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Title: SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER. by Patrick J. Buchanan
Source: Drudge
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Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2011-10-14 09:08:42 by A K A Stone
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Views: 86780
Comments: 180

BOOK WARNS OF END Fri Oct 14 2011 07:00:25 ET

**Exclusive**

"As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization."

So begins Pat Buchanan in his hardcore work, SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

"Will America Survive to 2025?"

Buchanan, set for maximum controversy, launches all rockets at introduction "Disintegrating Nation" -- and does not let up for 400-plus pages.

"America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization....Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars."

The books reads as if its been written to be left behind in the ruins, only to be found by a future civilization.

SUICIDE ranked #2,668 on AMAZON's hit parade early Friday. It streets on Tuesday.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can offer a look inside.

Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”

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This sounds like a must read book. Maybe Pat Buchanan should enter the race. I'd vote for him.

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#1. To: All (#0)

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives.

Sounds like those wall street pea party protestors.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All, sneakypete (#0)

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words.

Hear that Pete? You are a good guy generally but he is talking about you being duped here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#0)

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

I am not for that. Let the historical record show that. The illegals need to be deported and removed by all means available.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#0)

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”

Pat Buchanan a true patriot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Pat Buchanan a true patriot.

He loves attacking those big over grown corporations in the spirit of the TRUE Tea Party. I think so too.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   9:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#5)

He loves attacking those big over grown corporations in the spirit of the TRUE Tea Party. I think so too.

I have no love for many large corporations. I don't like the ones who ship American jobs overseas. I would put tariffs on their products if they wanted to sell them back here. The tariff would be so big that they would be better off just staying here and employing their own people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#5)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)

I have no love for many large corporations. I don't like the ones who ship American jobs overseas. I would put tariffs on their products if they wanted to sell them back here. The tariff would be so big that they would be better off just staying here and employing their own people.

Well, the big wineries and many other ag product exporters just got their tariffs removed, in the name of 'free markets'.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   9:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#8)

Well, the big wineries and many other ag product exporters just got their tariffs removed, in the name of 'free markets'.

Obama sucks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited)

But big ag and foreign countries exerted the pressure just like what's behind ninety percent of those regulations that keep the little guy from getting ahead but leaves the big guy 'grandfathered' in.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   9:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#6)

I don't like the ones who ship American jobs overseas.

That would be All of them.

The Pentagon, which previously warned that reliable military spending figures could not be produced until 2017, has discovered that financial ledgers are in worse shape than expected and it may need to spend a billion dollars more to make DOD’s financial accounting credible, according to defense officials and congressional sources.

Experts say the Pentagon’s accounting has never been reliable.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   9:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#10)

But big ag and foreign countries exerted the pressure just like what's behind ninety percent of those regulations that keep the little guy from getting ahead but leaves the big guy 'grandfathered' in.

The OWSers will have to be attacked.

in the middle of the nite.

Then watch for A K's, Murron's reaction.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   9:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

That would be All of them.

All corporations ship American jobs overseas? No they don't.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   9:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#12)

The OWSers will have to be attacked.

in the middle of the nite.

Yep, and the only part in question is how many get killed.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   9:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

All corporations ship American jobs overseas? No they don't.

LINK

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15)

And while we're waiting...

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

And how can you 1%ers countenance same?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mcgowanjm (#15)

How about Lexmark. Ever heard of them?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)

How about Lexmark. Ever heard of them?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA inhale BUWAHAHAHAHAHA

Guess who owns Lexmark!!!

LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

How about Lexmark. Ever heard of them?

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mcgowanjm (#18)

I just recently learned they were made in the USA. I don't know who owns LEXMARK. I know they make their stuff in Kentucky. Providing American jobs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#17)

How about Lexmark. Ever heard of them?

Are their phone techies overseas?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#21)

Are their phone techies overseas?

Maybe. I don't know. I just know they manufacture their printers here in the United States. They make good ones too. I just got one of their wireless ones that has low ink costs. it is a great printer. I haven't had to call customer service.

Do you think that it is good that they manufacture here, unlike say HP.

I buy American when I can. I needed a masonry hammer a while back. The Chinese one was 9 bucks. The American made Estwing was close to 30 bucks. I spent the 30.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#21)

Nothing is made in the US anymore?

And EVERY trade Deal Congress poushes thru is that many more US jobs going away and never coming back.

Harrisburg PA declares BK.

So how do you know if your own city has become a hellhole?

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Maybe. I don't know. I just know they manufacture their printers here in the United States. They make good ones too. I just got one of their wireless ones that has low ink costs. it is a great printer. I haven't had to call customer service.

But see, A K, that wasn't the question.

And are you going to avoid the question?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24)

And in case you forgot the question:

#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

All corporations ship American jobs overseas? No they don't.

LINK

mcgowanjm

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mininggold (#21)

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#0)

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

Though Buchanan is spot on, many of us saw this coming at least 25 years ago. It's now too late to save Late, Great, USA.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mcgowanjm (#12)

The OWSers will have to be attacked.

in the middle of the nite.

By whom? Or what?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#14)

Yep, and the only part in question is how many get killed.

Have you checked under your bed recently?

BOO!!!

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

Why don't you ask your Community Organizer-in-Chief to rectify the problem?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator, All (#30)

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

Why don't you ask your Community Organizer-in-Chief to rectify the problem?

So you agree...8D

That's a Start....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#28)

By whom? Or what?

You're Police State, of course.

POTUS: 'They've been deemed a threat to the national security of the state.

Send in a couple of drones.'

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

What real live history looks like.

Master wants slave.

Slave does not want Master.

" The global designs of the neo-liberal agenda have met the living architecture of a larger order -- a portion of which has taken the form of a still coalescing, yet potent, countervailing consciousness, a global-wide Liberty Plaza of the mind -- an order that is not informed by corporate era public relations legerdemain, hyper-adrenaline media sound bites, rightwing emotional displacements, or "sensible" centrist platitudes -- but the type of order that begins to jell when the structures of an existing system lose touch with the realities of daily life.-Phil Rockstruh

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#22)

You'll note your LF House Commies won't go near Buchanan's essay assertions regarding the by-product of majority Third World immigration since 1965, imbalance of demographics, destruction of Christian-based ethics, acceptance of moral relativity, unwillingness to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.

Buchanan:

"“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mcgowanjm (#33)

What real live history looks like.

Master wants slave.

Slave does not want Master.

<< Proverbs 22 >> King James Version 1A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

2The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all.

3A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

4By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

5Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

6Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

7The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

8He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.

9He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

10Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

11He that loveth pureness of heart, for the grace of his lips the king shall be his friend.

12The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor.

13The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.

14The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

15Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

16He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.

17Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.

18For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.

19That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.

20Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,

21That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

22Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:

23For the LORD will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them.

24Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:

25Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

26Be not thou one of them that strike hands, or of them that are sureties for debts.

27If thou hast nothing to pay, why should he take away thy bed from under thee?

28Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

29Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator, mininggold (#34)

You'll note your LF House Commies won't go near Buchanan's essay assertions regarding the by-product of majority Third World immigration since 1965, imbalance of demographics, destruction of Christian-based ethics, acceptance of moral relativity, unwillingness to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.

Buchanan:

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mcgowanjm (#32)

You're Police State, of course.

POTUS: 'They've been deemed a threat to the national security of the state.

Send in a couple of drones.'

That Bloomberg and 0bama - beddy bad men!

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mcgowanjm (#31)

So you agree...8D

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

;-)

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

Why would I post a tagline that offends me?

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mcgowanjm (#32)

You're Police State, of course.

Wait - you DO realize that it's the Commies and Stalin and Fascists and Hitler who utilize a Police State, right?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#39)

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

Yes. As in "Ugliest Tagline."

To you that's probably still considered "positive reinforcement."

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator (#40)

Wait - you DO realize that it's the Commies and Stalin and Fascists and Hitler who utilize a Police State, right?

I don't have to wait any more. The state is out of answers.

It has gone insane.

EVERY State Must use Force.

War is the Health of the State and the State is very healthy...;}

Where is the POTUS given authority to summarily execute an American.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mininggold (#39)

Why would I post a tagline that offends me?

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

You would post a tagline that offends you to shine a light on something that someone said.

So it doesn't offend you. Ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

;-)

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#45. To: Liberator (#37)

That Bloomberg and 0bama - beddy bad men!

war criminals the correct phrasing....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#43)

You would post a tagline that offends you to shine a light on something that someone said.

So it doesn't offend you. Ok.

So where's my prize?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#2)

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words.

Hear that Pete? You are a good guy generally but he is talking about you being duped here.

Really?

Give examples.

One example that I'm not is that I understand that just because Pat says something,that doesn't mean HE believes it. It simply means he thinks he can make money by saying it.

Yes,he does make valid points. Many of them points others are too PC to highlight. This doesn't mean he isn't a Charlatan.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

So where's my prize?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#47)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#4)

What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#50) (Edited)

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

I think we have a contest going on here, so go for it.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Well, the big wineries and many other ag product exporters just got their tariffs removed, in the name of 'free markets'.

Obama sucks.

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

Modern party politics is nothing more than a high-priced shell game.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#5) (Edited)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family? In America they all get mixed in together so "whites" are all the same group in America, etc.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

See, I read this from Pat and I am as a European I am thinking, "why is Pat including all white Europeans as one people with a shared destiny vs all other people?"

That is like if Pat was Chinese and he was saying that Koreans and Japanese and Chinese are all one civilization and people - it is not so. It's more complicated than that.

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

The reason Europeans are having less children (outside of Russia) is because they are wealthy. Its the same reason Japan is seeing a limited demographic growth. Wealth and modernity creates a culture where people marry later and when they have kids have 1 or 2. It can also be a sign of consumer culture, more kids means more expenses and less money to buy a second car or summer home, etc.

Poor nations produce more children because they are not a consumer culture and more kids means more security for the family, etc.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   10:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#52)

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#10) (Edited)

But big ag and foreign countries exerted the pressure just like what's behind ninety percent of those regulations that keep the little guy from getting ahead but leaves the big guy 'grandfathered' in.

Can you say former Senate Majority leader,Republican Presidential candidate,and Archer-Daniels-Midland spokescritter/lobbyist "Viagra Bob" Dolt?

Folks,there ain't nothing new about Globalism. It's just out of the closet and wearing expensive custom suits now.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

Because they are artificial humans that happen to have tons of VERY real money to blackmail or otherwise buy politicians.

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade,there are damn few people who aren't blackmail candidates on one level or another,and none that are politicians. Even if the man or woman themselves are as pure as the driven snow in their personal lives,they have relatives they love and want to protect.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#56)

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade

You've got it down....no need...8D

Reality or insanity...U Pic 'Em

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   11:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, all, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#26)

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

Leftist icon George Soros is a prime example of this. His entire life is based on profiting from the misfortune and losses of others,starting back in the days when he was helping the Nazi's catch and exterminate his fellow Jews.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#27) (Edited)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Godwinson (#53)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family?

Because they share a common religious heritage? Borders? Economy? Currency? Appearance? DNA?

Other than that, they're totally different.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

One of THE dopiest comments you've ever made. Wow.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#59)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland, and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#59)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#59)

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Sneak, you're a great poster and one I agree with more often than not. That said, I just want to comment on this point:

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-14   11:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#61) (Edited)

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples. I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Liberator (#60) (Edited)

No European or American until the late 19th century used the term "Western civilization" and as WW1 and WW2 showed - it was a meaningless concept as far as binding people together.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mcgowanjm (#33)

Slave does not want Master.

ROFLMAO!

If history proves anything,it is that the majority of people want to be slaves in order to feel like they "belong" and are loved by a superior that cares enough about them to make all their decisions and protect them from reality.

Hell,just in recent history alone,Communism proves that,doesn't it,comrade? And Communism is just an example of one of the most recent religions.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Get Outta Dodge!, sneakypete (#63)

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

Well and properly stated...

But Pete realizes that. He's just bustin' balls.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Godwinson (#64)

Murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples.

What part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

Uh, you DO realize ALL men since the dawn of time have aspired to dominance by "wiping out" or "warring" against other people, right? That means even "natives" did so against other natives.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

I have been seduced by the Great Communist/Great Muslim Conspiracy because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Yeah,how "Nazi" of me.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#69)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man? Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: sneakypete (#68)

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

Of course the statist RINOs want the US destroyed - but in a "compassionate," simmering-boil kinda way.

However, 0bama's side of the ship is top-heavy with explosives and whose immediate goal is the death, destruction, and mayhem via the microwave.

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#54)

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

Fair enough. We are in agreement on this issue.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#70)

because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Americans should have the same rights. That is what I believe. But homos given the right to redefine meanings of words is a no no.

Go to the library and get one of those old thick dictionaries out. Then look up the word marriage. Report back what you find.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   11:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#60)

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Godwinson (#71)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man?

For the SECOND time, what part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it. Do. You. Understand? Capisce??

Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

NOT in Jesus Christ's name though - nice try.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

They've murdered as well - I'm not real familiar with that cult, so I don't know whether they have or not.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#75)

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

Not necessarily. The root cause of tribalism and clans fighting has mostly been over territory, power, greed, fear, and ego. But religion has often been used as a a symbol and thus rallying cry to help justify strife and to inspire. Just like the American Flag.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#76) (Edited)

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#61)

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Is the US a part of the world or not?

Both Christianity and Islam have been out to conquer and control the whole world since both were created.

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

You're right. One was about organized Christian murder and the other was about organized Islam murder.

Totally different things.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

Maybe you have heard of The Spanish Inquisition?

The Milites Christi?

The expression Milkhemet Mitzvah?

The Reformation?

The Thirty Years War?

The French Wars of Religion?

The Crusades? Both Muslims and Christians were in these play-off games.

Various Muslim and Jewish wars?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Liberator (#62)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

See?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Godwinson (#78)

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

It really is cute how you're derailed your losing argument, but can you tell me just what the context is for God the Father to perform His "smiting"?

Did He give warning before smitin, OR did God do so gratuitously?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#80)

LOL

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence -

Somehow that message never seemed to filter down to the various cult leaders that ruled their cults in his name,did it?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Liberator (#81)

what the context is for God the Father to perform His "smiting"?

Self justification by the Hebrews for land theft..

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Godwinson (#64)

or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples

The Protestants were the only ones that did this????

ROFLMAO!

Try explaining this to the Carib Indians,for one group.

Good luck finding one.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#67)

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

Well and properly stated...

But Pete realizes that. He's just bustin' balls.

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete (#85)

The Protestants were the only ones that did this????

I clearly mentioned the Crusades before hand (aka Latin Catholics). Please drink less whiskey.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#69)

That means even "natives" did so against other natives.

Yes,and almost always (maybe even always)the local tribal Holy Man was up there cheerleading for the war with the claim the related clans didn't worship the proper gods,or worshiped the proper ones improperly.

Organized religion has been in bed with government ever since government itself was invented. The Chief and the Holy Man were the ying and yang of leadership. One led the tribe as a dictator,and the other backed him up by claiming the very Gods themselves would be angry with anyone who questioned the tribal leadership.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Liberator (#72)

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

I agree with that,but in MY opinion this makes the RINO's even more despicable than the outright Dims.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#79) (Edited)

Is the US a part of the world or not?

You basically claimed Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US. NOT working, Pete.

Both Christianity and Islam have been out to conquer and control the whole world since both were created.

The "Christianity" you allude to was actually the counterfeit "Christianity" and Papal dictatorship of the Catholic Church. Jesus never commanded an "Empire" be taken by sword.

With respect to Islam, your assertion is obviously TRUE; Conquest by force IS commanded by their "Holy Book."

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Some of it is. Some of it isn't.

You obviously are ignorant about the Ottoman Empire if you're going to continue to claim some kind of equivalence between they and Ireland.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

No.

Maybe you have heard of The Spanish Inquisition?

You mean corrupt Popes who perverted the Word of Christ 400 years ago should be held up as the Hood Ornament of "Christianity"? I don't think so.

As to your other so-called examples, what exactly are you proving? That Christianity is "evil"? Or just ALL religions? Or that THE reason for wars and evil IS "God"?

That said Pete, they have no bearing on your original thrust - that Catholicism and Islam have colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: sneakypete (#89) (Edited)

I agree with that,but in MY opinion this makes the RINO's even more despicable than the outright Dims.

And I agree with you in the context that RINOs and Republicans are supposed to be the "Good Guys." Instead that are traitors, liars, deceivers, and Trojan Horse destroyers of our nation.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: A K A Stone (#74)

But homos given the right to redefine meanings of words is a no no.

Nobody is redefining anything,but IF THE one and true definition of "marriage" was "a union of two genders",it would be un-Constitutional because it would deny homosexual Americans the same basic human rights that heterosexual Americans enjoy.

And not enjoy.

The definition of marriage that you and other religious bigots love is a RELIGIOUS definition dating back to when ONLY "the Church" could marry couples and they needed permission to marry. Which historically was a good thing because the local Catholic priest heard all the confessions,and may have been the only man in any providence who REALLY knew who were brother and sister. This was a lot more important to the survival of the human species back in the Middle Ages when most people lived in rural communities or small neighborhoods in what we would call small cities today than it is today,when people travel often and freely,and there is always fresh blood being added to local gene pools.

The local priest also kept the local birth and death records,as well as the marriage records. Which means they really did provide some useful services to the locals as well as to the landed nobility.

Despite that,it should be noted that we no longer live in the Middle Ages,and no matter how much you and the other cultists believe what you are taught,religion is NOT a co-equal of our form of government.

Hell,we don't even burn witches at the stake anymore!

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: sneakypete (#86)

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

Jesus Christ commanded His followers to engage in fellowship with other believers.

Sure, there are "Christians" who exploit the situation and turn it into business and power. It doesn't invalidate or indict the Word and Gospel of Jesus Christ though, does it?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Pat Buchanan a true patriot.

yes he is. I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#77) (Edited)

Not necessarily. The root cause of tribalism and clans fighting has mostly been over territory, power, greed, fear, and ego.

Which are the same things that drive organized religion.

But religion has often been used as a a symbol and thus rallying cry to help justify strife and to inspire.

I'd say it would be more of a tool than a symbol.

"For Gawd and King!"

"For Odin!"

"Allah Akbar!"

Etc,etc,etc.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Marriage. Check mate.

...freedom, money, citizen, wages, family, fair, free speech, terrorist, patriot...the list goes on for pages...but you are SO correct. They have CHANGED the meaning of words.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Godwinson (#65)

No European or American until the late 19th century used the term "Western civilization...it was a meaningless concept as far as binding people together.

They didn't have to use the terminology then - Western Civ was THE world.

Now it's used as a comparative gauge of other, less sophisticated civilizations.

Btw, "Western Civilization" isn't a "binder" of anything, it's a descriptor.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#95) (Edited)

"For Gawd and King!"

Lol...(But I think the spelling is amiss.)

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: freedomsnotfree (#94)

I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's...

Really? Fish or chicken? ;-)

...and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

He is, and he has been. And he's paid the price for eschewing PC-talk and rejecting the propaganda. It's actually a miracle he hasn't been buried altogether by the media and the Dems and GOP.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#99)

...LOL, I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last week.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: sneakypete (#86)

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

But you guys are always posting that the government and other institutions need to be run more like a business.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   12:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Liberator (#97) (Edited)

Btw, "Western Civilization" isn't a "binder" of anything, it's a descriptor.

That is what I said, when I criticized Buchanan's thesis. Buchanan acts as if there is some sort of unified Western Civilization that is a threat.

The "west" produced 3 things of note: Technology/tool making, science (not the same thing as technology) and rational thought/free-thinking (The last part did not apply to all European countries at the same time or in the same place and time).

Of these 3, technology and science would continue if Western civilization went away. All the technological foundations for what the Europeans did in the Industrial Age had already existed in the rest of the world like in China as pre-cursors and the only reason I can tell that they took off in the Western European lands was because they had a low population after the Black Death so they needed labor saving devices to replace human labor. That is why western Europeans who were the poorest and stupidest people of the known world experienced a leap.

Science is now established around the world as a method of deducing reality.

The last part, free thinking is still something "Westerners" do better but even Westerners have problems with it and many Europeans have had this ability and lost it over time so it is unstable even in the west but eventually this mindset will also dominate in other cultures as well like in Japan, India, etc.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#99)

He is, and he has been. And he's paid the price for eschewing PC-talk and rejecting the propaganda. It's actually a miracle he hasn't been buried altogether by the media and the Dems and GOP.

what 53 years on this earth have taught me is, MOST people don't want the truth...it's far easier for them to have someone else tell them what to believe...

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#92)

Despite that,it should be noted that we no longer live in the Middle Ages...

Thanks for that newsflash.

...and no matter how much you and the other cultists believe what you are taught,religion is NOT a co-equal of our form of government.

I must have missed this myth in civics class.

WHO exactly has EVER claimed religion to be a "co-equal of our form of government"?? NAMES of the Founders, please (unless you are referring to Sharia Law adherents.) OR anyone of note for that matter.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: freedomsnotfree, A K A Stone (#94)

yes he is. I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

Maybe as a Catholic he feels guilty at not producing children and is obsessed with this "europeans are becoming extinct" more than is normal?

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: freedomsnotfree (#103)

what 53 years on this earth have taught me is, MOST people don't want the truth...it's far easier for them to have someone else tell them what to believe...

Unfortunately, tis true.

For most folks the Fairy Tale never dies.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Godwinson (#105)

Maybe as a Catholic he feels guilty at not producing children and is obsessed with this "europeans are becoming extinct" more than is normal?

...apparently you know his physical abilities and those of his wife, better than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise. /sac

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Godwinson (#102)

I can tell that they took off in the Western European lands was because they had a low population after the Black Death so they needed labor saving devices to replace human labor. That is why western Europeans who were the poorest and stupidest people of the known world experienced a leap.

It is within the political system that embraced Christian ethics that promoted the liberty to THINK AND PRODUCE AND INNOVATE without interference from statists and dictators that produced the greatest benefits and inventions of and for mankind. That system found a foothold mostly in America and Europe.

Deal with it.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: mininggold, mcgowanjm (#14)

"The OWSers will have to be attacked. in the middle of the nite."

"Yep, and the only part in question is how many get killed."

Attacked? By whom? The only people these brain washed happy campers are a threat to, is the Unionized Sanitation Dept. workers.

Take a good look at these worthless sheep who think they will get what they want by staging sit-ins and deficating in public...

It's what you DON'T see that counts. Take the number of what you see there, then multiply that by a thousand. I promise you, if/when, push comes to shove, those ignorant pussies will show the world how fast they can run, and hide, when the real shit hits the fan. jmho!

Murron  posted on  2011-10-14   12:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: freedomsnotfree (#107)

..apparently you know his physical abilities and those of his wife, better than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise. /sac

As a Catholic he can't use birth control so either one is sterile or they are bad Catholics which makes him feel guilty?

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Murron (#109)

Attacked? By whom? The only people these brain washed happy campers are a threat to, is the Unionized Sanitation Dept. workers.

Take a good look at these worthless sheep who think they will get what they want by staging sit-ins and deficating in public...

An envious Tea Bagger is an angry Tea Bagger.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   13:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Liberator (#108)

It is within the political system that embraced Christian ethics that promoted the liberty to THINK AND PRODUCE AND INNOVATE without interference from statists and dictators that produced the greatest benefits and inventions of and for mankind. That system found a foothold mostly in America and Europe.

Deal with it.

The Germans that over ran the Western Roman empire and the population of the West were mostly Christians already so Western post Roman Europe had about a 1,000 years of Christianity and Western Europe was during that time the stupidest and poorest region of the known world.

So clearly, Christianity did not make them smarter for 1,000 years of history. About 600 to 500 years ago Europeans in the West rediscovered classical thinking (Renaissance) which coupled with a labor shortage produced kicked off the Industrial age.

The classical Greeks and the Romans all knew this knowledge as did the Chinese and Indians and Arabs but they had no labor shortages so did not need to create labor saving devices like post Black Death Europe did. In fact manufactured goods were actually more expensive than hand made goods in Western Europe at first but because there was a labor shortage it was worth the investment to expand machine made goods and that lowered the cost of production.

Christianity had nothing to do with any of it really.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   13:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Godwinson (#112)

Christianity had nothing to do with any of it really.

No, not much. Bwaahaa!

The entire world was bogged down for a thousand years. But STILL Western Europe produced most of the political, financial, and innovative systems in use today.

And I guess it's been that ol' "Atheist Ethic" that has accelerated Western innovation, technology, and inventions during the 19th and 20th centuries?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   13:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: mininggold, Murron (#111) (Edited)

An envious Tea Bagger is an angry Tea Bagger.

Is "envy" your reaction to theft and assault?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   13:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Murron (#109)

The only people these brain washed happy campers are a threat to, is the Unionized Sanitation Dept. workers.

BWAAHAA!!

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   13:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Murron, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#109)

Take a good look at these worthless sheep who think they will get what they want by staging sit-ins and deficating in public...

THOSE gestures are meaningful and symbolically poignant.

Commies defecate where ever, when ever THEY assemble. THAT IS their "point."

When 100x more tea partiers showed up at DC, and there was nary a piece of litter remaining by the time they'd left.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   13:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Godwinson (#87)

I clearly mentioned the Crusades before hand (aka Latin Catholics).

As opposed to unleaded Catholics?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   13:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Liberator, (#114)

"An envious Tea Bagger is an angry Tea Bagger."

"Is "envy" your reaction to theft and assault?"

I don't believe I have ever seen a poster as moronic, as stupid as this one, she has no mind to think with, she comprehends nothing, she is a follower (gawd, and look at the critters here she follows), she has no leadership qualities, she has to borrow thoughts from others, she has none of her own. She is so dense she could analyze me till her last two teeth fell out, and still not know anything about me. How in the hell could I ever live with myself if I envied that parasitic skank, or anyone like her?

I will feel better now if I go and puke....

Murron  posted on  2011-10-14   13:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Murron, minninggold (#118)

I don't believe I have ever seen a poster as moronic, as stupid as this one,[cs]she has no mind to think with, [cs] she comprehends nothing, [cs] she is a follower (gawd, and look at the critters here she follows), [cs] she has no leadership qualities, [cs] she has to borrow thoughts from others, she has none of her own.[cs]

A) Read your own schlufferspittle 'afore calling another poster mornic and stupid.

B) You listed several things which all mean the same thing as the first thing you listed.

C) The semi-colon is our friend.

[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]

war  posted on  2011-10-14   14:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: war (#119) (Edited)

A) Read your own schlufferspittle 'afore calling another poster mornic and stupid.

B) You listed several things which all mean the same thing as the first thing you listed.

C) The semi-colon is our friend.

It's okay. She personifies the Tea Baggers' emotional state of desperation: "When the going gets tough, a Tea Bagger pukes".

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   14:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Liberator (#90)

You basically claimed Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US. NOT working, Pete.

No,I didn't. The original post may have been about Pat's comments about the US and Islam,but the subject had shifted to world domination by the time of my post.

The "Christianity" you allude to was actually the counterfeit "Christianity" and Papal dictatorship of the Catholic Church. Jesus never commanded an "Empire" be taken by sword.

Gotcha! It was the "Counterfeit Christians" doing all that evil stuff,not "the one true faith".

Have you explained this to the Catholics?

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Some of it is. Some of it isn't.

HorseHillary.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

No.

Uh,huh. Pull my finger.

You mean corrupt Popes who perverted the Word of Christ 400 years ago should be held up as the Hood Ornament of "Christianity"?

Yeah,those guys. Leaders of a,maybe THE, largest Christian cult in the world.

I don't think so.

Yet you were able to name the very people I was using as an example. Amazing!

As to your other so-called examples, what exactly are you proving? That Christianity is "evil"? Or just ALL religions?

No,all organized religions. The corruption and greed begins once you start to build places of worship,and demand special privileges from government.

That said Pete, they have no bearing on your original thrust - that Catholicism and Islam have colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US.

Where the HELL have I EVER wrote or even implied that? Yeah,they both lust after power and wealth,but they are competitors,not allies. They have even fought several wars to illuminate this,and are on one level fighting one right now.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Liberator (#93)

It doesn't invalidate or indict the Word and Gospel of Jesus Christ though, does it?

Pretty much.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Liberator (#99)

It's actually a miracle he hasn't been buried altogether by the media and the Dems and GOP.

It ain't like they ain't tried. They even trotted out the "anti-Semite" and "Nazi" cards to play against him.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: mininggold (#101)

But you guys are always posting that the government and other institutions need to be run more like a business.

We have to because there is a budget to be balanced on the backs of the people,and there are cretins like you out there proclaiming that government should be ran like a charity that gives everybody everything they want and "it doesn't cost anybody anything but the rich!"

Government has NO money that doesn't come from the labors and work of the citizens. None.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Godwinson (#102)

Buchanan acts as if there is some sort of unified Western Civilization that is a threat.

WRONG! He writes that it is Western Civilization that is being THREATENED.

And he is right. There is a difference between being a threat and being threatened.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: war, Murron, minninggold (#119)

Murron: I don't believe I have ever seen a poster as moronic, as stupid as this one, she has no mind to think with, she comprehends nothing, she is a follower (gawd, and look at the critters here she follows), she has no leadership qualities, she has to borrow thoughts from others, she has none of her own. She is so dense she could analyze me till her last two teeth fell out, and still not know anything about me. How in the hell could I ever live with myself if I envied that parasitic skank, or anyone like her?

dumbphuck DwarF: A) Read your own schlufferspittle 'afore calling another poster mornic and stupid.

B) You listed several things which all mean the same thing as the first thing you listed.

C) The semi-colon is our friend.

Badeye called it: "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern."

Murron, you've simply made the observation that leftists are mentally deranged, and unable to accept reality when faced with it. They prefer delusions, because they can then choose to believe anything they want. If they choose to believe the entire universe revolves around them, it's easier and simpler (and perhaps more comforting for their egos) than accepting that nobody GAS about them, and their delusions.

They're mentally sick. And their stubborn insistence on creating and believing their delusions, makes them dangerous, much like rabid dogs. One can sympathize with a sick animal; just don't let it bite.

Oh, and DumPhuck DwarF's attacks [as concisely summarized by Badeye] are the only way he knows, of covering for his own sickness...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Capitalist Eric, minninggold (#126)

You really are fucking stupid, Junior.

Mammy was attacking another poster.

[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]

war  posted on  2011-10-14   14:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Godwinson (#110)

so either one is sterile or they are bad Catholics which makes him feel guilty?

...WOW, so you presume to know the feelings of another. seek help

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   14:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Liberator (#104)

WHO exactly has EVER claimed religion to be a "co-equal of our form of government"??

EVERY single "True Believer" that has ever lived. Most notably,the modern Evangelicals at their pulpits and on their radio and tv shows.

NAMES of the Founders, please (unless you are referring to Sharia Law adherents.)

Have you lost your freaking mind? NONE of the Founders wanted organized religion to be a leg of government. Even the ones that were religious had enough recent experience in Europe of the result of that kind of foolishness. Which is why they demanded Separation of Church and State.

Which YOUR KIND is repeatedly denying while demanding more "morality " laws be passed and enforced.

OR anyone of note for that matter.

EVERY single religious leader that has ever been on tv or the radio,and I am guessing all the ones that haven't.

Let's start with the alleged Moral Majority.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Liberator (#106)

For most folks the Fairy Tale never dies.

You mean Barry AIN'T going to pay the rent and car payments for his peep-pulls?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: sneakypete (#129)

They demanded no such thing. Quote one founding father demanding that. You can't. They didn't.

Only congresss was forbidden from setting up a national religion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Godwinson (#112)

The classical Greeks and the Romans all knew this knowledge as did the Chinese and Indians and Arabs but they had no labor shortages so did not need to create labor saving devices like post Black Death Europe did. In fact manufactured goods were actually more expensive than hand made goods in Western Europe at first but because there was a labor shortage it was worth the investment to expand machine made goods and that lowered the cost of production.

That's an interesting theory. One that had never occurred to me before.

I have to think that demand due to increased trade was a major player in that,too. You eventually reach a point where no amount of labor can produce the required work,and then the necessity of creating new machines or systems to meet the demand becomes the engine driving the new creations and ideas.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: sneakypete (#124)

We have to because there is a budget to be balanced on the backs of the people,and there are cretins like you out there proclaiming that government should be ran like a charity that gives everybody everything they want and "it doesn't cost anybody anything but the rich!"

Government has NO money that doesn't come from the labors and work of the citizens. None.

I'm sure an astute poster such as yourself will have a link handy to back up that statement.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   14:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: war, Murron, minninggold (#127)

You really are fucking stupid, Junior.

LOL.

Drop a little bait in the water, and what does DumPhuck DwarF do???

LOL.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:29:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Liberator (#113)

The entire world was bogged down for a thousand years. But STILL Western Europe produced most of the political, financial, and innovative systems in use today.

Trade had more to do with this than anything else,and most of the credit for that has to go to the Arabs and the Jews,who were the ones that are most responsible for opening up Europe to international trade.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Capitalist Eric, war (#134)

Drop a little bait in the water, and what does DumPhuck DwarF do???

'Make' you post pics that make you look even more foolish?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   14:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: freedomsnotfree, Godwinson (#128)

so either one is sterile or they are bad Catholics which makes him feel guilty?

...WOW, so you presume to know the feelings of another. seek help

They could even be Bad Catholics that are sterile.

A twofer.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: A K A Stone (#131)

They demanded no such thing. Quote one founding father demanding that. You can't. They didn't.

So,none of the Founding Fathers were opposed to religion being a branch of government? Is that your claim?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Capitalist Eric (#126)

"They're mentally sick. And their stubborn insistence on creating and believing their delusions, makes them dangerous, much like rabid dogs."

That sums it up pretty good, but in my neck of the woods, we shoot rabid dogs. &;-)

I could try my best and explain to these leftist neanderthals my possition, what it is I believe in, where I stand, and why, but that is not what they want, anything you, or I say, will just go over their heads.

Let's see if they understand this (below), it's the closest of any ideology that fits my own I have ever seen. My money says they will not understand a word.

************************************

"They don't call themselves a militia, they don't even call themselves patriots, they call themselves American Citizens who are tired of confiscatory tax rates and increasingly heavy regulations which is they believe, leading them down a path to involuntary servitude.

The only thing standing between some of the current legislation being contemplated and armed conflict is time.

We seem to have a problem here during these campaigns when all of these wonderful politicians, say what ever they're going to say and they get inside the belt way and everything is, how do we say, politics as usual. Now whats going on is this trend continues and you guys gotta listen to this, your pushing peoples backs against the walls out there.

Economically Terrorized, Socially Terrorized, the political correctness is getting out of hand.

What this militia is now, it's a mindset. It's the civil rights movement of the 90's, people with Don't tread on me stamped across their foreheads, there is people drawing a line in their sand. That's what it is.

We're not baby killers, we're baby boomers, we're not terrorist, we're tax payers, we're not extremist, we're just extremely ticked off at the way government is deviating away.

"We" is not a culvert group out there, "it's everybody"

"What we stand for here is the Constitution, that's it.." ~ J Johnson, Senate Floor, 1995

Murron  posted on  2011-10-14   14:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#131)

They demanded no such thing. Quote one founding father demanding that. You can't. They didn't.

Only congresss was forbidden from setting up a national religion.

Exhibit number 1.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: mininggold (#136)

Please tell me you haven't reproduced.

The subject of this thread is the decline of Western civilization through low birth-rates (among other things). However, the possibility that you would reproduce will only exacerbate the situation, should your idiocy live on in future generations.

You're clearly one of the biggest leftist morons in this forum. Don't create more competition for yourself, by having children.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: mininggold (#133)

Government has NO money that doesn't come from the labors and work of the citizens. None. (Me)

I'm sure an astute poster such as yourself will have a link handy to back up that statement. (you know who you are. Maybe.)

ROFLMAO!

Too funny for words!

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   14:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: sneakypete (#140)

Exhibit number 1.

You quoted nothing. Does that mean you have nothing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   14:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: sneakypete (#142)

ROFLMAO!

Too funny for words!

It's amazing, the level of ignorance among the nanny-state leftists...

The sheer magnitude is *staggering.*

How could someone so stupid, have survived this long?

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Capitalist Eric (#141)

The subject of this thread is the decline of Western civilization through low birth-rates (among other things). However, the possibility that you would reproduce will only exacerbate the situation, should your idiocy live on in future generations.

Are you kidding? You can't even follow the posts on this thread and your floundering attempts are here for the whole internet to see.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   14:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: sneakypete (#142)

ROFLMAO!

Too funny for words!

So then, why are you compelled to change my post?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   14:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: A K A Stone (#131)

They demanded no such thing. Quote one founding father demanding that. You can't. They didn't.

Here's MAdison kilooin twpo birds with one, chuckles, stone:

The danger of silent accumulations and encroachments by ecclesiastical bodies have not sufficiently engaged attention in the United States. They have the noble merit of first unshackling the conscience from persecuting laws, and of establishing among religious sects a legal equality.

If some of the states have not embraced this just and this truly Christian principle in its proper latitude, all of them present examples by which the most enlightened states of the old world may be instructed; and there is one state at least, Virginia, where religious liberty is placed on its true foundation, and is defined in its full latitude.

The general principle is contained in her declaration of rights, prefixed to her Constitution; but it is unfolded and defined, in its precise extent, in the act of the Legislature, usually named the Religious Bill, which passed into a law in the year 1786. Here the separation between the authority of human laws, and the natural rights of man excepted from the grant on which all political authority is founded, is traced as distinctly as words can admit, and the limits to this authority established with as much solemnity as the forms of legislation can express. The formal appeal to the sense of the community, and a deliberate sanction of a vast majority, comprizing every sect of Christians in the state. This act is a true standard of religious liberty: its principle the great barrier against usurpations on the rights of conscience. As long as it is respected and no longer, these will be safe. Every provision for them short of this principle, will be found to leave crevices at least through which bigotry may introduce persecution; a monster that feeding and thriving on its own venom, gradually swells to a size and strength overwhelming all laws divine and human.

But besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity [forever] by ecclesiastical corporations. The power of all corporations, ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.

[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]

war  posted on  2011-10-14   14:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: mininggold (#145)

Are you kidding? You can't even follow the posts on this thread and your floundering attempts are here for the whole internet to see.

You didn't answer my question:

Did you reproduce?

Have you had idiot children, that look like you?

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: war (#147)

I didn't see "separation of church and state" anywhere.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   14:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Murron (#139)

in my neck of the woods, we shoot rabid dogs. &;-)

EVERYBODY shoots rabid dogs.

That's a lesson the leftists never remember... until it's too late.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   14:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Liberator (#113)

The entire world was bogged down for a thousand years. But STILL Western Europe produced most of the political, financial, and innovative systems in use today.

Why did it take Western Europe so long to develop all these things? Why did they have to re-learn all the things the Greeks and Romans had already known? Slow fucking learners these Germano-Celtic peoples.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   15:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: sneakypete (#117) (Edited)

As opposed to unleaded Catholics?

Latin Catholic is different from a Coptic Catholic and Greek Catholic. The Greek and Copts did not call for a Crusade so I did not want to lump them in. Seriously, cut down on the moonshine before lunch, old timer.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   15:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Capitalist Eric (#148) (Edited)

You didn't answer my question:

Did you reproduce?

Have you had idiot children, that look like you?

I don't date internet freaks like you, so stop getting personal. Why is it that you Tea Baggers just can't maintain boundaries?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   15:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: sneakypete (#132) (Edited)

The classical Greeks and the Romans all knew this knowledge as did the Chinese and Indians and Arabs but they had no labor shortages so did not need to create labor saving devices like post Black Death Europe did. In fact manufactured goods were actually more expensive than hand made goods in Western Europe at first but because there was a labor shortage it was worth the investment to expand machine made goods and that lowered the cost of production. That's an interesting theory. One that had never occurred to me before.

I have to think that demand due to increased trade was a major player in that,too. You eventually reach a point where no amount of labor can produce the required work,and then the necessity of creating new machines or systems to meet the demand becomes the engine driving the new creations and ideas.

One of the reasons overlooked for why Gutenberg's printing press came about was that the black death had killed off many scribes at a time when the hunger for learning was taking off and people wanted to buy more books and producers needed a way to put more books out on the market to meet demand.

The depopulation of Western Europe really did create the modern era in many ways.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   15:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: freedomsnotfree (#128)

..WOW, so you presume to know the feelings of another. seek help

I think I hit the mark pretty close.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   15:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: mininggold (#153)

He once showed me a image of a large luxurious looking sedan like he drives along with a picture like that of his wife's small minivan. It was in response to my inference he drove a large SUV.

I was highly amused to see what he drives compared to the ride of the 'little woman' in his life. It said a lot about him, especially as it was unintentional.

I'm sure in terms of his views on gender equality he is a lout any way you look at it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   15:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Ferret Mike (#156)

It said a lot about him, especially as it was unintentional.

He's hen pecked.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   15:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: mininggold (#157)

If not he sure deserves to be. I'm sure he's just as big an idiot in real life as he is here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   15:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Ferret Mike (#158)

I can't picture him at either a cook-out or a house party unless it was his own.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-14   15:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Fred Mertz (#159)

"I can't picture him at either a cook-out or a house party unless it was his own."

Oh I can picture him on the barbecue spit as guest of honor at a cannibal cook out.

I can even imagine it as something fun to watch.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   16:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#149) (Edited)

I didn't see "separation of church and state" anywhere.

What do you believe the phrase "direct mixture of religion and civil government" means?

But if it's separation you want...so be it:

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. (See the cases in which negatives were put by J.M. on two bills passed by Congress and his signature withheld from another. See also attempt in Kentucky; for example, where it was proposed to exempt Houses of Worship from taxes.) [In 1811 Madison vetoed a bill incorporating an Episcopal church in Alexandria and a bill setting aside some public land in Mississippi for a Baptist church which had been built by mistake on federal land. In both vetoes Madison wrote that the bills violated the article in the Constitution which declares that “Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.” See A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, ed. James D. Richardson, vol. 1 (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 1896), 489-490.]

Is the appointment of chaplains to the two houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?

In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the United States forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the constituent, as well as of the representative body, approved by the majority, and conducted by ministers of religion paid by the entire nation.

Rather than let this step beyond the landmarks of power have the effect of a legitimate precedent, it will be better to apply to it the legal aphorism de minimis non curat lex [the law has no concern for the very small]: or to class it cum “maculis quas aut incuria fudit, aut humana parum cavit natura [with faults which human nature either has scattered around through negligence or has guarded against too little].

Better also to disarm in the same way, the precedent of chaplainships for the army and navy, than erect them into a political authority in matters of religion. The object of this establishment is seducing; the motive to it is laudable. But is it not safer to adhere to a right principle, and trust to its consequences, than confide in the reasoning however specious in favor of a wrong one. Look through the armies and navies of the world, and say whether in the appointment of their ministers of religion, the spiritual interest of the flocks or the temporal interest of the shepherds, be most in view: whether here, as elsewhere the political care of religion, is not nominal more than a real aid. If the spirit of armies be devout, the spirit out of the armies will never be less so; and a failure of religious instruction and exhortation from a voluntary source within or without, will rarely happen; and if such be not the spirit of armies, the official services of their teacher are not likely to produce it. It is more likely to flow from the labours of a spontaneous zeal. The armies of the Puritans had their appointed chaplains, but without these there would have been no lack of public devotion to that devout age.

[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]

war  posted on  2011-10-14   16:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: war (#161)

orbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.

I agree with that. But that isn't separation of church and state.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   16:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: mininggold (#153)

Why is it that you Tea Baggers just can't maintain boundaries?

"The lady doth protest too much"

In typical do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do fashion, you expect limits when the questions are at YOU.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   16:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, murron, A K A Stone, Badeye, Liberator (#156) (Edited)

He once showed me a image of a large luxurious looking sedan like he drives

I was highly amused to see what he drives compared to the ride of the 'little woman' in his life.

LOL

My car is an 11 year-old tuna-boat sedan- a 2000 Mercury Gran Marquis. I bought it because it was cheap, it has AC and leather, and it had low miles. I paid cash for it, did a few fixits on it, and now I drive the crap out of it, because:

1. I don't like FOMOCO products
2. I hate this car, I hate the color, and I hate that it's gutless, leading to the fact that
3. I'll never spend a dime on it, that isn't absolutely necessary.

If it looks "large and luxurious" to you, then I have to ask, what do you drive, a Yugo?

...along with a picture like that of his wife's small minivan. It was in response to my inference he drove a large SUV.

My wife picked out her minivan. I had a local gunsmith putting a muzzle-brake on one of my rifles, and she wandered over to the Nissan dealership, next door. Her minivan is the "luxo-gargantula" version, and she was very happy that she was able to pick out exactly what she wanted. She loves her ride.

It said a lot about him, especially as it was unintentional. I'm sure in terms of his views on gender equality he is a lout any way you look at it.

Yeah, and you were SO sure that I drive a big SUV... In other words, you're BS'ing again.

The truth isn't something that really interests you. You make nasty insinuations, hoping that you'll drag me down to your pathetic level of existence. Lefty that you are, you can't raise yourself up, so you're only option- from your limited point of view- is to pull down everyone around you.

And who are you really, rat-boy? A loser helicopter mechanic reject, who doesn't have enough smarts to keep his fat mouth shut. And after the Army shit you out, you've been floundering around ever since...

Part of being a leftist, is knowing that you're so much of a loser, that the only way you can get anything, is by taking it from someone else. That's the REAL reason you have the "Gimme" pic on your signature- the billionaire thieves on Wall St. are so wildly successful at the exact theft that you only dream of doing, it pisses you off... and it reinforces that you are, indeed, a loser.

You leftists NEVER learn, that you cannot raise yourself up, by tearing everyone else down.

Your entire ideology is based upon tearing down the norms around you, not because societal norms are abhorrent, but because you loathe standards of behavior. You attack the rules of society, because you are misfits, rejects and losers, in that society. And instead of trying to improve yourself...? You'll tear everything down.

It's why you leftists tear at the underbelly of the U.S.A. It's why you cheer deviancy. It's why you cheer abortion- killing of the innocent- but fight against the execution of the guilty.

Like children who don't like the rules, you attempt to change the rules, or simply have ALL the rules thrown out... Like a child, you foolishly believe that you'll make the world a better place if all the rules were gone, and people could just act as they want, whenever they want...

You're mentally ill, walking and talking, textbook-examples of delusional disorders. Look it up, it's plain as day.

What pisses you off the most, though... is that many of us see who you really are, and we continuously expose you. Your lies, your delusions, your proclivities toward sexual and behavioral deviancies, even your overt cultural deviancies, where you accuse others of being racist, because racism is a repugnant trait, which is core to who you are... Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, as well as the "Methods of Disinformation" which I often post, are so devastating for you leftists... because such things don't merely define strategies. They define WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

And the answer is quite simple: you're the losers, misfits and rejects of society.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   18:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: A K A Stone (#162)

I underlined and put "ilke" in italics for a reason.

Do you know why?

[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]

war  posted on  2011-10-14   19:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: mininggold (#146)

Too funny for words!

So then, why are you compelled to change my post?

I quoted your post,I didn't change it.

Posting to you is making me long for the good old days,back when I could exchange posts with lucysmom,who occasionally made sense.

You are a full-time loon.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   21:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Godwinson (#152)

Latin Catholic is different from a Coptic Catholic and Greek Catholic.

Yeah,they are branches of the same cult.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   21:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Ferret Mike (#156)

I was highly amused to see what he drives compared to the ride of the 'little woman' in his life. It said a lot about him, especially as it was unintentional.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe his wife preferred a mini-van? I don't know about you and your life,but I have generally found it easier to get along with the women I live with if I pay attention to what they want,not what I think they want. Not easy,mind you. Easier.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   21:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Capitalist Eric (#164) (Edited)

"If it looks "large and luxurious" to you, then I have to ask, what do you drive, a Yugo?"

I drive a 2996 Ford Windstar. I'm more interested in VW Beetles and I am rebuilding a 1963 that had been sitting in a barn for two decades.

I paid a dollar for the Ford because it would not go into forth gear and it had electrical problems, It healed itself transmission-wise, and I rewired the interior lights and removed the useless (to me) air conditioner system, ashtrays and lighter. (The price allowed my friend to avoid the gift tax too.)

I've driven it to Utah, los Angeles and Seattle and it works just fine. But I'm looking forward to getting back behind the wheel of a really reliable and beautiful German car, the VW Standard Beetle.

I know no other car I would prefer to have.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   22:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Ferret Mike (#169)

Lets go camping.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   22:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: sneakypete (#168)

"Did it ever occur to you that maybe his wife preferred a mini-van? "

Yes. But he is into insults and abusive rhetoric, so that makes it Quid Pro Quo time. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   22:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: A K A Stone (#170)

"Lets go camping."

And the punchline is....?

I have camped several times this summer. But the heaviest duty camping I do is when I take my 1958 Flying Scott bicycle on a tour. I did a four day trip this summer from Eugene to the coast up to Astoria, back into Portland where I trained back home.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-14   22:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Ferret Mike (#169)

Cool.

I like 60's muscle-cars. I've had five different Corvettes, but at the end of the day, old-school muscle is still what I enjoy most.

Now building a '68 Camaro, was a plain-Jane (6 cylinder stripper) that had been stripped to a rolling shell, and left for dead in the high desert. It'll be back on the road in ~6 months as a 454 4-speed monster. I widened the rear 8", put a Ford 9" in with 2.80 gears, and the trans is a wide-ratio Super T-10. It won't be a "race" car, but a fun cruiser, with enough balls to scare my wife ( ~500 Hp on junk pump gas).

The last car I built was a 74 Vette with a blown 427. It was a lot of fun, but too expensive and too wild- somewhere around 700HP.

It was too much, and I knew it'd bite me eventually. The guy I sold it to killed himself a month later (while in a different car).

One of my fellow students wants me to rebuild his Porsche 356 engine (or a type- 4 VW). I keep declining- I know old V8s... But I don't want my learning-curve to be on something as old- and rare- as an original 356 block. :-@

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-14   22:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Capitalist Eric (#173)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-15   1:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Ferret Mike (#171)

Yes. But he is into insults and abusive rhetoric, so that makes it Quid Pro Quo time. ;-)

Gotcha. I have to confess to yielding to the same temptation sometimes.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-15   1:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Capitalist Eric (#173)

Now building a '68 Camaro

I thought you were into muscle cars? Mopar didn't make Camaros.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-15   1:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: All (#146)

I'm sure an astute poster such as yourself will have a link handy to back up that statement. (you know who you are. Maybe.)

I'm so sorry to catch you in another one of your lies again, but what part of that is in your words and what part is in mine?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-15   10:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: sneakypete (#176)

I thought you were into muscle cars? Mopar didn't make Camaros

LOL.

Well, Mopar didn't make a lot of cool-looking cars, that are still around...

Yeah, you got your Cudas, and your Superbirds, but let's face it, nobody gets wood over a Dart.

Plus, I like being able to tie the subframes together on a small car... and with Mopar, their idea of a frame was stamped sheet-metal... which is why, much as I love the look of the early Mustangs, I'll never buy one- they have all the structural integrity of a wet noodle.

There's one other thing with Mopar- unless you get a hemi engine (which costs a bloody fortune), there's no way to get fat valve-covers... With a Chevy, I can get that on a 396. :)

OTOH, while I have several friends into Mopars, I've never built one myself.

Maybe some day, I'll find a clean stripper Cuda for a song. ;) You never know...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-15   23:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: A K A Stone (#174)

NICE.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-15   23:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: A K A Stone, Capitalist Eric (#174)

How to be a Good Liberal! (No argument needed)

(Ready??...)

HA! ("Take it to the bank.')

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-16   0:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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