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Title: SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER. by Patrick J. Buchanan
Source: Drudge
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Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2011-10-14 09:08:42 by A K A Stone
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Views: 86727
Comments: 180

BOOK WARNS OF END Fri Oct 14 2011 07:00:25 ET

**Exclusive**

"As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization."

So begins Pat Buchanan in his hardcore work, SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

"Will America Survive to 2025?"

Buchanan, set for maximum controversy, launches all rockets at introduction "Disintegrating Nation" -- and does not let up for 400-plus pages.

"America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization....Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars."

The books reads as if its been written to be left behind in the ruins, only to be found by a future civilization.

SUICIDE ranked #2,668 on AMAZON's hit parade early Friday. It streets on Tuesday.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can offer a look inside.

Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”

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This sounds like a must read book. Maybe Pat Buchanan should enter the race. I'd vote for him.

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#33. To: All (#32)

What real live history looks like.

Master wants slave.

Slave does not want Master.

" The global designs of the neo-liberal agenda have met the living architecture of a larger order -- a portion of which has taken the form of a still coalescing, yet potent, countervailing consciousness, a global-wide Liberty Plaza of the mind -- an order that is not informed by corporate era public relations legerdemain, hyper-adrenaline media sound bites, rightwing emotional displacements, or "sensible" centrist platitudes -- but the type of order that begins to jell when the structures of an existing system lose touch with the realities of daily life.-Phil Rockstruh

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#22)

You'll note your LF House Commies won't go near Buchanan's essay assertions regarding the by-product of majority Third World immigration since 1965, imbalance of demographics, destruction of Christian-based ethics, acceptance of moral relativity, unwillingness to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.

Buchanan:

"“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mcgowanjm (#33)

What real live history looks like.

Master wants slave.

Slave does not want Master.

<< Proverbs 22 >> King James Version 1A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

2The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all.

3A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

4By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

5Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

6Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

7The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

8He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.

9He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

10Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

11He that loveth pureness of heart, for the grace of his lips the king shall be his friend.

12The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor.

13The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.

14The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

15Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

16He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.

17Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.

18For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.

19That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.

20Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,

21That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

22Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:

23For the LORD will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them.

24Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:

25Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

26Be not thou one of them that strike hands, or of them that are sureties for debts.

27If thou hast nothing to pay, why should he take away thy bed from under thee?

28Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

29Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator, mininggold (#34)

You'll note your LF House Commies won't go near Buchanan's essay assertions regarding the by-product of majority Third World immigration since 1965, imbalance of demographics, destruction of Christian-based ethics, acceptance of moral relativity, unwillingness to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.

Buchanan:

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mcgowanjm (#32)

You're Police State, of course.

POTUS: 'They've been deemed a threat to the national security of the state.

Send in a couple of drones.'

That Bloomberg and 0bama - beddy bad men!

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mcgowanjm (#31)

So you agree...8D

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

;-)

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

Why would I post a tagline that offends me?

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mcgowanjm (#32)

You're Police State, of course.

Wait - you DO realize that it's the Commies and Stalin and Fascists and Hitler who utilize a Police State, right?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#39)

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

Yes. As in "Ugliest Tagline."

To you that's probably still considered "positive reinforcement."

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   10:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator (#40)

Wait - you DO realize that it's the Commies and Stalin and Fascists and Hitler who utilize a Police State, right?

I don't have to wait any more. The state is out of answers.

It has gone insane.

EVERY State Must use Force.

War is the Health of the State and the State is very healthy...;}

Where is the POTUS given authority to summarily execute an American.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mininggold (#39)

Why would I post a tagline that offends me?

Does that mean I won the tagline contest?

You would post a tagline that offends you to shine a light on something that someone said.

So it doesn't offend you. Ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

;-)

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#37)

That Bloomberg and 0bama - beddy bad men!

war criminals the correct phrasing....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#43)

You would post a tagline that offends you to shine a light on something that someone said.

So it doesn't offend you. Ok.

So where's my prize?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#2)

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words.

Hear that Pete? You are a good guy generally but he is talking about you being duped here.

Really?

Give examples.

One example that I'm not is that I understand that just because Pat says something,that doesn't mean HE believes it. It simply means he thinks he can make money by saying it.

Yes,he does make valid points. Many of them points others are too PC to highlight. This doesn't mean he isn't a Charlatan.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

So where's my prize?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#47)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#4)

What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#50) (Edited)

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

I think we have a contest going on here, so go for it.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Well, the big wineries and many other ag product exporters just got their tariffs removed, in the name of 'free markets'.

Obama sucks.

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

Modern party politics is nothing more than a high-priced shell game.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#5) (Edited)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family? In America they all get mixed in together so "whites" are all the same group in America, etc.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

See, I read this from Pat and I am as a European I am thinking, "why is Pat including all white Europeans as one people with a shared destiny vs all other people?"

That is like if Pat was Chinese and he was saying that Koreans and Japanese and Chinese are all one civilization and people - it is not so. It's more complicated than that.

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

The reason Europeans are having less children (outside of Russia) is because they are wealthy. Its the same reason Japan is seeing a limited demographic growth. Wealth and modernity creates a culture where people marry later and when they have kids have 1 or 2. It can also be a sign of consumer culture, more kids means more expenses and less money to buy a second car or summer home, etc.

Poor nations produce more children because they are not a consumer culture and more kids means more security for the family, etc.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   10:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#52)

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#10) (Edited)

But big ag and foreign countries exerted the pressure just like what's behind ninety percent of those regulations that keep the little guy from getting ahead but leaves the big guy 'grandfathered' in.

Can you say former Senate Majority leader,Republican Presidential candidate,and Archer-Daniels-Midland spokescritter/lobbyist "Viagra Bob" Dolt?

Folks,there ain't nothing new about Globalism. It's just out of the closet and wearing expensive custom suits now.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

Because they are artificial humans that happen to have tons of VERY real money to blackmail or otherwise buy politicians.

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade,there are damn few people who aren't blackmail candidates on one level or another,and none that are politicians. Even if the man or woman themselves are as pure as the driven snow in their personal lives,they have relatives they love and want to protect.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#56)

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade

You've got it down....no need...8D

Reality or insanity...U Pic 'Em

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   11:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, all, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#26)

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

Leftist icon George Soros is a prime example of this. His entire life is based on profiting from the misfortune and losses of others,starting back in the days when he was helping the Nazi's catch and exterminate his fellow Jews.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#27) (Edited)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Godwinson (#53)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family?

Because they share a common religious heritage? Borders? Economy? Currency? Appearance? DNA?

Other than that, they're totally different.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

One of THE dopiest comments you've ever made. Wow.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#59)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland, and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#59)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#59)

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Sneak, you're a great poster and one I agree with more often than not. That said, I just want to comment on this point:

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-14   11:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#61) (Edited)

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples. I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Liberator (#60) (Edited)

No European or American until the late 19th century used the term "Western civilization" and as WW1 and WW2 showed - it was a meaningless concept as far as binding people together.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mcgowanjm (#33)

Slave does not want Master.

ROFLMAO!

If history proves anything,it is that the majority of people want to be slaves in order to feel like they "belong" and are loved by a superior that cares enough about them to make all their decisions and protect them from reality.

Hell,just in recent history alone,Communism proves that,doesn't it,comrade? And Communism is just an example of one of the most recent religions.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Get Outta Dodge!, sneakypete (#63)

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

Well and properly stated...

But Pete realizes that. He's just bustin' balls.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Godwinson (#64)

Murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples.

What part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

Uh, you DO realize ALL men since the dawn of time have aspired to dominance by "wiping out" or "warring" against other people, right? That means even "natives" did so against other natives.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

I have been seduced by the Great Communist/Great Muslim Conspiracy because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Yeah,how "Nazi" of me.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#69)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man? Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: sneakypete (#68)

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

Of course the statist RINOs want the US destroyed - but in a "compassionate," simmering-boil kinda way.

However, 0bama's side of the ship is top-heavy with explosives and whose immediate goal is the death, destruction, and mayhem via the microwave.

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#54)

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

Fair enough. We are in agreement on this issue.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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