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Title: Thoughts from Taiwan
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URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/08/thoughts-from-taiwan.html
Published: Aug 19, 2011
Author: Eric Blankenburg
Post Date: 2011-08-19 08:36:27 by jwpegler
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I spent the last week in Taipei, Taiwan visiting a customer. I've been all over Asia, but this was my first trip to Taiwan, other than catching a connecting flight at the airport. I'm sitting here at Taiwan International Airport waiting for my 12 hour flight to Seattle, reflecting on my week. I love Taiwan and its people. The city is on the move. People are hustling and working hard. Yet, they are extraordinarily friendly and caring. Last night we went to Tower 101, which is one of the tallest buildings in the world. Until very recently, it also had the fastest elevator in the world. We climbed from the 5th floor to the observation deck on the 89th floor in a matter of seconds. The view was spectacular. Taipei 101 is designed to withstand typhoon winds and earthquake tremors. Inside the building there is a 660 metric ton steel pendulum (my pic is on the left) which acts as a mass damper that sways to offset movements in the building caused by strong gusts of wind. It's the largest mass damper in the world and the building is an engineering marvel. Afterwards, we had diner at a great restaurant that specializes in dumplings. We were sitting at diner, looking at all of the energy in the city, the wonderful people, and everything that they've accomplished over the last 50 years. I couldn't help but think that if Chiang Kai Shek didn't lead 2 million people off of the mainland, all of these people and what they've accomplished wouldn't be here because the communists would have murdered their parents and grandparents for rebelling just as the communists murdered so many others. Our thoughts quickly drifted to the problems we face in America. Although the American left haven't turned into mass murders (yet), they are killing the country nevertheless. In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. They've also replaced our core values of hard work and responsibility with sloth and dependency. So, you've been on unemployment insurance for 2 years???!!! No problem, Obama and his minions will let you ride out the rest of your miserable life at the taxpayer's expense. At one point last night I told my colleague that we should take every big mouth leftist in the U.S., and dump them off in Taiwan, the Philippines or elsewhere in Asia without a penny in their pocket. If they can manage to survive a year, both they and America would be better off when they come back. I seriously doubt that many of them could survive. It's getting close to boarding time. I am so glad to becoming back to America with another shining example of how the American values of hardwork, thrift, and personal responsibility translate into success in every society. It is so sad that many Americans are losing those very values.
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#25. To: buckeroo (#9)
The same can be said of Scandinavians, but we always talk about them as socialist.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Oh, isn't that peechy-keen! Whats that got to do with any of this discussion? If anything America NEEDS to get back to work as Taiwan demonstrates based on jwpegler's article.
Does that mean you don't think Americans should be free to purchase property and live where ever they want and can afford?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
That's YOUR job! wtf, huh? Always nice to see your ilk's button pushed.
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country. What is it again that makes us great?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class. The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time. What we need is retirement to start earlier - this will free up jobs to new employees. We need 3 days off so that the American can have more family time and reduce divorces, etc and we need manufacturing jobs that can hire people right out of high school - colleges have become money pits for many Americans who now have to go beyond their educational and monetary needs because service jobs need more education for the worker - while still paying less than manufacturing jobs used to. If we put a 100% tariff on imported clothing we could reduce unemployment in America by 50% or more - the garment industry used to be a huge employer of workers - skilled and non skilled - for example.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Ummm - there was strife before integration, it just wasn't your strife.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Just as slaves were less than fully human by law at our country's founding, today's wage slaves are less than human.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. You should get off your ass from your computer and get outside and SCREAM: 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' (borrowed from NETWORK, circa 1976) ... of course, you won't; it is too easy to sit there and chit-chat. It was WW2. After WW2, it has been downhill all the way particularly because of America playing world cop.
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.... That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You can't be serious.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Can you cite any example of ANY nation around the world that does not perform similarly? Yeah, so what? the American government (on all levels) has slowly extracted the tax base from the private sector in such a way that about 20% - 33% of ALL government structures are paying for retirement benefits. In the private sector , no such issue has occurred. But the real perspective is how the politicians have connived, lied, cheated, swindled America into paying retirement benefits for fat, lazy bureaucrats to begin with. They are ALL charlatans. I don't agree. If anything, America needs to work harder, better, faster and cheaper in order to compete with the rest of the world. Blame your Congress whom have systemically driven off manufacturing with excessive regulation while permitting off-shore imports on the cheap.
You're so communal!
Taiwain has a national single-payer health insurance system, and a national pension system, so I'm guessing you told your associates how much better they would be working/living in the U.S.? I assume you also discussed Taiwan's massive stimulus implemented in 2009?
Tagline for sale - inquire within
As less than human, workers don't contribute and thus are not deserving. Employees are not producers, they are parasites.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Sur le conttrary mon ami je suis cadavérique sérieux. (Quite the contrary, I am deathly serious) No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either.
In California, state employee retirement contributions were invested in the market.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
There was the British Empire, but that isn't what I responded to, this was That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The dnc is running on liquor stores - food stamps - voting ! This isn't even apples - oranges !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Unions still exist and shall slowly have an epitaph: Rest In Peace. Unions created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government OVER-REGULATION took the lead; now they are just a vestige that most businesses/government want to eliminate altogether. They are unnecessary to modern business practices.
Yeah, so what? So what? You must agree to this statement and not care - even though this proves America's philosophy regarding the economy is a failure..... Since we agree on the facts the the bone of contention is if that is desirable an outcome or not. Let the people decide. At least you are not pushing the Republican line that these last 30 years were a golden age for American workers before Obama came along (bit rather 30 years of decline thanks to Reaganomics - which you are OK with).
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Then they have to ride the equity/bond/commodity market ROLLER COASTER RIDE like I do. The only methods that balance my portfolio are gold/silver ETFs. Nothing is guaranteed. Live with it.
Businesses created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government DE-REGULATION took the lead and allowed for exportation of jobs and the creation of shoddy Walmart priced goods as the norm.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I only know that we work hard, be responsible and learn to improve our own lives and those around us. It doesn't mean we get a faire share of any dividend whether guaranteed or not. What I am telling you is one of the golden rules, auxiliary codes. It means we don't sit on our butts waiting for something that never shall occur. YOU make things happen, not others whether the "others" are family, church, friends, some charity organization or a government. I refuse to let people decide on my future, so your comment: Let the people decide is almost perverse to me. It rings of mischievous atrocities which created the reasons for the trouble America is in; this is not in my playbook.
You have Stockholm syndrome..... With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I'm surprised to find out Bucky can read.
------------------------------------- Blame the two party system in America. I haven't voted for any charlatan in either of the two large political parties for about 30 years. Assuming Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I shall vote for him in the general election; my mind is already made up, too. So, he shall be the first in decades of voting that garnish my vote from either of these two headed. If RP doesn't win the GOP nomination, I shall vote for a Libertarian candidate which is typical for myself.
Pegleleg posted this thread but seems mysteriously absent from it's discussion. Hmmmmm, I wonder why? My bet... he has everyone but you on Bozo. Since he has me on Bozo I will not ping him. He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
Destro's call to action: **Standing in our way are most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio) who still carry water for the oligarchs that stole our fortunes away. How long will this go on before we correct their error?**
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You just manifested an issue that I can not understand. You are devolving the thread towards archaic name-calling while not giving the poster any benefit of the doubt. jwpegler has said he got back from his week long Taiwan trip. Do you know what a trip like that costs in terms of planning, organizing, dollar costs, the strain of meetings and negotiations to win a contract? And contrary to some viewpoints, the heads of some of these companies don't speak English; there is a significant amount of discussion in Taiwanese lingo which keeps an American in the dark. It is a 12-14 hour trip from Taiwan and even IF he was in 1st class, he would be exhausted coming back to his home; and while he was gone for a week, he also had to deal with his company/personal matters WHILE away. It isn't a luxury vacation at all. It is draining and stressful event with no guarantee of an outcome. Shame on you, mininggold; you don't understand business at all especially for an awesome entrepreneur such as jwpegler right here on our own forum. Why don't you ask him questions that are meaningful as opposed to being accusatory in nature and structure? You could learn something from him. How do you know what I define? Have you ever asked before?
jwpegler was called out on his Bull Shit (trying to BS us into thinking Taiwan as a limited govt paradise in contrast to regulation/welfare state America).
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Sounds like jwPegler is just another one of your 'monikers'.
Because I can not and will not view your hotlink, I have no idea what you are talking about. Just post an ASCII HTML link. I can not see graphics either. It is the way it is and shall never change for myself until I decide to remove the filters blocking the same.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23324
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I doubt if anyone can use terms of my own meaningful speech capabilities/capacity other than myself. Still, you missed my parting quip based upon your quote and I shall recite it again for you: How do you know what I define? Have you ever asked before? I am fairely steadfast in my opinions until proven otherwise. But, you can't answer a simple question.
Yes I have asked you for an example. Excuse me if I'm not johnny on the spot for one of those of those prompt replies. Try to keep this straight, I'm not one of your flunkies, and I'm doing this in between doing one of those long forgotten, old fashioned conservative behaviors ..canning my own preserves.
Moonshine! Watch out for the revenuers. Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
WHOA Nellie! Here is your earlier claim: I asked later questions about your knowledge of my own considerations because you don't know them. Why? Because I infrequently share them and you never asked. Yet, you assumed that you know my perspectives. Now you say you asked for an "example." Where is your own request ANYWHERE or at ANYTIME? Nope. Answer my questions in post#54; surly you can do this while canning your preserves. Don't play the game of dodge ball with me unless you want to win.
Buckeroo: That is only a matter of relative degree. By the way, not all banks are federally chartered and did not have to comply with federal CRA rules. Then again, those same banks are often considered "shady" or "risky" to investors. They have their place though in an otherwise free market. But we are discussing CRA requirements that are ludicrous and were the reason for the issues we see today for added federal stimulus or less into the economy. In fact, that is the "tug-of-war" on this thread. More stimulus or less stimulus? Both John Keynes and Arthur Laffer are idiots and they are somewhat at opposites poles of thought. buckeroo posted on 2011-06-04 12:51:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Here's an example of a statement I made and your waffling around it.
I'm curious. Why aren't you upset with Jwpeglers obvious refusal to discuss the issues HE presents on his own thread. Mr 'There's no such thing as Mail Order Brides" Pegler should be able to be all over this thread, instead of evidently needing you to speak for him. Is he always this dependent on others to do his work for him?
Thank you. Now, we have a basis for your perspective. I suppose I did not fully elucidate how the federal government "CRA" program has literally destroyed America. What happened was the federal government maintained a method or continuing trend upon local banks to increase an arbitrary number of otherwise ineligible loan applicants for business and home loan for LOAN APPROVAL PURPOSES. This same CRA program interfered with local bank FED reserve requirements which in turn created new markets to buy or purchase those same loans. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN AMERICA! The federal government boosted from 1973 a proportion of loans from 2% to almost 50% of approved loans. That is how America went bankrupt. It was the federal government creating the false promise of home/business ownership.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe Taiwanese are very industrious and really don't enjoy government interference; you don't see the Taiwanese begging to belong to China do you?
#26. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#24)
They get more time off of work than Americans do too.
#27. To: hondo68 (#14)
Ethnic groups naturally segregate which is why you have chinatown, little italy, etc. sections in most cities.
#28. To: Godwinson (#12)
He is spreading BS that affects the lives of Americans
Which (R) candidate do you hate the most? That may finalize my decision.
#29. To: buckeroo (#26)
Oh, isn't that peechy-keen! Whats that got to do with any of this discussion? If anything America NEEDS to get back to work as Taiwan demonstrates based on jwpegler's article.
#30. To: buckeroo, lucysmom, jwpegler (#26)
If anything America NEEDS to get back to work
#31. To: hondo68 (#14)
Gov tries to force integration and creates strife. It's hObama's progressive "change", for the worse.
#32. To: Godwinson (#30)
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class.
#33. To: lucysmom (#29)
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country.
What is it again that makes us great?
#34. To: buckeroo, lucysmom, jwpegler (#33)
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country.
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
#36. To: Godwinson (#30)
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class.
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time.
What we need is retirement to start earlier - this will free up jobs to new employees. We need 3 days off so that the American can have more family time and reduce divorces, etc and we need manufacturing jobs that can hire people right out of high school - colleges have become money pits for many Americans who now have to go beyond their educational and monetary needs because service jobs need more education for the worker - while still paying less than manufacturing jobs used to.
If we put a 100% tariff on imported clothing we could reduce unemployment in America by 50% or more - the garment industry used to be a huge employer of workers - skilled and non skilled - for example.
#37. To: Godwinson (#34)
allowing businesses to break up unions
Workers and voters are rejecting Unions...and businesses benefit.
#38. To: jwpegler (#0)
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In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. They've also replaced our core values of hard work and responsibility with sloth and dependency. So, you've been on unemployment insurance for 2 years???!!! No problem, Obama and his minions will let you ride out the rest of your miserable life at the taxpayer's expense.
#39. To: Godwinson (#34)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
#40. To: lucysmom (#35)
You can't be serious.
#41. To: buckeroo (#36)
Yeah, so what? the American government (on all levels) has slowly extracted the tax base from the private sector in such a way that about 20% - 33% of ALL government structures are paying for retirement benefits.
#42. To: buckeroo (#40)
No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either.
#43. To: Godwinson (#7)
#44. To: Godwinson (#34)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
#45. To: buckeroo, lucysmom (#36)
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time.
#46. To: lucysmom (#41)
In California, state employee retirement contributions were invested in the market.
#47. To: buckeroo (#44)
. Unions created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government OVER-REGULATION took the lead;
#48. To: Godwinson (#45)
(Edited)
So what? You must agree to this statement and not care - even though this proves America's philosophy regarding the economy is a failure.....
Since we agree on the facts the the bone of contention is if that is desirable an outcome or not. Let the people decide. At least you are not pushing the Republican line that these last 30 years were a golden age for American workers before Obama came along (bit rather 30 years of decline thanks to Reaganomics - which you are OK with).
#49. To: buckeroo (#48)
I only know that we work hard, be responsible and learn to improve our own lives and those around us. It doesn't mean we get a faire share of any dividend whether guaranteed or not.
#50. To: mininggold (#20)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#51. To: Godwinson (#47)
Businesses created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government DE-REGULATION took the lead and allowed for exportation of jobs and the creation of shoddy Walmart priced goods as the norm.
#52. To: buckeroo (#9)
If I were you, I would modify your preface statement and congratulate jwpegler for his hard work to land a contract while making a few bucks.
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
blame the two party system in America. I haven't voted for any charlatan in either of the two large political parties for about 30 years.
#54. To: mininggold, jwpegler (#52)
Pegleleg posted this thread but seems mysteriously absent from it's discussion. Hmmmmm, I wonder why? My bet... he has everyone but you on Bozo. Since he has me on Bozo I will not ping him.
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
#55. To: buckeroo, mininggold, jwpegler (#54)
#56. To: buckeroo (#54)
You just manifested an issue that I can not understand. You are devolving the thread towards archaic name-calling while not giving the poster any benefit of the doubt. jwpegler has said he got back from his week long Taiwan trip. Do you know what a trip like that costs in terms of planning, organizing, dollar costs, the strain of meetings and negotiations to win a contract? And contrary to some viewpoints, the heads of some of these companies don't speak English; there is a significant amount of discussion in Taiwanese lingo which keeps an American in the dark.
#57. To: Godwinson (#53)
#58. To: buckeroo (#57)
#59. To: mininggold (#56)
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
#60. To: buckeroo (#59)
(Edited)
I am fairely steadfast in my opinions until proven otherwise. But, you can't answer a simple question.
#61. To: mininggold, buckeroo (#60)
.canning my own preserves
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#62. To: mininggold (#60)
Yes I have asked you for an example.
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
Excuse me if I'm not johnny on the spot for one of those of those prompt replies. Try to keep this straight, I'm not one of your flunkies, and I'm doing this in between doing one of those long forgotten, old fashioned conservative behaviors ..canning my own preserves.
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
Mininggold: There are no free markets nor have there ever been.
#64. To: buckeroo (#62)
Nope. Answer my questions in post#54; surly you can do this while canning your preserves. Don't play the game of dodge ball with me unless you want to win.
#65. To: mininggold (#63)
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