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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 122172
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#1. To: Sebastian (#0)
What's wrong with that?
------------------------------------- Uh-HUH. They didn't physically force this kid to try and be a girl, but their natural inclination (to be sick bitches) definitely had something to do with it....... This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children. NOTHING will alter the fact that they're defective, and will try to justify and explain away that defect, even to little kids who have no clue what these sickos are REALLY about. CPS needs to be called on these bitches, and they need to spend some quality time in the state pen. UNBELIEVABLE.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So far I've only got the second dumbest comment on the thread.
------------------------------------- LOL. Another attempt at wit, eh? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 "What's wrong with that?" 'Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of FIXED. Gawd, what a three-dollar bill. Say "Hi" to your lesbian Mommy, yukon.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
But at least the two mutant freaks aren't racist or homophobic. *eyeball roll*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Lame. As usual.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Mostly because all he heard at home was how everybody with a penis is evil,and their penises should be cut off. Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Big brother Edgar looks like a fruitcake to me. And let's get real. This is about politics with these lesbians as it is sexuality. I doubt they can even separate the two.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Queers shouldn't be allowed to kidnap little boys and pretend that it is an adoption. What they are doing is an abomination. They should be prosecuted and executed. Maybe this is why God said kill the homos in Leviticus. These queers are fucking up the next generation. Queers have no morals and don't know right from wrong. Or intentionally choose wrong every time. I would never hire a faggot.
They are not married. Only men and women can be married.
Two moms. No he doesn't have two moms. You can only have one mom. By the way that isn't a picture of a family. It is a picture of two sex perverts destroying a little boy. Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
If you defend this you are a worthless freak piece of trash. Do you defend it or do you have some sanity?
Gee I wonder why. Those women are evil. Is Jerry Brown going to prosecute and execute them?
They belong to the greatest religion in the world and were married by a rabbi. Who are you to question the actions of G-d's chosen ones.
The guy isn't a rabbi. He is a pretend Rabbi. Do you think that these two evil queers are having an affect on this young boy? Do you think it is a good affect? Do you think queers should be allowed to adopt? What is it like 3am where you are at?
HILARIOUS... And my first read through has you at about #6 now...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Nothing, (speaking Seinfeldianly, of course).
Homosexuals don't adopt. They recruit.
Do you think that these two evil queers are having an affect on this young boy? Do you think it is a good affect? Do you think queers should be allowed to adopt? What is it like 3am where you are at? It was 4am, so what? But still too early to reply with all the conjecture you need to get your day started.
One recruitment at a time.
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? If he did he would be pissing off almost everyone who voted for him.......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Who made you judge of how much someone is worth based on their opinions? You have to start talking sane to be talked back to with the same respect and faith in the notion that you are sane too if we are to go anywhere in this topic. You run your forum with the notion that it is a venue to lynch whatever particular people you don't like, yet you wear a hair shirt when 4UM bans you because of your pompous attitude about some commonly shared opinions most the posting body have in common. That is another issue you should clear up before talking this deep about politics or social issues with me. Your hypocracy is unbecoming on you. Hypocracy and hatefully trying o browbeat; you never cease to amuse me, Stone. But you never impress me.
Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too? Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
Skip you are one dumb fucker. I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth. Those cunts should be hung in public to make an example out of someone who abuses a child like this. Then they should invite the Mexicans over to play hit the pinata. You stomp out evil. You don't embrace it and say it is a virtue. This site is libertysflame. Not anti liberty. Moron.
We despise Obama weirdo.
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is? Personally I could care less about Cher and her daughter, they can be as messed up in the head as they want..... They can also keep their problems to themselves and deal with them without soliciting tolerance/approval/pity from others!!!! That right there is the reason why most people don't care/like gays.... As far as the governor executing people well it's up to him or her if they let court mandated justice take it's course, or pardon the offender..... If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it..... So let me ask you a question, do think think pedophilia, necrophilia and pederasty should be socially acceptable like homosexuality????
"CHANGE" you can step in..... There is no excuse ever to dictate culture with the barrel of a gun, or the sting of an executioner's needle. I notice the self appointed definer of culture doesn't like studies that show conclusively that the brain defines gender and that some people need to define their own gender roles dispite what is expected from them because of their body's manifestation of gender. I notice is sexist nature comes through when he talks about the transformation physically from male to female is a process of "stunting someone's growth." Since when is being female inferior to a male? That's news to me, that one 'is stunted if they are female.' The gender this girl should manifest is the one that feels right to her. And she is lucky to have two caring parents to take care of her and help her get the medical care she needs for transformation. People who transition blend very well into into general culture as the function better as they are far happier and satified with life then they would have been had they had to repress who they were just to keep people like Stone from having his head explode. I have no sympathy for depotic thinking either. And anyone that does not accept that homosexual and transgender people are very normal, productive and decent people it is their problem to work out. They are foolish to bother others about what afficts them in their minds and hearts. The snake oil of hatred and intolerence is not as a popular tonic as some might like to believe. Which give me some hope for the future.
I'm not real comfortable with that either.
I believe he is talking about the various hormone replacements required, most of which have known cancer causing abilities.
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco or do a simular trade off of some risk for a more satifying life. Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them. There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway, So thismakes the risk far smaller then it is if someone self medicated with purchases over the Internet. And all the surgeries require help with adjustments into the preferred gender role. The protocols and safeguards to make sure that only people with what the DMS IV called 'Gender Dysphoria' transition as well established and functions well. Anyone can change their name legally to better match their gender identification in any state and change the gender marker on the driver's licenses and other ID in most states along with doing that. Once someone settles into being who they identify as, they should be left alone and have their rights and social status protected.
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you? As to your question, no I don't.
So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Good. So do I.
What about people who fuck with little kids so much that they have an operation to change their gender? Do the courts need to be involved in the execution, or can they just be skipped because they might not agree with you?
Maybe you missed my last question. So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Do you? And since you called for the execution of the people who fed their kid drugs, what should happen to these two scumbag lowlifes?
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot. I like this definition. 2. any person in power who acts tyrannically That definition fits Obama. He is attacking Libya without congressional authorization. That is just one of many examples.
As to your question, no I don't. Of course the courts should be involved. The legislature should change the law to make it reflect what I said above. Comprende?
Mike that is really dumb. Tobacco is worse then some freaks brainwashing an 8 year old? Damn your evil.
What are you trying to say here Mike? Are you coming out of the closet or something? That's what it sounds like.
You seem to know a lot about this Mike. Hey remember that pic you used to post of yourself. Can you post it here. I want to see if you are "transgendered". Don't tell me until I see the picture. I want to guess. Thanks.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#2. To: Sebastian (#0)
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#3. To: All (#2)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#4. To: Biff Tannen (#3)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#5. To: Biff Tannen (#1)
Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
Tammy, Biffy the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl'
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children.
#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
To Biffy: "LOL. Another attempt at wit, eh?"
#8. To: Sebastian (#0)
His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier.
#9. To: Sebastian (#0)
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two,
#10. To: Sebastian (#0)
The couple were married in 1990
#11. To: Sebastian (#0)
Here is Tammy with her mothers
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#13. To: Sebastian (#0)
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
#14. To: A K A Stone (#10)
They are not married. Only men and women can be married.
#15. To: mininggold (#14)
#16. To: Biff Tannen (#3)
So far I've only got the second dumbest comment on the thread.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#17. To: Biff Tannen (#1)
What's wrong with that?
#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)
The guy isn't a rabbi. He is a pretend Rabbi.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#9)
These queers are fucking up the next generation.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#22. To: A K A Stone (#12)
"If you defend this you are a worthless freak piece of trash. Do you defend it or do you have some sanity?"
#23. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#21)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this????
#24. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#27. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#28. To: mininggold (#24)
(Edited)
"Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots."
#29. To: A K A Stone (#25)
(Edited)
drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#30. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#28)
I notice is sexist nature comes through when he talks about the transformation physically from male to female is a process of "stunting someone's growth."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
(Edited)
#33. To: CZ82 (#27)
If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it.....
#34. To: A K A Stone (#25)
#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#37. To: lucysmom (#31)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#38. To: Skip Intro (#33)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them.
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway,
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