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Title: Nouriel 'Dr. Doom' Roubini: ‘Karl Marx Was Right’
Source: International Business Times
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/197 ... -crisis-debt-crisis-europe.htm
Published: Aug 13, 2011
Author: Joseph Lazzaro
Post Date: 2011-08-28 11:38:18 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 32103
Comments: 59

Companies, Roubini said, are motivated to minimize costs, to save and stockpile cash, but this leads to less money in the hands of employees, which means they have less money to spend and flow back to companies.

Now, in the current financial crisis, consumers, in addition to having less money to spend due to the above, are also motivated to minimize costs, to save and stockpile cash, magnifying the effect of less money flowing back to companies.

"Karl Marx had it right," Roubini said in an interview with wsj.com. "At some point capitalism can self-destroy itself. That's because you can not keep on shifting income from labor to capital without not having an excess capacity and a lack of aggregate demand. We thought that markets work. They are not working. What's individually rational ... is a self-destructive process."

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#0)

What's individually rational ... is a self-destructive process.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-28   11:40:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#1)

the senior economic advisor to UBS just penned an article for Bloomberg essentially agreeing with Roubini.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-29/give-marx-a-chance-to-save-the-world-economy-commentary-by-george-magnus.html

Folks need to realize that while Roubini and Magnus are saying Marx correctly identified a problem with capitalism, neither are advocating communism as the correct response.

go65  posted on  2011-08-29   16:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: go65 (#11) (Edited)

companies’ pursuit of profits and productivity would naturally lead them to need fewer and fewer workers, creating an “industrial reserve army” of the poor and unemployed

Yes, but only if you look at a single industry at a time. At one time 80% of the country worked on farms. Today, it's less than 4%. Are the other 76% unemployed? No. People found jobs in newer industries like manufacturing. As manufacturing productivity increased, people found jobs in technology. On and on.

I'll make the point that I've been making for over a year -- we need to have a system where people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can open businesses in their garages and grow them into huge companies with tens of thousands of employees.

That system requires an educated populous and really simple rules.

What we have to day are functional illiterates and the most convoluted tax and regulatory system on the planet. So, of course the economy is not working.

Change government policies and we'll change the economy.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-29   19:39:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#15)

I'll make the point that I've been making for over a year -- we need to have a system where people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can open businesses in their garages and grow them into huge companies with tens of thousands of employees.

In my experiences the biggest thing keeping folks from starting their own businesses is fear of losing health insurance. Go to a single-payer model and watch people start business after business.

That system requires an educated populous and really simple rules.

I assume you support Kerry's plan to grant citizenship to anyone who comes here and graduates from a 4-year institution?

What we have to day are functional illiterates and the most convoluted tax and regulatory system on the planet. So, of course the economy is not working.

We agree on the tax system.

go65  posted on  2011-08-29   21:50:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#16)

In my experiences the biggest thing keeping folks from starting their own businesses is fear of losing health insurance.

No one who has the vision to start a company that could be worth billions one day is going to be stopped by that.

Sure, maybe that's a barrier for someone who would like to open their own Amway or Avon "business", but that's not what I'm talking about.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   10:58:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#18)

No one who has the vision to start a company that could be worth billions one day is going to be stopped by that.

Unless they have kids/family.

go65  posted on  2011-08-30   11:07:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: go65 (#21)

Unless they have kids/family.

People will great vision aren't going to be stopped because they don't want to shell out $400 a month for a catastrophic healthcare plan. PERIOD.

I pay $380 a month for such a plan for myself, wife, and three kids. It's not that difficult.

You are demonstrating that you don't have any real perspective on entrepreneurs.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   12:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: jwpegler (#22)

People will great vision aren't going to be stopped because they don't want to shell out $400 a month for a catastrophic healthcare plan. PERIOD.

I pay $380 a month for such a plan for myself, wife, and three kids. It's not that difficult.

You are demonstrating that you don't have any real perspective on entrepreneurs.

While appreciate your concern I have started 3 businesses in the past, but I'm a lot less of a risk taker now that I've got 3 mouths to feed, and if something happens and I can't work, my family could lose our insurance/home/etc.

Add the cost of short-term/long-term disability to your calculation as well.

go65  posted on  2011-08-30   15:45:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: go65 (#28)

but I'm a lot less of a risk taker now that I've got 3 mouths to feed

As we've seen in the last three years, the concept of "job security" is an illusion, unless of course you are a government bureaucrat.

The only security any of us really have is in the marketability of our skills.

I market my skills and the skills of people I employ through my own company.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   16:02:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: jwpegler (#32)

the concept of "job security" is an illusion, unless of course you are a government bureaucrat.

The only security any of us really have is in the marketability of our skills.

Elegantly stated.

Of course, the concept is too adult for the left-leaning posters on this forum... they want a "living wage," "guaranteed" benefits, and life-long employment... and if they can't get it based on their SKILLS, drive and competence, then they'll resort to thuggish tactics via the unions, government laws, etc.

Lefties like go56 can't compete, because they aren't hungry enough to try. Easier to steal from others, then work hard.

They're mentally defective.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-30   17:19:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#47. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)

Of course, the concept is too adult for the left-leaning posters on this forum... they want a "living wage," "guaranteed" benefits, and life-long employment... and if they can't get it based on their SKILLS, drive and competence, then they'll resort to thuggish tactics via the unions, government laws, etc.

You don't expect a business to stay open without a profit, why do you expect people to work if they can't support themselves on what they earn?

As for thuggish tactics, let's talk about the gifts demanded of federal, state, and local governments by business to not pick up their jobs and go elsewhere.

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