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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 126652
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I do work for Basic Rights Oregon ever since the fight against the Oregon Citizen's Alliance. I also have lived in Portland and got to know quite a few transgendered people while working at the Portland Saturday Market. One of the is chairwoman of the market board up there this year.
I am not going to find transgendered people for you to date. If you want that sort of contact, I'm sure there are dating services you can contact who can help you.
As to your question, no I don't. No I didn't and I figured you knew when someone was pulling your chain, guess not!!!! As it stands right now it is beyond his power to execute people, and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way... Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Homosexuals are very normal people who have a different preference for partners than you, that's it. The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference. Your problem is your unreasonable and malicious bigotry that just makes someone like you the afflicted one here.
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
"CHANGE" you can step in..... And the heterosexual data is ...?
From that article..... "Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
Actually, you are wrong. Pedophiles are into young, pre-adolescent children and often don't care what the gender of the young child is. Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
Then go find it and post it..... and by the way good luck finding one, especially a pro-gay or government source that is unbiased!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
Do you seriously believe the ability to procreate and propagate the species versus an inability to procreate and propagate the species is 'one minor difference'?
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else. Besides, the species has cuccessfully procreated and thrived with homosexuality as part of the human sexual makeup since there were humans, so why should that suddenly change now? Your statement makes as little sense as lamenting older man/woman couples past the age of child bearing, or infertile people having sex thus endangering the survival of the species. Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
Yup. I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him. IMHO,those children dodged a bullet when the pervert OD'ed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Not true. They vote Dim,and that's something a normal person would never do.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Wrong. They are VERY biased. I can't imagine any organization being more biased than them. Asking their opinion about homosexuality is like asking the NAACP their opinion on Affirmative Action. There just ain't no surprises to be had.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring. You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children and who make great adoptive parents and guardians for children needing a stable and protective home. By your logic sex should be illegal unless a couple can bear young. Which is a short step from criminalizing any sex not reproductive in nature.
I agree. I suspect the numbers are being "cooked" by the religious right to include adult homosexuals having sex with teen age homosexuals in order to make it look like homos prefer children. Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination. If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail. Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool.
Now that's sick.
You think I didn't know this? So? Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality, homosexuals often have had heterosexual relationships. They contribute all the time. And they give others the chance to contribute to the gene pool too. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Eugene, Oregon has a huge number of lesbian couples and it is not generally known for this large community. I have three women couples within two blocks of my place and this is not an uncommon thing here. There are many lesbians on the Eugene Police Force, some in high leadership positions, and they have been city councilwomen, and it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood.
I remember getting come ons from some gay men when i was much younger and it was no problem just saying no and have a great day anyway to them. People will be people. Older guys will hit on young girls and boys just legal age as gays and straights both manifest the unconsious desire to find that prime age of breeding partner in this society that values and worships youth too much in general. I have always valued my gay and lesbian friends. They don't need to have sex with me to be friends, any more then heterosexual women need to hit the kip with me to call me a pal.
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Homophobia is a crime in Eugene? I would think people who are homophobic (that is to say, people who have a fear of homosexuals and/or homosexuality would actively avoid being around homosexuals so as to avoid the stress caused by their phobia. You know, the way people with acrophobia avoid high places?). Why would that be illegal? Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power?
Numbered in the millions, I'm sure.
The social invisibility of successful women who have undergone gender corrections supports the notion that male-to-female transsexualism is extremely rare. However, intense transsexualism is not all that uncommon. Recent calculations indicate that the condition occurs in about 1 out of every 250 to 500 children born as boys, and that about 1 in every 2500 males in the U.S. has already undergone surgical sex reassignment*. Transsexualism is thus more than twice as prevalent as multiple sclerosis (MS), cerebral palsy or cleft lip/palate conditions. Out of what, 300 million? And how many of them will contribute positively to society or to the gene pool? Or even, how many can? Surely, if as you say, they exactly duplicate heterosexuals except for 'one minor difference', they can be no more successful than their heterosexual counterparts. And I think we both can agree, that is none too successful.
Mike you are screwed in the head. Pedophiles don't make good parents.
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
You are certainly welcome. Thank you for providing the site.
You are trying to lynch good parents and guardians as something they are not because of your bigotry against them. That little game kind of takes the wind out of the sails of any worry that your words on this are sane or based on reality. I can see it is frustrating to you to try to argue a point that has no substanse of reality to it. But that is your problem, not mine. Thus your attempt here to be abusive has no teeth to it.
Your reality ! Not the sane - moral world reality !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Oh no, the thread got a Boris on it.
Mike doesn't have a clue of what is right and wrong. Eugene Oregon has fried his brain.
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy. That's why men and women were made a certain way, to ensure the possibility of continuing the family bloodlines.... And this also explains why homosexuality is a deviant behavior contrary to some peoples popular beliefs/rants..... Just because someone displays a certain behavior doesn't mean that it's acceptable...
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I don't even own a Bible Skippy, but my wife has 2!!!!! So is that what makes me a Right Wing bible thumper???? Just your opinion and your opinion alone????? So why don't you find proof that I'm a Right Wing Bible thumper and post it.... That's like your opinion of the homosexuals being different from mine...no article saying what you think, just your opinion.... So here I will give you something else to chew on .... www.mega.nu/ ampp/baldwin_pedophilia_homosexuality.pdf Just remember everyone has an agenda, and not everybody agrees with that agenda, so post what you will..... that's if you can spare the time..... By the way my agenda for today is to work on the truck, clean out the pumpkin patch and ensure I don't assume room temperature..... what's yours???
"CHANGE" you can step in..... So what? Are you trying to claim people should only have sex when a pregnancy will be the result,and that this should be the law of the land?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail. The species would fail for two reasons. One is the majority of births were either the result of accidents or multiple incidents of intercourse. The ones that are the result of purposeful one time intercourse in order to reproduce are so low in number there wouldn't be enough of them to keep the human species from going extinct.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
I agree,and I honestly think that was his plan. After all,he named himself the "King of Pop",and named both of the white boys he bought "Prince". Ever heard of a King that didn't want offspring that looked like him?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSeems you have been putting a lot of thought into this.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#41)
"I want to see if you are "transgendered"."
#49. To: Skip Intro (#33)
(Edited)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#50. To: CZ82 (#49)
#51. To: CZ82 (#49)
Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
#52. To: Skip Intro (#51)
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#53. To: CZ82 (#52)
#54. To: Skip Intro (#53)
And the heterosexual data is ...?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#55. To: CZ82 (#54)
#56. To: CZ82 (#54)
"Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
#57. To: Skip Intro (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#58. To: CZ82 (#57)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference.
#60. To: Sebastian (#59)
#61. To: Sebastian (#46)
It's also about making the fantasy a reality.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Homosexuals are very normal people
#63. To: Skip Intro, CZ82 (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source,
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
#65. To: Sebastian (#64)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children
#68. To: sneakypete (#61)
I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him.
#69. To: Sebastian (#67)
(Edited)
"If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination."
"Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool".
#70. To: sneakypete (#66)
"Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens."
#71. To: Sebastian (#68)
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry.
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
many more women listed in above link
#74. To: Sebastian (#73)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here. These numbers are much larger than commonly assumed by the public because a veil of invisibility hides the true nature and extent of the transsexual condition. Especially hidden are large numbers of highly successful women who have fully transitioned. The reason is that most successful women live in "stealth mode" or are "woodworked". They leave their pasts behind and hide in plain sight in order to avoid social stigmatization and get on with their new lives. Their personal successes insure that they assimilate and blend right into society.
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#74)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else.
#77. To: Sebastian (#75)
#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
#79. To: A K A Stone (#76)
(Edited)
"Pedophiles don't make good parents."
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
based on reality.
#81. To: BorisY (#80)
#82. To: BorisY (#80)
#83. To: Sebastian (#64)
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#84. To: Skip Intro (#58)
No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#85. To: Sebastian (#64)
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
#86. To: Sebastian (#67)
If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail.
#87. To: Sebastian (#68)
Now that's sick.
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