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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 122416
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#29. To: A K A Stone (#25)
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I'm not real comfortable with that either.
I believe he is talking about the various hormone replacements required, most of which have known cancer causing abilities.
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco or do a simular trade off of some risk for a more satifying life. Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them. There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway, So thismakes the risk far smaller then it is if someone self medicated with purchases over the Internet. And all the surgeries require help with adjustments into the preferred gender role. The protocols and safeguards to make sure that only people with what the DMS IV called 'Gender Dysphoria' transition as well established and functions well. Anyone can change their name legally to better match their gender identification in any state and change the gender marker on the driver's licenses and other ID in most states along with doing that. Once someone settles into being who they identify as, they should be left alone and have their rights and social status protected.
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you? As to your question, no I don't.
So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Good. So do I.
What about people who fuck with little kids so much that they have an operation to change their gender? Do the courts need to be involved in the execution, or can they just be skipped because they might not agree with you?
Maybe you missed my last question. So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Do you? And since you called for the execution of the people who fed their kid drugs, what should happen to these two scumbag lowlifes?
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot. I like this definition. 2. any person in power who acts tyrannically That definition fits Obama. He is attacking Libya without congressional authorization. That is just one of many examples.
As to your question, no I don't. Of course the courts should be involved. The legislature should change the law to make it reflect what I said above. Comprende?
Mike that is really dumb. Tobacco is worse then some freaks brainwashing an 8 year old? Damn your evil.
What are you trying to say here Mike? Are you coming out of the closet or something? That's what it sounds like.
You seem to know a lot about this Mike. Hey remember that pic you used to post of yourself. Can you post it here. I want to see if you are "transgendered". Don't tell me until I see the picture. I want to guess. Thanks.
Seems you have been putting a lot of thought into this.
Mike you're goofy as hell. Your point of view is so far out there. I can't help but laugh at you. I like you though. Just think your views are screwed up.
Says the asshole who supports child murder when the perps are religious nut cases, just like you.
2. any person in power who acts tyrannically That definition fits Obama. The truth must lay somewhere between the people who think he's a tyrant and those who think he's a compromising wimp. I think Obama is all things to all people.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It's also about making the fantasy a reality. Imagine their thrill at castrating an innocent male. I bet they keep the severed penis as a trophy.
I do work for Basic Rights Oregon ever since the fight against the Oregon Citizen's Alliance. I also have lived in Portland and got to know quite a few transgendered people while working at the Portland Saturday Market. One of the is chairwoman of the market board up there this year.
I am not going to find transgendered people for you to date. If you want that sort of contact, I'm sure there are dating services you can contact who can help you.
As to your question, no I don't. No I didn't and I figured you knew when someone was pulling your chain, guess not!!!! As it stands right now it is beyond his power to execute people, and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way... Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Homosexuals are very normal people who have a different preference for partners than you, that's it. The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference. Your problem is your unreasonable and malicious bigotry that just makes someone like you the afflicted one here.
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
"CHANGE" you can step in..... And the heterosexual data is ...?
From that article..... "Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
Actually, you are wrong. Pedophiles are into young, pre-adolescent children and often don't care what the gender of the young child is. Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
Then go find it and post it..... and by the way good luck finding one, especially a pro-gay or government source that is unbiased!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
Do you seriously believe the ability to procreate and propagate the species versus an inability to procreate and propagate the species is 'one minor difference'?
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else. Besides, the species has cuccessfully procreated and thrived with homosexuality as part of the human sexual makeup since there were humans, so why should that suddenly change now? Your statement makes as little sense as lamenting older man/woman couples past the age of child bearing, or infertile people having sex thus endangering the survival of the species. Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
Yup. I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him. IMHO,those children dodged a bullet when the pervert OD'ed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Not true. They vote Dim,and that's something a normal person would never do.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Wrong. They are VERY biased. I can't imagine any organization being more biased than them. Asking their opinion about homosexuality is like asking the NAACP their opinion on Affirmative Action. There just ain't no surprises to be had.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring. You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children and who make great adoptive parents and guardians for children needing a stable and protective home. By your logic sex should be illegal unless a couple can bear young. Which is a short step from criminalizing any sex not reproductive in nature.
I agree. I suspect the numbers are being "cooked" by the religious right to include adult homosexuals having sex with teen age homosexuals in order to make it look like homos prefer children. Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination. If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail. Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool.
Now that's sick.
You think I didn't know this? So? Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality, homosexuals often have had heterosexual relationships. They contribute all the time. And they give others the chance to contribute to the gene pool too. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Eugene, Oregon has a huge number of lesbian couples and it is not generally known for this large community. I have three women couples within two blocks of my place and this is not an uncommon thing here. There are many lesbians on the Eugene Police Force, some in high leadership positions, and they have been city councilwomen, and it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood.
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#30. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#28)
I notice is sexist nature comes through when he talks about the transformation physically from male to female is a process of "stunting someone's growth."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
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#33. To: CZ82 (#27)
If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it.....
#34. To: A K A Stone (#25)
#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#37. To: lucysmom (#31)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#38. To: Skip Intro (#33)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them.
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway,
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Anyone can change their name legally to better match their gender identification in any state and change the gender marker on the driver's licenses and other ID in most states along with doing that.
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Once someone settles into being who they identify as, they should be left alone and have their rights and social status protected.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
#45. To: A K A Stone (#37)
I like this definition.
#46. To: sneakypete (#8)
And let's get real. This is about politics with these lesbians as it is sexuality. I doubt they can even separate the two.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Seems you have been putting a lot of thought into this.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#41)
"I want to see if you are "transgendered"."
#49. To: Skip Intro (#33)
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I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#50. To: CZ82 (#49)
#51. To: CZ82 (#49)
Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
#52. To: Skip Intro (#51)
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#53. To: CZ82 (#52)
#54. To: Skip Intro (#53)
And the heterosexual data is ...?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#55. To: CZ82 (#54)
#56. To: CZ82 (#54)
"Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
#57. To: Skip Intro (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#58. To: CZ82 (#57)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference.
#60. To: Sebastian (#59)
#61. To: Sebastian (#46)
It's also about making the fantasy a reality.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Homosexuals are very normal people
#63. To: Skip Intro, CZ82 (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source,
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
#65. To: Sebastian (#64)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children
#68. To: sneakypete (#61)
I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him.
#69. To: Sebastian (#67)
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"If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination."
"Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool".
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