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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 126659
Comments: 212

  • 'As soon as we let him put on a dress his personality changed to a very happy little girl thrilled to be alive'

A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.

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Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment

Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment

Enlarge   No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers say that they have not forced their son to become a girl

No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl

They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'.

Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl.

His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier.

The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren.

Thomas Lobel
Thomas Lobel

PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess'

Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers

Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers

Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.

He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.

A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras.

Tammy Lobel
Tammy Lobel

Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear

'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN.

This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.

The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".'

Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno

Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno

But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult.

His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.

 

If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.

Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.

Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi

Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi

San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.

The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.

Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.

Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.

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#147. To: Ferret Mike (#143)

Must be Portland,then. One of the statues they have is of an American doctor from Portland that was Stalin's personal physician,and who went to Russia to help fight the Revolution there. He was played by Warren Beatty in the movie "Reds".

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-03   19:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Ferret Mike (#144)

A small religious minority is more in danger of a large one, and the Constitution addresses that. The majorities often have more then enough means to defend themselves and to flourish. The Constitution in this sense just levels the playing feild and makes things fairer for all.

Nice spin. All those words and you STILL manage to ignore the rights of the majority while still defending the special un-Constitutional "rights" of minorities.

DOES the majority have the same rights as minorities or not,and if they don't HOW can you justify special laws promoting women when they are a majority?

I support and have supported Civil Right Legislation, and preferences were meant to be a temperary measure to help make up for some of the injustices of the past.

Uh,huh. I suspect those laws will end once whites become a minority,since they were never about anything other than holding whites back from the start.

I guess you feel good about that?

I also support further legislation to help protect people against bigotry directed at homosexuals, transgendered folks and other people who get turned into wedge issues.

M0RE leftist bullshit. They are ALREADY protected by the Constitution. What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them.

And that sort of support is not limited to people on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a great place for righties to reside too.

WRONG! Those of us on the right support EQUAL treatment for all citizens,but do NOT support "special rights". You can NOT give one class of citizens special rights without trampling on the rights of the other citizens.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-03   19:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: sneakypete (#148)

What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them.

Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-03   20:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: sneakypete (#148) (Edited)

HOW can you justify special laws promoting women when they are a majority?

I've followed this thread with interest and, at times amusement as you fall over each other trying to "define" words.

The "majority" to the Framers had nothing to do with raw numbers and everything to do with WHO COULD CONTROL THE LAWS AND THE LEGAL SYSTEM. It's why they rejected democracy, or "majority" rule, and opted for a system of both proportionate representation - the House - and disproportionate, yet co-equal, representation - The Senate as the means for law making.

Our whole system was designed to be one of consensus in which the majority would prevail WITHOUT trampling or diminishing the rights of the minority.

Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail.

And while I can accept the argument that the Framers never anticipated a society in which gays and lesbians could live openly, they were wise enough to craft a system that allowed FUTURE generations to determine what laws, protections and immunities were necessary to their CONTEMPORANEOUS needs.

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war  posted on  2011-10-03   20:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: A K A Stone (#149)

Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.

"Us on the real right..."???? Give me a bleeping break! There is NO way you can be a religious freak and be a right-winger. Christianity INVENTED leftism,and Marx recognized it as his greatest competition.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-03   23:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: war (#150)

Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail.

So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-04   0:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: sneakypete (#151)

You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-04   6:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: sneakypete (#152)

Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom. Lefty.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-04   7:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: A K A Stone (#154)

Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom.

If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!!

I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!

"CHANGE" you can step in..... My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-10-04   7:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: war (#141)

You made the statement

Indeed I did,dick.

Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.

Get someone to read it to you, dick.

Then find someone to explain it to you, dick.

Sebastian  posted on  2011-10-04   8:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Sebastian (#156) (Edited)

Indeed I did,dick.

And it makes as much sense now as it did then, Vag. None.

Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.

What about it, Vag?

Get someone to read it to you, dick.

Some of us can read on our own, Vag.

Then find someone to explain it to you, dick.

And some of us can understand what it is that we read, Vag.

Are you going to get around to answering the original question, Vag:

Special protections from what? Being legislated against?

PS: ENDA isn't law.

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--GW Bush

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war  posted on  2011-10-04   8:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: CZ82 (#155) (Edited)

If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!!

I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!

Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-04   10:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: A K A Stone (#153)

You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.

LOL!

There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights.

Mussolini,Hitler,Stalin,Mao,and Castro all agree with you,not me.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-04   10:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: A K A Stone (#154)

Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom. Lefty.

Find out what leftism is,and then get back with me,comrade.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-04   10:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#154)

Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom.

Really? I thought you guys were all for going back to the era of chamber pots.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-04   10:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: sneakypete (#159) (Edited)

"There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights."

You have the root of his problem; an addiction to hatred. Stone has dehumanized in his mind anyone who doesn't love in the party line of his version of religion.

Even someone who is beyond any doubt a conservative, if you refuse to dehumanize someone he hates like they were a demon and a different species.

He is hard to put up with. I feel sorry for him, but that only goes so far. I have pretty much had enough of his crap.

If people like yo were not here, I wouldn't be here anymore at all.

He did the same crap in 4UM he does here, but he can't play respectful or nice, so he gets banned most places because he is so hard to tolerate. If he didn't have his own pop stand here, the poor tyke would be virtually without a forum to go to.

When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl.

Yiu see, I was reflexting my Mom's disease of bigotry and hatred. When I got older I started reading books by Richard Wright, John Howard Griffin, and many other accounts of people who triumphed over the hatred of bigotry and I healed.

There is one man I can never get his face out of my head from my Army days. He was a friend who worked in PAC and was one of those typewriter commandos who actually went the extra mile to searve people well who needed administration actions, record and other work done.

He had been promoted ahead of his peers and I got to kow him well enough to be invited over to his trailer in Raeford, N.C. It was eye opening to have a group of friends like that who helped distroy my last remaning bigotry toward homosexual people.

No one in his circle who were gay ever went beyond checking where my head was at and my sexuality was very much respected. I came to realize my dislike of gays was also an affactation. It remained long after I should of known better then to hate because like other hetreosexual boys and men, I absolutely did not want any harrassment or mistake made about my sexuality.

I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.

I no longer hare who speeps with who as long as they are consenting, and not related biologically too close.

He was outted by someone who picked the lock on his personal briefcase and eavesdropped on personal mail he had in it from his boyfriend.

I remember seeing him after he was forced to move back into the barracks, was busted to E-1 and was bullied unmercify by the baiters and haters with mindsets like stone.

He didn't deserve what he got, and it made a huge impression on me.

Which is why when the idiot here tried to bait me as possiblt being gay or whatever, I ignore him knowing he's responsible to handle his own hatred, and it can't infect me or hurt me anymore.

Now the only time I hate a gay guy or lesbian is if they steal, lie, or are a general scoundrel and SOB anyway. If they function well in society, have a good job and care about their community at large, then what they do in their own bedroom does not bother me in the least.

Whom they love ain't my affair or business.

Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. And one can be conservative and gay or lesbian or not bigotted against them.

Maybe he'll wake up and realize this one day. I sure hope so, but I'm sure glad I don't have to put up with the SOB live and in person in my home city.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-04   11:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Ferret Mike, AKAStone, ALL (#162)

Whom they love ain't my affair or business.

And there it is. All the other words you wrote were filler,and the ones above are the hard core of reality.

Beyond that,it makes not one bit of difference at all who anyone,including you,I,or Stone,likes or dislikes because ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. MY rights are NOT dependent of your approval,any more than YOUR rights are dependent on MY approval. If they did,they would be permissions,not rights.

It ain't even about liking or hating someone or even liking and hating their politics because all that is irrelevant. None of us are required to like anybody despite the PC police being out in full force everywhere you go trying to insist we all MUST think the same.

What we are ALL required to do by the US Constitution is to accept that other American citizens have the same rights WE have,and you have to be a total fucking idiot to not be able to recognize the indisputable FACT that if we ain't all free,NONE of us are free. ANY government that has the authority to tell homosexuals what kind of sex they CAN'T have also has the authority to tell thee and me what kind of sex we MUST have.

It boggles the imagination that people can't see something that blindingly obvious. It ain't like it hasn't be proven over and over all through history.

Probably the most famous example is "I didn't protest when they came to take the Jews away because I wasn't a Jew......".

Whether some people like it or not,we are all passengers on the same boat. With all that implies.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-04   12:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: war (#157)

Are you going to get around to answering the original question, Vag:

Take it or leave it, dick.

Sebastian  posted on  2011-10-04   12:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Sebastian (#164)

Take it or leave it, dick.

Chuckles...PMS, Vag?

You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what? That like any other Snappin' Gyro you talk a lot while really saying nothing?

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"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
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war  posted on  2011-10-04   12:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: war (#165)

You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what?

Suffer from ADD, dick?

Focus, dick.

You just may be able to figure it out, dick.

But whether you can or can't, dick, that's all you get.

Sebastian  posted on  2011-10-04   13:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Sebastian (#166)

Suffer from ADD, dick?

I'm not the Vag here, Vag.

Focus, dick.

For some reason "focus" and "dick" seems to be an intuitively interactive dynamic for you...

You just may be able to figure it out, dick.

I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   13:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: war (#167)

I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...

Might be time for you just to pack up your diddy-bag and head on off to another thread, dick.

You're starting to drool all over this one, dick.

Sebastian  posted on  2011-10-04   13:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Sebastian (#168)

I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   13:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Ferret Mike (#162)

When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl.

I'm with ya, dude.

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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-10-04   14:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#162)

I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.

Mike, I admire your peace and love approach to life....well, mostly. You mean well. HOWEVER, your hatred of Tea Party/Conservative folk is your one exemption of your Life's Rule. Oh btw - homosexuals ARE different than other folks, and so are transvestites and transgendered people. VERY different.

Moreover, your acceptance and blind obedience for the queer militancy movement is obvious. Yes, there ARE militants and "enforcers" *of* that movement as well. Even you inferred some kind of stereotypical "southern sheriff-like" retribution in this thread for those who demonstrate "homophobic" behavior in Eugene. What an effed up place it must be. Geez....

Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith.

The gay militancy and entitlement is what Stone hates. I can relate. WTH must we be compelled to "tolerate" gay militancy? The gay Nazis don't want "tolerance," they *demand* respect. Nope, ain't happening.

You unfortunately support this retributive war, hatred and entitlement by gays - which is the same retributive war, hatred and entitlement ALL the "minority" tribes and groups demand these days. The focal point of their guns and convenient bogeyman "oppressor" of their respective fascism is white/Christian/Euro/hetero society.

This is about....POWER. Not equality. NOT "rights."

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Biff Tannen, Ferret Mike (#170)

Gawd...lol. What a dysfunction pair.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Sebastian, war (#156)

Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.

Get someone to read it to you, dick.

Then find someone to explain it to you, dick.

You've nailed in in this thread; War and his selectively-tolerant Leftist brethren aren't not exactly interested in the truth of the matter. He and they are just stoking the fires of their anarchical socialist wet-dream uprising of misfits, freaks, and mutants. ANY-thing that bolsters their warped vision of a total cluster-FUBAR America.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: mininggold, CZ82, e_type_jag (#158)

Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?

mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET

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"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Liberator (#173)

As was pointed out ENDA isn't law.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   14:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#124)

Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.

IOW, it's a socialist, parasitic diseased cuckoo's nest of mental cases, poly-sexuals, new age freaks, and anti-family misfits who publicly urinate on the normal, traditional, and sane.

How does a Eugene resident remain sane in that environment?

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Liberator (#176)

Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   14:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Liberator (#176)

No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.

We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage.

I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well.

I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from.

And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.

So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be.

If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-04   14:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: sneakypete (#152)

War: "Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail."

So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently?

HA! This must be one of those 0bama-moments....sumpin like "elections have consequences"....

HALLELUJAH!! The Dim-Rat voter tsunami of the dead and monochromatic brain-dead socialists is about to steamroll their (cough, hack) oppressors.

God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   14:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: war (#177) (Edited)

"Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY..."

Of course you are only free if you conform, comply, submit, and don't bend, fold or mutilate.

There should be a nice, neat box for everything, and they must be placed in exactly the right spot. (SIC)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-04   14:53:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Liberator (#179)

Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   14:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Ferret Mike, Liberator (#180)

Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.

HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-10-04   14:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: war (#182)

He would be like the occasional conserva-nutzie who moves to the Whit and is horrified that he can't erect a tall fence to block the view of say a lesbian couple's well kept hope with it's solar panels and a Volt car in the driveway across the street from him. (horrors!)

He would go to the planning department and rail agains the socialistic people who like neighborhoods, not boxed properties.

He would call the police in panic the first time he saw a topless lesbian couple talking at Scobert park and embellish his call to 911 with a detail or two like he saw them kiss a couple of times too.

They would politely ask if these women were doing anything illegal and then try to gently explain being topless is not a crime in Eugene.

this would burst one of his blood vessels if he was one of these folks who have moved in and either learned to blend in in a friendly way, or to wind up moving to another part of town.... like the bethel or North Eugene -- which actually has *GASP!* gated communities great for keeping us safer by keeping nuts who live there in one place off by themselves.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-04   15:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Ferret Mike (#178)

No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.

Is that where the area's normal people live? :-) Has there been any talk of walling off their town border?

We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage.

But collectively the city's goobermint no doubt is infested and controlled by the birds-of-a-feather oddballs and anti-Christians, thus holding normal citizens hostage to the whims of their oddball constituency.

Though your city has a right to govern as it sees fit (as long as it's governed constitutionally), I feel remorse for families who've resided there for generations.

I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well...I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from.

Michael, I don't believe it's a "hatred" at all; It's a resentment of queer folk who *demand* acceptance and respect of their sexual status and overt/public demonstrations of affection. Ain't happening, bro.

And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.

A "ghetto"? No, not quite. An "enclave" was more like it. And as you know, most queer people are far more wealthy than straight people. And more "educated." Moreover, we both know queers are very committed to hiring and blatantly favoring their own - just like the other "minority" tribes and cults. This to the point of most likely violating EEOC laws (which we also know would NEVER be enforced against gay/black/Latino bosses)

So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be.

Many stereotypes happen to be true, Mike. FWIW, I'm glad you are happy in Eugene. But it is what it is.

If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.

The gentrification phenomena has taken place in several NJ towns near NYC and along the Jersey coastal towns. It's a good thing IMO. As to Stone's cousin/uncle hanging at Tiny's, give 'em a break. He's now an oppressed "minority" who's merely misunderstood and looking for respect and acceptance of his straight lifestyle.

;-p

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   15:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: war, Ferret Mike (#182) (Edited)

HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...

Are they *your* kind of people?

Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   15:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: war (#181)

Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...

I tried to chuckle....but it just wasn't happening.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   15:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: war (#177)

Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...

Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like. Nobody's stopping you from wearing your lycra-spandex jumpsuit with a pair of 5" stillettos...

But just don't demand the rest of us pretend your sporting a black strap-on on your head is "just an accessory."

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-04   15:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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