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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 122188
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#11. To: Sebastian (#0)
Two moms. No he doesn't have two moms. You can only have one mom. By the way that isn't a picture of a family. It is a picture of two sex perverts destroying a little boy. Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? If he did he would be pissing off almost everyone who voted for him.......
Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too? Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is? Personally I could care less about Cher and her daughter, they can be as messed up in the head as they want..... They can also keep their problems to themselves and deal with them without soliciting tolerance/approval/pity from others!!!! That right there is the reason why most people don't care/like gays.... As far as the governor executing people well it's up to him or her if they let court mandated justice take it's course, or pardon the offender..... If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it..... So let me ask you a question, do think think pedophilia, necrophilia and pederasty should be socially acceptable like homosexuality????
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you? As to your question, no I don't.
As to your question, no I don't. No I didn't and I figured you knew when someone was pulling your chain, guess not!!!! As it stands right now it is beyond his power to execute people, and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way... Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
Homosexuals are very normal people who have a different preference for partners than you, that's it. The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference. Your problem is your unreasonable and malicious bigotry that just makes someone like you the afflicted one here.
Do you seriously believe the ability to procreate and propagate the species versus an inability to procreate and propagate the species is 'one minor difference'?
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else. Besides, the species has cuccessfully procreated and thrived with homosexuality as part of the human sexual makeup since there were humans, so why should that suddenly change now? Your statement makes as little sense as lamenting older man/woman couples past the age of child bearing, or infertile people having sex thus endangering the survival of the species. Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring. You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children and who make great adoptive parents and guardians for children needing a stable and protective home. By your logic sex should be illegal unless a couple can bear young. Which is a short step from criminalizing any sex not reproductive in nature.
If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination. If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail. Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool.
You think I didn't know this? So? Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality, homosexuals often have had heterosexual relationships. They contribute all the time. And they give others the chance to contribute to the gene pool too. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Eugene, Oregon has a huge number of lesbian couples and it is not generally known for this large community. I have three women couples within two blocks of my place and this is not an uncommon thing here. There are many lesbians on the Eugene Police Force, some in high leadership positions, and they have been city councilwomen, and it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood.
Homophobia is a crime in Eugene? I would think people who are homophobic (that is to say, people who have a fear of homosexuals and/or homosexuality would actively avoid being around homosexuals so as to avoid the stress caused by their phobia. You know, the way people with acrophobia avoid high places?). Why would that be illegal? Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power?
Sounds like the leftist Thought Police are in firm control there,doesn't it? The good news is they are more than happy to ALLOW you to have all the Free Speech THEY THINK YOU NEED. Typical of the hypocrisy of the left. Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power? I suspect some are more than happy to pay extra for it.
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit. But it is also an old logging and mill center at the base of an agricultural valley. THe old can clash with the more recent layers of culture here. We have an independent police oversight board and the citizens actually have better oversight of the police here then in some places. It's like any other place with things that are good like the law against discrimination, and bad things like drunken student riots on campus on Halloween.
Your anti constitutional beliefs are showing again. What do you have against free speech and free association?
The U.S. Constitution protects minorities against the whims and caprice of majorities. I If you associate and organize to harrass and harm people because you don't like what two consenting adults do in the pricacy of their bedroom, it is you who go against the spirit and purpose of the U.S. Constitution. Free speech works because people are respmnsible for their words. So if I organize to harrass the dog shit out of people for the purpose of stealing their social status, housing or job because I hate say blue eyed people, I would be jus as wrong as someone doing the same for a triviality concerning the private relationships of people. Conspiring to do criminal harm to people andto destroy them is not protected by the First Amendment any more then yelling fire in a crowded theater is. It is you who have the disease of hatred and intolerence. Twisting the Constitution to serve your problems concerning hatred and immaturity gets you no where. Homosexuals have the right to speak freely about who they are and their relationships, and they have the right to form associations to fight haters and baiters like you. Why do you hate the Constitution so much you would deny them these rights if you could? And it's strange to see someone who will change someone else's words and replace them with twisted words of hatred and intolerence, which is what you do to the people who own the intellectual rights to a piece and you change so much as the title for it they have given it. I would say the first thig you need to do is to stop stealing the words of another and replacing them with your own. Because on that count alone you have no room to lecture anyone else about the First Amendment.
Yes,it does. It ALSO protects the majority from the whims and caprices of minorities. Somehow you and the other leftists always seem to overlook THAT. Probably because not a single one of you has the guts to look at the horrors of a democracy because democracy is the root of your foolish belief system. Conspiring to do criminal harm to people andto destroy them is not protected by the First Amendment any more then yelling fire in a crowded theater is. You don't believe that,or you wouldn't support shit like the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,busing,minority preferences in hiring and promotions,quotas,affirmative action,etc,etc,etc. Twisting the Constitution to serve your problems concerning hatred and immaturity gets you no where. No,it doesn't. Why do you do it?
Somehow you and the other leftists always seem to overlook THAT." A small religious minority is more in danger of a large one, and the Constitution addresses that. The majorities often have more then enough means to defend themselves and to flourish. The Constitution in this sense just levels the playing feild and makes things fairer for all. I support and have supported Civil Right Legislation, and preferences were meant to be a temperary measure to help make up for some of the injustices of the past. You may not agree with this point of view, which is your right. I also support further legislation to help protect people against bigotry directed at homosexuals, transgendered folks and other people who get turned into wedge issues. And that sort of support is not limited to people on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a great place for righties to reside too.
Nice spin. All those words and you STILL manage to ignore the rights of the majority while still defending the special un-Constitutional "rights" of minorities. DOES the majority have the same rights as minorities or not,and if they don't HOW can you justify special laws promoting women when they are a majority? I support and have supported Civil Right Legislation, and preferences were meant to be a temperary measure to help make up for some of the injustices of the past. Uh,huh. I suspect those laws will end once whites become a minority,since they were never about anything other than holding whites back from the start. I guess you feel good about that? I also support further legislation to help protect people against bigotry directed at homosexuals, transgendered folks and other people who get turned into wedge issues. M0RE leftist bullshit. They are ALREADY protected by the Constitution. What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them. And that sort of support is not limited to people on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a great place for righties to reside too. WRONG! Those of us on the right support EQUAL treatment for all citizens,but do NOT support "special rights". You can NOT give one class of citizens special rights without trampling on the rights of the other citizens.
Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.
"Us on the real right..."???? Give me a bleeping break! There is NO way you can be a religious freak and be a right-winger. Christianity INVENTED leftism,and Marx recognized it as his greatest competition.
You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.
LOL! There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights. Mussolini,Hitler,Stalin,Mao,and Castro all agree with you,not me.
You have the root of his problem; an addiction to hatred. Stone has dehumanized in his mind anyone who doesn't love in the party line of his version of religion. Even someone who is beyond any doubt a conservative, if you refuse to dehumanize someone he hates like they were a demon and a different species. He is hard to put up with. I feel sorry for him, but that only goes so far. I have pretty much had enough of his crap. If people like yo were not here, I wouldn't be here anymore at all. He did the same crap in 4UM he does here, but he can't play respectful or nice, so he gets banned most places because he is so hard to tolerate. If he didn't have his own pop stand here, the poor tyke would be virtually without a forum to go to. When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl. Yiu see, I was reflexting my Mom's disease of bigotry and hatred. When I got older I started reading books by Richard Wright, John Howard Griffin, and many other accounts of people who triumphed over the hatred of bigotry and I healed. There is one man I can never get his face out of my head from my Army days. He was a friend who worked in PAC and was one of those typewriter commandos who actually went the extra mile to searve people well who needed administration actions, record and other work done. He had been promoted ahead of his peers and I got to kow him well enough to be invited over to his trailer in Raeford, N.C. It was eye opening to have a group of friends like that who helped distroy my last remaning bigotry toward homosexual people. No one in his circle who were gay ever went beyond checking where my head was at and my sexuality was very much respected. I came to realize my dislike of gays was also an affactation. It remained long after I should of known better then to hate because like other hetreosexual boys and men, I absolutely did not want any harrassment or mistake made about my sexuality. I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely. I no longer hare who speeps with who as long as they are consenting, and not related biologically too close. He was outted by someone who picked the lock on his personal briefcase and eavesdropped on personal mail he had in it from his boyfriend. I remember seeing him after he was forced to move back into the barracks, was busted to E-1 and was bullied unmercify by the baiters and haters with mindsets like stone. He didn't deserve what he got, and it made a huge impression on me. Which is why when the idiot here tried to bait me as possiblt being gay or whatever, I ignore him knowing he's responsible to handle his own hatred, and it can't infect me or hurt me anymore. Now the only time I hate a gay guy or lesbian is if they steal, lie, or are a general scoundrel and SOB anyway. If they function well in society, have a good job and care about their community at large, then what they do in their own bedroom does not bother me in the least. Whom they love ain't my affair or business. Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. And one can be conservative and gay or lesbian or not bigotted against them. Maybe he'll wake up and realize this one day. I sure hope so, but I'm sure glad I don't have to put up with the SOB live and in person in my home city.
Mike, I admire your peace and love approach to life....well, mostly. You mean well. HOWEVER, your hatred of Tea Party/Conservative folk is your one exemption of your Life's Rule. Oh btw - homosexuals ARE different than other folks, and so are transvestites and transgendered people. VERY different. Moreover, your acceptance and blind obedience for the queer militancy movement is obvious. Yes, there ARE militants and "enforcers" *of* that movement as well. Even you inferred some kind of stereotypical "southern sheriff-like" retribution in this thread for those who demonstrate "homophobic" behavior in Eugene. What an effed up place it must be. Geez.... Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. The gay militancy and entitlement is what Stone hates. I can relate. WTH must we be compelled to "tolerate" gay militancy? The gay Nazis don't want "tolerance," they *demand* respect. Nope, ain't happening. You unfortunately support this retributive war, hatred and entitlement by gays - which is the same retributive war, hatred and entitlement ALL the "minority" tribes and groups demand these days. The focal point of their guns and convenient bogeyman "oppressor" of their respective fascism is white/Christian/Euro/hetero society. This is about....POWER. Not equality. NOT "rights."
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHere is Tammy with her mothers
#21. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
#23. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#21)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this????
#27. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too?
#33. To: CZ82 (#27)
If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it.....
#49. To: Skip Intro (#33)
(Edited)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
#50. To: CZ82 (#49)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference.
#60. To: Sebastian (#59)
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
#65. To: Sebastian (#64)
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children
#69. To: Sebastian (#67)
(Edited)
"If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination."
"Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool".
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry.
#89. To: Sebastian, Ferret Mike, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#72)
Homophobia is a crime in Eugene?
#124. To: sneakypete (#89)
"Sounds like the leftist Thought Police are in firm control there,doesn't it?"
#125. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
law against discrimination,
#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)
"Your anti constitutional beliefs are showing again. What do you have against free speech and free association?"
#136. To: Ferret Mike (#128)
The U.S. Constitution protects minorities against the whims and caprice of majorities.
#144. To: sneakypete (#136)
"Yes, it does. It ALSO protects the majority from the whims and caprices of minorities.
You don't believe that,or you wouldn't support shit like the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,busing,minority preferences in hiring and promotions,quotas,affirmative action,etc,etc,etc.
#148. To: Ferret Mike (#144)
A small religious minority is more in danger of a large one, and the Constitution addresses that. The majorities often have more then enough means to defend themselves and to flourish. The Constitution in this sense just levels the playing feild and makes things fairer for all.
#149. To: sneakypete (#148)
What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them.
#151. To: A K A Stone (#149)
Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.
#153. To: sneakypete (#151)
#159. To: A K A Stone (#153)
You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.
#162. To: sneakypete (#159)
(Edited)
"There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights."
#171. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#162)
I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.
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