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Title: Occupy Eugene Ongoing - Consensus model working so far [My home city's Occupy protest]
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eugeneweekly.com
URL Source: http://eugeneweekly.com/2011/10/20/news1.html
Published: Oct 22, 2011
Author: By Andrew Hitz and Camilla Mortensen. Ph
Post Date: 2011-10-22 17:00:35 by Ferret Mike
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People in suits and people in casual clothes, cubical workers and day laborers, Duck fans and tie-dye hippies all made their way from the Wayne Morse Free Speech Plaza down to the Ferry Street Bridge Oct. 15 around 4 pm to Occupy Eugene. The crowd of 2,000 beamed smiles at each other — and high-fived the Eugene police — as they marched in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. The group has drawn together as a nonviolent movement for accountability that is not longer content to let “corporate and special interests run their government,” according to occupyeugene.com “We — are — the 99 percent!” some chanted at the front of the crowd of almost 2,000. Eugene’s Saturday gathering was the 11th largest occupy event in the nation. “The people — united — will never be divided!” chanted others farther back. “I believe in independence, true independence and justice,” said a young woman who gave her name only as Ariel. “I think there is a serious lack of that at the moment. Everyone here is standing for so many different things but, I think when it comes down to it we can agree on those two things — as Americans.” Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center said, “The group has consensed upon Occupy Wall Street’s demands, but not yet our own demands which may address local issues.” Occupy Wall Street’s demands, which include disavowing corporations as individuals, “are pretty damn clear,” she says. Regan adds, “This is a nonpartisan, very broad movement that includes everyone from Republicans to anarchists.” Occupy Eugene, like Occupy Wall Street and other occupy gatherings, is run by a consensus process that Regan says is remarkably efficient. The webpage downtwinkles.com, which features a video of a Cascadia Forest Defender at Occupy Portland explaining the consensus process, is becoming a viral hit. Occupy Eugene’s Saturday general assembly reached consensus on following the St. Paul Principles, which are principles of solidarity that came out of the 2008 protests at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota. The principles include not denouncing fellow activists and events and respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups. John Flanery, a facilitator of general assemblies at the occupation and a We The People activist who participated in the march, said, “I’m tired of the collusion between big business and government am no longer willing to be ruled by the one percent.” Cooperative efforts were made Saturday night by Food Not Bombs and The Last Stand Coffee Co., among others, to provide food and drink for those occupying; the more tech-savvy connected a live stream at http://occupyeugenemedia.org/livestream/ to the web. About 100 or so of the supporters have been meeting up on a daily basis for the general assemblies that occur at 7 am and 7 pm. Fewer have been spending the night at the occupation, but supplies like tents, sleeping bags and food abound, and a first aid tent is available. How long the occupation will last is a matter of community dialogue and coordination, organizers say. Theoretically, the Saturday Market will take place on the Park Blocks next week as usual. This has caused concern for some artisans from the Saturday Market, a number of whom made a showing at the Sunday evening general assembly. Occupy Eugene says there has been an ongoing dialogue between the market and Occupy Eugene. Embodied in a spirit of collective uprising and self-reliance is not only the recognition of a broken system, but a willingness to repair it, occupiers say. David Parziale, a senior environmental studies major at the UO, say this was the Eugene he had heard of before entering school. “I came to Eugene because I thought this was a place where there would be a nice mix of between university and the activism that Eugene has a history of having,” he says. “I came here because I thought it was a place where there would be people rising up because there were unjust wars going on. This, finally, after I’m almost done with college — this is why occupy is happening. There’s finally people trying to speak up.” 
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
It's about time the left work up and realized they have been getting hosed as badly as those of us on the right. At this point in history the fight shouldn't be between the right and the left. It should be between the citizens and those who would be our masters and destroy our culture for personal profits.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Globalists vs Nationalists.
What you say is so right on the money. Look at the French Resistance for example; French communist party members worked side by side with very rightwing people united in the goal of expelling the foul invaders. They were united in their goal, and brothers and sisters in arms against the German Nazi foe. Those we oppose want us to fight among ourselves and to be unable to form a united front. Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
Then lets stand together and rid the nation of the illegal aliens? Then lets stand together and prosecute Obama for war crimes. Then lets stand together and Get rid of Obama the man with a treasury secretary from wall street.
I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party. How convenient. Dumbass Stoner is falling for it.
I look at Alabama where the draconian new law has created a severe labor shortage that is forcing farmers to plow under their crops and plan for smaller harvests next year. They have been unsucessful at the task of getting American citizens to do the hard work with low pay to get in the crops. We had slaves brought in from Africa to work for very little to keep costs down on Southern farms which for better or worse, helped this country prosper and grow. And now we have Latinos and Latinas willing to do the same for very little pay, we persecute and bedevil them for this. I want them here keepng costs down. Sorry, I am for amnesty on this issue. That won't change. You also forget they don't decide to come here in a vacuum. They are enticed here by people wanting the low cost labor every bit as much as they decide to come. Yet, many on the right only pick on them, because it's dangerous to pick on well moneied and connected people doing the labor recruitment. And as for going after Obama, it is pointless unless you go after those doing Neocon policy promotion on both the right and left at the same time. Otherwise you create an senario where the one percenters with most the capital have a situation that acts as a crowbar prying people apart getting them to fight among themselves forgetting who the real problem is in creating and perpetuating bad economic times. You can't fight side by side with people against a common foe if they are always worried about fratricide.
It is an old tried and true game. Second verse, same as the first.
Can you link me to a story of farmers plowing under their crops?
Exactly. Or more precisely,"Americans versus Citizens of the World". There are lots of leftists that are proud of being American citizens,but not one single globalist that I am aware of that I would even call 911 for if they were laying bleeding to death in my front yard.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I would rather pay more and have Americans do it. It would raise us all up. We have different cultures and values. Deport deport deport.
I know. You just alluded it to as one of your reasons for wanting illegals here.
Amen! Preach it,brother. The fight should be between American Citizens and Citizens of the world. I will only argue,not fight,with my fellow Americans. I have no problem whatsoever fighting and killing fascist bastards,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The problem is Obama. NAFTA, GATT. NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
Odd how that happens to work out,ain't it? If I were the suspicious type......
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves.
I'm falling for it. lol. I'm voting against Obama. Ferret is going to vote to reelect him. You probably too.
We had prayer in every class during my high school years. And look at me now. We even said them on the bus ride to sporting events. We often lost.
You've demonized the tea party from the beginning. The people who started OWS are morons and losers. A lot of the people who come to protest there are for many many different reasons. I can respect some of them.
And look at me now. Was America better back then or now when we don't have it?
I don't. Not unless they are here legally,and here because they want to live free,not here to make money to send to Mexico or to turn American into Mexico. Here is a thought. How about make those asshole farmers settle for a smaller profit? Most of the ones I know are millionaires or even multi-millionaires. Who the hell decided to make them welfare queens by guaranteeing them fixed profits for growing a set amount of crops,or even paying them to NOT grow crops? Name one other occupation where the people are paid to NOT work. This is America,they can sink or swim,just like everybody else in every other occupation. Yeah,I know all the arguments about how we need to subsidize the "family farm" in order to protect and keep alive a lifestyle that made America great. Guess what? There ain't no such creature as the "family farm" anymore. They are all corporate farms because they figured out in was in their financial interests to form corporations. Who the hell do they think they are,the Bank of America or Citi-Bank? Meanwhile,blue collar workers are being told to suck it up as their manufacturing jobs are all being moved offshore. When you destroy the American middle-class,you have destroyed America. WE are the people that made it work,not the bankers or the lawyers.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
We need to stop legal immigration too. At least for a generation or two.
Yes there is. My Uncle has one. (But I understand your point that there aren't many.
You must snort BullShit, because you are so fking full of it Mike. Americans have a hard enough time as it is fighting their own government corruption, taking back, and keeping what is ours, the last fking thing we need is the intire nation of Mexico swarming in here, breaking our sovereign laws, demanding every g-damn thing under the sun for free, at the fking expence of the American taxpayer...jobs my ass, that's what work Visa's are for, it keeps the system legal. They are here because they are too g-damn cowardly and lazy to fight for the same rights we have, in their own country. Why the hell should they fight? They're taking everything they want for free, including our sovereign land and taking over our government, all without firing a G-damn shot. A direct ACT OF WAR! They are kept here because of corrupt politicians scamming for votes, and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you. I'd just love to Slap You Stupid, but someone has beat me to it, you and your kind who'd give the last bite of food out of the mouths of your own family, and give it away to squatters that take everything that's not nailed down, in a country they don't even belong in. When the REAL WAR begins, I just hope you can drag yourself out from underneath your bed, that's when you and all those who sold this nation down the creek, that's when the parties and protestings and girlscout campouts are over and the REAL FIGHT begins, there won't be a stupid song you can sing, or some fking stupid sign you carry that will save your sorry traitorous ass, and it will be bloody, you can count on it. JMHO!
Farmers in states like Alabama that have passed strong anti-illegal immigration laws are fighting back, saying they are losing labor and that US workers are unwilling to take up farm work. Farmers fearing a labor shortage are protesting recent immigration laws they say are too harsh, forcing undocumented workers to flee to prevent deportation. They say US workers are unwilling to endure the rigorous conditions of farm work and that state legislators need to come up with solutions to prevent local agribusiness from going under.[snip] the state. The new immigration laws will result in a $40 million hit to the state’s economy, with 10,000 illegal workers, each making about $5,000 a year, set to leave, according to a report released this week by the University of Alabama’s Center for Business and Economic Research.[snip] A labor shortage of 5,244 workers in seven of the state’s primary crops – blueberry, blackberry, Vidalia onion, bell pepper, squash, cucumber, and watermelon – resulted in a $75 million loss, according to the University of Georgia Center for Agribusiness and Economic Development. The losses are “pretty significant,” says John McKissick, an agricultural economist at the University of Georgia. He says farmers participating in the survey say “they will either reduce acreage next year or reduce their harvest” as a result. [exerpts from piece in link.) Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown (Second half of article) The blow to Cash can be measured in those $100,000 – money he says he had wanted to put aside as insurance against a poor crop in future years. But it can also be measured in other ways. Cash says that losing his pickers is much more than a commercial disaster. "Many of these people are friends and like family to us. They have been working for my family for years." The crew leader for Cash's fields has been working for his family for 17 years. "He's my age and we pretty much grew up together," he says. Cash has sponsored him in his application for American naturalisation – a process that the immigration authorities have said will take up to nine years and cost up to $17,000. The crew leader already has permanent residency status and his two children are US citizens, but because his wife is undocumented he was fearful of the new law and left abruptly along with the others the minute the provisions came in. Cash gets angry when people tell him that his Hispanic workforce was taking jobs away from Americans. Since the new law began two weeks ago only two American citizens have come by his farm asking for work. The couple had driven two hours from a city to offer their services, but they barely lasted that long in the fields. Cash discovered that they were trying to fiddle him by notching up two baskets of tomatoes for every one they picked – as they were paid by the basket that would have fraudulently doubled their earnings. "That's just the kind of stuff you come across. Somebody who really wants a good job and is prepared to work hard and honest for it isn't going to come up here for four months in the year. "But Hispanics will do that, and move on to Florida when the picking's finished." In a couple of weeks Cash says he will kiss goodbye to all the tomatoes left in the fields. He has already begun to pull up the stakes and remove the plastic ground cover, and then he will take a tractor out and bury the plants under ground. "It's going to be a little while, but eventually people will see what has been done here. The cost of food in the supermarkets is going to go up, and in the end we will all pay the price." Mammy, that's a funny post, especially with the pic. Thanks.
The guy sounds like he wants to work them and not pay them good. Five thousand a year. He is a slaver.
Meaningless tripe; When you misuse a word like 'traitor' just to snipe at someone with nothing to back it up, you discredit yourself. Not only have I worked quite hard most my life, I am a combat vet who served honerably. Your words are amusing at best, and have standing only as fiction at best, slander at worse. ;-)
Nah, he's a farmer who has the realities of the current system and market to deal with. He's a slaver only if he owns people and emprisons them and has the right to buy and sell them. You are being silly at best.
Fred did you know I have a dog named Fred. He doesn't have a last name. He is old like you. :)
It is amusing picture. It's fun making them too. I've done the same thing at sites that offer this service. ;-)
If I get another dog I'll name it Rocky or Rock Head.
Most of the post is garbled rant. She's trying to match writing skills with me and failing horribly. I feel for her. ;-D
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S. You are fear mongering.
She's rambling again, but she'd like to slap you. Wassup wiff dat?
And there it is. The majority are the LaRaz crowd. They ain't Americans with funny accents,they are foreigners with a foreign culture. If you don't want to be an American,get the hell out of my country unless you are here as a tourist. Then you can spend your money and THEN get the hell out of my country.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Meant that last post as an answer to pete who's post the quote is from.
This is bait. Look at my tagline.
I know. Operation wetback sent them back home.
HorseHillary! First off,prayer is not banned and has never been banned in school. OFFICIAL PUBLIC prayer in PUBLIC schools has been banned,as it should. If you don't agree with me,move your ass to a Muslim neighborhood in Detroit,and send your kids to a public school in that neighborhood and then get back with me on how thrilled you are to have your kids forced to pray to Mohammed and Allah. Secondly,nobody is preventing even public prayer in private religious schools. If you think your children are the spawn of Satan and just HAVE to pray daily,nobody is preventing you from sending them to a church school.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I disagree with them on many things. But for someone whom I allegedly 'demonize,' it is odd then I have made many of the local Teahadist functions and listened to them and engaged them in discourse. If I thought they were like devils you Christians believe in, I don't think I'd go and do that, now.
Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried,or more blind if you plucked your own eyes out.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You are correct, prayer was never banned in school. Organized prayer where those who did not participate because of religious difference and often were picked on for it was banned. Prayer is very much allowed in school.
That's because Gawd hated your team.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I'm in my 60's,and grew up and went to school in Virginia. Despite it being heavily infested with fundie thumpers,I don't remember EVER praying to God in school as a child. That was reserved for church and home.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I agree. Mostly. If someone wants to immigrate here to become an American and live free and they have a occupation or trade that is useful,I'm all for letting them in. NO MORE RELIGIOUS OR POLITICAL REFUGEES,though! Coming here to hide out from your own people and becoming a parasite that lives off the blood and sweat of Americans is not acceptable as a valid reason to let you in. If you don't like it at home,take up a rifle and go into politics there.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You often try to bully me about not being your faith, and here you want to browbeat me about November 2012. Won't work. Whether I vote, or don't vote or decide to vote for, I wait for the election season to be well under way before I worry about who I vote for. I didn't give President Obama any donations last election, and I wrote in someone in the primary. That is not the behavior of someone who allegedly sees this guy as a savior of some sort. Give it a rest.
Secondly,nobody is preventing even public prayer in private religious schools. If you think your children are the spawn of Satan and just HAVE to pray daily,nobody is preventing you from sending them to a church school. I think it should be like in Germany. You choose where your kid goes to school. The money follows the student. I had my kids in private school for years. But the price went up to much for me to afford anymore. It sucks. I think any teacher should be allowed to exercise their religion in the classroom and influence the students. If the parents don't like it they should be to put their kids in another class. I don't think you can or should try to force people to be christians. You are or you aren't. You should be able to try and persuade them if you so choose though. Freedom of religion doesn't mean muslims. It means baptist, Presbyterian etc. Different christian sects. There were no muslim founding fathers. They despised muslims as far as I know. Go ahead rip me on this one I don't care. When I went to Ross Jr High School in El Paso Texas back in the 80's. A teacher told a student she wasn't allowed to bring her bible to class. I was offended. On preventing you from sending your kids to private christian school. Yes you are prevented. You have to pay taxes for government school. Then the bill for private school. If you send your kids to private school, you should get your tax money back to help you fund that choice.
Are The People.....who understand that Individuality and Independence are the guts of Life and Freedom. Some see Life as the numbers of years you live, Others see it as to how much Life.....you experience in a year/years. Some live half the time as others, and have experienced.....More Life : ) The system hates that people can dream and be independent. Maximus: If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and are already dead! Some Military organizations of states in History had soldiers,....servants,...who saw life like this. We joke around calling people bots, talk about endangered : )
You're right. I should have said there is no such thing as a profitable family farm anymore. They are just too small to make a profit. If you have enough money to go out and buy new tractors,combines,tractor-trailers,and all the other equipment needed to farm today,you don't need to work for a living. Most of the small family farms I see are hobby farms more than anything else.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I've got Buchanans new book. Haven't read to far into it yet. But I'm liking it. If only he was listened to back in 92. I think he would have been a good President.
It should primarily be taught at home. But if someone wants to say something they should be allowed to. Free speech you know. No law.... No law has a meaning.
People are not black and white. Some conservatives believe in things many liberals hold true, and this works the other way around. Not to mention trying to put words in the mouth of your concept of god that are self serving in a way to villify an entire class of people is a fool's errand at best.
You're right. It is not 100 percent. More like 94 percent.
Maybe you should try paying them more? Whining about the workers that earn 5,000 a year being forced to leave ain't no way to get me on your side. Do you or any of YOUR children think a 5k a year job is a "good job"? If not,why did you describe it that way? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch,bucko! Step up to the plate and accept less profits due to paying your help more,and there won't be any shortage of workers. They damn sure don't have high-paying factory jobs to go to.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
There were no scholarships to lighten the fee load? That is how I got to go to a private school; my grades were so high I qualified for scholarships to pay much of the cost. There were six kids in my family growing up. Without this help, I would of gone to public school too.
Yeah,and almost all of them came here to be Americans,too. They didn't come here to make this into Mexico. Most even insisted that English be spoken in their homes,and refused to teach their children how to speak Spanish. Compare that to the invaders coming here today that insist we speak Spanish to them.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
If you ever put your kids in private school the government will not help you. The school did cut us a good discount. Last year it was 750 a month. That was rough. This year it was supposed to increase quite a bit more. I don't remember the exact number. I don't think their price is unreasonable. It was just getting to much. Makes it hard to save money and stuff. Especially since my wife wasn't working at the time.
Will you take the "I will not vote for Romney or Perry no matter what!" pledge?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Why is the text different sizes in my posts.
No,but the fact that you somehow "overlooked" making the statement that you didn't vote for him in the general election speaks louder than all your protests. I say the same thing to both you and Stone. "You are either a part of the solution,or you are a part of the problem."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
When I worked in the woods planting trees and doing other reforestation work, I was paid well. I have gotten as much as 20.00 an hour doing a job i had to pay 200-400 dollars for boots, 50.00 for quality rain gear, sat in a work vehicle for hours at a time going to and from the job site, and because the work is bid out, companies with latino crews outbid Greenhill Reforestation and the Hoedads for whom I worked. So now people do this work for about ten bucks an hour which makes it much lower when you factor in the costs of material and unpaide travel time. You are preaching to the choir. I had to put aside my initial anger at how I was disenfranchized from work I loved to learn enough to se the bigger picture; that it made no sense to scape goat mexican pawns used by uncrupulous people to pit one workforce against another to profit from the savings. I don't waste time hating and villifying economic pawns; I save that for the people that use them.
No. I despise Obama to much. Out of the candidates to choose from. Here are my top 3. 1. Ron Paul 2. Herman Cain 3. Rick Perry I like Ron Paul. I like many things about Herman Cain. I hope Rick Perry is ok and really a conservative. I've lived in Texas. I can understand his position on Mexican immigration. Well I can kind of understand it. Yeah it sucks.
With respect, my vote for President Obama in 2008 is a matter of record. I see no need to repeat myself, especially in light of how I am talking to Stone who has trouble telling bait apart from debate.
Maybe you hate him too much. From my perspective you offer your POV as, "Agree with me or you are fucking scum." This sort of bombastic presentation does not invite people to find commonality; it drives a wedge between them.
Yeah so what. That is only on certain fundamental issues though. Not the example you are looking for but I will give you one. If you think rape is ok then I disagree with you and think you are scum. See how that works? Another example. Say you think we should have a tax rate on the rich of 70 percent. Say I think everyone should pay 10 percent flat tax. I may think your idea is stupid but I don't think you are scum for that position.
I mostly agree with that. I would only add that the school should have the right to refuse admission to any student for cause. If you are a trouble-making gangsta or a retard,they should legally be able to deny you admission. Schools should be allowed to focus their time,attention,and money on the children that are there to learn,not the ones who are there to make trouble. I had my kids in private school for years. But the price went up to much for me to afford anymore. It sucks. I agree,but doesn't your church have or promote a private religious school with reduced tuition for the children of the faithful? If not,why not? I think any teacher should be allowed to exercise their religion in the classroom and influence the students. If the parents don't like it they should be to put their kids in another class. So,if your children had ONE fundie Muslim teacher that insisted on teaching Islam with math and he was the only math teacher,what happens then? Do you take your child out of school and bus or drive him to another school in another neighborhood,and maybe have a Catholic teacher talk religion with your Protestant child? Doesn't it seem like a simpler solution to tell the teachers to keep their personal lives and opinions to themselves,and just teach the subjects they were hired to teach? I don't think you can or should try to force people to be christians. You are or you aren't. That's not true and you know it. If it were,the religious wouldn't go so far as to go to other countries to "bring God to the Godless",and you could turn on your teebee any Sunday and not see somebody waving a Bible around and screaming about Gods Love and Hellfire. Freedom of religion doesn't mean muslims. It means baptist, Presbyterian etc. Different christian sects. ROFLMAO! I see. "Freedom of Religion" means people are free to be followers of any approved religion they are allowed to see and hear about. There were no muslim founding fathers. That's true,as far as I know. They despised muslims as far as I know. I have no idea if "they" (as a group) despised,loved,or never gave a single thought to Muslims. I do know they all came from countries with "Official Approved Religions",and were either punished for holding other religious viewpoints,or know people that were. I am also 100% certain that if they wanted to exclude Muslims or people of any other non-Christian faith that they would have at least argued about it,if not place a outright ban on those religions. Stone,the truth is you are either free to run your own personal life,or you are not free. There is no in-between.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Of course I agree with that.
ALL systems hate these people because these are the people that usually ask inconvenient questions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That's not true and you know it. If it were,the religious wouldn't go so far as to go to other countries to "bring God to the Godless",and you could turn on your teebee any Sunday and not see somebody waving a Bible around and screaming about Gods Love and Hellfire. I used the word "force" not "persuade".
Even rapists who commit this crime of violence don't like it unless it is them doing it. Comparing this with political disagreement or of points of view does not get your point across well. As for the tax example, I on't think of another point of view as being 'stupid,' just different and something to engag in lively discourse on. And i don't think of disagreement as making anyone'scum.'
ROFLMAO! I see. "Freedom of Religion" means people are free to be followers of any approved religion they are allowed to see and hear about. I was pulling your chain a bit with that one. I do that sometimes.
I am inclined to agree that he was at a minimum more in line with the thinking of the typical American than the other candidates. What hurt him was his own hypocrisy. Running around with false outrage and screaming "buy American!" while he and his sister were driving Mercedes-Benz cars and talking about "candidates with no job experience" when he had never really worked for a living himself are what hurt him. He tried to be Barry Goldwater,and failed. But at least he tried.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
As long as that "someone" is not a teacher or other school official,I mostly agree. Free speech you know. No law.... Here is where I disagree. After you tell somebody 3 or 4 times that you have no interest in being converted to their religious beliefs and are tired of them screaming at you about you going to hell,it becomes harassment if they don't stop. Free Speech does NOT include the right to harass people. I once "fired" a idiot I worked with that was a recent "born-again" that just wouldn't shut up about his love for "Jay-ZUS!" despite me telling him in more forceful language each time that I had no interest in hearing it. He even started following me around to shout Bible phrases at me. I wasn't a boss,but I fired him anyhow by grabbing him around the throat and explaining to him that the world was going to suddenly turn into a very dark place if he didn't shut the fuck up about religion. For some odd reason he left and didn't come back. I guess you could say I was better at making him a believer than he was with him making me one.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
1. Ron Paul 2. Herman Cain 3. Rick Perry I like Ron Paul. I like Ron Paul,too. Hell,I will probably end up casting a write in vote for him in 2012,just like I did in 2008. He ain't going to win,though. No matter that he is more right on the important issues than the other candidates,he has all the personal charisma of a corpse.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Then you are (were?) no different than the people you were complaining about. "Physician,heal thyself!"
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I think you will have to admit that all through history force has been used as the primary tool to "persuade" people to at least pretend to worship whatever approved God is worshiped locally. When the Jews in Spain were told to either convert to Christianity or die and have all their property seized,that was some pretty powerful persuasion. Mohammed followed the same strategy to gain followers.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Ok,fair enough. I do that sometimes. Yeah,I just happen to know a thing or two about that myself.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I disagree. Here is why. Should these so called Wall Street protesters be told to go home you are harassing people? My answer is no. For you to be consistent you would have to say yes imo. Not that anyone should harass anyone.
Rand is more charismatic.
I reached the conclusion a long time ago I'd never see a decent POTUS in my lifetime. Which made it quite annoying to hear people harp on me that I saw President Obama as 'my hero.' I voted against McNasty and the Tundra trash as much as anything. The annoyance of the shrillness of the attacks during the election had more to do with my choice then you will ever know. Suffice it to say, if I was so much a fan, I would of donate to him last time. The only one I put money on in terms of donations was Dr. no during the primary season. I would say right now, the attacks on his wife and daughters bother me far more than the least petty ones directed at President Obama. The process needs more comity to it. For example; the birfer game and the insult concerning his step dad's name is a yawn to me. Myself, I had a step dad and he wanted us to adopt his last name which I tried briefly in forth grade as kids have a propensity to want to please the adults they deal with. That name would of been especially unbearible had my name been 'James.' Michael Bond was bad enough as not only was the secret agent thing big back then, there was a brand of bread back East by that name in the 1960s. I'm sure had I risen to the level of Senator then POTUS, people hating me would be calling me Mike Bond instead of Mike McCarthy. So I just feel sympathy for the bastard when I read your signature with a name in it that is not his.
You disagree because you are a True Believer when it comes to your religious faith,and you want and need everybody to agree with you. There is no question at all in your mind that everything you say about your FAITH (notice religion is about faith,not fact)is absolutely true,and you can't understand why everybody else doesn't see it that way. Should these so called Wall Street protesters be told to go home you are harassing people? Of course not. Apples and oranges. PUBLIC employees (teachers) represent government,and in a PUBLIC institution like public schools they have a captive audience that has neither the right to leave or to disagree vocally. They are a captive audience. Which is comparable to the work situation I found myself in. I lacked the ability to move away and not hear the "giving witness" nonsense of my fellow employee,and he refused to quit preaching to me. In this case his right to Free Speech was overpowered by my right to not have to listen to it. In other words,any damn fool that wants has the right to climb up on a soapbox and babble any nonsense he wants in a public park or on a public street,but he does NOT have the right to follow you into your home or place of employment in order to try to force his views on you. On the other hand,you can avoid the so-called Wall Street protesters by simply not going to where they are protesting,or walking right past them. PLUS,they aren't agents of the government. This is big. Individual citizens have the right to free speech. The government does NOT. The Bill of Rights were written and voted on in order LIMIT the power of government over individuals,not to protect the free speech of governments,which does not exist. How would you react if Romney were elected and the government suddenly decided to push Mormonism off on the population by teaching and promoting Mormonism in the public schools? Would public employees (teachers) have the free speech RIGHT to promote Mormonism on the taxpayer dime,and would this meet your approval? My answer is no. I agree. We have the right to ignore them. For you to be consistent you would have to say yes imo. You are wrong. You don't seem to understand the difference between individual citizens and government when it comes to Free Speech. One has it,one doesn't.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Very true,but Rand isn't running for President. Nor should he at this point. He's too inexperienced and has no legislative record to run on. I do have big hopes for him in the near future,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You mean again. You saw Reagan. Or at least his image on TV. You saw a great president and were to biased to realize it. The Reagan years were the best years of your life.
Reagan was a decent man. That idiot Jim-Mah Cawtur was a decent man,even if he was and is a poster child for ignorance on parade. I voted against McNasty and the Tundra trash as much as anything. McLunatic was and is more of a danger to the Republic than Barry Soetoro is in his wildest dreams. He had experience and favors owed to back him if he had been elected,plus he knew first-hand where a lot of the bodies in the US Senate were buried. You hate Palin because at that time she was still a conservative,and she was telling the truth about your idols of the left. She reminded you at a subliminal level how little support your political philosophy has amongst the typical American citizen,and you know in your heart that if the alleged Republican ticket had been upside down with her at the top that they would have beaten the Chocolate Messiah like a rented mule. And I can guarantee you that you have ZERO standing to call her trash while supporting evil bitches like Bubbette! Clinton,Mad Maxine Walters,Nancy Pelosi,and other Dim females. She has more character and a better mind than all of them combined,and it burns your ass. The annoyance of the shrillness of the attacks during the election had more to do with my choice then you will ever know. What are you complaining about? The man you voted for stated in public that he hated America and white people,was a product of Affirmative Action that never ONCE accomplished anything based on merit or hard work,and didn't even consider himself to be an American. He identified himself as a African,right up to the point where he won the Dim primary. Anybody that DIDN'T complain about that asshole and the moral bankruptcy of the Dim Party either has no mind or no conscience. Maybe even neither. The only one I put money on in terms of donations was Dr. no during the primary season. Yet in the end you voted for the one candidate that was and is diametrically opposed to everything Ron Paul has ever said or stood for. This is what you have in common with the Party Animals that voted for McLunatic because he had a R behind his name. Political stances are nothing,and having the "right" union label behind your name is what is important when push comes to shove and you enter the voting booth. I would say right now, the attacks on his wife and daughters bother me far more than the least petty ones directed at President Obama. His wife is a more masculine version of him,making her a evil bitch. Another America hater,and another product of Affirmative Action. Calling her a Wookie is insulting to Wookies. I agree that his daughters are off-limits,and anybody that has gone after them should be ashamed of themselves. They are nothing but children,and are not responsible for the sins of their parents. After all,they ain't like Chelsea "Howdy Doody" Clinton,and sitting in on international political discussions with world leaders to give them her alleged wisdom. They are just little girls running around and being little girls. There can be no doubt that they are going to be prime candidates for criticism 10 years from now,though. Like their mother and Chelsea Clinton,they will graduate from college and immediately get hired at 6 figure salaries for no-show jobs. That's how political payoffs are done. To be honest,this won't really be their faults,though. This is the atmosphere they have been raised in,and they don't and won't know any better. The process needs more comity to it. For example; the birfer game and the insult concerning his step dad's name is a yawn to me. Uh,huh. But it is ok to call Palin Tundra Trash,right? Not to mention spread lies about her retarded son being Bristol's son,her having affairs,etc,etc,etc? I'm sure had I risen to the level of Senator then POTUS, people hating me would be calling me Mike Bond instead of Mike McCarthy. I'm sure they would have if you had legally had your name changed to Mike Bond,and never had it legally changed back to Mike McCarthy. Which is what Barry Soetoro has done and refuses to explain how he could have had a passport with the Soetoro name on it as an adult,and then suddenly appear on the political scene in the US as Barry Obama with no documents explaining the name change. So I just feel sympathy for the bastard when I read your signature with a name in it that is not his. Crocodile tears. Soetoro IS his last known legal name.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Hardly. Murron nailed it- and you- with cold hard facts. You ARE a traitor, rat-boy. There is no other word which so concisely describes your true nature. I'm quite certain that Benedict Arnold made similar claims. I see nothing amusing in being accurately described as the traitor you are. You claim to have "served honerably," [sic] yet you demonstrate the utter absence of honor. When you strip away the clothes, toys, money or power, all a man has that is all his own, is his honor. Had you any honor, you'd already know that, but your lack of it, requires me to spell this fact out. Honor is doing the right thing, even when you think nobody else is watching. Honor is being able to look at yourself in the mirror, and be satisfied with what you see. Let me give you an example: Around 1999, I was working in Silicon Valley. Coming back from a Reno trip, I was sitting at a stop-light at around 10:30 at night, in the rain. The car diagonally back on my right- an mid-80's Camaro- had an explosion in the engine compartment- the hood was bulged upward, flames shooting out... I put my car in park, hit the flashers... I opened the doors, pulled out both parents, and dug the three kids out of the back seat, while the fire was consuming the front half of the car... The entire family was dazed, but except for breathing some smoke, they were ok. About two weeks later, one of my clients mentioned seeing me, during the fire. He drove by, didn't slow down. In fact, everybody drove by, and nobody stopped to help. My wife happened to be there, when the client mentioned it- and she was very surprised that I'd not mentioned it... I told her it wasn't something to brag about, it just happened. My wife said I was the most Christian man she knew. (I still don't know exactly what that meant, but ok.) And she expressed contempt for my client- because he saw what was going on, didn't stop to help, and displayed no honor. In your case, rat-boy, you wear your meager accomplishments- a reject helicopter mechanic among them- as demonstrations of your honor. The fact is, you pass these off as your badges of courage (or 'honer'), and you feel the need for people to notice them, because your words and your actions demonstrate you have none. At the end of the day, you're a coward, as most traitors are. You are too weak to have a moral center, so you cloak your weakness in a veil of righteous indignation for the various liberal agendas, to hide that cowardice. Oh, you pretend to stand for various causes, you pretend to be an upstanding citizen... But you're just another leftist loser, a traitor, and a parasite. It's interesting to note that you're a loser, even when compared to the relatively shabby standards of the left. BTW, I noticed you changed from the "gimme" picture, after I pointed out that your indignation with billionaires getting a sweet-heart deal is based on jealousy (that YOU couldn't be such a successful parasite).
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- You saw a great president and were to biased to realize it. The Reagan years were the best years of your life. Lots of people, lost lots of money in S and Ls that was not insured during the Reagan regime. I knew two who lost their entire retirement savings. One lost over 150,000 which was quite a lot of money in the eighties.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
That happened during Bush if I recall. Regardless it wasn't Reagans fault for the Saving and loans. It was the Saving and loans problem. Just like it isnt Obamas fault that he inherited a huge debt. It is Obamas fault for his debt and how he screwed it up and made it even worse.
That is why I despise all of you. Now go have your fun in a protest, demonstrating your opinion while I continue to pander my political interests in DC.
Just like it isnt Obamas fault that he inherited a huge debt. It is Obamas fault for his debt and how he screwed it up and made it even worse. Then your recall is faulty. You really need to bone up a little more on the Reagan years. The huge debt that Carter added to and passed down to him was initially incurred under Nixon Did you know that the concept of Cap and Trade was also created and implemented during his regime? He said it was quite successful. And of course let's not forget the largest amnesty in my lifetime.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Actually, people who bark at others on the Internet like a nuetered dog chained to the porch with that level of ignorant you show here don't even make a mark on my radar. Geez Louise, Sherlock, you better go consult with Watson; I believe you've lost the thread to you your sanity. ;-D
Actually, you are wrong. I found her antics concerning the race amusing, pointless and relatively harmless except to the people who's pockets she picked dialing for dollars whereever, whenever and however she could do so. I am an environmentalist. The second she ordered that wolf kill by aircraft in Alaska she became my enemy. Considering his skin tone is within the normal range of some of the darker Euroethnic folks out there including me, I would say I'm surprised so many people went for white chocolate, as that brand of candy convection is considered the least popular among the general public. This is some expansive rhetoric. I wouldn't use shch a broad brush as you concerning Affirmative Action. The results have had a mixed result. But it is nowhere near as bad where it was less than successful as the racism and the exclusion created by it was in the century or bfore the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s. I also have never forgotten it was never meant to be set in stone. If it has no purpose anymore, it should be ended. As for the alligation President Obama hated White folks, that is a stretch considering half his liniage is White. I never heard him say he hated Caucasians, and I never heard him claim to be African; only that he has African heritage because of the country of origin of his Dad. This is what you have in common with the Party Animals that voted for McLunatic because he had a R behind his name." And I used to like LBJ who was the traitorous bastard who was part of the conspiracy to murder JFK. Where President Obama stands in relation to Ron paul's political paradigm was not a consideration when I voted. As I said, I primarily voted against the Republican ticket. As for the 'D' behind his name, I don't have one on my voter's card. I am a Pacific Green. I gave up being a Precinct committee person slot and other earned standing when I jettisoned that party from my registration. Being Democrat does not get a get out of jail free card from me because they are of that party. All smoke and mirrors. As far as I'm concerned, I have not only not seen this sort of documentation, I don't particularly care about issues invloving someone using their birth name, or even the name they prefer to use. I see that as a tempest in a teapot, much as any grumpling about how evil michelle Obama is. She is not an elected official and she is a very smart and compassionate woman who has done much in her private career. I like her more then Barack. In any event, being a beautiful woman with smarts would make me happy to have a date with her were she single. ;-)
Sure thing Buck, drive on, bud.
Yet,the beginning of it was legislation passed and signed into law during the LBJ years. The whole "Big Society" thing. Guess what? Somebody has to pay for all the "free stuff". Not to mention paying for VN. Of course,Nixon did his own piling on by creating the EPA.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Democrats blame Republicans for debt. When the fact is their unconstitutional programs are what are bankrupting us. We are still paying for assholes like FDR and Johnson.
Yeah,because wolves are so enviro-friendly,right? Considering his skin tone is within the normal range of some of the darker Euroethnic folks out there including me,... Ruh,ROH! You're in trouble now! I'm going to email the off-White House and tell Barry you said he looks like a honkie. I wouldn't use shch a broad brush as you concerning Affirmative Action. That's because you are a leftist,and criticizing AA for you would be like a priest criticizing the Bible. The results have had a mixed result. But it is nowhere near as bad where it was less than successful as the racism and the exclusion created by it was in the century or bfore the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s. HorseHillary! What next? Are you going to repeat the lie that blacks weren't allowed to vote before the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964 was passed? As for the alligation President Obama hated White folks, that is a stretch considering half his liniage is White. Yeah,that's why he was always talking about his white mother and his honkie grandparents that raised him,instead of the African alleged "father" that never gave them a dime or helped him in any way. I never heard him say he hated Caucasians, and I never heard him claim to be African; Then you never listened,never read his books,and never read the original web page of the church he went to for over 20 years without hearing a word his Rev-Rund spoke. As for the 'D' behind his name, I don't have one on my voter's card. It doesn't matter because you still vote "D" in order to make sure nobody with a "R" behind their name holds office. only that he has African heritage because of the country of origin of his Dad. His alleged father. His actual father was Frank Marshall Davis. All smoke and mirrors. As far as I'm concerned, I have not only not seen this sort of documentation, I don't particularly care about issues invloving someone using their birth name, or even the name they prefer to use. Yup,you know it's all smoke and mirrors,yet you claim to have never seen or even care about the truth. You obviously don't even care if a president is a US citizen or not,or even if he is elected under a alias. I take that back. You would be screaming to the heavens if he had a R behind his name. She is not an elected official Yet she spends millions of taxpayer dollars to go on dates and shopping trips with her friends and relatives. and she is a very smart and compassionate woman ROFLMAO! This is the woman with the 6 figure no-show job that publicly stated she was ashamed of America until her husband got elected president. who has done much in her private career. Really? Name one thing. As far as that goes,name one court case she won as a lawyer. In any event, being a beautiful woman with smarts would make me happy to have a date with her were she single. ;-) She would never date you. You are a honkie.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I'm not seeing any font problems. Can you point it out?
It seemed like the bottom font was slighty bigger then the top. I don't see it now. I'll point it out if I see it again.
Great post. AND entertaining.
She would never date you. You are a honkie. LMAO! Sheeet....Was Mike actually referring to Bigfoot??
Thanks.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yup,and I do agree with him that she is attractive if you are only looking at her face. I won't go so far as to say beautiful like he said,but she is attractive. Or would be if you didn't know who she is or anything about her. Ever notice how some women are beautiful when you first meet them,but then start to get uglier and uglier every day?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
666 voted for the antichrist
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Sounds as subjestive as your views of his wife. I've been married to a African American woman and we have a grown son and two grand daughters. So, you go for your desired sort of woman, and I'll prefer mine. As for anything more on the topic, you know how I feel about family as targets, so end of discussion on her. It would be in poor taste to respond to your display in poor taste in comments about her.
Sounds as subjestive as your views of his wife. Where have I ever said anything about Ron Paul's wife? I don't even know if he has one. I've been married to a African American woman and we have a grown son and two grand daughters. I knew you had been married to a black woman and had at least one kid. I didn't know about the grandchildren. Do they call you Gramps Kracker?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That was uncalled for petey. You know better than that.
What was,the Gramps Kracker thing? How do you think the singer Uncle Kracker got his name?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
If you were married to her first. You are still married to her.
One more example of your overt cowardice. You don't address the point, simply because to do so, would force you to face your regrettable lack of substance. My point- that you are a coward- not only stands, but is confirmed by your actions. DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- So you condone the murdering of wives.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Another Asperger symptom, which is why most of you guys end up on the mail order websites.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
"If you were married to her first. You are still married to her." "So you condone the murdering of wives." In your case I could understand stoning... It's Biblical. It refers to abandoning (divorce) one spouce and taking another while they are still alive.
It's Biblical. It refers to abandoning (divorce) one spouce and taking another while they are still alive. Old useless handicapped women would take precedence.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Is this a hillbilly combination of spouse and souse? Both would apply to you, wouldn't they dear?
Awwww! You lefties are ugly when you are being petty,mean-spirited,and hypocritical. Which is pretty much all the time. Where's the love? I bet you go around with a clenched jaw and a expression on your face that looks like you are smelling a turd mustache.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Awwww! You lefties are ugly when you are being petty,mean-spirited,and hypocritical. Which is pretty much all the time. Where's the love? I bet you go around with a clenched jaw and a expression on your face that looks like you are smelling a turd mustache. I must have hit a nerve. You betcha!
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
In that case, Ming, you should be at the head of the line.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- How would you know? Unless you are a stalker. But you need not worry, as I haven't had to resort to putting my picture up on Russian mail order bride websites, so you are safe.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
"Old useless handicapped women would take precedence." "In that case, Ming, you should be at the head of the line." LMAO! Someone told her 'don't grow up, it's a trap', and she believed them.
Even if you did, being old and useless won't get you a lot of interest. Which of course, is why you're so bitter, already. But don't feel *too* bad, Ming... Useless is a typical leftist trait, so you have plenty of company.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- LOL Do you ALWAYS have to call in your posting buddies when you are getting slapped?
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Which of course, is why you're so bitter, already. But don't feel *too* bad, Ming... Useless is a typical leftist trait, so you have plenty of company. Stop confusing your Russian wife with someone else who doesn't give a shit.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Let's see... my wife speaks three languages, is highly educated, a good mother, an excellent manager, is street-savvy, understands economics, is tough as nails (when needs be)... and this is all wrapped in a very attractive package. What makes you think I'd EVER mistake her for YOU? LMAO.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- You seem obsessed with Russian women. Your former husband kick you to the curb for one? Don't blame the Russian women. If they hadn't be available he would have probably exchanged you for a blow-up doll.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Actually, I see you have serious mental health issues thus I feel sorry for you. Your insults and attempt to take emotional hostages is a game I've seen many times. It does not affect or impress me. I wish you the best and hope you recover from your affliction.
With no evidence to back up your claims, such pronouncements are meaningless. My observations of your erratic behavior, you incapability to acknowledge reality and your willful ignorance, are not insults. They're merely observations, and extrapolated conclusions, based on logic. Whether those observations and reasonable conclusions- I'm quite certain- don't affect you. You prefer delusions to reality. Reality itself does not affect or impress you. You're a sick individual. Your posts demonstrate this fact daily. Trying to label me with the affliction that you suffer, is straight out of the Rules for Radicals, as well as the natural defense of delusional people. LOL
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- LMAO! Talk about b!tch-slapping Ming... Too funny.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- Weasel gurl and the rest of the gibbering herds of libTURDS that infest this nation are ALL AMERICAN'S enemies. You don't "share" or "parley" with them. You DESTROY them in any and all ways that you can, (politically speaking of course). For AMERICA, and OUR ancestors and OUR children. "Come on you libTURD commie scum, come on NOW and git SOME!" F em ALL. WE ain't going NOWHERE. KMA
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Whan all your posts are cold, angry, heartless collections of invective and insults you get what you pay for Erica. I am always ready to agree to disagree and respect opposing viewpoints. But you, you sound like you went through the Waffen S.S. school for charm and public relations techniques. You never come across sounding like a human being. I can do without a Borg Queen obsession to assimulate or destroy, or a Hannibal Lector appetite for looking as those disagreed with as fit only for the meat department. I am glad I am not you, but have a nice rest of the afternoon anyway. ;-)
Hey Steve. Nolu Chan has ripped you apart better than I could ever do in some ways. And I just want you to know how much I enjoy seeing you squirm in pain ans drunken embarrassment. ;-D
You don't "share" or "parley" with them. You DESTROY them in any and all ways that you can, (politically speaking of course). For AMERICA, and OUR ancestors and OUR children. "Come on you libTURD commie scum, come on NOW and git SOME!" F em ALL. WE ain't going NOWHERE. KMA Liberalism is a feel good idealogy, but after awhile, most, if they are smart enough, after the effects wear off, realize they were sleeping with a cheap prostitute, infested with an incurable desease, who covertly picked their pockets, robbed them blind, and stole their childrens future dreams, leaving them with nothing but hopelessness, endless debt, poverty, and perpetual wars. Liberalism is a seducer of the mind and soul, it leaves one intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, and infected with a life long hatred of tradition, morals and values. The Liberal or Progressive ideology is definitely a feel good political philosophy. There will be some (so-called) conservative candidates who will shamlessly court and sleep with these Liberal whores, scamming for their votes, watch for them. They are deceptive, perfectly, and diabolically willing and able to take all of us down with them, if we allow it. JMHO~ Murron
Were you intellectually honest, then I might agree with you. However, your mode of operation is consistently intellectually dishonest. In other words, you LIE. You attempt to manipulate the meaning of words to be the exact opposite of reality. This isn't a new technique- Richard Weaver stated it best: I do not allow the lies to stand. I will challenge you, expose you for your lies. I have no respect for liars and cheats; you're no different. I see no reason to soothe your meager feelings; I say it like it IS. If being honest is so repugnant to you, why did you choose to tuck your tail between your legs, and come crawling back to this forum?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- And you only bark bark bark bark on the Internet, because to you, it's a cheap way to get your tiny rocks off. As for 'crawling back to the forum,' I neither asked Stone to ban or reinstate me. To me the account is what it is. If it's on I'll use it, if it's off, I go to the KOS, DU, 4UM, or any one of the other forums I post on. I have my arguments with Stone and we piss each other off quite well time to time, but I actually like the guy on the personal level and I do believe he feels much the same way. We knew each other well before he started this place up, and I work to add to it, not detract. You get back from me what you give. I have been an 'in your fucking face' protestor who works well in a group or by myself. I have been in the paper and TV locally enough when I have done my thing I am always dealing with more people who know me then I know. Which was the main consideration when I first identified myself as by my real name back in the late 1990s when I was a major thorn in some people's side. I have a degree of course and am doing school online, and am usually up before dawn reading, writing or talking to someone online elsewhere in the country that is far enough east their day is well underway. I don't care if you like me, and I am never intimidated nor rattled by you. I have dealt with far worse than you right up eyeball to eyeball. And I am talking about people who dislike me far worse than you do. I am taking a day off right now from Occupy Eugene as we have had a stressful but fairly productive week. We are going into the active cycle of some pretty intense election and environmental action work this up coming year. So, enjoy my august presence here while you can. Because most of what I do in regards to the expression of political efficacy is real time work. To me, the forum stuff is entertainment; more of a shadow boxing workout compared to the real life event ring.
Liberalism is a seducer of the mind and soul, it leaves one intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, and infected with a life long hatred of tradition, morals and values. The Liberal or Progressive ideology is definitely a feel good political philosophy. There will be some (so-called) conservative candidates who will shamlessly court and sleep with these Liberal whores, scamming for their votes, watch for them. They are deceptive, perfectly, and diabolically willing and able to take all of us down with them, if we allow it. Liberalism is full of great sounding ideas such as inclusion, acceptance, dignity, equality, social justice, human rights, and diversity. It seduces the naive and the idealist with its promise of compassion and tolerance. Who doesn't want peace, harmony and justice? Who doesn't want to feed the hungry and house the homeless? Such simple sentiments stir the hearts of the masses. It is a slippery slope philosophy that sucks one in with statements that are hard to disagree with but the Utopian dreams lead to social engineering, the nanny state and the abandonment of common sense. Its taint touches every issue. It begins with calls for responsible pet ownership but soon leads to an animal bill of rights, pet guardianship and the picketing of KFC. Legitimate condemnation of brutal attacks based on hatred leads to homosexual high schools, same sex marriage, and gays in the military. Sympathy for the plight of migrant workers somehow compels us to accept and support the millions of illegal immigrants filling our schools, hospitals and prisons and the accompanying multi-billion dollar tax burden. The call for celebration of other cultures is revealed to be a mere mask fueling the fires of racial and class divisions. This dismantling of Western civilization continues unabated under the guise and tutelage of smiling bureaucrats. Far too many people inclined to the conservative cause have been lured into compromise and eventual abandonment of their creed by the sirens song. It is a trap too easily sprung upon the unwary, uneducated and even the occasional weary veteran of the culture wars. Overwhelming in its pervasiveness and unending in its preaching it is a difficult ideology to stand against. For those in politics or the public eye it becomes even more difficult. Principle is abandoned for practicality. Cooperation becomes compromise. Public relations become political correctness. And the path of least resistance leads to surrender. Even when one gets coy enough to pick and chose parts of a piece and change a few words, it is still easy to spot plagiarism my dear. http://floppingaces.net/2011/06/19/the-seductive-temptress-reader-post/ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2736922/posts
Plagiarism is a Mammy speciality.
Indeed. And ferreting stuff out is one of mine.
Rule of thumb, if it has ten to twenty-five dollar word to it, no misspelling in the cut and paste parts, and bad punctuation, it is one of her stolen pieces.
The lack of spelling errors gives her away every time. It's as if Mad Dog suddenly started posting coherent thoughts instead of drunken rages.
Quit plagiarizing stuff Mammy.
Not to mention there is now software that checks for plagiarism. The new environment of the online world interfaces with the that of the academic has prompted the development of such tools. To the deep consternation of students with as profound a lack of ethical integrity as a Kentucky Mammy.
And I just want you to know how much I enjoy seeing you squirm in pain ans drunken embarrassment. ;-D LOL! That's because you are a stupid piece of shit weasel gurl, and you actually know LESS about the US NAVY than that fraud bitch does weasel gurl. LMAO! But you remain as foul as usual don't you smegma breath? LOL! The only drunk around here is YOU loser. LMAO! I don't "squirm", you insecure whiny gibbering little libTURD bitch. LOL! The only people who don't make mistakes are the people like YOU weasel gurl, people who are NOT doing anything. The rest of us make mistakes weasel gurl. Then we admit them when we are made aware of them. Unlike little bitch punks such as YOU cornflake boy. LMAO!!!! When I make a mistake I own up to it. Pointing at you LMAO! But I'm not surprised that you like chan she's your kind of stoopid bitch cornflake boy. You are both stupid, foul, lying useless FRAUD turds BUMMER! LOL! (BUT just for YOU!) ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
You have to be a HYPOCRITCAL and deeply STUPID, and intellectually DISHONEST person to be a libTURD. Because you can't even admit to yourself what you know to be true. That the goal of ALL libTURDISM is just another kind of TYRANNY. "For the children/village/social "justice"/blah blah blah", of COURSE. Nudge NUDGE, wink WINK! IMO they are all EVIL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
LMAO! LOL! LMAO! LOL! LMAO!!!! LMAO! LOL! ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " Nice to see you so exceedingly euphoric Stevie old Dunsel. The Nitrous oxide and alcohol you must be mixing must not be mixing too well in the old brain housing group. ;-)
MD never fails to perform on cue. I feel like I should toss him a fish for his effort.
Steve would like that. He loves to fish and from what I've learned, he has worked on boats up there doing commercial fishing of various sorts. In fact, I'm sure that if you tested him, his skill as a master baiter are likely astounding enough to leave the audience's palms hairy.
LOL! Yet you don't have the balls to speak to me, just about me, to your butt buddy fellow libTURD sh!t eater you little ball less bitch. LOL! You are a weakling in every measurable metric of the word skippy poo poo. [ChUcKeLeS}
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
LOL! It really CRACKS me up that you libTURD b!tches NEED to TRY to claim that I'm "drunk" whenever I whip your Jethro goober asses like rented mules, (which is EVERY time, you little simpering libTURD weakling b!tches.) Want to tell us all about YOUR vast military service and experience poo poo boy? LOL! Tell your mommy to be ready, the MEU'S are returning from deployment and they'll be needing her services. The bus station will just have to wait eh poo poo? LMAO!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
LMAO!!!! Wanna TRY "english" you simpering little b!tch? LOL! Have another hit off of your crack pipe loser. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really are a worthless little c@nt weasel gurl. At least you'll always have your messiah "king" obammy's azzhole to lick eh TOOL? BTW cornflake boy, bring it ANY time. ANY. ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Mike do you support more taxes?
And you expect me to by that? It was YOU who said (paraphrasing here), "You're not gonna' allow me to spout my lies, so I'm LEAVING, and I won't be coming BACK! And now? "Oh, well, I didn't ask Stone to ban me, so it really doesn't count." You are SUCH a hypocrital loser. ANOTHER lie. You use intellectual dishonesty as a weapon, to push your agenda of socialism, plain and simple. Your agenda is to DESTROY everything that made this country great. You are a TRAITOR, and an ENEMY. Which means precisely dick. Another tidbit thrown out there, to bolster your meager ego. Feh. Treason is a JOB for you? Then please, enjoy your 30 pieces of silver... While you can. Now, let's get to the quote you pasted, to Murron... I find it ironic that you didn't bother to actually read the quote all the way through... because it describes you to a "T." Let's go through the list, and see if you fit the various symptoms of the sick and destructive liberal (socialist). Follow along, here: And there you have it! You're 100% TRAITOR! You depend on those of us who really understand what you're about, to simply give up and let you do what you want... Got NEWS for you, asshole: It AIN'T gonna' happen. What you socialists do once you have power, is well-documented. Mountains of skulls, and rivers of tears. THAT'S what your quest for power always causes, and you don't care. POWER is all that matters to you socialists. In fact, that choice has already been made. So you can claim that you've "have dealt with far worse than you right up eyeball to eyeball." If that's what it takes to be able to sleep at night, go ahead, knock yourself out by repeating that lie. You've no idea, the uncontrollable force you and your ilk are about to unleash on yourselves... Your piddley little "occupy bumfuk oregon" thread is a joke. When the laughing is over, and the REAL Americans start looking at you real hard, they're not gonna' shower you with "tolerance" or "compassion." They'll give you traitors EVERYTHING you deserve.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- Go back to your cell, canteen time is up.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
I mistakenly said that Erica attended the U of Phoenix. I was wrong. I should have said Glenn Beck University. The U of Phoenix does have some standards.
whassammatter, bimbo? feeling needy again?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- I'll take your word for it. What, you get rejected by UoP?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- Ozomba in the debates said ... deregulation is a failure --- affirmative final action is a winner !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Why? Are you still obsessing over the need to find out the ages and sex of my children?
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
HEAR HEAR! That is THE best descriptive characterization of ALL Commies and Leftists. This is also the reason to reject and be repulsed by these agenda-driven parasites, vampires, and weasels at forums like THIS, or where ever they infect our lives. GIVE THEM NO QUARTER. They must be starved. They simply are indeed our Enemy, and we are theirs. Why are we pretending otherwise? Under the so-called auspices of "tolerance"?
1. intellectually and spiritually bankrupt? YEP. Definitely. And there you have it! You're 100% TRAITOR! Outstanding!
liberals are cheats ... they're willing to play monopoly --- with parcheezy rules !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
And even if the Parcheezy rules don't help them "win," they'll make up other rules that do. They are forever re-inventing the word "tolerance", "racism," and "bigotry" that never seems to apply to *them*. Did you notice how in London the bogus "OWS" anarchists shut down a church - St. Paul's cathedral for the first time since WWII?
Got NEWS for you, asshole: It AIN'T gonna' happen. Treasonous, slimy, mean spirited, envious, small minded, shallow, cowardly, "Hate America FIRST!" hug a bunny NOW!, simpelton burnt out filth such as cornflake boy, and the rest of the steaming, and mewling, froth specked, crazed eyed jostling herds of slack jawed "useful idiots", who self identify as libTURDS btw; are the self declared ENEMIES of ALL AMERICANS, (even these AMERICAN libTURDS, remember, most of em are idiots afterall), and of AMERICA. SCREW the Hegelian Dialectic! I know what 99% of 100% is. MONEY talks and BULLSH!T WALKS. Time to FISH, or CUT BAIT. Right NOW. F' EM ALL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
#3. To: sneakypete (#1)
"At this point in history the fight shouldn't be between the right and the left. It should be between the citizens and those who would be our masters and destroy our culture for personal profits."
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my enemies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#6. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#4)
(Edited)
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
"I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party."
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
I look at Alabama where the draconian new law has created a severe labor shortage that is forcing farmers to plow under their crops and plan for smaller harvests next year. They have been unsucessful at the task of getting American citizens to do the hard work with low pay to get in the crops.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Globalists vs Nationalists.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
I want them here keepng costs down.
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
They are enticed here by people wanting the low cost labor
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
Otherwise you create an senario where the one percenters with most the capital have a situation that acts as a crowbar prying people apart getting them to fight among themselves forgetting who the real problem is in creating and perpetuating bad economic times.
#14. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
I've noticed how the Masters are pitting the OWS crowd vs the Tea Party. How convenient.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
You can't fight side by side with people against a common foe
#16. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#13)
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#17)
We had prayer in every class during my high school years.
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
We had slaves brought in from Africa to work for very little to keep costs down on Southern farms which for better or worse, helped this country prosper and grow. And now we have Latinos and Latinas willing to do the same for very little pay, we persecute and bedevil them for this. I want them here keepng costs down.
#21. To: sneakypete (#20)
Not unless they are here legally
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
(Edited)
Guess what? There ain't no such creature as the "family farm" anymore
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
They are inticed here by people wanting the low cost labor wevery bit as much as they decide to come. Yet, many on the right only pick on them, because it's dangerous to pick on well moneied and connected people doing the labor recruitment.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Anti-illegal immigration bill stokes backlash in Alabama fields
#25. To: Murron (#23)
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
#27. To: Murron (#23)
"...and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you."
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
"He is a slaver."
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
(Edited)
"Mammy, that's a funny post, especially with the pic. Thanks."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#33. To: sneakypete (#20)
"I don't. Not unless they are here legally,and here because they want to live free,not here to make money to send to Mexico or to turn American into Mexico."
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'd just love to Slap You Stupid, but someone has beat me to it, you and your kind who'd give the last bite of food out of the mouths of your own family, and give it away to squatters that take everything that's not nailed down, in a country they don't even belong in.
#35. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#10)
We have different cultures and values.
#36. To: All, A K A Stone, Sneakypete (#33)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#16)
"Ferret is going to vote to reelect him. You probably too."
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#13)
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
#40. To: A K A Stone (#18)
"You've demonized the tea party from the beginning."
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#15)
The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves.
#43. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#39)
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#17)
We even said them on the bus ride to sporting events. We often lost.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#19)
Was America better back then or now when we don't have it?
#46. To: A K A Stone (#21)
We need to stop legal immigration too. At least for a generation or two.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#41)
"Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?"
#48. To: sneakypete (#39)
HorseHillary! First off,prayer is not banned and has never been banned in school. OFFICIAL PUBLIC prayer in PUBLIC schools has been banned,as it should. If you don't agree with me,move your ass to a Muslim neighborhood in Detroit,and send your kids to a public school in that neighborhood and then get back with me on how thrilled you are to have your kids forced to pray to Mohammed and Allah.
#49. To: sneakypete (#20)
When you destroy the American middle-class,you have destroyed America. WE are the people that made it work,not the bankers or the lawyers.
The evidence of that hatred is seen in a nations history as the Laws start to explode in numeric to the point of rebellion.
Thats why the Spartans could pull off a Thermopylae against tens of thousands.
yet the reality is evidence of mental bondage and dysfunction ...on a scale now,when we factor in organized Religion which is staggering.
Their minds system restore/reset .....back to the factory program
They are incapable of original thought and inspiration/imagination.
People who agree with the Gov that the water that falls on your land from the sky above,....is not yours to use.
so ya...its not just a few fooked up people we have to navigate around this life,
its Billions!
#50. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Yes there is. My Uncle has one. (But I understand your point that there aren't many.
#51. To: sneakypete (#46)
#52. To: sneakypete (#45)
I'm in my 60's,and grew up and went to school in Virginia. Despite it being heavily infested with fundie thumpers,I don't remember EVER praying to God in school as a child. That was reserved for church and home.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#15)
"The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves."
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
People are not black and white. Some conservatives believe in things many liberals hold true, and this works the other way around.
#55. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
"That's just the kind of stuff you come across. Somebody who really wants a good job and is prepared to work hard and honest for it isn't going to come up here for four months in the year.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#48)
"I had my kids in private school for years. But the price went up to much for me to afford anymore. It sucks."
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S.
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
#59. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#41)
Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?
#60. To: pinguinite (#58)
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
I didn't give President Obama any donations last election, and I wrote in someone in the primary. That is not the behavior of someone who allegedly sees this guy as a savior of some sort.
#62. To: sneakypete (#55)
"Maybe you should try paying them more? Whining about the workers that earn 5,000 a year being forced to leave ain't no way to get me on your side."
#63. To: sneakypete (#59)
Will you take the "I will not vote for Romney or Perry no matter what!" pledge?
#64. To: sneakypete (#61)
(Edited)
"No,but the fact that you somehow "overlooked" making the statement that you didn't vote for him in the general election speaks louder than all your protests."
#65. To: A K A Stone (#63)
"No. I despise Obama to much."
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
"Agree with me or you are fucking scum."
#67. To: A K A Stone (#48)
I think it should be like in Germany. You choose where your kid goes to school. The money follows the student.
#68. To: sneakypete (#67)
If you are a trouble-making gangsta or a retard,they should legally be able to deny you admission. Schools should be allowed to focus their time,attention,and money on the children that are there to learn,not the ones who are there to make trouble.
#69. To: Parrot with speed dial (#49)
The system hates that people can dream and be independent.
#70. To: sneakypete (#67)
don't think you can or should try to force people to be christians. You are or you aren't.
#71. To: A K A Stone (#66)
"If you think rape is ok then I disagree with you and think you are scum."
#72. To: sneakypete (#67)
Freedom of religion doesn't mean muslims. It means baptist, Presbyterian etc. Different christian sects.
#73. To: A K A Stone (#51)
I've got Buchanans new book. Haven't read to far into it yet. But I'm liking it. If only he was listened to back in 92. I think he would have been a good President.
#74. To: A K A Stone (#52)
But if someone wants to say something they should be allowed to.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#63)
Out of the candidates to choose from. Here are my top 3.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
With respect, my vote for President Obama in 2008 is a matter of record.
#77. To: A K A Stone (#70)
I used the word "force" not "persuade".
#78. To: A K A Stone (#72)
I was pulling your chain a bit with that one.
#79. To: sneakypete (#74)
screaming at you about you going to hell,it becomes harassment if they don't stop. Free Speech does NOT include the right to harass people
#80. To: sneakypete (#75)
he has all the personal charisma of a corpse.
#81. To: sneakypete (#76)
com·i·ty/Èkämit/ Noun: 1.Courtesy and considerate behavior toward others. 2.An association of nations for their mutual benefit.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#79)
I disagree. Here is why.
#83. To: A K A Stone (#80)
Rand is more charismatic.
#84. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
I reached the conclusion a long time ago I'd never see a decent POTUS in my lifetime.
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
I reached the conclusion a long time ago I'd never see a decent POTUS in my lifetime.
#86. To: Ferret Mike, Murron, A K A STONE, JWPEGLER, Liberator, Mad Dog (#27)
Murron: "...and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you."
Rat-boy: Meaningless tripe Not only have I worked quite hard most my life, I am a combat vet who served honerably.
Your words are amusing at best, and have standing only as fiction at best, slander at worse. ;-)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#87. To: A K A Stone (#84)
You mean again. You saw Reagan. Or at least his image on TV.
#88. To: mininggold (#87)
#89. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Right wing people are not my ememies in this struggle; they are my brothers and sisters in this battle.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#88)
That happened during Bush if I recall. Regardless it wasn't Reagans fault for the Saving and loans. It was the Saving and loans problem.
#91. To: Capitalist Eric, Murron (#86)
"At the end of the day, you're a coward, as most traitors are."
#92. To: sneakypete (#85)
"You hate Palin because at that time she was still a conservative,and she was telling the truth about your idols of the left."
"...would have beaten the Chocolate Messiah like a rented mule."
"The man you voted for stated in public that he hated America and white people,was a product of Affirmative Action that never ONCE accomplished anything based on merit or hard work,and didn't even consider himself to be an American. He identified himself as a African,right up to the point where he won the Dim primary."
" Yet in the end you voted for the one candidate that was and is diametrically opposed to everything Ron Paul has ever said or stood for.
"Which is what Barry Soetoro has done and refuses to explain how he could have had a passport with the Soetoro name on it as an adult,and then suddenly appear on the political scene in the US as Barry Obama with no documents explaining the name change."
#93. To: buckeroo (#89)
"That is why I despise all of you. Now go have your fun in a protest, demonstrating your opinion while I continue to pander my political interests in DC."
#94. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#90)
The huge debt that Carter added to and passed down to him was initially incurred under Nixon
#95. To: sneakypete, war (#94)
#96. To: Ferret Mike (#92)
I am an environmentalist. The second she ordered that wolf kill by aircraft in Alaska she became my enemy.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#60)
#98. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#97)
#99. To: Pinguinite (#97)
#100. To: sneakypete (#96)
#101. To: sneakypete (#96)
("In any event, being a beautiful woman with smarts would make me happy to have a date with her were she single. ;-)")
#102. To: Liberator (#100)
#103. To: Liberator (#101)
Sheeet....Was Mike actually referring to Bigfoot??
#104. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
my vote for President Obama
#105. To: sneakypete (#75)
"He ain't going to win,though. No matter that he is more right on the important issues than the other candidates,he has all the personal charisma of a corpse."
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#105)
"He ain't going to win,though. No matter that he is more right on the important issues than the other candidates,he has all the personal charisma of a corpse."
#107. To: sneakypete (#106)
#108. To: Fred Mertz (#107)
That was uncalled for petey. You know better than that.
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#105)
I've been married to a African American woman and we have a grown son and two grand daughters.
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#91)
Actually, people who bark at others on the Internet like a nuetered dog chained to the porch with that level of ignorant [sic] you show here don't even make a mark on my radar.
Check-mate.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#111. To: A K A Stone (#109)
If you were married to her first. You are still married to her.
#112. To: sneakypete (#103)
Ever notice how some women are beautiful when you first meet them,but then start to get uglier and uglier every day?
#113. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#111)
#114. To: Murron (#113)
In your case I could understand stoning...
#115. To: Murron (#113)
It refers to abandoning (divorce) one spouce
#116. To: mininggold (#112)
Another Asperger symptom, which is why most of you guys end up on the mail order websites.
#117. To: sneakypete (#116)
"Another Asperger symptom, which is why most of you guys end up on the mail order websites."
#118. To: mininggold, murron (#114)
Old useless handicapped women would take precedence.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#119. To: Capitalist Eric (#118)
(Edited)
In that case, Ming, you should be at the head of the line.
#120. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#118)
#121. To: mininggold (#119)
I haven't had to resort to putting my picture up on Russian mail order bride websites
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#122. To: Murron (#120)
(Edited)
LMAO! Someone told her 'don't grow up, it's a trap', and she believed them.
#123. To: Capitalist Eric (#121)
(Edited)
Even if you did, being old and useless won't get you a lot of interest.
#124. To: mininggold (#123)
Stop confusing your Russian wife with someone else who doesn't give a shit.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#125. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
#126. To: mininggold (#119)
I haven't had to resort to putting my picture up on Russian mail order bride websites, so you are safe.
#127. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
"You don't address the point, simply because to do so, would force you to face your regrettable lack of substance."
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
Actually, I see you have serious mental health issues thus I feel sorry for you.
Your insults and attempt to take emotional hostages is a game I've seen many times. It does not affect or impress me.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#129. To: sneakypete (#126)
You seem obsessed with Russian women. Your former husband kick you to the curb for one? Don't blame the Russian women. If they hadn't be available he would have probably exchanged you for a blow-up doll.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#130. To: Capitalist Eric, Murron, A K A STONE, JWPEGLER, Liberator (#86)
#131. To: Capitalist Eric (#128)
"With no evidence to back up your claims, such pronouncements are meaningless."
#132. To: Mad Dog, noly chan (#130)
#133. To: Mad Dog (#130)
Weasel gurl and the rest of the gibbering herds of libTURDS that infest this nation are ALL AMERICAN'S enemies.
#134. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
I am always ready to agree to disagree and respect opposing viewpoints.
“It has been agreed that ‘sweet’ stands for one kind of sensory response, and ‘sour’ for a very different one, and nobody can singly on his own volition switch these two around, anymore than he could tell the clerk in a store that in his lexicon five is more than ten that therefore he ought to have change for his five dollar bill when he made a ten dollar purchase.” (Weaver, The Stategy of Words, 1962)
But you, you sound like you went through the Waffen S.S. school for charm and public relations techniques.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#135. To: Capitalist Eric (#134)
#136. To: Murron (#133)
(Edited)
Liberalism is a feel good idealogy, but after awhile, most, if they are smart enough, after the effects wear off, realize they were sleeping with a cheap prostitute, infested with an incurable desease, who covertly picked their pockets, robbed them blind, and stole their childrens future dreams, leaving them with nothing but hopelessness, endless debt, poverty, and perpetual wars.
The modern political persuasion called Liberalism can be compared to a beautiful, seductive temptress. Alluring and destined to feel good for a while but after a fling with this wily ideology one is left realizing that the intoxicating goddess was more like a cheap prostitute. This seducer of the mind and soul leaves one intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, and infected with a life long hatred of tradition, morals and values. The Liberal or Progressive ideology is definitely a feel good political philosophy. As the Bible so wisely warns us to resist the temptations of the flesh so must we resist the emotional temptation and seduction of modern Liberalism.
#137. To: Ferret Mike (#136)
#138. To: Skip Intro (#137)
#139. To: Skip Intro (#137)
(Edited)
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#139)
#141. To: Murron (#133)
#142. To: Skip Intro (#140)
"The lack of spelling errors gives her away every time. It's as if Mad Dog suddenly started posting coherent thoughts instead of drunken rages."
#143. To: Ferret Gurl, fat old senile wannabe kubber WOG FRAUD, nolu no really I'm a lifer chan (#132)
Hey Steve. Nolu Chan has ripped you apart better than I could ever do in some ways.
#144. To: Murron (#133)
#145. To: Mad Dog (#143)
"LOL!
#146. To: Ferret Mike (#145)
(Edited)
#147. To: Skip Intro (#146)
"MD never fails to perform on cue. I feel like I should toss him a fish for his effort."
#148. To: Skippy poo poo drive up window commando Intro (#146)
#149. To: Skippy poo poo drive up window commando Intro (#140)
#150. To: weasel gurl cornflake boy Ferret Mike (#145)
#151. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#152. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Murron, Mad Dog, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#135)
As for 'crawling back to the forum,' I neither asked Stone to ban or reinstate me. To me the account is what it is. If it's on I'll use it, if it's off, I go to the KOS, DU, 4UM, or any one of the other forums I post on.
We knew each other well before he started this place up, and I work to add to it, not detract.
I don't care if you like me, and I am never intimidated nor rattled by you. I have dealt with far worse than you right up eyeball to eyeball.
most of what I do in regards to the expression of political efficacy is real time work.
1. intellectually and spiritually bankrupt? YEP. Definitely.
2. infected with a ...hatred of tradition, morals and values? YEP.
3. deceptive, perfectly, and diabolically willing and able to take all of us down with them? YEP. Check.
4. [Pushing for] animal bill of rights, pet guardianship and the picketing of KFC? YEP.
5. support the millions of illegal immigrants filling our schools, hospitals and prisons and the accompanying multi-billion dollar tax burden? Most definitely.
6. The call for celebration of other cultures is revealed to be a mere mask fueling the fires of racial and class divisions. SURE! (That was an easy one.)
7. [Pushing for the] dismantling of Western civilization? Of COURSE!
8. pervasiveness and unending in its preaching [of the agenda of dismantling Western Civilization]? Sure! (Another easy one.)
9. Principle is abandoned for practicality? Absolutely. You have no principles, being the traitor you ARE.
10. Cooperation becomes compromise. Public relations become political correctness. And the path of least resistance leads to surrender? YEAH, that's EXACTLY what you want. If When Americans fully understand the choice, and are forced to decide whether to sacrifice our lives or yours- that is, to live under a socialist boot or destroy the thug wearing the boot- we will choose the latter.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#153. To: Capitalist Eric (#152)
...........Blah blah blah.............
#154. To: mininggold, Crazy Eric (#153)
Go back to your cell, canteen time is up.
#155. To: mininggold (#153)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#156. To: Skip Intro (#154)
The U of Phoenix does have some standards.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#158. To: Capitalist Eric (#155)
whassammatter, bimbo? feeling needy again?
#159. To: Capitalist Eric (#152)
You use intellectual dishonesty as a weapon, to push your agenda of socialism, plain and simple. Your agenda is to DESTROY everything that made this country great. You are a TRAITOR, and an ENEMY.
#160. To: Capitalist Eric, LF (#152)
Let's go through the list, and see if you fit the various symptoms of the sick and destructive liberal (socialist). Follow along, here:
2. infected with a ...hatred of tradition, morals and values? YEP.
3. deceptive, perfectly, and diabolically willing and able to take all of us down with them? YEP. Check.
4. [Pushing for] animal bill of rights, pet guardianship and the picketing of KFC? YEP.
5. support the millions of illegal immigrants filling our schools, hospitals and prisons and the accompanying multi-billion dollar tax burden? Most definitely.
6. The call for celebration of other cultures is revealed to be a mere mask fueling the fires of racial and class divisions. SURE! (That was an easy one.)
7. [Pushing for the] dismantling of Western civilization? Of COURSE!
8. pervasiveness and unending in its preaching [of the agenda of dismantling Western Civilization]? Sure! (Another easy one.)
9. Principle is abandoned for practicality? Absolutely. You have no principles, being the traitor you ARE.
10. Cooperation becomes compromise. Public relations become political correctness. And the path of least resistance leads to surrender? YEAH, that's EXACTLY what you want.
#161. To: Liberator (#159)
#162. To: BorisY (#161)
liberals are cheats ... they're willing to play monopoly --- with parcheezy rules !
#163. To: Capitalist Eric, cornflake boy (#152)
You depend on those of us who really understand what you're about, to simply give up and let you do what you want...
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