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Title: Is obsession with ... conspiracy theories --- a sign of schizophrenia?
Source: wellsphere.com
URL Source: http://www.wellsphere.com/schizophr ... a-sign-of-schizophrenia/897991
Published: Jul 7, 2011
Author: rndiva
Post Date: 2011-07-07 01:00:57 by BorisY
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Views: 30901
Comments: 60

Is obsession with conspiracy theories a sign of schizophrenia?

Posted by rndiva

My husband and I have been married for over 3 years (been together 5 years). For the last two years of our marriage, my husband has become obsessed with conspiracy theories. Initially, I chalked it up as a new hobby/interest. But lately (over the past year) his obsession has progressed and has me alarmed. He spends countless hours on the internet researching conspiracy theories, mostly political (i.e. 9/11, new world order, Illuminati, reptilians, and I could go on and on). We can't have a conversation with him bringing up some sort of theory. He brings them up if were out with other friends or at a party. This concerns me because I feel like he's not the same person I married. He used to be driven, ambitious, and had career goals. He's an engineer and once had dreams of starting his own company. But, he doesn't speak of it anymore. I feel as if we have nothing in common. He becomes defensive and argumentive when I disagree with his theories. One day out of the blue, he went out and bought a huge safe, withdrew all of his savings and bought gold. He wants to to start stockpiling food and supplies for some sort of catastrophic event that he believes is coming. His health history is unremarkable. He does use marijuana daily (which he did prior to our marriage). His younger sister was diagnosed with schizophrenia in her early teens and lives in some sort of assisted living. Should I be worried that he is also showing the beginning signs of schizophrenia, also?

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(including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/hash/cannabis) and alcohol have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing psychosis and schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

(Image Above: Source: Cannabis and schizophrenia. A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts, Lancet, 1987)

Many of these research studies indicate that the risk is higher when the drugs are used by people under the age of 21, a time when the human brain is developing rapidly and is particularly vulnerable.

People with any biological predisposition towards schizophrenia are at the highest risk -- unfortunately its impossible to accurately identify this predisposition beforehand ( a family history of mental illness is just one indicator of such a predisposition). [see causes and prevention of schizophrenia for more information on all risk factors linked to a person developing schizophrenia]

Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases.

Professor Robin Murray (London Institute of Psychiatry) has recently (2005) completed a 15-year study of more than 750 adolescents in conjunction with colleagues at King's College London and the University of Otago in New Zealand.

Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if they were regular cannabis smokers at 15, compared to 1.65 times for those who did not report regular use until age 18.

Many researchers now believe that using the drug while the brain is still developing boosts levels of the chemical dopamine in the brain, which can directly lead to schizophrenia.

Professor John Henry, clinical toxicologist at Imperial College London said research has shown that people with a certain genetic makeup who use the drug face a ten times (1000%) higher risk of schizophrenia. (for example - if your risk of schizophrenia was 6% (due to a family history of mental illness) prior to taking cannabis, it could be 60% -- or more likely than not - after taking cannabis). Every person is different (i.e. has different genes and different environments) - so this "10 Times Higher Risk with cannabis use"- is just a generalization, and it may or may not apply to a given person.

The increased risk applies to people who inherit variants of a gene named COMT and who smoked cannabis as teenagers. About a quarter of the population have this genetic make-up and up to 15 per cent of the group are likely to develop psychotic conditions if exposed to the drug early in life. Neither the drug nor the gene raises the risk of psychosis by itself.

A recent Dutch study showed that teenagers who indulge in cannabis as few as five times in their life significantly increase their risk of psychotic symptoms.

The increase in evidence during the past decade could be tied to the increased potency of marijuana. A review by the British Lung Association says that the cannabis available on the streets today is 15 times more powerful than the joints being smoked three decades ago.

Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a genetic predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable.

Melbourne University's Professor David Castle stated in a February, 2005 interview that heavy drug use during formative times of life, such as the years at school, could affect the way a teenager or young adult thought, impairing cognitive ability and having a long-term impact on job prospects. Victorian studies had revealed that regular use of cannabis by adolescent girls could trigger long-term depression. And for those vulnerable to a psychotic disorder, even a small amount of cannabis could pose a threat.

Professor Castle, author of the book Marijuana and Madness, has said that those people with this "psychotic proneness" were those who had a family history of mental illness or who had had a bad response on their first use of cannabis or to a tiny amount. Others at risk included those who had experienced a psychotic episode where they had paranoid thinking or heard a voice calling their name. Professor Castle said experiencing such a one-off episode was far more common than people thought.

"People with such a vulnerability should avoid cannabis like the plague," he said.

Without the effects of the drug, such a person might live their whole life without ever experiencing mental health problems. It has been estimated, for example, that between 8% and 13% of people that have schizophrenia today would never have developed the illness without exposure to cannabis.

Professor Castle compared the effect to feeding sweets to a diabetic. While high sugar content foods did not cause too many problems for most people in the short term, they could be catastrophic for diabetics.

He said there was an accumulative effect when it came to cannabis use and schizophrenia. Those who used the drug more than once a week were more prone to needing hospitalisation and often suffered other associated problems such as the breakdown of relations with their family, isolation, crime and violence.

* Cannabis impacts on neurotransmitters that regulate how arousal and stress are managed in the brain. Cannabis takes a long time to metabolise, and can quickly build up to high levels in the body. Once you get to this point, there is a real risk of depression or schizophrenia being triggered.

* A Swedish study of 50,000 military conscripts found heavy use of cannabis increased the risk of suicide by four times (400%). A Victorian study of 2332 adolescents found weekly use increased the risk of suicide attempts among females by five times. Weekly use as a teenager doubled the risk of depression and anxiety. Daily use at the age of 20 boosted the risk of depression and anxiety by five times (500%).

Helpful Actions: If you want to avoid getting schizophrenia - research suggests that the number one thing you should avoid are street drugs (especially marijuana/cannabis - but because you never know what someone has put into a street drug, all of them are dangerous). By avoiding use of all street drugs research suggests that you can greatly reduce the chance (by as much as 50% to 80% if you are biologically predisposed) that you'll develop schizophrenia. Avoiding marijuana after developing schizophrenia also helps reduce relapse rates. Some people with schizophrenia suggest that it makes them feel better, but if depression is an issue we recommend these people talk to their Psych-Doc about possible anti-depressant use rather than street drugs.

Do not use even small amounts of cannabis if you have any family history of mental illness, have had an episode of paranoid thinking or hearing voices or had a bad response when first using cannabis or when using a small amount.

Other street drugs are also very dangerous - partly because they are produced in home laboratories with virtually any possible combination of additional substances mixed in with the drugs. See: Crystal Meth & Schizophrenia

Schizophrenia and Cannabis Video Report:

A recent Internet video report on schizophrenia and cannabis has recently become available. To play the video go to the following link - and then click on "Play" button to view any of the 6 different sections of the video report: Messing with Heads: New Research into the longterm effects of Cannabis (Internet Video, 2005) from the Australian Broadcasting Company (ABC).

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Recent news on Marijuana / cannabis and schizophrenia (from schizophrenia.com newsblog)

Marijuana Doubles Risk of Schizophrenia - March, 2005

Interview with Dr. Andrew Campbell on Schizophrenia and Cannabis - Feb, 2005

25% of cannabis users faces a ten-fold higher risk of mental illness - Jan, 2005

True Story of Cannabis-Induced Schizophrenia - January, 2005

Marijuana and Psychosis Link - December, 2004

Another Study Links Marijuana to Schizophrenia - News, April 2004

Psychotic Symptoms More Likely with Cannabis - New Scientist, 2004

The Link between Cannabis and Psychosis - Robin Murray, MD

Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened - New Scientist Magazine

If cannabis is safe, why am I psychotic? - Times Online

My Son and Cannabis - a anecdotal story from a parent convinced that his son's use of cannabis caused the development of schizophrenia. BBC News, June 2005

Drug Abuse and Risk of Developing Schizophrenia - (News)

Marijuana and Schizophrenia - (News)

Cannabis mental health risks 'must be taught' - Guardian Newspaper

Powerpoint Presentation "Canabis: The Facts" by British Toxicology Society Review shows that cannabis use is a risk factor for schizophrenia

Psychiatrists say "No" to Marijuana

The National Institute on Drug Abuse Adds Warning of Major Depressive Disorders (MDD’s) Experienced by Marijuana Users

Causal association between cannabis and psychosis: examination of the evidence. (British Journal of Psychiatry, 2004)

Cannabis use as a probable causative factor in the later development of schizophrenia

Cannabis and neurological soft signs in schizophrenia: absence of relationship and influence on psychopathology

Self reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish conscripts of 1969: historical cohort study

Cannabis and schizophrenia: impact on onset, course, psychopathology and outcomes

Marijuana Mental Disturbances

Most Recent Scientific Research on Schizophrenia and Cannabis:

Cannabis-induced psychosis and subsequent schizophrenia-spectrum disorders:

follow-up study of 535 incident cases. Br J Psychiatry. 2005 Dec;187:510-5

Toward a world consensus on prevention of schizophrenia.

Dialogues Clin Neurosci. 2005;7(1):53-67.

Risk for schizophrenia--broadening the concepts, pushing back the boundaries. Schizophr Res. 2005 Nov 1;79(1):5-13.

The environment and schizophrenia: the role of cannabis use. Schizophr Bull. 2005 Jul;31(3):608-12. Epub 2005 Jun 23.

Predictors of schizophrenia--a review. Br Med Bull. 2005 Jun 9;73:1-15. Print 2005.

Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review. J Psychopharmacol. 2005 Mar;19(2):187-94.

Cannabis use prior to first onset psychosis predicts spared neurocognition at 10-year follow-up. Schizophr Res. 2005 Jun 1;75(1):135-7.

[Acute and chronic cognitive disorders caused by cannabis use] Rev Prat. 2005 Jan 15;55(1):23-6; discussion 27-9. French.

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol effects in schizophrenia: implications for cognition, psychosis, and addiction. Biol Psychiatry. 2005 Mar 15;57(6):594- 608.

Cannabis use and psychotic disorders: an update.

Drug Alcohol Rev. 2004 Dec;23(4):433-43. Review.

Is cannabis an anti-antipsychotic? The experience in psychiatric intensive care. Hum Psychopharmacol. 2005 Apr;20(3):207-10.

Cannabis and risk of psychosis.

Swiss Med Wkly. 2004 Nov 13;134(45-46):659-63. Review.

[Cannabis can double the risk of schizophrenia. Increasing but still controversial knowledge of the psychological effects of the drug]

Lakartidningen. 2004 Oct 7;101(41):3126-7. Swedish.

Is the party over? Cannabis and juvenile psychiatric disorder: the past 10 years.

J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2004 Oct;43(10):1194-205. Review.

Adverse effects of cannabis on health: an update of the literature since 1996.

Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2004 Aug;28(5):849-63. Review.

Cannabis use and risk of psychosis: an etiological link?

Epidemiol Psichiatr Soc. 2004 Apr-Jun;13(2):113-9. Review.

[Cannabis and schizophrenia. From euphoria to psychosis]

Rev Med Liege. 2004 Feb;59(2):98-103. French.

Heavy cannabis users seeking treatment- prevalence of psychiatric disorders.

Soc Psychiatry Psychiatr Epidemiol. 2004 Feb;39(2):97-105.

Cannabis use and the risk of later schizophrenia: a review.

Addiction. 2004 Apr;99(4):425-30. Review.

Cannabis use and psychosis.Drug Alcohol Rev. 1998 Dec;17(4):433-44.

Cannabis use and age at onset of schizophrenia.

Am J Psychiatry. 2004 Mar;161(3):501-6.

Causal association between cannabis and psychosis: examination of the evidence.

Br J Psychiatry. 2004 Feb;184:110-7. Review.

[Cannabis use as a probable causative factor in the later development of schizophrenia]

Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2003 Nov 1;147(44):2178-83. Dutch.

[Use of cannabis in adolescence and risk of schizophrenia]

Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2003 Sep;25(3):131-2. Portuguese.

Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study.

BMJ. 2002 Nov 23;325(7374):1212-3. No abstract available.

[Is there a temporal correlation between substance abuse and psychosis in adolescents?]

Z Kinder Jugendpsychiatr Psychother. 2002 May;30(2):97-103. German.

Cannabis and psychosis.

Curr Psychiatry Rep. 2002 Jun;4(3):191-6. Review.

Cannabis-induced psychosis: a cross-sectional comparison with acute schizophrenia.

Acta Psychiatr Scand. 2002 Mar;105(3):173-8.

Cannabis and schizophrenia: a longitudinal study of cases treated in Stockholm County

Self reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish conscripts of 1969: historical cohort study

For more science studies on this topic, go to these Search Engine Results:

Google Scholar search on "Schizophrenia cannabis" or

"schizophrenia and marijuana"

Books on the Schizophrenia and Marijuana (Cannabis) link:

Marijuana and Madness; Psychiatry and Neurobiology by David Castle and Robin Murray, Published by Cambridge University Press. 2005

This book is available for purchase from Amazon.com here.Amazon: Marijuana and Madness

Learn more about the book: Book Review of "Marijuana and Madness

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megalomania

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Obsession with the exercise of power, esp. in the domination of others

Delusion about one's own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder)

Conspiracy Theories Explained

Random events are deeply meaningful to paranoid schizophrenics. Is something happening in their brains?

By Kathleen McGowan, published on November 01, 2004 - last reviewed on February 20, 2007

Paranoid schizophrenics are prone to delusions, tales in which random events become deeply meaningful. Some believe in complex conspiracies; others think they are Jesus Christ.

These stories sound crazy, but they may be the brain's efforts to make sense of its own internal messages, suggests Shitij Kapur, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto and vice president of research at the Canadian Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. In addition to other brain abnormalities, schizophrenics have too much dopamine. Just as addicts' desensitized dopamine systems make them feel that nothing matters, high levels of the neurotransmitter make schizophrenics believe that everything is significant.

Because the addict's dopamine-driven salience system keeps telling her that something very important is happening, ordinary events appear intensely meaningful. That police car? That song on the radio? That man with a cigarette walking by? They must be part of a massive international conspiracy.

Kapur calls it "biased inductive logic"—a top-down effort to explain the feeling that everything seems important. The cognitive parts of a schizophrenic's brain create the paranoid tale in an effort to explain the constant red alert blaring from the dopamine circuits, using any stimuli available. This is why delusions are culturally appropriate. African schizophrenics may fear they've fallen under the spell of a shaman, while Kapur's patients in Toronto think that the Mounties are after them.

Kapur cautions that this theory is still speculative, but it could support a radical idea: treating schizophrenia with cognitive therapy.

If drugs control the overactive dopamine system, patients may then gradually unlearn their delusions.

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-07   1:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BorisY (#0)

Is obsession with ... conspiracy theories --- a sign of schizophrenia?

Its a sign that people without the education or credentials to diagnose love to throw the psychobabble around.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-07-07   4:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BorisY (#0)

People who believe in Reptillians are nuts.

Noticing anomolies in the 911 conspiracy means you're not brainwashed by the mass media.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-07   7:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

People who believe in Reptillians are nuts.

I thought they were in the Star Trek series????? Doesn't that make them real???? lol.......

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-07   7:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BorisY (#1)

Looks like Boris is off his meds again.

"if you're not cop, you're little people" Image description

Deckard  posted on  2011-07-07   7:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BorisY (#0)

Read the comments. Some are hilarious.

Those are the ones telling her that she is the crazy one and she should listen to her husband.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-07-07   8:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone, All (#3)

People who believe in Reptillians are nuts.

They sure are.

People who think out of their Upper Cortex are thinking with their Reptile Brain.

The part that pulls your hand away from the hot stove before your consciously make the request.

LMFAO

People who think we invaded Iraq/Afghanistan because of 9/11 are thinking out of their Reptile Brain/Upper Cortex.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

Every Corporation is a Conspiracy by definition.

Why did the SS call off it's men from JFK's limousine?

Why did LBJ immediately have the same Limousine restored to mint condition?

How come Poppy didn't know where he was on Nov 22, 1963? When everyone else did?

#

Å8; # xymphora: Victoria Adams xymphora.blogspot.com/2011/04/victoria-adams.html - Cached Apr 28, 2011 – She did not see or hear Oswald. Yet, she should have if he were on the ... Why did Adams not see a scrambling Oswald, flying down the stairs ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#8)

#

# ABQjournal: Trinity 50 Years Later www.abqjournal.com/trinity/trinity2.htm - CachedSimilar The place where the bomb exploded is called Trinity Site, and it was 50 miles and ... Rowena Baca, who runs the family establishment these days, says friendly MPs .... believed the Army cover story that an ammunition dump had blown up. ...

ammunition dump had blown up

Why is this not a Conspiracy Theory?

LMFAO 8D

More much more on CT's on request.

How did Iron sphere's get in the WTC dust. And how did bone fragments get on the Deustche Bank Building roof?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

What were two E-4b's Flying Pentagons

Venus word31

and VP Cheney's jet

Brent Scowcroft doing over DC at 9:30 AM 9/11.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#10)

WELL

WTF do you know.

Not only am I the TOP of a GOOGLE SEARCH.

I'm the ONLY ONE on the GOOGLE SEARCH.

GOT TO BE A PRIZE THERE SOMEWHERE 8D

# LF: The morning of 9/11, before they realized the world had changed libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...t.cgi?ArtNum=11763&Disp... - Cached Jul 30, 2010 – Brent Scowcroft) is aboard one of these Doomsday planes, being brought to Offutt to observe the exercise. ... [Omaha World-Herald, 2/27/2002; Air Force Weather Observer, ... Bush is unable to reach the vice president because Cheney is ... At 9:10+ Scowcroft boards Venus 77, the E-4B Flying Pentagon. ... Å8;

# LF: The morning of 9/11, before they realized the world had changed libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=11763 - Cached Jul 30, 2010 – Obama to ask Cuomo to be 2012 running mate (throws Biden under the bus) .... ODIGO has sent out a warning 1 1/2 hrs earlier warning of an attack on the WTC. ... Cheney's Office Learns Plane that Hit WTC Is Passenger Jet Edit event .... At 9:10+ Scowcroft boards Venus 77, the E-4B Flying Pentagon. ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

8:15: Transponder cut off. ALL SCREENS in EVERY FAA Control Center from Boston to Cleveland to DC lights up with Flt 11.

As well as the Secret Service Screens in WTC 7, where the SS is in Control of ALL Airspace in and around NYC.

bush43 on his way out of the Hotel is accosted by ABC Reporter asking about the hijack.

bush responds he knows and will later make a statement.

cheney is in a confab with buddy O'Keefe. Unexpected and off schedule. Lasting until 9:00, about 45 min, later neither will remember what they talked about.

SS Agent escorting cheney will think it unimportant to tell VPOTUS hijacking underway.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:13:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Did it change, or just continue?

12122000 starts the Rolling Coup. SCOTUS 5 criminals-Rehnquist/Scalia.

9/10 Rummy/Dov Zakheim=$2.3 Trillion missing Pentagon.

And amazing that as nothing on tv, all of a sudden Fox interviews people on the street who know all about what fire does to collapse buildings and Al Qaeda.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:17:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #12. To: All (#11)

Thank you, AKA.

abc tape has the time stamp of 8:31. As they all have 41:41. they've been dated to Flt 11 crash evidently.

16 minutes gone by since transponder cut off. Bedlam in FAA/SS Control Centers.

bush43 heading to publicly disclosed location. Despite.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:19:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #13. To: All (#12)

At 8:31 Gen Winnfield Montaigne has relinquished command of NORAD to a just certified rookie, who will now oversee 9/11 PLUS 6 Air defense Drills underway simultaneously.

In the Pentagon an Air Raid drill is underway.

ODIGO has sent out a warning 1 1/2 hrs earlier warning of an attack on the WTC.

Israeli Security at ALL Airports affected in the US have been warned.

Israelis stay away from WTC's.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:26:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #14. To: All (#13)

Van(from Urban Moving) with mural of WTC's and Israeli Mossad parking in Liberty Park to film and dance.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:27:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #15. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

All of this is a lie:

According to his own recollection, Cheney is puzzled by the reports: “I was sitting there thinking about it. It was a clear day, there was no weather problem—how in hell could a plane hit the World Trade Center?” [Newsweek, 12/31/2001; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 35] He claims it is only when he sees the second tower hit at 9:03 that he realizes this is a terrorist attack, saying, “as soon as that second plane showed up, that’s what triggered the thought: terrorism, that this was an attack.” [Meet the Press, 9/16/2001; CNN, 9/11/2002]

And this is a Lying SS Agent:

(8:50 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Secret Service Agent Outside Cheney’s Office Learns Plane that Hit WTC Is Passenger Jet Edit event

While he is waiting outside the vice president’s office for a scheduled meeting, Dick Cheney’s chief speechwriter John McConnell has been chatting with Cheney’s secretary Debbie Heiden and the Secret Service agent posted at the door. They all see the news about the first plane hitting the World Trade Center on the television above Heiden’s desk. McConnell later recalls, “There wasn’t any kind of alarm. It was just kind of, ‘Oh man, look at that.’”

The Secret Service agent then receives an urgent call from the agency’s intelligence division.

According to McConnell, “He put the phone down and told me: passenger jet. And that’s when you go, Geez. And then you start getting a sick feeling. Because a passenger aircraft is not going to crash into the World Trade Center.” [Hayes, 2007, pp. 329-330]

AGAIN: SS is IN CHARGE of an NSSE in NYC(UN MEETING) The SS is in charge of ALL AIRSPACE in and AROUNd NYC.

All FAA Screens are LIGHTING UP with Flt 11 transponder off.

Cheney has either given orders NOT to be informed and/or someone in the SS is not communicating with Cheney's Agent, or the Agent has been told what to do as he is communicating with 'SS intelligence division.

SS Communications wil be the ONLY Federal Communications that do NOT suffer disruption on 911.

mcgowanjm posted on 2010-07-31 10:31:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

So what's all of this about CT's again.

Keep comin' cause Hell ain't half full.

Sincerely,

Jimmie 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   10:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

Not only am I the TOP of a GOOGLE SEARCH.

I'm the ONLY ONE on the GOOGLE SEARCH.

GOT TO BE A PRIZE THERE SOMEWHERE 8D

James, you DA man!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-07-07   10:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BorisY, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)

Paranoid psychobabble conspiracy theory about fantasy CT's. Too many bong hits!

Boris is taking a trip, without leaving the farm. Perfectly normal for McCain Hussein Obama, D&R liberals.

You better vote for a D or R traitor, or the reptilians will get ya!


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-07-07   10:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#15)

Boris is taking a trip, without leaving the farm. Perfectly normal for McCain Hussein Obama, D&R liberals.

Boris was a McCainiac, with or without Palin.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-07   11:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BorisY, Rudgear, A K A Stone, no gnu taxes, mcgowanjm, Fred Mertz, hondo68, mininggold (#1)

It is kind of sad in America, people need to ask for help over internet chat rooms rather then go to a health professional probably because of costs involved. America has poor preventative medicine compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-07   12:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Godwinson (#17) (Edited)

America has poor preventative medicine

We need to do more to prevent the disease of socialism from spreading.

Abolishing the Department of Education, EPA, OSHA, HUD, midnight basketball, and NPR, would be a good start.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-07-07   12:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: hondo68 (#18)

Abolishing the Department of Education, EPA, OSHA, HUD, midnight basketball, and NPR, would be a good start.

As long as there are functional families in this world, socialism is alive and well.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-07   13:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#19)

As long as there are functional families in this world, socialism is alive and well.

No, what you mean is: As long as there are functional families in this world, socialism will continue to undermine the traditional family as the building block of society in its drive to more easily control a devastated society.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-07-07   13:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rudgear, mininggold, hondo68 (#20)

No, what you mean is: As long as there are functional families in this world, socialism will continue to undermine the traditional family as the building block of society in its drive to more easily control a devastated society.

Traditional families like when the Bible said fathers can kill disobedient children?

Also, if we eliminate OSH, there would be lots of dead dads and moms in workplaces of hell. How is that conducive to good family life?

Conservativism is a mental disorder.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-07   16:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Godwinson (#21)

Conservativism is a mental disorder.

Destro, you Greek freak, you stole that from Michael Savage and the exact quote is: Liberalism is am mental disorder. As for the rest of your post, I'll leave you to untangle and make one coherent statement. I'm not holding my breath, Euro-peon, but try anyway, if only for the practice.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-07-07   16:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rudgear (#22)

Liberalism is am mental disorder.

Freedom (Latin=Liberal) is a mental disorder?

Freedom aka liberalism is the foundation of America.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-07   16:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Godwinson (#23)

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Freedom (Latin=Liberal) is a mental disorder?

Freedom aka liberalism is the foundation of America.

Everybody knows the govt did waco !

At least Timothy Mcveigh was on to something !

All of you dangerous - hallucinating - crazies need to be locked up !

Free speech doesn't mean yelling fire to cause muder - mayhem in a crowded theater !

Thanks to ...

marxist - liberal - affirmative action ---

the whole country has been hopelessly ni**er rigged !

All the necoms want to do is blame - destroy America - republicans - neocons !

All of you crazies take it hook - line - sinker !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-07   16:47:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: BorisY, Rudgear (#24)

At least Timothy Mcveigh was on to something !

conservatives are traitors with mental disorders.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-07   16:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#24)

Freedom is not anarchy !

Both - liberatarian - liberals - have the anarchist coloring book - game plan !

Different colors - pages !

You should drop the neocoms !

come on board with the ultracons !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-07   17:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Godwinson (#25)

There's a tsunami coming !

You lame - cripple - crazies will never make it out of the flood zone !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-07   17:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Godwinson (#25)

Your gps is on ufo !

You're getting email from sasquatch !

You should find help to get your electrodes rewired !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-07   17:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BorisY (#0)

Is obsession with ... conspiracy theories --- a sign of schizophrenia?

Yes, and you're a prime candidate to support that view.

BTW, Wuz you hacked? too.

calcon  posted on  2011-07-07   17:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz, All (#14)

;}

For the conspiracy theorists out there, recall the events surrounding the market crash and the exigency to pass circumstantial legislation that both prevented an audit of the Fed, and to encourage Europe to bail out Greece for the first time. In other words, keeping with the conspiratorial bent, if the SEC does not pursue the perpetrator of this trading pattern, who very well may have been the same one to crash the stock market back in May of 2010, at least we will know why. Oh, and don't be surprised to see the equity flash crash transposed to other politically convenient products when so required (preferably before key political events that require the consumer to suddenly feel wealthy).

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/no-its-not-nat-gas-fractal-also-nanex-discloses-very-ominous-implications-todays-berserk-cru

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   19:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Godwinson (#17)

America has poor preventative medicine compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

As well as the most expensive.

Another CT....LMFAO

Wonder why Obama/Boehner had a good time on the links the other day?

Wonder no more.

AARP furious that SS checks to be cut by new CPI formula....

Serfdom all around....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   19:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#31)

And ANOTHER CT:

Could the USSA MSM use the word 'nuclear' less?

8D

"[Beck:] This catastrophe is, on the one hand, man-made, but on the other hand, geographically, socially and in the time dimension, unlimited. It doesn’t have a limit.

The normal accident, as we have it in mind like a car accident, or maybe even a greater accident, even if thousands of people die, is limited to a specific place, to a specific time, to a specific social group.

But the catastrophe–the consequences of a nuclear catastrophe–is unlimited in space, time and the social dimension. It’s the new kind of risk. [...]

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   20:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mcgowanjm (#31)

AARP furious that SS checks to be cut by new CPI formula....

Obama, Boehner, and anyone else who votes to steal SS from those who paid in, are dead meat. D's and R's deserve it, they've been stealing folks retirement funds for decades.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-07-07   20:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: All (#32)

Heard a peep from Demopublicans about cutting out tyhe $36 Billion Nuclear Loan guarantee Program?

LMFAO, this is good.

"#

*

# Tacomagroove July 7, 2011 at 10:58 am Log in to Reply

for those of you joining us today…

Reactors 3 and 4 are going nuts again…

The media is still limited to either: what they can no longer deny, and are not willing to tell…

Radiation is not a banana

R 1 may be steaming from its base.

Its not fog,

and im tired

On the brightside:

goodnight, find love and cheers Emmy. ;) "

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   20:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)

How about Fort Calhoun and the Corps of Engineers not knowing at what depth the Nuke's Reactor's flood?

1, 010 ft BTW>

2 ft away now....;}

TEOTWAWKI and not a peep from the USSA MSM....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   20:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: hondo68 (#33)

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-07   21:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes, capitalist eric (#6)

Chad T. Facebook

He's fine. You are the sheeple and I hope you enjoy your FEMA concentration camp. 9/11 was an inside job!

http://infowars.com

http://prisonplanet.com

http://thenorthernsurvivalist.com

Jeeze, this one has to be erica.

-------------------------------------
Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-07-07   22:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Biff Tannen (#37)

To: mnehring

The folks I know who are as over the top as the guy here (alien/ufo/reptilian Illuminati stuff) all seem to be triggered by insecurity issues. Either insecurity with themselves or their position. They seem to seek out ‘secret’ knowledge that allows them to know things others don’t. They compensate for their low self worth by pretending they are tapped into a powerful source of knowledge.

That is an interesting take. I tend to agree.

32 posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 06:07:03 by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2745060/posts#14

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-08   2:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#38)

To: RowdyFFC

“He smokes pot every day and has since before you married him? You knew this and married him anyway?”

Many of us are told repeatedly that marijuana use is benign. Here on FR I get into arguments once or twice a month with the Libertarians amongst us who think my opposition to legal marijuana makes me a NANNY STATER.

A daily joint or two is made equivalent to a glass of wine or two. She probably bought the lie, thought it was harmless.

37 posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 07:38:42 by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2745060

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-08   3:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: BorisY (#28)

Psychosis (((disambiguation)))

Menstrual psychosis, abnormal (Boris) behaviour linked to --- menstruation ---

bipolar disorder!! (((manic episodes)))

psychiatric syndrome---delusional belief!!

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2011-07-08   7:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: All (#36)

#20. To: hondo68, Fred Mertz, All (#17)

That makes war a powerful rebel leader.

More like a NATO/NWO puppet. He takes his orders from Nicolas Sarkozy and Helen Thomas.

Plleeeassse.

Sarkozy is a Zionist.

So war is a double agent?

LMFAO Another CT!!!

They're everywhere I tells ya:

"Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy:

"Of the 54 National Security Presidential Directives issued by the [George W.] Bush Administration to date, the titles of only about half have been publicly identified. There is descriptive material or actual text in the public domain for only about a third. In other words, there are dozens of undisclosed Presidential directives that define U.S. national security policy and task government agencies, but whose substance is unknown either to the public or, as a rule, to Congress."

Continuity of Government Plans were Implemented for the United States on 9/11.

Continuity of Government ("COG") measures were implemented on 9/11. For example, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, at page 38:

"At 9:59, an Air Force lieutenant colonel working in the White House Military Office joined the conference and stated he had just talked to Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley. The White House requested (1) the implementation of continuity of government measures, (2) fighter escorts for Air Force One, and (3) a fighter combat air patrol over Washington, D.C."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-08   8:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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