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Title: Frum: Can the Debt Crisis Lead to Impeachment? (Not if the GOP will roll over and pee on their bellies as Frum advocates)
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.frumforum.com/can-the-debt-crisis-lead-to-impeachment
Published: Jul 6, 2011
Author: frum
Post Date: 2011-07-06 16:34:31 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 2460
Comments: 6

The debt-ceiling crisis is growing into an impending constitutional crisis.

Imagine this scenario:

* House Republicans and the president fail to reach a budget agreement.

* House Republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling before August 2, July 22, or whenever the real moment of crisis is.

* The federal government runs out of cash to pay its bills.

* Rather than default on obligations, the president announces his opinion that the debt limit is unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment, an argument increasingly heard this past week. He orders the Secretary of the Treasury to continue borrowing anyway.

* Now what?

Obviously there will be financial consequences, because lenders have to worry whether the post-July 22 debt is quite so guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the United States as the pre-July 22 debt.

More serious however are the legal implications.

While the Secretary of the Treasury and the president will rest their borrowing on Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment, House Republicans will have a non-trivial argument that the Secretary of the Treasury and the president are emitting debt not only in violation of statute law, but in violation of Congress’ supreme authority over public finances.

With the markets bucking and rearing, and the real economy suddenly convulsed, does this not create a crisis atmosphere in which some House Republicans will begin to talk about the impeachment of an allegedly lawless and unconstitutional president?

If we want to avoid that outcome – and I have to believe we all do! – wouldn’t the best idea for now be: just lift the debt ceiling to give all parties more time to work out their differences?

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0) (Edited)

Simply lifting the debt ceiling now would be a horrible idea.

At some point, someone has to have the courage to say no to the loafers, moochers, freeloaders and other assorted parasites.

LIfting the debt ceiling now would be caving into the special interests that are destroying the country.

Frum is a big government Canadian neo-commie who wants a big government to fight his battles in the middle east.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-06   16:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1)

So you want America to not honor her debts?

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-06   16:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#1)

At some point, someone has to have the courage to say no to the loafers, moochers, freeloaders and other assorted parasites.

Agreed, but Republicans refuse to reign in tax subsidies to oil/ethanol companies and others who benefit from loopholes in the tax code. They also refuse to attack defense spending that has doubled in the last 10 years.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-07-06   16:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes, jwpegler (#2)

So you want America to not honor her debts?

Every single Republican in the House has already voted to support raising the debt ceiling, it was part of the Ryan plan which proposed raising the debt ceiling $8.8 trillion over the next 10 years.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-07-06   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#1)

At some point, someone has to have the courage to say no to the loafers, moochers, freeloaders and other assorted parasites.

Agreed.

But WHO? After all, the politicians- by and large- ARE "the loafers, moochers, freeloaders and other assorted parasites."

To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF:

You would rather die than think.
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-06   18:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#5)

Who indeed.

How did the Russians throw off the communists?


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-06   18:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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