “This is a nonpartisan, very broad movement that includes everyone from Republicans to anarchists.” Occupy Eugene, like Occupy Wall Street and other occupy gatherings, is run by a consensus process that Regan says is remarkably efficient. The webpage downtwinkles.com, which features a video of a Cascadia Forest Defender at Occupy Portland explaining the consensus process, is becoming a viral hit. Occupy Eugene’s Saturday general assembly reached consensus on following the St. Paul Principles, which are principles of solidarity that came out of the 2008 protests at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota. The principles include not denouncing fellow activists and events and respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups. John Flanery, a facilitator of general assemblies at the occupation and a We The People activist who participated in the march, said, “I’m tired of the collusion between big business and government am no longer willing to be ruled by the one percent.” Cooperative efforts were made Saturday night by Food Not Bombs and The Last Stand Coffee Co., among others, to provide food and drink for those occupying; the more tech-savvy connected a live stream at http://occupyeugenemedia.org/livestream/ to the web. About 100 or so of the supporters have been meeting up on a daily basis for the general assemblies that occur at 7 am and 7 pm. Fewer have been spending the night at the occupation, but supplies like tents, sleeping bags and food abound, and a first aid tent is available. How long the occupation will last is a matter of community dialogue and coordination, organizers say. Theoretically, the Saturday Market will take place on the Park Blocks next week as usual. This has caused concern for some artisans from the Saturday Market, a number of whom made a showing at the Sunday evening general assembly. Occupy Eugene says there has been an ongoing dialogue between the market and Occupy Eugene. Embodied in a spirit of collective uprising and self-reliance is not only the recognition of a broken system, but a willingness to repair it, occupiers say. David Parziale, a senior environmental studies major at the UO, say this was the Eugene he had heard of before entering school. “I came to Eugene because I thought this was a place where there would be a nice mix of between university and the activism that Eugene has a history of having,” he says. “I came here because I thought it was a place where there would be people rising up because there were unjust wars going on. This, finally, after I’m almost done with college — this is why occupy is happening. There’s finally people trying to speak up.” 
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
It's about time the left work up and realized they have been getting hosed as badly as those of us on the right. At this point in history the fight shouldn't be between the right and the left. It should be between the citizens and those who would be our masters and destroy our culture for personal profits.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Globalists vs Nationalists.
What you say is so right on the money. Look at the French Resistance for example; French communist party members worked side by side with very rightwing people united in the goal of expelling the foul invaders. They were united in their goal, and brothers and sisters in arms against the German Nazi foe. Those we oppose want us to fight among ourselves and to be unable to form a united front. Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
Then lets stand together and rid the nation of the illegal aliens? Then lets stand together and prosecute Obama for war crimes. Then lets stand together and Get rid of Obama the man with a treasury secretary from wall street.
I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party. How convenient. Dumbass Stoner is falling for it.
I look at Alabama where the draconian new law has created a severe labor shortage that is forcing farmers to plow under their crops and plan for smaller harvests next year. They have been unsucessful at the task of getting American citizens to do the hard work with low pay to get in the crops. We had slaves brought in from Africa to work for very little to keep costs down on Southern farms which for better or worse, helped this country prosper and grow. And now we have Latinos and Latinas willing to do the same for very little pay, we persecute and bedevil them for this. I want them here keepng costs down. Sorry, I am for amnesty on this issue. That won't change. You also forget they don't decide to come here in a vacuum. They are enticed here by people wanting the low cost labor every bit as much as they decide to come. Yet, many on the right only pick on them, because it's dangerous to pick on well moneied and connected people doing the labor recruitment. And as for going after Obama, it is pointless unless you go after those doing Neocon policy promotion on both the right and left at the same time. Otherwise you create an senario where the one percenters with most the capital have a situation that acts as a crowbar prying people apart getting them to fight among themselves forgetting who the real problem is in creating and perpetuating bad economic times. You can't fight side by side with people against a common foe if they are always worried about fratricide.
It is an old tried and true game. Second verse, same as the first.
Can you link me to a story of farmers plowing under their crops?
Exactly. Or more precisely,"Americans versus Citizens of the World". There are lots of leftists that are proud of being American citizens,but not one single globalist that I am aware of that I would even call 911 for if they were laying bleeding to death in my front yard.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I would rather pay more and have Americans do it. It would raise us all up. We have different cultures and values. Deport deport deport.
I know. You just alluded it to as one of your reasons for wanting illegals here.
Amen! Preach it,brother. The fight should be between American Citizens and Citizens of the world. I will only argue,not fight,with my fellow Americans. I have no problem whatsoever fighting and killing fascist bastards,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The problem is Obama. NAFTA, GATT. NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
Odd how that happens to work out,ain't it? If I were the suspicious type......
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves.
I'm falling for it. lol. I'm voting against Obama. Ferret is going to vote to reelect him. You probably too.
We had prayer in every class during my high school years. And look at me now. We even said them on the bus ride to sporting events. We often lost.
You've demonized the tea party from the beginning. The people who started OWS are morons and losers. A lot of the people who come to protest there are for many many different reasons. I can respect some of them.
And look at me now. Was America better back then or now when we don't have it?
I don't. Not unless they are here legally,and here because they want to live free,not here to make money to send to Mexico or to turn American into Mexico. Here is a thought. How about make those asshole farmers settle for a smaller profit? Most of the ones I know are millionaires or even multi-millionaires. Who the hell decided to make them welfare queens by guaranteeing them fixed profits for growing a set amount of crops,or even paying them to NOT grow crops? Name one other occupation where the people are paid to NOT work. This is America,they can sink or swim,just like everybody else in every other occupation. Yeah,I know all the arguments about how we need to subsidize the "family farm" in order to protect and keep alive a lifestyle that made America great. Guess what? There ain't no such creature as the "family farm" anymore. They are all corporate farms because they figured out in was in their financial interests to form corporations. Who the hell do they think they are,the Bank of America or Citi-Bank? Meanwhile,blue collar workers are being told to suck it up as their manufacturing jobs are all being moved offshore. When you destroy the American middle-class,you have destroyed America. WE are the people that made it work,not the bankers or the lawyers.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
We need to stop legal immigration too. At least for a generation or two.
Yes there is. My Uncle has one. (But I understand your point that there aren't many.
You must snort BullShit, because you are so fking full of it Mike. Americans have a hard enough time as it is fighting their own government corruption, taking back, and keeping what is ours, the last fking thing we need is the intire nation of Mexico swarming in here, breaking our sovereign laws, demanding every g-damn thing under the sun for free, at the fking expence of the American taxpayer...jobs my ass, that's what work Visa's are for, it keeps the system legal. They are here because they are too g-damn cowardly and lazy to fight for the same rights we have, in their own country. Why the hell should they fight? They're taking everything they want for free, including our sovereign land and taking over our government, all without firing a G-damn shot. A direct ACT OF WAR! They are kept here because of corrupt politicians scamming for votes, and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you. I'd just love to Slap You Stupid, but someone has beat me to it, you and your kind who'd give the last bite of food out of the mouths of your own family, and give it away to squatters that take everything that's not nailed down, in a country they don't even belong in. When the REAL WAR begins, I just hope you can drag yourself out from underneath your bed, that's when you and all those who sold this nation down the creek, that's when the parties and protestings and girlscout campouts are over and the REAL FIGHT begins, there won't be a stupid song you can sing, or some fking stupid sign you carry that will save your sorry traitorous ass, and it will be bloody, you can count on it. JMHO!
Farmers in states like Alabama that have passed strong anti-illegal immigration laws are fighting back, saying they are losing labor and that US workers are unwilling to take up farm work. Farmers fearing a labor shortage are protesting recent immigration laws they say are too harsh, forcing undocumented workers to flee to prevent deportation. They say US workers are unwilling to endure the rigorous conditions of farm work and that state legislators need to come up with solutions to prevent local agribusiness from going under.[snip] the state. The new immigration laws will result in a $40 million hit to the state’s economy, with 10,000 illegal workers, each making about $5,000 a year, set to leave, according to a report released this week by the University of Alabama’s Center for Business and Economic Research.[snip] A labor shortage of 5,244 workers in seven of the state’s primary crops – blueberry, blackberry, Vidalia onion, bell pepper, squash, cucumber, and watermelon – resulted in a $75 million loss, according to the University of Georgia Center for Agribusiness and Economic Development. The losses are “pretty significant,” says John McKissick, an agricultural economist at the University of Georgia. He says farmers participating in the survey say “they will either reduce acreage next year or reduce their harvest” as a result. [exerpts from piece in link.) Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown (Second half of article) The blow to Cash can be measured in those $100,000 – money he says he had wanted to put aside as insurance against a poor crop in future years. But it can also be measured in other ways. Cash says that losing his pickers is much more than a commercial disaster. "Many of these people are friends and like family to us. They have been working for my family for years." The crew leader for Cash's fields has been working for his family for 17 years. "He's my age and we pretty much grew up together," he says. Cash has sponsored him in his application for American naturalisation – a process that the immigration authorities have said will take up to nine years and cost up to $17,000. The crew leader already has permanent residency status and his two children are US citizens, but because his wife is undocumented he was fearful of the new law and left abruptly along with the others the minute the provisions came in. Cash gets angry when people tell him that his Hispanic workforce was taking jobs away from Americans. Since the new law began two weeks ago only two American citizens have come by his farm asking for work. The couple had driven two hours from a city to offer their services, but they barely lasted that long in the fields. Cash discovered that they were trying to fiddle him by notching up two baskets of tomatoes for every one they picked – as they were paid by the basket that would have fraudulently doubled their earnings. "That's just the kind of stuff you come across. Somebody who really wants a good job and is prepared to work hard and honest for it isn't going to come up here for four months in the year. "But Hispanics will do that, and move on to Florida when the picking's finished." In a couple of weeks Cash says he will kiss goodbye to all the tomatoes left in the fields. He has already begun to pull up the stakes and remove the plastic ground cover, and then he will take a tractor out and bury the plants under ground. "It's going to be a little while, but eventually people will see what has been done here. The cost of food in the supermarkets is going to go up, and in the end we will all pay the price." Mammy, that's a funny post, especially with the pic. Thanks.
The guy sounds like he wants to work them and not pay them good. Five thousand a year. He is a slaver.
Meaningless tripe; When you misuse a word like 'traitor' just to snipe at someone with nothing to back it up, you discredit yourself. Not only have I worked quite hard most my life, I am a combat vet who served honerably. Your words are amusing at best, and have standing only as fiction at best, slander at worse. ;-)
Nah, he's a farmer who has the realities of the current system and market to deal with. He's a slaver only if he owns people and emprisons them and has the right to buy and sell them. You are being silly at best.
Fred did you know I have a dog named Fred. He doesn't have a last name. He is old like you. :)
It is amusing picture. It's fun making them too. I've done the same thing at sites that offer this service. ;-)
If I get another dog I'll name it Rocky or Rock Head.
Most of the post is garbled rant. She's trying to match writing skills with me and failing horribly. I feel for her. ;-D
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S. You are fear mongering.
She's rambling again, but she'd like to slap you. Wassup wiff dat?
And there it is. The majority are the LaRaz crowd. They ain't Americans with funny accents,they are foreigners with a foreign culture. If you don't want to be an American,get the hell out of my country unless you are here as a tourist. Then you can spend your money and THEN get the hell out of my country.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Meant that last post as an answer to pete who's post the quote is from.
This is bait. Look at my tagline.
I know. Operation wetback sent them back home.
HorseHillary! First off,prayer is not banned and has never been banned in school. OFFICIAL PUBLIC prayer in PUBLIC schools has been banned,as it should. If you don't agree with me,move your ass to a Muslim neighborhood in Detroit,and send your kids to a public school in that neighborhood and then get back with me on how thrilled you are to have your kids forced to pray to Mohammed and Allah. Secondly,nobody is preventing even public prayer in private religious schools. If you think your children are the spawn of Satan and just HAVE to pray daily,nobody is preventing you from sending them to a church school.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I disagree with them on many things. But for someone whom I allegedly 'demonize,' it is odd then I have made many of the local Teahadist functions and listened to them and engaged them in discourse. If I thought they were like devils you Christians believe in, I don't think I'd go and do that, now.
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#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
#3. To: sneakypete (#1)
"At this point in history the fight shouldn't be between the right and the left. It should be between the citizens and those who would be our masters and destroy our culture for personal profits."
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my enemies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#6. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#4)
(Edited)
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
"I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party."
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
I look at Alabama where the draconian new law has created a severe labor shortage that is forcing farmers to plow under their crops and plan for smaller harvests next year. They have been unsucessful at the task of getting American citizens to do the hard work with low pay to get in the crops.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Globalists vs Nationalists.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
I want them here keepng costs down.
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
They are enticed here by people wanting the low cost labor
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
Otherwise you create an senario where the one percenters with most the capital have a situation that acts as a crowbar prying people apart getting them to fight among themselves forgetting who the real problem is in creating and perpetuating bad economic times.
#14. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party. How convenient.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
You can't fight side by side with people against a common foe
#16. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#13)
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#17)
We had prayer in every class during my high school years.
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
We had slaves brought in from Africa to work for very little to keep costs down on Southern farms which for better or worse, helped this country prosper and grow. And now we have Latinos and Latinas willing to do the same for very little pay, we persecute and bedevil them for this. I want them here keepng costs down.
#21. To: sneakypete (#20)
Not unless they are here legally
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
(Edited)
Guess what? There ain't no such creature as the "family farm" anymore
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
They are inticed here by people wanting the low cost labor wevery bit as much as they decide to come. Yet, many on the right only pick on them, because it's dangerous to pick on well moneied and connected people doing the labor recruitment.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Anti-illegal immigration bill stokes backlash in Alabama fields
#25. To: Murron (#23)
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
#27. To: Murron (#23)
"...and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you."
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
"He is a slaver."
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
(Edited)
"Mammy, that's a funny post, especially with the pic. Thanks."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#33. To: sneakypete (#20)
"I don't. Not unless they are here legally,and here because they want to live free,not here to make money to send to Mexico or to turn American into Mexico."
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'd just love to Slap You Stupid, but someone has beat me to it, you and your kind who'd give the last bite of food out of the mouths of your own family, and give it away to squatters that take everything that's not nailed down, in a country they don't even belong in.
#35. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#10)
We have different cultures and values.
#36. To: All, A K A Stone, Sneakypete (#33)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#16)
"Ferret is going to vote to reelect him. You probably too."
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#13)
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
#40. To: A K A Stone (#18)
"You've demonized the tea party from the beginning."
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