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Title: 34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/ ... ff-under-hillary-clinton-poll/
Published: Sep 16, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-09-16 18:35:32 by nolu chan
Keywords: Obama, Hillary, Buyer
Views: 86409
Comments: 139

34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll

By Kase Wickman
Friday, September 16th, 2011 -- 3:33 pm

More than a third of Americans said that if Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2008, the country would be in better shape than it is right now under President Barack Obama's leadership.

The Bloomberg poll showed that Clinton, currently serving as secretary of state, garnered a 64 percent favorability rating, making her the most popular national politician in the country.

Thirty-four percent expressed wishful thinking about a Clinton presidency, up from the 25 percent who responded the same in July 2010.

In the 2008 election, Obama won the majority of delegates necessary to clinch the Democratic nomination after the primaries. During the drawn-out primary battle, Clinton actually won the popular vote, though Obama won 29 states to her 21.

Only 13 percent of respondents said that things would be worse under a Clinton White House.

It's not just Democrats expressing buyers' remorse either: 39 percent of Republicans said that Clinton would run the country better than Obama has.

“Some of her appeal is that she is not Barack Obama,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., the group that conducted poll.

No matter what the public's opinion of her, any wishful thinking will remain a fantasy.

“It’s below zero,” Clinton told CNN when asked about the chance of her challenging Obama in 2012. “One of the great things about being secretary of state is I am out of politics. I am not interested in being drawn back into it by anybody.”

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#27. To: failed shyster nolu chan (#24)

Mad Dog, if you were a Navy veteran, you should know that a U.S. Navy NEC is NOT, as you state, a Naval Enlistment Code. NEC does not stand for that, has nothing whatever to do with reenlistment eligibility nor the characterization of one's enlistment.

So you want to make the $10K bet that I have challenged you with coward?

No problem.

Navy jobs are designated by "NEC" numbers aren't they you gibbering little shyster bitch?

In FACT you little lubber shyster bitch, according to the 1968 edition of the Blue jacket's Manual pg 192, it says, and I quote ... "This is where the Navy ENLISTED Classification Codes (NECs) come into use."

Do you think that just MAYBE the "Bluejacket's Manual" just MIGHT know what it's talking about when it's talking about the fucking NAVY, you simpering little shyster bitch?

I was a blue water Destroyer deck/weapons sailor, and I have ALL the tickets to prove it you ignorant snotty little land lubber bitch.

I AM a shellback.

You owe Stone $10K you foul little shyster lubber wog bitch.

BUT of course YOU'LL never pay him, will you fraud?

LOL!

You ignorant fuckwad lubber bitch.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   15:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: failed shyster wog nolu chan (#27)

.

When are you sending Stone the 10 Grand that you owe him, you foul little lubber wog shyster bitch?

Eh wog?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   15:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: failed shyster wog nolu chan (#28)

When are you sending Stone the 10 Grand that you owe him, you foul little lubber wog shyster bitch?

Eh wog?

10Gs wog.

You owe STONE $10K you shyster lubber wog.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   19:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: All (#29)

10Gs wog.

You owe STONE $10K you shyster lubber wog.

You pitiful, little know nothing, wannabe shyster, lubber wog.

Lubber WOG.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   19:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mad Dog, nolu chan (#29)

Thanks for the entertaining thread.

A couple of things. I believe that you are both Navy vets.

Secondly. I notice that nolu chan cites UN resolutions. I for one could care less about the UN. Chan do you think that the UN is a legitimate organization to tell Israel or anyone what to do? Do you think that we should have to obey the UN? I think that the UN is unconstitutional myself. You can't have a treaty with a non nation.

Also on the article. I think that people who say that Hillary would have been better then Obama are correct. That doesn't mean they think that Hillary is any good. Republicans just say she would be better but would never vote for her. Democrats probably wish it was her instead of Obama at this point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-21   19:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone, counselor nolu chan w.s. (#31)

Thanks for the entertaining thread.

A couple of things. I believe that you are both Navy vets.

Secondly. I notice that nolu chan cites UN resolutions. I for one could care less about the UN. Chan do you think that the UN is a legitimate organization to tell Israel or anyone what to do? Do you think that we should have to obey the UN? I think that the UN is unconstitutional myself. You can't have a treaty with a non nation.

Also on the article. I think that people who say that Hillary would have been better then Obama are correct. That doesn't mean they think that Hillary is any good. Republicans just say she would be better but would never vote for her. Democrats probably wish it was her instead of Obama at this point.

Thanks.

OK, the bet wasn't if chan is or isn't a vet , it's that I'm NOT a US NAVY vet.

So ... kewl! When are you going to send STONE the $10K that you just lost chan?

Also, what CONSERVATIVE of ANY sort takes ANYTHING that the UN says or does seriously? NOTHING that the UN comes up with is binding on the citizens of the USA, OUR LAWS are based on the US CONSTITUTION and nothing else.

imo 'ol chan is no CONSERVATIVE.

At this point EVERYBODY thinks that somebody would have/could have be better than the wee little failed man child messiah "king" obammy has been and IS.

It's just that the libTURDS and public supporters of the fraud don't have the courage or honor to even tell themselves the truth that they already know in their own hearts.

imo the vast majority of libTURDS are INSANE COWARDS and LIARS and HYPOCRITES.

All that you have to do, is to watch what they DO, not what they SAY.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   21:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mad Dog (#32)

Thanks.

OK, the bet wasn't if chan is or isn't a vet , it's that I'm NOT a US NAVY vet.

So ... kewl! When are you going to send STONE the $10K that you just lost chan?

I was hoping for 10 grand. But I was looking up there and I don't see where he accepted. I don't think he would think that you adequately proved it by me simply agreeing with you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-21   22:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mad Dog (#25)

I, (and EVERY person who knows what YOU Joo hating scum are doing), do consider ALL UN condemnatory resolutions as a manifestation of the HATE of the JOOOOOOS.

I figure I shouldn't run out of these until sometime next year.

Resolution 127 (January 22, 1958)

In order to create an atmosphere which would be more conducive to fruitful discussion, activities in the zone, such as those initiated by Israelis on 21 July 1957, should be suspended until such time as the survey has been completed and provisions made for the regulation of activities in the zone;

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mad Dog (#27)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

[...]

Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace

[nolu chan] Mad Dog, if you were a Navy veteran, you should know that a U.S. Navy NEC is NOT, as you state, a Naval Enlistment Code. NEC does not stand for that, has nothing whatever to do with reenlistment eligibility nor the characterization of one's enlistment.

Numbnutz googled Reenlistment Eligibility Codes for an NEC:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blcode5.htm

Military Reenlistment Eligibility (RE) Code
United States Navy, Marines, & Coast Guard

And here is what numbnutz presented for his NEC:

#273. To: seen2much, sneakypete (#250)

What makes you assholes any different than the scum at DU or the Daily Kos,....?

I missed the rule where I have to prove my service to you cunts. Where do I send my DD-214 to s2m? Please give me your address you vile little turd, I'll get it right out to you.

Not.

I'm a Vietnam Vet. ("RER-1".) Don't like it? f**k OFF.

If you really are a vet stinky, you might think a little about what your sucking up to such a vile little turd as s2m means about you.

If you ever knew honor stinky, it must have rubbed off since you got out.

You being butt buddies with s2m, and the rest of the emotional idiots of the "I HATE BUSH!" herd, and all.

Now show me how DU, and the Daily Kos, and Moveon.org, and of course YOU, treat Vets.

I've seen worse.

Way worse.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-19   4:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace  


#274. To: Mad Dog (#273)

What makes you assholes any different than the scum at DU or the Daily Kos,....?

Unlike you and them,I am sane and put country ahead of party and self.

I missed the rule where I have to prove my service to you cunts.

Ohhhh! You must be a tough guy to use words like that! Army cook?

I'm a Vietnam Vet. ("RER-1".) Don't like it? f**k OFF.

I don't even know what a "RER-1" is. "Reserve Enlisted Retard-1st Class"? "Really Eager RINO-grade 1"?

If you really are a vet stinky, you might think a little about what your sucking up to such a vile little turd as s2m means about you.

I am a vet,and I can think of NOTHING worse than sucking up to that traitor Boy Jorge and the criminal enterprise he calls a family. And to think that you do it because you are scared and think he is going to protect you just proves you are so stupid you don't even recogonize the true danger.

If you ever knew honor stinky, it must have rubbed off since you got out.

Says the man who supports the man who let bin Laden's family fly out of the US,after they gave jobs and housing to some of the hijackers from out of Logan airport. The same man who sold our sub and missle secrets to the Chinese.

You being butt buddies with s2m, and the rest of the emotional idiots of the "I HATE BUSH!" herd, and all.

Ain't NOBODY as emotional as you,Princess. "SAVE ME,MASSA BUSH,SAVE ME!"

Now show me how DU, and the Daily Kos, and Moveon.org, and of course YOU, treat Vets.

Poor baby.

sneakypete  posted on  2006-12-19   7:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#275. To: sneakypete (#274)

If you ever knew honor stinky, it must have rubbed off since you got out.

I am sorry that this is true about you. (Esp. IF you ever really served).

Of course you don't know what "RER-1" is, because you are a FRAUD.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-19   20:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace  


#276. To: sneakypete (#274)

Army cook?

The method you use to attempt to insult me shows another clue that you are a poser and a fraud.

Who fought and won the Battle of the Bulge in WW2 Stinky?

You pityful liar.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-19   20:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#277. To: Mad Dog (#275)

Of course you don't know what "RER-1" is, because you are a FRAUD.

ROFLMAO! "RER-1" isn't a MOS code. It's something you got from a Chuck Norris movie,ain't it?

sneakypete  posted on  2006-12-19   21:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#278. To: sneakypete (#277)

You are frothing at the mouth stinky.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-19   21:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace  

Here he tries to bullshit his way out of what he did:

[Mad Dog #27]

Navy jobs are designated by "NEC" numbers aren't they you gibbering little shyster bitch?

In FACT you little lubber shyster bitch, according to the 1968 edition of the Blue jacket's Manual pg 192, it says, and I quote ... "This is where the Navy ENLISTED Classification Codes (NECs) come into use."

Do you think that just MAYBE the "Bluejacket's Manual" just MIGHT know what it's talking about when it's talking about the fucking NAVY, you simpering little shyster bitch?

Unfortunately numbnutz provided sneakypete with a defective Reenlistment Eligibility Code, not a Navy Enlisted Classification (NEC) code. And the rank amateur goes to the Bluejacket's Manual to provide authority on NECs. Consulting the actual Navy Manual on the subject provides actual, thorough, official information.

CHAPTER I

INTRODUCTION TO THE NAVY ENLISTED CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM

A. PURPOSE

1. The Navy Enlisted Classification (NEC) system, of which the NEC coding system is a part, supplements the enlisted rating structure in identifying personnel on active or inactive duty and billets in manpower authorizations. NEC codes identify a non-rating wide skill, knowledge, aptitude, or qualification that must be documented to identify both people and billets for management purposes. Additionally, an NEC can be used to identify special circumstances or situations with approval via the NEOCS process.

2. The NEC coding system facilitates management control over enlisted skills by identifying billets and personnel and enhancing efficient use of personnel in distribution and detailing. In cases where NECs reflect special training, inventories of coded billets and coded personnel are also the basis for planning and controlling input of personnel into formal courses that earn NECs. Consequently, the continuing enlisted strength of the Navy, particularly petty officer allocations, and funds authorized for rating and specialty training depends, to an increasing extent, upon the accuracy, thoroughness, and timeliness of NEC coding. Personnel required to support ratings and special programs must be identified by the correct combinations of rates and/or NECs.

B. TYPES OF NECS

1. Entry Series NECs consist of Rating Conversion and Occupational Area - Defense Grouping (DG) NECs.

a. Rating Conversion NECs identify aptitudes and qualifications not discernible from rates alone and are assigned to identify petty officers or identified strikers who are in training for change of rating or status under approved programs.

b. Occupational Area - Defense Groupings (DG) NECs relate to groups of ratings for which there is an identification requirement. These NECs appear as DG-9700 through DG-9780, which reflect the location of Navy ratings in the Department of Defense Occupational Conversion Manual, Enlisted. The third digit in the codes specifies the DoD Occupational Area Grouping Code used in the DoD Occupational Conversion Manual. USN and USNR personnel in paygrades E-1 through E-3 (not already "rating associated" by rates or by striker identification) must be assigned an appropriate DG NEC that identifies and indicates that these individuals have received training, are in training, or have aptitude for training in the areas identified by the DG code.

2. Rating Series NECs relate to a limited number of specific ratings. Rating Series NECs identify special or unique billet requirements beyond the skill and knowledge that the general rating would provide. When assigned to an individual, Rating Series NECs show that the person has obtained certain skills or knowledge and is qualified for detailing to a billet requirement.

3. Special Series NECs have the same purpose as Rating Series NECs but in general, relate to an unlimited number of ratings.

4. Alphanumeric NECs are used to identify discrete skills and training levels when justified by the complexity of training and management requirements. Alphanumeric NECs require dedicated personnel support to monitor and manage because of the intricacies of coordinating resources and support systems. Therefore, recommendations for alphanumeric NECs are to be submitted only through Warfare or Resource Sponsors after a development process that completely addresses all the elements required to make the program successful. These elements include:

a. Development of a training structure, in cooperation with appropriate training program coordinators.

b. A definite plan or program for tracking the inventory or requirements and personnel assets.

c. A commitment from the Warfare or Resource Sponsor to provide dedicated support personnel to management and monitoring of the program. Decisions on the feasibility of expanding use of alphanumeric NECs will be based on experience gained from the submarine community alphanumeric NECs. Use of alphanumeric NECs is limited to submarine ET and RM ratings and rating conversion NECs. Use of alphanumeric coding may be opened to other ratings only when all numeric codes have been depleted.

5. Numerical NECs not included in Rating Series or Special Series are grouped under EOD/DIVER/SEAL, Nuclear, Aircrew or Aircraft Systems Maintenance.

6. Planning NECs are NECs approved for planning purposes only and are listed in Chapter V of this manual. These NECs may be used in conjunction with Navy Training Plans, in developing planned training courses, and other applicable long-range projects. Planning NECs listed in Chapter V may be written in manpower authorizations to project requirements and used for other planning purposes; however, they are not assigned to personnel.

Submit requests for planning NECs to Commanding Officer, Navy Manpower Analysis Center (NAVMAC) (Code 10) via the chain of command. A request must include a proposed title, a ready-fortraining date (actual or estimated), billet paygrades, and point of contact. Submit requests to convert approved Planning NECs to Rating or Special series NECs 180 days before the date the NEC is to be awarded (i.e., 180 days before completion of initial course or factory training). Appendix A identifies requirements for establishing new NECs.

Numbnutz never thought of looking in the right manual because he does not know what it is.

I am going to put up right here on the website and then probably wrap it all together in a PDF on scribd.

You can continue to make believe, or you can attempt to bullshit your way out of your lies right here on the website.

I will take my time and embarrass you to death as I annihilate your bullshit. You are not trying to fly your bullshit past the Army this time.

By the way, you may find your NEC on your Navy Occupation and Training History. These days it's on NAVPERS Form 1070-604 in block 7. For the correct form back in the day you can consult your own records. It should be in block number 2.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mad Dog (#26)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that).

The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN.

But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right?

Right.

Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet.

But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right?

Right.

DesRon 15, look it up doggie.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-21   3:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace  

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Secondly. I notice that nolu chan cites UN resolutions. I for one could care less about the UN. Chan do you think that the UN is a legitimate organization to tell Israel or anyone what to do?

It is the precise same organization that Israel has repeatedly cited as recognizing its existence as a state.

Whether their resolutions are considered legitimate or not, do you consider all of them to be documentation that all who supported the resolutions expressed hatred of Jews? Are all Jews included in the term Zionist? Are all Zionists even Jews?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mad Dog (#27)

I AM a shellback.

You sound like the royal baby.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mad Dog, A K A Stone (#33)

#18. To: Mad Dog (#10)

I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT.
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?... Have at it counselor...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You are a wannabe shyster... You bury your mistakes shyster...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You appear to have inadvertently forgotten to include the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide to anything that you claim is a FACT.

Does this mean that your claims are admittedly not FACT?

Or are you unable or unwilling to provide the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide in support of your nonsense?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-20   0:30:00 ET  Reply 

A million billion dollars says you still haven't and can't provide documentation that I am a counselor or shyster.

Pay it to Stone.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: nolu chan (#37)

do you consider all of them to be documentation that all who supported the resolutions expressed hatred of Jews?

I don't think everyone who votes to condemn some actions of the Jewish state hates them. I think a whole lot of them do though.

You ask if all Jews are zionists. I think a zionist is a Jew that believes Israel is their legitimate homeland.

Martin Luther King said that people who say zionist are actually just saying Jews. He said something like that.

Here is what bothers me about people who complain about "zioniists". Zionists is the word that the kooks in Iran regularly use. Zionists is a favorite word of Kahdaffi. When Americans go around saying zionists it makes them sound Muslim.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-22   8:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nolu chan (#37)

Whether their resolutions are considered legitimate or not,

I was curious if you think the UN is legitimate. I also wonder if you think that the UN makes the world a better place. Just your opinion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-22   8:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone, wang chang aka wannabe shyster aka loser lubber wog chan aka ... (#33)

I was hoping for 10 grand. But I was looking up there and I don't see where he accepted. I don't think he would think that you adequately proved it by me simply agreeing with you.

"Hope springs eternal".

chan is just another all talk coward.

It's not about the truth with creeps like him.

His only interest is to try to call me a liar.

IF he served then he KNOWS in his bones the truth, and that makes him even a bigger POS imo.

Chan is a coward and a little punk creep.

Of course a punk like him would never put his money where his mouth is because ... well ... he's just a PUNK.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   14:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lubber wog PUNK nolu chan (#34)

I figure I shouldn't run out of these until sometime next year.

LOL!

Run out of WHAT you little lubber wog punk?

Posts that I have made, IN A PUBLIC FORUM, INTENDING ALL TO SEE THEM?

LOL! FOOL!

Or UN resolutions that are "HATE JOOOOS FIRST!?

Are you seriously TRYING to say that the UN works in a fair and balanced manner when the subject is Israel or the JOOOOS you simpering lubber wog punk?

What drugs are you on?

Lubber wog PUNK.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   14:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lubber WOG nolu chan (#35)

Numbnutz never thought of looking in the right manual because he does not know what it is.

I am going to put up right here on the website and then probably wrap it all together in a PDF on scribd.

You can continue to make believe, or you can attempt to bullshit your way out of your lies right here on the website.

I will take my time and embarrass you to death as I annihilate your bullshit. You are not trying to fly your bullshit past the Army this time.

Have at it jerk off.

BUT you don't have the BALLS to bet $10K on it do you PUNK?

If $10K is too rich for you shyster bitch., then lets make it a more affordable amount for a loser such as you shall we?

How about a mere $100.00? you can skip your crack or meth for a day can't you PUNK?

LOL!

Hey jerk off, I wasn't a yeoman working is some office. I was an FTM on a bluewater Destroyer DECK. You don't even know what a FTM is do you lubber?

LOL!

I went into active service in MARCH '69, (that's 42 years ago WOG), and I got OUT of the NAV in Jan '74, (that's 37 years WOG). I haven't thought about it much until little WOG cunts such as you have motivated me to do so.

LOL!

So Fucking sue me if I didn't get the NAVPERS nomenclature 100% correct.

LOL!

IF you really were interested in the truth bitch, (which you are NOT), then you'd accept my BET.

LOL!

But instead of doing that you do what creep PUNKS like YOU do you refuse to put anything up because you know that you are a lying POS.

LOL!

I know what my own NEC is you simpering cunt, it's right here on my DD-214.

LOL!

Put your money where your BIG mouth is you lubber WOG.

LOL!

NEVER happen.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   14:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36)

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

LOL!

Hey jerk off I know what NTC/RTC San Diego was, because I went to BOOT there in Mar of '68.

LOL!

Thanks for showing the entire world what a fraud PUNK you are WOG!

LOL!

I couldn't care less if you are "impressed" or not WOG.

LOL!

That's the simple TRUTH.

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG?

LOL!

That's OK WOG I'll wait while you look it up.

LOL!

You aren't all that bright are you WOG?

LOL!

I guess I'll have to go through all of this again?

LOL!

Trying to teach lubber WOG punks which end is the sharp end, and which end of the tube the round comes out.

LOL!

EVERYTHING that you "know" about the US NAVY you have READ.

You haven't spent even one instant underway. You haven't even ever done a FAST cruise have you lubber? Hell you don't even know what a FAST cruise is do you lubber WOG?

LOL!

You READ about the NAV and then try to claim that since after almost four decades I get the NAVPERS nomenclature incorrect that I never served!

LOL!

You're a foul little cunt WOG. Nothing you say or do will ever change that.

So, you coward, you foul little lubber WOG punk, put your money where your mouth is!

I have a C note right here bitch.

When I win, you will pay the cost of postage for me sending STONE a certified copy of both my RER-1 Honorable, and my DD-214.

So, put up or shut up cunt.

LOL!

Like THAT is ever going to happen.

LOL!

Lubber WOG punk is, as lubber WOG punk does, eh bitch?

LOL!

You ain't shit you little lubber WOG COWARD.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   15:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lubber WOG nolu chan (#38)

Md; I AM a shellback.

lubber WOG; You sound like the royal baby.

By definition WOG, the Royal baby is a SHELLBACK.

LOL!

Didn't the articles that you looked up and READ about USN shellback initiations mention that WOG?

LOL!

You see WOG that's the problem with being a lubber WOG, you don't actually know shit from shineola about being a squid or the NAV or the FLEET, and you sure don't know shit about being a shellback or what it takes to be one.

LOL!

You are just another know nothing lubber WOG punk.

IF you had ever had the chance to go through the initiations of the time, and actually stand before Neptune and his court, you'd be too big of a COWARD to get you ass beat around the main deck with shellback propelled shillelaghs etc.

LOL!

You see you lubber WOG, we don't MAKE WOGS go through the initiation. If they are cowards like you are WOG, we allow them to remain below decks until the day is over.

Of course, since they were not initiated, they are NOT shellbacks.

You can't actually be a shellback without going through Neptune's court.

(Which isn't strictly true for ossifers, I've seen them called shellbacks after they refused the line, RHIP after all I was told.) (You and them have something in common WOG they were cowards and punks also.)

LOL!

You ain't nothing but a wannabe lubber WOG punk!

That C note is right here bitch!

Put your money where your MOUTH is bitch.

LOL!

NEVER happen, lubber WOG punk got no balls.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   15:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: wannabe WOG punk nolu chan (#39)

A million billion dollars says you still haven't and can't provide documentation that I am a counselor or shyster.

Pay it to Stone.

LOL!

You REALLY aren't all that bright are you WOG?

I already told you that I don't supply "citations' to my OPINIONS.

Unlike YOU wanker WOG, I don't confuse my OPINIONS with established FACT.

Don't you understand the word WANNABE wanker?

Did I say that it was a FACT that you were or are a shyster you stoopid wanker WOG?

No I did not.

Man you are one stoopid little wanker WOG.

I have a C note right here wanker, care to put your money where your mouth is?

Surely even a wanker WOG such as you can cut a C note out of your welfare check for good cause?

I mean IF you won you'd really show me up wouldn't you? AND you'd get a C note for this site. So what's the problem WOG?

LOL!

If $100. is too rich for your blood WOG, we can make it any amount under a C note that you want. Hell WOG I'll even give you odds!

LOL!

So what's the problem WOG?

LOL!

Oh yeah, ... little wanker WOG got no balls.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   15:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone, punk coward wannabe WOG lubber chan (#40)

Martin Luther King said that people who say zionist are actually just saying Jews. He said something like that.

Whoever said it, it IS true that "zionists" is a code word used by JOO haters to cover their HATE for ALL JOOOS.

"Some of my best friends are JOOOS, I just hate zionists."

Sound familiar?

IMO chan is JOOO hating scum.

Do I need to provide a citation to that OPINION, WOG?

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   15:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#41)

I was curious if you think the UN is legitimate. I also wonder if you think that the UN makes the world a better place. Just your opinion.

If all the nations create it or join it, I guess it has legitimacy, which just means that is recognized by law. It does not really do much.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-22   23:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#40)

I think a zionist is a Jew that believes Israel is their legitimate homeland.

Martin Luther King said that people who say zionist are actually just saying Jews. He said something like that.

Here is what bothers me about people who complain about "zioniists". Zionists is the word that the kooks in Iran regularly use. Zionists is a favorite word of Kahdaffi. When Americans go around saying zionists it makes them sound Muslim.

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24349

See: An Open Letter to America’s Christian Zionists

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-22   23:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Mad Dog (#43)

Or UN resolutions that are "HATE JOOOOS FIRST!?

Resolution 171 (April 9, 1962)

2. Reaffirms its resolution 111 (1956) of 19 January 1956 which condemned Israel military action in breach of the General Armistice Agreement, whether or not undertaken by way of retaliation;

3. Determines that the Israel attack of 16-17 March 1962 constitutes a flagrant violation of that resolution, and calls upon Israel scrupulously to refrain from such action in the future;

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-22   23:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mad Dog (#45)

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24188&Disp=45#C45

#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36)

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG?

Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-22 15:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It is nice to see that you are truly full of shit.

Only an idiot or fraud would say this. Nobody ever got a set of orders to go from boot camp to Balboa as a Hospital Corpsman. Try again.

I knew about Balboa before you claim to have joined the Navy, junior. I also worked with trees for several years. It is clear that you do not know shit, and your story about 38 of 40 going off from boot camp to the Marines is total bullshit. When someone left boot camp to be a hospital corpsman, where did he really go? There was only one place to go and it was not in Balboa. It looks like you need a babysitter to take you through it step by step.

Keep working on your fairy tale.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-23   0:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: wannabe WOG nolu chan (#51)

.

LOL!

Does anything that you post ever have any MEANING WOG?

LOL!

It's OK WOG, this is the USA, and you have every right to be a JOOO hating creep.

LOL!

Hell WOG you'll even be POPULAR with that position.

LOL!

Hey WOG I have FIVE bucks here that says you have NO BALLS.

You can afford FIVE bucks can't you WOG?

Oh yeah .... it's that NO BALLS thingee eh WOG?

You wannabe lubber WOG bitch.

Oh well ...

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   0:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: WOG bitch nolu chan (#52)

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to. I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG?

Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-22 15:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It is nice to see that you are truly full of shit.

Only an idiot or fraud would say this. Nobody ever got a set of orders to go from boot camp to Balboa as a Hospital Corpsman. Try again.

I knew about Balboa before you claim to have joined the Navy, junior. I also worked with trees for several years. It is clear that you do not know shit, and your story about 38 of 40 going off from boot camp to the Marines is total bullshit. When someone left boot camp to be a hospital corpsman, where did he really go? There was only one place to go and it was not in Balboa. It looks like you need a babysitter to take you through it step by step.

Keep working on your fairy tale.

LOL!

Oh gee willikers WOG, ya' really "got" me didn't Ya?

/NOT

LOL!

You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober!

I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL!

IDIOT! I was IN THE BLUEWATER NAVY, LOL! the only Marines in the BLUEWATER NAVY are the fleet marines, who the fleet calls "Doorstops", and they serve ONLY onboard capital WAR ships, NOT DESTROYERS!

LOL!

Do you know why we in the fleet called the fleet marines "doorstops" WOG?

LOL!

Of course YOU don't!

LOL!

Keep READING WOG!

Maybe you can find it there?

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   0:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: cowardly LYING little snot nosed WOG lubber nolu chan (#52)

Keep working on your fairy tale.

That reminds me WOG about YOUR putative "maleness"?

It's pretty obvious that you are just a foul little no balls COWARDLY LYING piece of shit.

Because IF you really believed that I am lying then you would jump at the chance to PROVE it and make STONE some money for this site.

Come on WOG, aren't you ashamed of what a foul sniveling LIAR and no balls COWARD that you look like here to the entire WORLD?

The bet is $100.00, put up or shut up ponce.

LOL!

EASY MONEY!

LOL!

AND

F

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Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   0:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: apparently senile really old WOG nolu chan (#52)

I knew about Balboa before you ... joined the Navy, junior.

Fixed it for ya WOG!

So what WOG?

So did I!

In fact WOG, a friend of mine who was also working at USFS HQ Sansom St. San Francisco when I was, knew JFK's PT-109 Unit Commanding officer, he was still active duty down on the Silver Strand so we took a trip down to San Diego so I could talk to him about going into the NAV a year or so before I enlisted. I don't remember the man's name, but I remember that he insisted that I start to learn to drink black coffee, because he said that the fleet ran on it.

Thanks WOG, I hadn't thought about that in decades.

I guess that you are good for something afterall?

Of course, "even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then" eh WOG?

(And if you are calling me "junior" I understand NOW more than ever WOG. I'm 62, so you must be, YEP! ... senile. I feel your pain WOG. Kain't we alllllll jes git along???? sob sob?)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   1:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Mad Dog, nolu chan (#56)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-23   7:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone, nolu chan lubber wannabe WOG of the day (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Maybe, maybe not.

I'll tell you one thing for sure, NOBODY calls me a liar to my face twice.

But on the other hand, I don't beat up senile OLD people.

I always prefer face to face.

ALWAYS.

(btw, seeing this coming; my use of "wog" is the AMERICAN useage.)

"American English

In the United States, "Wog" is simply short for Pollywog, the navy term for sailors who have yet to cross the equator in the line-crossing ceremony, and has no racial associations."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog#Ameri can_English

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   14:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#57)

.

I have a C note right here that says you are a COWARDLY no balls lying bitch wog.

I have certified copies of my RER-1 Honorable discharge and DD-214 right here wog.

Make the bet wog and I'll send them to Stone.

Then we'll see who is the LIAR around here wog.

What's the matter coward?

No balls?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   14:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

I'd bet any amount mad dog would bite his leg.

-------------------------------------
Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-09-23   15:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Bifffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy Tannen, A K A Stone (#60)

I'd bet any amount mad dog would bite his leg.

LOL!

Not likely biffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy.

However me knocking him onto his ass might be.

Except that he might be OLDER than I am so I wouldn't do that either.

(I don't fight elders, or women, or children, or cripples), (I'd have no problem at all slapping your libTURD ass around some biffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy.) (Although you likely come real close to being a child, and are a well known mental and emotional cripple.)

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   16:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Mad Dog (#53)

Resolution 228 (November 25, 1966)

Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement,

1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Mad Dog (#54)

Mad Dog #45

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

Mad Dog #54

You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober!

I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL!

From 1913 to 2011 there was only one HM "A" school and it has never been in Balboa nimrod.

Until your boot camp graduates get to HM "A" school and graduate from there, they cannot be Hospital Corpsmen. After that they must take a tour to get some experience on the job. After that they must go train with the Marines. They must acquire the requisite NEC. The Marines in the field actually need real corpsmen who are qualified to treat somebody.

Every jackass but Mad Dog knows that anyone leaving boot camp to be a corpman must have orders to Navy Hospital Corps School. After graduating from the Corpsman school, only then may they be assigned to any sort of treatment facility. Before they go out in the field with the marines, they have another course to take where they issue their field uniforms. Your guys would have been running around naked.

I guess you didn't learn about corpsmen calling themselves trees while you were serving your time in the IDF. You haven't got a friggin clue, you hopeless fraud.

You wouldn't know about the NEC because you think the non-existent Reenlistment Code RER-1 was an NEC. It has to be tough when you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Your guys picked up 8404 straight out of boot camp. Suuuuure they did!

Hospital Corpsman NECs

You can fuss and cuss all you want. You are firmly on the hook and I am just reeling your dumb ass in. You're mine, junior. There has never been a Hospital Corpsman "A" School on the West coast. According to your fantasy history, your guys went to the medical facility in Balboa.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#64)

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

Do you mean his claim to have personally shot down three Migs might be a lie?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-09-24   11:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Skip Intro (#65)

Do you mean his claim to have personally shot down three Migs might be a lie?

He later changed it to being 'involved' in the incidents.

But you would think the other supposed Navy vets here would have heard of those awe inspiring, historically significant, incidents.

None of my Vietnam era Navy vet relations have.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-24   12:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#66)

But you would think the other supposed Navy vets here would have heard of those awe inspiring, historically significant, incidents.

You would think that half-governor Palin would have heard, too, since he lives in her state. I mentioned a while ago how surprised I was that she didn't have him on the stage with her as a war hero during one of her (non) campaign stops.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-09-24   12:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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