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Title: Progressive genocide
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Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/books/review/2006/03/04/bruinius
Published: Sep 4, 2011
Author: Farhad Manjoo
Post Date: 2011-09-04 18:56:24 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 11847
Comments: 42
Less than 100 years ago, America's finest minds were convinced the nation was threatened by sexually insatiable female morons. A new history of the eugenics movement sheds light on a bizarre chapter in U.S. history. Among the many concerns that captivated the American educated class early in the last century, few were thought to be as urgent as the threat posed to the nation by sexually insatiable female morons. This may sound silly; today, our fear of morons is rather abstract, and on a national scale confined mostly to whomever is the current resident of the White House. But a hundred years ago, morons were public enemy No. 1, seen as a drain on the nation's resources and a grave danger to its stability. The situation was most keenly appreciated by progressives -- scientists, businessmen, feminists and liberal politicians -- who, as even the best of us sometimes do, feared that within a short time, the nation would be overrun by simpletons. But how do you solve a problem like the moron? These poor people, for one, weren't easy to spot. "Feeblemindedness," the medical condition from which morons suffered, was chiefly manifested by subtle, difficult-to-diagnose symptoms, such as poor judgment and a susceptibility to deviance. The only way to tell if you were dealing with a certifiable moron -- an actual medical term - - was by administering an intelligence questionnaire (an early version of the IQ test), which scientists believed could accurately assess a patient's "mental age." Unlike idiots and imbeciles (who were characterized by significant, obvious mental defects), morons, who were grown-ups who showed mental ages that were far below their physical maturity, might do well in school, they might hold down jobs, and they might even manage to raise children -- but all this was to be thought of as a ruse, because sooner or later, they'd go astray. As the journalist Harry Bruinius explains in "Better for All the World: The Secret History of Forced Sterilization and America's Quest for Racial Purity," his comprehensive new history of the American eugenics movement, the problem wasn't just that morons were given to crime and poverty; because feeblemindedness was a genetic condition passed on from one generation to the next, their children, and their children's children, and on and on, were similarly suspect as well. Of particular concern were the afflicted women, in whom scientists had found the symptoms of feeblemindedness more pronounced. Female morons gave in to their sexual urges more quickly than feebleminded men, and they sometimes deceived normal men into consorting with them; in addition, they were "hyper-fecund," as doctors termed their apparent tendency to become pregnant easily. Put this all together, as many smart Americans did, and you had a big problem on your hands: an extremely fertile, extremely needy, apparently permanent underclass. It's lately become fashionable to reckon with growing ignorance among one's countrymen by threatening to emigrate to Canada; for American intellectuals of an earlier generation the more obvious solution was forced sterilization. At the dawn of the medical age, when scientists were just beginning to discover both the evolutionary basis to biology as well as painless, "humane" procedures to render humans infertile, it was the nation's rationalists who hit upon the idea of sterilization as a way to solve the problem of multiplying morons, Bruinius explains; the main opposition to the horrific idea came from religious fundamentalists. Progressives saw sterilization as having natural advantages over traditional methods of helping the poor, such as charity. Sterilization was "scientific" -- its rationale could be found in the writings of Charles Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, the father of eugenics, who mused that superior people, like superior crops and farm animals, were the product of good breeding. The term "gene" had not yet been coined -- among the surprises in Bruinius' book is that the science and the word "genetics" were born of the pseudoscience eugenics, and not vice versa -- but any well-read person could understand that if you wanted to rid the world of inferior people, you ought to stop them from passing on their characteristics to future generations. Whereas charity only prolonged and deepened the problem of poverty by allowing the "unfit" among us to survive and procreate, sterilization presented what you might call a permanent, final solution. Give a man a fish and he eats for one day; cut his mother's fallopian tubes and you can be pretty certain not to need any fish, or fishing lessons, in the first place. Much of the story of the American eugenics movement has been forgotten, and this is the main thing Bruinius' book has going for it. Though it's at times discursive and repetitive, tends toward the melodramatic, and is probably too long by half, "Better for All the World" tells a story few Americans know or have considered much. Bruinius says the history is "secret," but there isn't much deliberate obfuscation in the record -- indeed what's most surprising about our eugenics past is how public, proud and prominent its proponents were about their aims. There's perhaps a better explanation for why we've forgotten the story: Eugenics in America can be seen as something like a tragedy deferred, a terrible path that we veered toward, but, like the presidency of Charles Lindbergh, wisely averted at the last minute. To the extent that we remember the eugenicists now, we think of them as faddists; like phrenologists before them or, in a later generation, dot-com evangelizers, eugenicists caught some attention by peddling a simple and attractive solution to many of the world's ills, and while they may have caused a good deal of trouble in the process, they were eventually outwitted. Eugenics in America is a historical blemish, not an open wound, and it's the open wounds one tends to remember. Another way of saying this is, at least we're not Germany. And yet in Bruinius' telling American eugenicists don't look nearly so inconsequential. Importantly, Bruinius points out, we were the first to pick up the eugenics bug. Galton, a Brit, provided the intellectual basis for eugenics, but Americans, who fancied themselves a chosen people and whose blood has always run hot on matters of utopia, actually implemented the plans. In 1907, Indiana passed "the first sterilization law in human history," Bruinius writes, and "in the next two decades, the United States became the pioneer in state-sanctioned programs to rid society of the 'unfit.'" At least 30 states enacted similar laws, and sterilization became routine. California, which ran the most aggressive program, sterilized more than 2,500 people in a 10-year period; in all, more than 65,000 Americans were rendered infertile. More astonishing than the number of people sterilized is the long list of famous Americans who supported and sanctioned such programs. Bruinius takes his book's title from the 1927 Supreme Court majority opinion in Buck v. Bell, which ruled that the Constitution did not prohibit Virginia -- and, consequently, other states -- from sterilizing its citizens. The opinion, by Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., is Bruinius' trump card, and he repeats bits of it often; if you have trouble believing that anyone with half a brain might have bought the arguments of eugenicists, the opinion settles the matter. "We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives," Holmes wrote. "It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices [ i.e., forced sterilization], often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind." Referring to Carrie Buck, the plaintiff in the case whom the state intended to sterilize, and whose mother and daughter both had been suspected by doctors to be afflicted with feeblemindedness, Holmes added: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." (As Bruinius points out, Holmes had this label wrong; Buck and her kin had been diagnosed as morons, not imbeciles.) Others who supported eugenics included Victoria Woodhull, the suffragist and progressive activist who was the first woman to run for president; the inventor Alexander Graham Bell (who later moved away from the movement); foundations connected with the Carnegies, the Harrimans and the Rockefellers, which donated large sums toward eugenics research; professors at leading universities, including Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Johns Hopkins; and editorialists of the New York Times. Bruinius also fingers Margaret Sanger, the birth control advocate who founded the American Birth Control League, the predecessor to Planned Parenthood, as having sympathy for eugenics; though Sanger did say many suspect things, her closeness to the movement has been questioned and rejected by her supporters. Then there was Theodore Roosevelt, who, in a letter to the eugenicist Charles Davenport in 1913, hoped that "Someday we will realize that the prime duty, the inescapable duty, of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong type." It's not exactly clear what Roosevelt meant by "citizens of the wrong type," but it should be noted that as eugenics thinking matured, many supporters began to see the delineations between people of the right and wrong type as extending beyond just mental categories. Leading eugenicists argued that science proved that non-whites were genetically inferior to whites, that certain kinds of Europeans were better than other kinds, and that you should never trust a Jew. The eugenicists' claims were touted by opportunistic politicians, who used the scientific findings to pass restrictive immigration laws in the U.S. The American enthusiasm for purifying the populace did not go unnoticed beyond our borders. After the Supreme Court approved the process, "the American technique of social engineering became the model for laws in Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, and Sweden," Bruinius writes. And one more: Hitler's Germany, where the sterilization laws were consciously modeled on and supported by the American efforts. But why didn't we descend deeper into hell -- why, in the end, did sanity prevail in America, where it did not in Germany? To be sure, there's an obvious answer to this question: Adolf Hitler. Bruinius underlines the ways the Germans used American laws as support for their eugenics programs, but you can be sure that had America never approached eugenics, Hitler would not have been a sterling democrat; Hitler, being Hitler, didn't need an American Supreme Court decision to send him down the path toward madness. Yet aside from that clear difference, there may be a compelling reason why America didn't fully embrace the eugenicists' aims: After the sin of slavery, we could not stand for a state-sanctioned biological aristocracy. The author suggests, probably correctly, that it was Americans' tendency to reach for perfection that swayed us toward eugenics in the first place; this is the land of manifest destiny, after all, and it certainly was not manifest that our destiny be that morons run about all over the land. Moreover, it's undeniable that eugenics did enjoy a certain logical appeal as a social tool. For people who were embracing science and technology in all corners of their lives -- this was the age of industrialization -- sterilization had the benefit of being both novel and efficient. You didn't have to be evil to support eugenics; you only had to have a fuzzy idea of how biological sciences worked (and a fuzzy idea is all scientists had at that time), as well as a general reformist spirit. That's why progressives, rather than religious fundamentalists, were so hip to eugenics. The whole thing seemed like a can't- miss idea. Yet there would also seem to be something progressive about the reasons the United States moved away from eugenics. First, the science was weak, and the weaknesses eventually did in the eugenicists' ideas. In 1922, Walter Lippmann wrote a series of influential articles for the New Republic questioning the eugenicists' claim to accurately measure intelligence. Lippmann pointed out the obvious problem with calling people morons, imbeciles, idiots or whatever else: "Intelligence is not an abstraction like length and width; it is an exceedingly complicated notion which nobody has as yet succeeded in defining." By the 1930s, Bruinius writes, scientists were beginning to see this clearly; in an article in Psychological Review, Carl Campbell Brigham, a psychologist at Princeton who'd once supported the eugenicists' ideas, argued that intelligence could not, in fact, be measured easily. Eventually such ideas as categorizing people according to laughably flawed mental tests, and supposing that something so complex as one's future offspring's mental capacity could be deduced from such tests, were discredited by people who favored science over ideology (people who favored the study of genetics over eugenics, of actual evolution over social Darwinism). More important than the science, though, was Americans' long-held opposition to an aristocracy. The sensibility that led toward the widespread adoption of sterilization is, unfortunately, recognizable; who among us hasn't ever suspected, however fleetingly, that the world would be better off if there were only people like us around? But we also recognize these feelings as fundamentally elitist -- and even though our history is pocked with elitism enshrined into law (slavery, segregation), the sort of aristocracy envisioned by the eugenicists, in which 10 percent or more of the population would be marked for sterilization, was too much for American democracy to abide. Some of the most compelling passages in Bruinius' history involves the eugenicists' efforts to convince the nation that loads and loads of people should be sterilized. Yet instead of convincing people, the eugenicists ended up scaring folks. "We are ... building up an aristocracy of lunatics, idiots, paupers, and criminals," Dr. John Kellogg, the physician and cereal magnate, declared in a speech in San Francisco in 1915. Kellogg called for every American to undergo an annual health inspection, and for the results to be stored in a national registry that would be used to determine whether people could marry or should be sterilized. When the press reported Kellogg's speech and outlined the scope of the eugenicists' aims -- "14 Million to Be Sterilized," the Hearst papers screamed in headlines -- Americans were aghast. The eugenicists mounted an aggressive propaganda campaign -- which included outlandish "fitter family" contests at state fairs -- but the American public wouldn't buy it. Their "audacious rhetoric," Bruinius writes of the eugenicists, "may have been starting to hurt the eugenics cause with its very un-American call for a new aristocracy ... The leitmotif of statistics was starting to lose its rhetorical power in a democratic land, failing to engage ordinary folk and convince them of the need for better breeding." Oliver Wendell Holmes (a progressive appointed by Teddy Roosevelt) overlooked individual rights in his decision, and the government eventually forced many thousands of people into sterilization. But we did not sterilize millions, and the programs proved unpopular and quickly withered away. One has to guess that this was because forced sterilization seemed anathema to the nation at large, especially at a time when the country was beginning to move toward granting rights to more of its citizens (women, blacks) rather than fewer. That we sterilized thousands rather than millions may seem an academic distinction -- it's bad enough, isn't it, that the nation sterilized anyone? -- but the difference is important. Bruinius concludes his book by wondering whether modern scientific advances in genetics and bioengineering could usher in "a tipping point in which genocide -- cultural, ethnic, or genetic -- can seem a rational and desirable goal?" Anything can happen, of course, and it would be naive to say that the United States is immune to committing genocide, either at home or abroad. But genocide is a crime of numbers, a horror of multitudes -- of millions, not thousands. There is little to be proud of, and much to learn from, our nation's rendezvous with eugenic genocide. But one can take solace that it was only a rendezvous, and not a full embrace.
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#1. To: jwpegler, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#0)
Now instead of sterilization, the progressives use abortion clinics set up in the ghettos. In a certain deranged segment of society (progressives), it's politically correct to call genocide "a woman's right to choose".
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Then why do you pigs support capitalism without a social safety net? That is an ideology that kills the weak. It's OK if they die on their own for lack of food or health care or shelter?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Your family, church, and community must be real heartless bastards if they won't help you. Join a commune.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Or perhaps the community is just plain overwhelmed.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Like Pontius Pilate they wash their hands claiming it ain't their fault.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
...By socialist statists. Devastated by progressive, community organizer parasites.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Does the animal world have a social safety net????? NO!!!! Are they suffering for it???? NO!!!! They are only suffering at mans hands..... Man has the opportunity to make something of himself by being able to get an education a job and a family...... Man has the opportunity to become all he can be if chooses to do so... (at least somewhat)...If he chooses not to do these things then that's his decision, he's made his bed he gets to sleep in it.... But Leftards and government like to stand in the way of that, they would rather you still be alive and meek, weak and stupid.... (at someones elses expense of course)..... They like to dictate the evolution of man instead of letting it run it's course... They know if they let things run their course they would become extinct themselves...... So in essence we have man suffering at mans hands.......
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I love it when you self-identified smart, free and, independent types replace thought with mindless labels. It reminds me of Mao and the cultural revolution. So in that spirit, good morning to you, the running dog of capitalism.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
You're the biggest pussy on the board and you are still alive. You disproved your own pathetic theory.
Competing males in the animal world will often kill the young fathered by others males, would you also recommend that as a model for human behavior?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Yes Yes....With all the bullshit things you statists demand we pay for. It is overwhelmed. Your arguments for more deficits is underwhelming though.
Or maybe he isn't as weak as you think.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
In our society the classless females hire males to stick instruments up their pussies and kill the baby that is up in the womb.
If it weren't for the state developed internet, you and I would've never encountered each other.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Bye.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Yeah so what.
Bye. What I said is 100 percent true. The females who have abortions are classless. They hire mostly males to kill their babies. I assume it is mostly males. I think it is a correct assumption. They don't stick those instruments in their mouths.
Mindless labels? No one has replaced thought with mindless labels with more relish than the self-rightious ignorant, chained and, dependent types, you've become experts at labels when you know you have lost an argument, there is nothing left but labels. 'RACIST'! 'ISLAMOFASCIST'! 'HOMOPHOBE'! 'BIGOT'! and many more. When you don't have an intelligent thought to call your own, just reach into your bag of labels and choose one.
I believe 'ISLAMOFASCIST'! is a creation of the right. Actually, I don't use those labels often, but then I wouldn't expect you to pay attention.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I thought that was still prevelant in certain neighborhoods in big Leftard cities..... or at least it sure seems that way...... maybe that's why the abortion rate in those neighborhoods is so much higher too..... Animals use instinct for all of their actions, man is supposed to use his brain.... (LOL... yea right)!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
It sure as hell wasn't their idea, and was funded with the taxpayers money!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I have to admit your response was better than mine.
Planned Parenthood was formed by Margaret Sanger, who was a progressive supporter of eugenics. From Wikipedia: Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able- minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. In A Plan for Peace, an essay in the April 1932 issue of Birth Control Review, Sanger proposed a congressional department to address population problems. She recommended that immigration exclude those "whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race," and that sterilization and segregations be applied to those with incurable, hereditary, disabilities Sanger claimed that birth control advocates and eugenics advocates shared a common goal of "assisting the race toward the elimination of the 'unfit'". While Sanger supported negative eugenics, she asserted that eugenics alone was not sufficient, and that birth control was essential to achieve that goal. She advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating
Exactly.
CZ82 must think the animal world functions like a Disney movie where animals are not constantly living in fear of predation or hunger, etc. In fact, CZ82, was too stupid to realize this article was blaming the social darwinism on progressives and there he goes arguing for the killing off the the weak like nature does.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Tell me where you live and let me prove otherwise.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Christ was in favor of paying taxes and a statist. In any case, you pigs did not dispel the charge that you want a state system that allows the weak to die without any state intervention. We saw lots of examples of that kind of state that killed millions like in Ireland or the slums of England and America in the 19th century. Sin of commission and sin of omission.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Dayton Ohio. Meet me at the greyhound bus station when you ride in. When will you be here?
That is not true. Give me a quote.
What a pussy you are.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
What a pussy you are. You're the internet tough guy that just turned down an offer.
Give me a quote. Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist. Here is God saying so in his own words in the Bible: In Genesis 41:33-36, God's plan via Joseph gives his advice to Pharaoh to tax and then spend and subsidize the economy in times of recession: “Now therefore, let Pharaoh select a discerning and wise man, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, to collect one-fifth of the produce of the land of Egypt in the seven plentiful years. And let them gather all the food of those good years that are coming, and store up grain under the authority of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. Then that food shall be as a reserve for the land for the seven years of famine which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land may not perish during the famine.” In Ex 23:10-11, Lev 25:5-7 God is pro government regulation of industry basically halting commerce for the sake of society. In Deut 15:1-6 and Deut 15:3 from Deut 15:7-11 the Scriptures teach a cancelling of outstanding debt and not just an annulment of the interest on the debt (govt taking away profits). Jesus was pro taxes: In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes: "After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" "Yes, he does," he replied." In Matthew 22:15-22 we read: "Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)" This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26. So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed. In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV) Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God. Romans 13:2 gives this warning: "Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7: "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." Jesus was against capitalist banking (Matthew 21:12): Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. Jesus is against markets: John 2:16 "To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"" Jesus warns the rich against hoarding their money and for the rich giving away their money to the poor: Mark 10:17-25.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Provide your telephone number. You made the challenge so pony up the information.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You want me to give you my number? Are you crazy?
Pussy.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Have you ever heard of that saying you are what you eat? Hmm dick?
Have you ever heard of that saying you are what you eat? Hmm dick? ROTFLMAO.
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With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
In fact, CZ82, was too stupid to realize this article was blaming the social darwinism on progressives and there he goes arguing for the killing off the the weak like nature does. You must not have liked the part about saving yourself from yourself or you would be extinct yourself.... tsk...tsk...tsk!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
No you wont. Try it again. Oh you can't.
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"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: hondo68, jwpegler, lucysmom (#1)
#3. To: Godwinson, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#2)
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a social safety net? That is an ideology that kills the weak. It's OK if they die on their own for lack of food or health care or shelter?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
Your family, church, and community must be real heartless bastards if they won't help you.
#5. To: Godwinson (#2)
Then why do you pigs support capitalism without a social safety net? That is an ideology that kills the weak. It's OK if they die on their own for lack of food or health care or shelter?
#6. To: lucysmom, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#4)
the community is just plain overwhelmed
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: Godwinson (#2)
Then why do you pigs support capitalism without a social safety net? That is an ideology that kills the weak. It's OK if they die on their own for lack of food or health care or shelter?
#8. To: hondo68 (#6)
...By socialist statists. Devastated by progressive, community organizer parasites.
#9. To: Godwinson (#2)
That is an ideology that kills the weak.
#10. To: CZ82 (#7)
Does the animal world have a social safety net????? NO!!!! Are they suffering for it???? NO!!!!
#11. To: lucysmom (#4)
Or perhaps the community is just plain overwhelmed.
#12. To: A K A Stone (#9)
You're the biggest pussy on the board and you are still alive. You disproved your own pathetic theory.
#13. To: lucysmom (#10)
Competing males in the animal world will often kill the young fathered by others males, would you also recommend that as a model for human behavior?
#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Yes Yes....With all the bullshit things you statists demand we pay for. It is overwhelmed. Your arguments for more deficits is underwhelming though.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
In our society the classless females hire males to stick instruments up their pussies and kill the baby that is up in the womb.
#16. To: lucysmom (#14)
If it weren't for the state developed internet, you and I would've never encountered each other.
#17. To: lucysmom (#15)
In our society the classless females hire males to stick instruments up their pussies and kill the baby that is up in the womb.
#18. To: lucysmom, hondo68 (#8)
I love it when you self-identified smart, free and, independent types replace thought with mindless labels.
#19. To: Murron (#18)
'RACIST'! 'ISLAMOFASCIST'! 'HOMOPHOBE'! 'BIGOT'! and many more. When you don't have an intelligent thought to call your own, just reach into your bag of labels and choose one.
#20. To: lucysmom (#10)
Competing males in the animal world will often kill the young fathered by others males, would you also recommend that as a model for human behavior?
#21. To: lucysmom (#14)
If it weren't for the state developed internet, you and I would've never encountered each other.
#22. To: CZ82 (#21)
It sure as hell wasn't their idea, and was funded with the taxpayers money!!!!
#23. To: hondo68 (#1)
Now instead of sterilization, the progressives use abortion clinics set up in the ghettos.
The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and switchblades. -- Alice Cooper
#24. To: hondo68 (#3)
Your family, church, and community must be real heartless bastards if they won't help you.
The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and switchblades. -- Alice Cooper
#25. To: CZ82, hondo68, jwpegler, lucysmom (#7)
Does the animal world have a social safety net????? NO!!!! Are they suffering for it????
#26. To: A K A Stone (#9)
You're the biggest pussy on the board and you are still alive. You disproved your own pathetic theory
#27. To: jwpegler, hondo68, lucysmom (#24)
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Your family, church, and community must be real heartless bastards if they won't help you.
#28. To: Godwinson (#26)
#29. To: Godwinson (#27)
Christ was in favor of paying taxes and a statist.
#30. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#28)
Dayton Ohio. Meet me at the greyhound bus station when you ride in.
#31. To: Godwinson (#30)
Dayton Ohio. Meet me at the greyhound bus station when you ride in.
#32. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#29)
Christ was in favor of paying taxes and a statist.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)
You're the internet tough guy that just turned down an offer.
#34. To: Godwinson (#33)
#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)
You want me to give you my number? Are you crazy?
#36. To: Godwinson (#35)
Pussy.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Pussy.
The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and switchblades. -- Alice Cooper
#38. To: A K A Stone, jwpegler (#36)
#39. To: jwpegler, A K A Stone (#37)
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#40. To: Godwinson (#25)
CZ82 must think the animal world functions like a Disney movie where animals are not constantly living in fear of predation or hunger, etc.
#41. To: Godwinson (#39)
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