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Title: Entire U.S. Stealth Fighter Fleet Grounded
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WIRED
URL Source: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/201 ... tealth-fighter-fleet-grounded/
Published: Aug 10, 2011
Author: By David Axe and Noah Shachtman
Post Date: 2011-08-10 12:55:54 by Brian S
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Views: 24825
Comments: 49
In past few decades, the U.S. Air Force has spent untold billions researching and developing a family of stealth fighter jets that are supposed to be generations ahead of any dogfighters in the sky. But after building more than 170 F-22 Raptors and a handful of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, not a single one is available for service. The Air Force currently has zero flyable stealth fighters. None. The vaunted F-22 has been grounded with a possible faulty oxygen system since May. Production of the last few Raptors is even on hold, because the jets can’t fly from the factory. Last week, test flights for the newer F-35 were suspended, too, because of a valve problem in the plane’s integrated power package. It’s the third time this year that JSFs have been grounded. Tests may resume as early as next week. Then again, they may not. Yesterday, the U.S. military committed to spending another $535 million to buy 38 more Joint Strike Fighters — a family of stealth jets that are supposed to become the multipurpose, affordable workhorses of tomorrow’s fleet. Ninety percent of America’s combat aviation power is eventually supposed to come from the jets’ three variants. But the jets have been anything but cheap. The current cost for the JSF program is $382 billion and rising for more than 2,400 aircraft. No wonder just about every major deficit reduction plan scales back the JSF effort in some way. And, at the moment, they’re not producing any combat power, either. Back in 2002, the plan was to have more than 90 JSFs flying by next year. As things currently stand, the Air Force and Navy might not get their variants until 2016. The Marines — who knows? For now, every available penny in the JSF program is tied up in getting the jets back into the air and their programs on track. “The so-called ‘fifth-generation’ fighters have certainly revolutionized U.S. air power,” Ares’ Bill Sweetman noted, “if not quite in the way anyone had in mind.”
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FWIW, both of these projects had cost - cough, cough - "overruns" and we will be paying for them for the next 10 years - not including interest.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Loonymom/ming and the rest of you socialists... you wonder what happened to the money in the Social Security "trust fund?" It was taken out, and used on stupid crap like this. Oh, and in return for the money you paid in for decades, they left a little IOU, backed by the "full faith and credit" of the US Government... Errr... Ummm... well, it would seem that "credit" is not quite so good now, IS it? Your money- for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide, has been stolen by the government, and spent. The cash is GONE. It no longer EXISTS. This article demonstrates what that money bought...
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
It was lent to government to be paid back with interest. That was the deal.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Your money- for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide, has been stolen by the government, and spent. AA+ is still darn good credit. The thieves who would steal Social Security money from America's grandmothers and grandfathers are those like you who got your tax cut, ran up the debt and now figure you're too precious to do the honorable thing and pay back the debt.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I didn't GET a tax cut. The money I make, to support MY family, goes instead to support parasites like YOU. You don't want to be a burden to your family, but you think it's A-OK to be a burden to MY family? You're "The Greediest Generation," indeed.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
You rally are a fucking moron...WE have been saying this for years. /tool
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
The cash is GONE. It no longer EXISTS. With respect to SS, you can thank Ronald Reagan for diving into the funds .... to pay for star wars. And these little grounded bombers? Star Wars.
So GE could get contracts from Mr GE. Say it wasn't so.
The warmonger neolib chickenhawks needed the dough to bomb legitimate governments, and protect al-qaeda "democratic" rebels, bail out hObama's fat cat banksters, automaker and union contributors, and hire more gay&lesbian communists to harass business, and grope grandmas.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
No no no. During the Reagan Administration, his principle of SS reform was contained in H.R. 4331. Beyond raising a few pennies for SS reform, that same bill authorized the use of the so-called "Social Security Trust Fund" for federal inter agency use. I quote: Although the Lockheed F117 Bomber (stealth fighter) was already in research, the first one was test flown in 1981. To produce the many that were imagined by the DoD required piles of money. It was produced by SS borrowing by the DoD and has ever since.
G.E. Wins 'Star Wars' Contract By JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr., Special to the New York Times Published: May 13, 1988 The Defense Department, awarding one of the largest contracts yet under the Strategic Defense Initiative, today chose an industry team led by the General Electric Company to play a leading role in the development and initial deployment of defenses against ballistic missiles. Under the $236 million contract, the companies would serve as architects for a system of interceptor missiles, sensors and communications links, many of them based on satellites, that would be deployed beginning in the late 1990's as the first phase of President Reagan's ''Star Wars'' program. General Electric, as head of the engineering team, attains sudden prominence in the Star Wars program, where it has not been a major presence. Pentagon officials had required bidders not to be involved in any of the major hardware projects under the new team's management, to avoid potential conflicts of interest. Principal Team Members The General Electric team, which won the competition over a team led by the General Dynamics Corporation, includes several subcontractors. The main subcontractors are the Science Applications International Corporation, the American Telephone and Telegraph Company's Federal Systems division, the Nichols Research Corporation, the McDonnell Douglas Astronautics Company and the Computer Science Corporation's Defense Systems division. The winning companies will not build much of the hardware under this contract. But their work, described as ''systems engineering and integration,'' will influence the course of what could become the next decade's most ambitious arms project. The first phase is expected to cost $100 billion to $150 billion. Even before the final decision on deploying the weapons can be made, some time in the mid-1990's, the Pentagon expects to spend many billions of dollars on additional research into the technologies that would be used. Job's Optional Extensions The contract awarded today is for five years' work and includes provisions for two optional extensions of two years each. It represents a notable step toward eventual deployment of a Star Wars defense, following a Pentagon decision last fall to begin development of the key systems envisioned for the program's first phase.
That's what happens when you have for profit businesses in bed with the govt.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I suppose you missed my point of view in agreeing with Eric, earlier. There is no so-called "social security trust fund" it has all been stolen by these archaic US defense programs. The mechanism for the theft or robbery of the same trust funds was initiated almost immediately by Ronald Reagan in 1981 under the colour of social security reform. Although intended as short term borrowing, the theft of government about social security has been carried on for three decades now. And there is no way the US government can pay the money back to that silly trust fund. That is why you see America's current stealth bombers grounded, America is broke.
The mechanism for the theft or robbery of the same trust funds was initiated almost immediately by Ronald Reagan in 1981 under the colour of social security reform. Although intended as short term borrowing, the theft of government about social security has been carried on for three decades now. And there is no way the US government can pay the money back to that silly trust fund. That is why you see America's current stealth bombers grounded, America is broke. She may have missed it, but I did not. It is a pithy, and elegant summary. No matter whether it be the Tea Party, GOP, DNC, whoever... the money's gone, and we've got a bunch of military hardware (and a few full graveyards worth of dead military) to show for it. It's a mathematical impossibility, to restore what has been stolen. I don't know how all this is gonna' play out... but I know that the promises made to ming/loonymom, yourself, Fred Mertz, and all the other people that are at (or close to) retirement, and think Social Security's gonna' be there for them... all of those promises will be broken. loony/ming expects that it will be "paid in full, with interest." What she receives will be paid with completely devalued notes... IF they bother to even give her anything from such a "promise." My parents will be among those who pay the price for this failed, bloated government. I've known this for a while... and it's why I bought a house a lot bigger than my family really needs... because I know at some point, they're going to be living with us. (((((sigh)))))
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Imagine what would have happened if under the Bush admin SS was privatized into Wall Street funds?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Anybody smell a False Flag around the corner? After building more than 170 F-22 Raptors and a handful of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, not a single one is available for service. The Air Force currently has zero flyable stealth fighters. None. The vaunted F-22 has been grounded with a possible faulty oxygen system since May. Sandbagging projects been a great way to siphon a never-ending blank check from the fedgov. UNTIL NOW. The decades-old corruption and incestuous relationship and gravy-train between politicians and defense-contractor lobbyists is finally in jeopardy.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
By whose consent??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Yes, but still artificially high.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Maybe they are grounded because they are not cost effective. After all even the military should be run like a business, don'tchathink?
/tool Uh, no... Eric is quite bright. You just find his ideological philosophy the polar opposite to your leftist-sycophancy. And like 99% of your brethren, you need desperately to discredit conservatism and squelch the truth of the matter, while buoying the continued Epic Fails of socialism, statism, and multiculturalism. YOU continue to remain a tool of the left and intellectual enigma, IMO.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
WHAT "Star Wars"?? It was a phantom defense system. Moreover, Reagan's top advisers were neocon-globalist moles who sabotage him behind the scene. You ought to know this.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
NAILED TO THE WALL. Nicely done.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
So is a white mouse under a spotlight...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
BTW, just about anyone next to the both of you is a supernova...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
IF the guy knew his programs like this were Trojan horses, and his advisers were NWO-weasels, and Fix was in, he'd NEVER have authorized such bullsh*t.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
LOL! (at least you didn't include byeltsin in our little group.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
ROFL!!
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
And don't forget yourself as well. Still, when examining the US governments use of social security trust funds through the last 30 years we see why most presidential administrations have turned a "blind eye" towards one of America's largest plights: illegal immigration. As social security trust funds were depleted for America's escapades around the world with sophisticated C4I technologies costing BILLIONS there was an interesting phenomena: America permitted illegals to swarm across the border to help shore up SS, free of charge to the US as there was little payback (if any) when considering illegal aliens were using false SS numbers to land a job. Every little bit helps fight in some foreign war, doesn't it?
Let us pray.
I try...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
All planes have "teething" problems, some are simple to fix some not so simple.... And all I've ever heard as long as I can remember is "The damn thing costs too much why do we have to have it"..... nothing is cheap anymore except for some older generation equipment..... which is fine in "Most" circumstances nowadays..... But there is always a need to push forward research into making things the best they can be, cause you know the enemy is trying to make something to defeat you...... If you want to be safe and you want to be free, it costs...... whether it be money, or it be in lives, it costs..... and neither one comes cheap.....
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Of course. Are you aware how the US defense industry is so powerful? The issue is often about congressional lobbyists that eventually receive their rewards being written into the US federal budget via "pork barrel spending." It is essentially a backdoor to official DoD programs. Through the years, these shenanigans have cost Americans TRILLIONS of dollars of wasted spending. America's congressional system is FILLED with corruption behind the "smokey back-doors of cigar filled rooms" with pandering at all times. It doesn't mean the DoD is not responsible, either. It permits the same because of the influence of the same lobbyists because they are often retired generals or admirals. There is no method to calculate the US federal defense budget, either. The CIA and other clandestine "official" government groups are threaded in with generic flavoring. In fact, Congress can NEVER know the CIA's actual budget from year to year. But, I can categorically state: the US defense industry has lead America on a false promise. There hasn't been a war won ANYWHERE since WW2. Prove me wrong, if you decide to research the same. Better be damned factual, too.
BINGO! As social security trust funds were depleted for America's escapades around the world with sophisticated C4I technologies costing BILLIONS there was an interesting phenomena: America permitted illegals to swarm across the border to help shore up SS, free of charge to the US as there was little payback (if any) when considering illegal aliens were using false SS numbers to land a job. Shoring up SS by allowing the illegal invasion was one theory; The others are sabotage and treason. US legislators/globalist tool purposely ignored (as you well know) a hostile illegal invasion and tacit declaration of war by Mexico. This they hoped would diluted American sovereignty, nationalism, economy, and realign a new potential demographic and voting constituency (favoring continued statism/socialism). A Balkanized America is a Dead America. Every little bit helps fight in some foreign war, doesn't it? While conveniently leaving America naked and a chaotic social and economic tinderbox.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
It was a phantom defense system. Moreover, Reagan's top advisers were neocon-globalist moles who sabotage him behind the scene. You ought to know this. How else did the Reagan administration pay for his projects called "star wars?" You act as though a "phantom program" doesn't cost BILLIONS. Do you think it was with Reagan's Dr. Laffer 'trickle down theory' or robbing social security trust funds? And "Star Wars" was directly linked to the explosion of the US DoD annual budget. It still is. The F117 was eventually used in 1991 with GHBush's invasion into Iraq. Another meaningless war AND GWBush's Iraqi Freedom BS. Those stealth bombers are now replaced by more sophisticated craft. Got any more money?
Sure, I agree - Iraqi Freedom was a Fake War that helped usher in Poppy's NWO declaration. The F117 was a boondoggle - even if it did eventually finally get off the ground as an effective weapon. How else did the Reagan administration pay for his projects called "star wars?" With an unlimited, undisclosed budget and allocation of funding based on the whims of professional thieves? WTH knows?? You act as though a "phantom program" doesn't cost BILLIONS. Do you think it was with Reagan's Dr. Laffer 'trickle down theory' or robbing social security trust funds? Even a Hollywood set is expensive. During WWII - before D-Day - thetorically speaking, how much did the Allies spend on camouflaging and producing fake military installations so that they'd look authentic from the air? Who knows how much this phantom 'Star Wars' project actually did cost? Even fake wheels-in-motion were required. It shouldn't have been much relatively speaking. We can be sure of whatever funding was allocated, probably 90% was siphoned off into the pockets of bureaucrats and lobbyists.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
America's congressional system is FILLED with corruption behind the "smokey back-doors of cigar filled rooms" with pandering at all times. It doesn't mean the DoD is not responsible, either. It permits the same because of the influence of the same lobbyists because they are often retired generals or admirals. There is no method to calculate the US federal defense budget, either. The CIA and other clandestine "official" government groups are threaded in with generic flavoring. In fact, Congress can NEVER know the CIA's actual budget from year to year. But, I can categorically state: the US defense industry has lead America on a false promise. There hasn't been a war won ANYWHERE since WW2. Prove me wrong, if you decide to research the same. Better be damned factual, too. EXCELLENT post. Bears repeating.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
America has NEVER been so weakened as right now; I mean at this instant; on a personal basis I have lost another $20,000 in equities trading as of the moment. [It increasingly appears as though I am going to adopt an idea on one of your threads concerning England's riots since I won't be eligible for even a food stamp: kick in the doors of a local McD's and make some burgers] I shall have a problem though: where shall I receive some anti-acids tablets?
Needless to say, that's distressing... Operation: HOPE AND CHANGE is doing just that...for the Elites and the Parasite Class; Culling the American Middle Class, siphoning our wealth and "spreading the wealth"; and ultimately creating chaos, anarchy, and a future Police State called upon to "quell the disorder" and "restore order." Establishment Republicans like Poppy and Sonny and elites of BOTH parties have been squarely in on The Fix. Pete, I pinged you because we're on the same wave-length here and you've often mentioned the same dynamics. Don't know how the PTB's plan pans out, but it's getting real messy real quick.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I've not.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Thanks, but the direct issue was brought up by Eric on this thread. As a nation, we are failing. I don't think anyone can seriously argue Eric's perspective with any view point other than one. And, there is no reason for America's downfall either other than useless, fat and lazy bureaucratic leaches taking advantage of America. Note to Eric: cool the rhetorical stuff so we can see your ideas more clearly. :)
Maybe buck can ask The Chocolate Messiah to help him out? Besides bailing out banks and corporations,didn't he promise to pay house payments and car payments for people?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
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--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#2. To: Brian S, lucysmom, mininggold, godwinson, war, skip intro, a k a Stone, jwpegler, hondo68, cz82 (#0)
In past few decades, the U.S. Air Force has spent untold billions... Yesterday, the U.S. military committed to spending another $535 million... The current cost for the JSF program is $382 billion
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
Loonymom/ming and the rest of you socialists... you wonder what happened to the money in the Social Security "trust fund?" It was taken out, and used on stupid crap like this.
#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
Errr... Ummm... well, it would seem that "credit" is not quite so good now, IS it?
#5. To: lucysmom (#4)
The thieves who would steal Social Security money from America's grandmothers and grandfathers are those like you who got your tax cut...
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
Your money- for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide, has been stolen by the government, and spent.
#8. To: buckeroo (#7)
With respect to SS, you can thank Ronald Reagan for diving into the funds .... to pay for star wars. And these little grounded bombers? Star Wars.
#9. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
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"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#10. To: mininggold (#8)
So GE could get contracts from Mr GE. Say it wasn't so.
"We all know that interfund borrowing is just a temporary solution to the financing difficulties ahead for social security, which are real and serious. The bill authorizes interfund borrowing until the end of 1982 the same time the new National Commission on Social Security Reform is scheduled to report its recommendations." -- Ronald Reagan, December 29, 1981
#11. To: buckeroo (#10)
(Edited)
No no no.
#12. To: Capitalist Eric, Brian S, lucysmom, mininggold, war, skip intro, a k a Stone, jwpegler, hondo68, cz82 (#2)
Loonymom/ming and the rest of you socialists... you wonder what happened to the money in the Social Security "trust fund?" It was taken out, and used on stupid crap like this.
#13. To: mininggold (#11)
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
I suppose you missed my point of view in agreeing with Eric, earlier. There is no so-called "social security trust fund" it has all been stolen by these archaic US defense programs.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#15. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#4)
#16. To: LP (#0)
#17. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#3)
It was lent to government to be paid back with interest. That was the deal.
#18. To: lucysmom (#4)
AA+ is still darn good credit.
#19. To: buckeroo (#13)
That is why you see America's current stealth bombers grounded, America is broke.
#20. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#6)
You rally are a fucking moron...WE have been saying this for years.
#21. To: buckeroo (#7)
With respect to SS, you can thank Ronald Reagan for diving into the funds .... to pay for star wars.
#22. To: hondo68 (#9)
The warmonger neolib chickenhawks needed the dough to bomb legitimate governments, and protect al-qaeda "democratic" rebels, bail out hObama's fat cat banksters, automaker and union contributors, and hire more gay&lesbian communists to harass business, and grope grandmas.
#23. To: Liberator (#20)
Eric is quite bright.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#24. To: Liberator (#20)
Eric is quite bright...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#25. To: buckeroo (#10)
...."The new National Commission on Social Security Reform is scheduled to report its recommendations." -- Ronald Reagan.
#26. To: war (#24)
BTW, just about anyone next to the both of you is a supernova...
#27. To: war (#23)
So is a white mouse under a spotlight...
#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)
I don't know how all this is gonna' play out... but I know that the promises made to ming/loonymom, yourself, Fred Mertz, and all the other people that are at (or close to) retirement, and think Social Security's gonna' be there for them... all of those promises will be broken.
#29. To: Liberator (#16)
The decades-old corruption and incestuous relationship and gravy-train between politicians and defense-contractor lobbyists is finally in jeopardy.
#30. To: Liberator (#27)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: Brian S (#0)
#32. To: mininggold (#19)
Maybe they are grounded because they are not cost effective. After all even the military should be run like a business, don'tchathink?
#33. To: buckeroo (#28)
Still, when examining the US governments use of social security trust funds through the last 30 years we see why most presidential administrations have turned a "blind eye" towards one of America's largest plights: illegal immigration.
#34. To: Liberator (#21)
WHAT "Star Wars"??
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
The F117 was eventually used in 1991 with GHBush's invasion into Iraq. Another meaningless war AND GWBush's Iraqi Freedom BS. Those stealth bombers are now replaced by more sophisticated craft.
#36. To: buckeroo, LP (#32)
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The issue is often about congressional lobbyists that eventually receive their rewards being written into the US federal budget via "pork barrel spending." It is essentially a backdoor to official DoD programs. Through the years, these shenanigans have cost Americans TRILLIONS of dollars of wasted spending.
#37. To: Liberator (#33)
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While conveniently leaving America naked and a chaotic social and economic tinderbox.
#38. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#37)
America has NEVER been so weakened as right now; I mean at this instant; on a personal basis I have lost another $20,000 in equities trading as of the moment.
#39. To: buckeroo (#28)
And don't forget yourself as well.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#40. To: Liberator, Capitalist Eric (#36)
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EXCELLENT post. Bears repeating.
#41. To: Liberator, buckeroo (#38)
on a personal basis I have lost another $20,000 in equities trading as of the moment.
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