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Title: Nouriel 'Dr. Doom' Roubini: ‘Karl Marx Was Right’
Source: International Business Times
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/197 ... -crisis-debt-crisis-europe.htm
Published: Aug 13, 2011
Author: Joseph Lazzaro
Post Date: 2011-08-28 11:38:18 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 32052
Comments: 59

Companies, Roubini said, are motivated to minimize costs, to save and stockpile cash, but this leads to less money in the hands of employees, which means they have less money to spend and flow back to companies.

Now, in the current financial crisis, consumers, in addition to having less money to spend due to the above, are also motivated to minimize costs, to save and stockpile cash, magnifying the effect of less money flowing back to companies.

"Karl Marx had it right," Roubini said in an interview with wsj.com. "At some point capitalism can self-destroy itself. That's because you can not keep on shifting income from labor to capital without not having an excess capacity and a lack of aggregate demand. We thought that markets work. They are not working. What's individually rational ... is a self-destructive process."

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#0)

What's individually rational ... is a self-destructive process.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-28   11:40:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#1)

the senior economic advisor to UBS just penned an article for Bloomberg essentially agreeing with Roubini.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-29/give-marx-a-chance-to-save-the-world-economy-commentary-by-george-magnus.html

Folks need to realize that while Roubini and Magnus are saying Marx correctly identified a problem with capitalism, neither are advocating communism as the correct response.

go65  posted on  2011-08-29   16:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: go65 (#11) (Edited)

companies’ pursuit of profits and productivity would naturally lead them to need fewer and fewer workers, creating an “industrial reserve army” of the poor and unemployed

Yes, but only if you look at a single industry at a time. At one time 80% of the country worked on farms. Today, it's less than 4%. Are the other 76% unemployed? No. People found jobs in newer industries like manufacturing. As manufacturing productivity increased, people found jobs in technology. On and on.

I'll make the point that I've been making for over a year -- we need to have a system where people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can open businesses in their garages and grow them into huge companies with tens of thousands of employees.

That system requires an educated populous and really simple rules.

What we have to day are functional illiterates and the most convoluted tax and regulatory system on the planet. So, of course the economy is not working.

Change government policies and we'll change the economy.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-29   19:39:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#15)

I'll make the point that I've been making for over a year -- we need to have a system where people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can open businesses in their garages and grow them into huge companies with tens of thousands of employees.

In my experiences the biggest thing keeping folks from starting their own businesses is fear of losing health insurance. Go to a single-payer model and watch people start business after business.

That system requires an educated populous and really simple rules.

I assume you support Kerry's plan to grant citizenship to anyone who comes here and graduates from a 4-year institution?

What we have to day are functional illiterates and the most convoluted tax and regulatory system on the planet. So, of course the economy is not working.

We agree on the tax system.

go65  posted on  2011-08-29   21:50:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#16)

In my experiences the biggest thing keeping folks from starting their own businesses is fear of losing health insurance.

No one who has the vision to start a company that could be worth billions one day is going to be stopped by that.

Sure, maybe that's a barrier for someone who would like to open their own Amway or Avon "business", but that's not what I'm talking about.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   10:58:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#18)

No one who has the vision to start a company that could be worth billions one day is going to be stopped by that.

Unless they have kids/family.

go65  posted on  2011-08-30   11:07:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: go65, capitalist eric (#21)

I see that the lazy, retarded nimrods have decided to chime in.

Given that they are too stupid and/or lazy to research things themselves on google, I've decided to spend 6.5 minutes doing it for them:

Go to http://www.ehealthinsurance.com

Type in a Seattle area zip code:

Model a 5 person family -- 50+ husband, 30+ wife, 3 underage daughters.

Here are a sample of the catastrophic plans that show up:

Assurant Catastrophic Plan -- $372.33

Group Health 3500 Catestrophic Plan -- 438.00

Lifewise Copay 7500 -- $456.00

Regence Evolve HSA -- $511.00

Shall I continue???

America has become a nation of the dumb, lazy, and dependent. These people harm us all. Increasingly, my view is that we should just shut down all social welfare programs and put people on cold turkey to shock them out of the stupor that they've put themselves in.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   15:58:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: jwpegler, go65, capitalist eric (#31)

America has become a nation of the dumb, lazy, and dependent.

Fuck you, calling Americans "dumb, lazy, and dependent".

Americans work longer hours for less money (per capita) with less benefits than most of those in the industrialized nations.

All that hard work and for what? So that you fucking traitors to your own people - who side with their exploiters - can call them dumb and lazy?

Fuck you and die, prick.

You just claimed you came back from Taiwan - hey, ask your Taiwanese clients how they like socialized medicine - ask if they feel dumb, lazy, and dependent for loving their single payer federal tax payer funded health insurance.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-30   16:27:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Godwinson (#35)

jwpegler: America has become a nation of the dumb, lazy, and dependent. These people harm us all. Increasingly, my view is that we should just shut down all social welfare programs and put people on cold turkey to shock them out of the stupor that they've put themselves in.

gobsheit: Fuck you, calling Americans "dumb, lazy, and dependent". Americans work longer hours for less money (per capita) with less benefits than most of those in the industrialized nations. All that hard work and for what? So that you fucking traitors to your own people - who side with their exploiters - can call them dumb and lazy?

jwpegler's comments are spot-on.

As the sheeple are taught to rely on the nanny-state for their very survival, they have become lazy, stupid and dependant.

Oh, you find that offensive?

Guess what, gobsheit... so do we. I'm tired of paying "taxes," which is really "tribute" through coercion to thieves, who (after taking a cut for themselves) give MY money to someone who didn't earn it, and doesn't deserve it.

Yes, I find your encouragement of the theft of MY money, and (quite literally) bleeding the ability to take care of MY kids, so that you can give what I worked MY ass off for, to someone sitting on their fat ass, eating cheetos and watching "oprah," or the "Magic Messiah" talk about "hope" and "change" CHAINS, to be extremely offensive.

YOUR philosophical views- disseminated from the parasite leaders (politicians) to society for the last 80+ years, has lead America to become stupid, lethargic and dependant.

YOUR philosophical views would naturally lead to a real-life version of "Idiocracy."

Oh, I know...... that's what you WANT... I suspect it's more about wanting everyone to be as STUPID, as LAZY, as DEPENDANT as you...

****Psst****

Guess what, gobsheit... The nanny-state government is bankrupt.

And whether you like it or not, those that are too STUPID, LAZY or DEPENDANT to get off their fat asses, and fend for themselves, will find themselves DEAD.

Just like your STUPID and LAZY ideas.

The parasite-class has sucked too much blood from the host; the outcome is now inevitable.

Heh.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-30   17:12:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)

Eric,

These people aren't smart enough to get it.

I suspect that most of them are retired government bureaucrats. They spent their entire lives taking orders and shuffling papers.

They just don't understand anything else.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   17:21:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: jwpegler (#39)

These people aren't smart enough to get it.

They don't have much longer to smarten up... and their failure to do so has a high probability of being fatal for them.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-30 17:40:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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