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Title: Did Obama Forget Those Private Jet Tax Breaks He Just Denounced Were Created By His Own Stimulus Plan?
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URL Source: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/06/29/obama-stimulus-2/
Published: Jun 30, 2011
Author: Doug powers
Post Date: 2011-06-30 15:34:55 by no gnu taxes
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Comments: 60
Before signing the stimulus bill (aka “Porkulus”) in February of 2009, White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said that, even though the president probably hadn’t read the entire 1,079 bill cover-to-cover, he knew it was okay to sign because he had “a team of the best legislative and economic experts in the country who advised him.” Apparently Obama didn’t check with them before letting loose on private jet tax breaks at today’s press conference. From the Heritage Foundation: The chief economic culprit of President Obama’s Wednesday press conference was undoubtedly “corporate jets.” He mentioned them on at least six occasions, each time offering their owners as an example of a group that should be paying more in taxes. “I think it’s only fair to ask an oil company or a corporate jet owner that has done so well,” the president stated at one point, “to give up that tax break that no other business enjoys.” But the corporate jet tax break to which Obama was referring – called “accelerated depreciation,” and a popular Democratic foil of late – was created by his own stimulus package. “The stimulus is working as intended! Well, except for that part… and that part… and…”
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
All Obama said was the rich can still fly on private jets after the new taxes. He was not against them. Conservatives are stuck on stupid.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I'm sure the corporations will be whining and complaining when the next set of regulations gets passed. Unfortunately they consistently prove Marx was right.
More lies, spin, deflection and the American people are tired of it from the GOP...
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He's a dumbass who is against his own programs. And you're even more of a dumbass for trying to defend him.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Hopefully, he starts trash talking Kenyancare soon, and we'll be on common ground.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stim Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass.
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He didn't need any GOP votes to get the stimulus passed.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Yes he did. Dems had only 59 votes. Franken hadn't been seated yet.
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Republicans proposed several amendments to the bill directed at increasing the share of tax cuts and downsizing spending as well as decreasing the overall price.[12] President Obama and Senate Democrats hinted that they would be willing to compromise on Republican suggestions to increase infrastructure spending and to double the housing tax credit proposed from $7,500 to $15,000 and expand its application to all home buyers, not just first-time buyers.[13] Other considered amendments included the Freedom Act of 2009, an amendment proposed by Senate Finance Committee members Maria Cantwell (D) and Orrin Hatch (R) to include tax incentives for plug-in electric vehicles[14] and an amendment proposed by Jim DeMint (R) to remove language from the bill that would prohibit funds which would be "used for sectarian instruction, religious worship, or a school or department of divinity; or in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission".[15] The Senate called a special Saturday debate session for February 7 at the urging of President Obama. The Senate voted, 61-36 (with 2 not voting) on February 9 to end debate on the bill and advance it to the Senate floor to vote on the bill itself.[16] On February 10, the Senate voted 61-37 (with one not voting)[17] All the Democrats voted in favor, but only three Republicans voted in favor (Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and Arlen Specter), with Specter later switching to the Democratic party.[18] At one point, the Senate bill stood at $838 billion Nothing there about Obama giving a concession of corporate jets. So, as usual, you're just making it up.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
ROFLMAO...I'm not as stupid as you are. Who is a US Senator from the State of Kansas and what company is headquartered there, douche?
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No Kansas Senator voted for the stimulus, douche. You are making the whole thing up.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Don't be clouding the issue with FACTS, what the hell is wrong with you
You never answered the question, douche. Why would a particular Senator have to vote FOR something that he knew was going to pass? But to add further intrigue, why would he have to vote FOR something that had already existed for seven years. For someone who worked in Washington you sure are stupid as to how it works.
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The fact is, Obama wanted to kill corporate jet tax break in 2009 but Sam Brownback was able to preserve the break. The provision had been in effect since 2002. What happened in 2009, was that such business investments in transportation got "acclerated depreciation". As usual, the GOP is clouding historical fact with their revisionism.
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mininggold posted on 2011-06-30 Finally out of the marxist closet eh. We knew it all along.
You already lost the argument spinner. Now your just spinning.
#5. Someday when you're older I'll explain it to you. Until then, son, your thumb is the stubby little thing at the end of your hand and not below your belly button. Quick..pretend you're an umpire and say something even dumber than you just did.
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I guess you don't understand what the qualifier 'unfortunately' means.
Why would a particular Senator have to vote FOR something that he knew was going to pass? Not only are you making things up, you are being stupid about it. You clearly stated that Obama signed the stimulus to appease Republicans (without any evidence of such). Then you tried to say he did it to coax Kansas Senators who never voted for it. In fact, the three GOP Senators who did sign it were Collins, Snow, and Spectre, who didn't need to be coaxed. Having made a dumbass of yourself over those arguments, you move on to "it was initiated 7 years earlier anyway. Just admit you are FOS.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Either ping me to that post where I so stated or admit that you just outright lied. A) What I stated was this: This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stim Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass. And this: B) Yes he did[need GOP votes to get the stim passed]. Dems had only 59 votes. Franken hadn't been seated yet. ````` In the case of "A", to avoid a filibuster the stim HAD to have "pet" programs either sustained, expanded or put in. Had Obama not agreed to such then the bill would have never gotten to - which brings us to "B" - CLOTURE which requires 60 votes. He needed GOP votes FOR CLOTURE. So, not only did he AGREE to keep those breaks he AGREED to have them folded into the accelerated depreciation schedule that the stim provided. You look pretty odd calling me stupid when you look so dumb. No wonder Ron Paul fired your ass.
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Provide evidence of such or admit you are full of shit. 3 GOP Senators were going to vote for it anyway. Prove any of the 3 Senators who did sign did so because of the jets tax break or admit you are full of shit.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I'm sorry...did you PING me to that post in which you claim I stated that Obama signed the stim to appease the GOP? Fuck off, Paddy. Brownback was going to filibuster the stim if that provision was stripped out. And now you admit that he needed GOP votes for the stim? What a fucking liar you are.
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Provide evidence of such or admit you are full of shit. 3 GOP Senators were going to vote for it anyway. Prove any of the 3 Senators who did sign did so because of the jets tax break or admit you are full of shit. Couldn't do it, huh? Just as I figured.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
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You get caught in a falsehood and now you want to play word games to get out of it? Transparent, typical, and expected.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I'm sorry...did you PING me to that post in which you claim I stated that Obama signed the stim to appease the GOP? “Right now, given the concerns that we have over the size of this package and all of the spending in this package, we don’t think it’s going to work,” the House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “And so if it’s the plan that I see today, put me down in the no column.” While the plan can potentially pass the Democratic-dominated House without Republican support, it will continue to face opposition when it comes before the Senate, said Senator John McCain of Arizona, speaking on “Fox News Sunday.” At least two Republicans will need to approve the bill for a filibuster- proof majority vote of 60. Senator McCain, who lost the presidential election to Mr. Obama in November, said that he planned to vote no unless the bill were changed. “We need to make tax cuts permanent, and we need to make a commitment that there’ll be no new taxes,” Mr. McCain said. “We need to cut payroll taxes. We need to cut business taxes.”
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From Norquist's brain to McCain's mouth.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
3 did, and it had nothing to do with the jets tax break.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I love giving you rope, Paddy...you always lynch yourself: Republicans threaten to block Obama stimulus in Senate AGENCIES Feb 1, 2009, 08.31pm IST WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama's signature attempt to kick- start the stricken US economy risks running into a Republican wall in the Senate this week, a top opposition senator said Sunday. Jon Kyl, the Republican's second-ranking Senate member, said the party would flex its muscles by stalling the 819-billion-dollar stimulus package without a fundamental rethink of the bill's mix of spending and tax cuts. <"I think that we would all agree there will be a 60-vote requirement for the bill. That's the end result of a filibuster," he said on "Fox News Sunday," referring to a parliamentary tactic to drag out debate indefinitely.
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You claimed that no GOP member voted for the stim.
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Provide evidence of such or admit you are full of shit. 3 GOP Senators were going to vote for it anyway. Still waiting
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I've never claimed any such thing. There must a half dozen posts here where I've said 3 voted for it, and they are the ones who typically sided with liberals.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Fuck you. I'm still waiting for you to buck up the post in which I stated Obama signed the stim to appease the GOP. The stim was negotiated with the GOP, Paddy. No matter how you try to spin, wriggle and bury yourself here, had any tax increase been put into this bill, it would have been filibustered.
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straw man. I've haven't claimed anything at all concerning tax increases and the bill. The subject is the jet tax cuts. This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stimuls Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass. Provide evidence of such or admit you are full of shit. 3 GOP Senators were going to vote for it anyway. Still waiting
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
BULLSHIT. That's the crux of the argument, douche. I posted the article in which Brownback defended the tax break on the jets. The break has existed since 2002. As usual, you've spun your argument into oblivion.
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I'm sorry...did you PING me to that post in which you claim I stated that Obama signed the stim to appease the GOP?
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Give one time in the article or in any my posts where anything about tax increases are discussed. The issue is Obama attacking coporate jet tax breaks now while gladly signing them into law. Also, this: Yes, Obama still owns the tax break for corporate jets A few non-profit arms of the Obama administration -- namely Media Matters and the Center for American Progress -- have attacked the Heritage foundation for correctly pointing out that President Obama signed general this general aviation tax break into law through as part of his stimulus package. The pedantic complaint is that Heritage's original post incorrectly implied that Obama had concocted the idea himself. In fact, he merely extended the accelerated depreciation provision for "corporate jets." But that doesn't change the fact that President Obama railed six times yesterday against a tax break that exists in law today because of his signature. Heritage's Mike Gonzales has posted the official reply: So, yes, obviously, if we could write it again, we would say “re-authorized” not “created.” To the writer over at Media Matters who said we should issue a “sweeping correction” we recommend switching to decaf. President Obama did create the Stimulus, which did include a tax break for the purchase of private jets. That failed bill only received three Republican congressional votes. The jet tax provision is not a serious issue ($3 billion over ten years?), and Obama's repeated mention of it demonstrates he is not serious about deficit reduction. It just adds icing to the cake that it exists in law today only because of his signature. And further, it is perhaps lost in this debate that Obama is attacking an industry that is one of the few remaining loci of American leadership in manufacturing. I don't like the idea of special treatment for any particular industry, but Obama, who has no qualms about corporatism, has been talking about promoting manufacturing. Well, what does he think this corporate jet subsidy was all about? Promoting manufacturing, of course. It's Obamanomics at work.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Stop being a stupid douchebag, Paddy. If the tax break for jets was eliminated - and in Jan of '09 it was discussed - in GOP think that's a tax hike and the bill would have been filbustered. Brownback, who is in Cessna's back pocket was very vocal about preserving the break and that he would fight any attempt to kill it. The issue is Obama attacking coporate jet tax breaks now while gladly signing them into law. The tax break came into being in 2002. He wasn't POTUS and thus could not have signed anything into law.
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It couldn't have been filibustered because Snow, Collins and Spectre were always going to vote for it. You can't provide one example of any GOP official saying it would have been filibustered if the corporate jet tax breaks weren't included. You can't provide one example of Obama criticising the tax break at that time.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Assumes facts not in evidence.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/us/politics/07stimulus.html
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Words of speculation... Thanks...
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Snowe didn't even participate in the obligatory "negotiations," and voted for it. And they didn't even need her. It is abundantly clear all three of these 3 "moderates" were always going to vote for the bill. Certainly a lot more clear than it would have been certainly successfully filibustered if Obama hadn't sacrificed his principles (as if he had any) to include this obscure concession.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Had their been any tax increase in that bill, it would have been filibustered and Snowe et al would have run for cover...
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Talk about offering facts not in evidence. to acknowledge they were acting against pressure from their party
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I posted on this very thread an article with direct quotes that any tax increases would lead to a filibuster.
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His press conference was a disaster.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
<"I think that we would all agree there will be a 60-vote requirement for the bill. That's the end result of a filibuster," he said on "Fox News Sunday," referring to a parliamentary tactic to drag out debate indefinitely. He never had any ability to accomplish a filibuster. What about Snowe, Collins, and Spectre negotiating exclusively with Democrats and ignoring Party wishes do you not understand?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
His press conference was a disaster. His press conference was a disaster. His press conference was a disaster.
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Speculation. What about Snowe, Collins, and Spectre [sic] negotiating exclusively with Democrats and ignoring Party wishes do you not understand? Paddy...knock it off...you worked for Ron Paul...you know how this crap works...
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Speculation. Your notion that a filibuster could have ever been accomplished is hell of a lot more speculation given the proven actions of the moderate 3. In fact, you've still given no proof at all of the original point -- that Obama only signed the stimulus allowing the "Christmas tree ornament," because otherwise he couldn't pass it.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
And yet you yourself have acknowledged that Snowe et al were negotiating...
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Snowe didn't Collins and Specter did -- but only with Democratic leadership. Every other GOP member voted against their "compromise." It's quite clear these negotiations were just token in nature.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
You're out of your mind. They started negotiating the bill during the transition and it still didn't pass - AS A RECONCILED BILL - until mid-February.
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You would have a hard time explaining why the jets tax break issue was of any importance to Collins and Specter or that there was any discussion of it at all in their private negotiations. In Fact, you can't do it.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Again, for the 1000000000th time, the break already existed and removing it would have been, in GOP ***THINK***, a tax hike and thus a deal breaker,
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Again, for the 1000000000th time, not to Collins, Specter, and Snowe.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Speculation.
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FACT: Obama signed the tax cut extension YOUR OPINION: At least 2 of the 3 GOP Senators who voted for it would not have done so if the tax cut had not been extended. Now present FACTS to support your OPINION.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Now present FACTS to support your OPINION. Chuckles...bite me.
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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
But the corporate jet tax break to which Obama was referring – called “accelerated depreciation,” and a popular Democratic foil of late – was created by his own stimulus package.
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#4. To: Godwinson (#1)
“I think it’s only fair to ask an oil company or a corporate jet owner that has done so well,” the president stated at one point, “to give up that tax break that no other business enjoys.”
#5. To: All (#0)
#6. To: All (#0)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#7. To: war (#6)
#8. To: no gnu taxes (#7)
He didn't need any GOP votes to get the stimulus passed.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#9. To: war (#8)
The Senate then began consideration of the bill starting with the $275 billion tax provisions in the week of February 2, 2009.[11] A significant difference between the House version and the Senate version was the inclusion of a one-year extension of revisions to the alternative minimum tax which added $70 billion to the bill's total.
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#9)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#11. To: war (#10)
Who is a US Senator from the State of Kansas and what company is headquartered there, douche?
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
#13. To: no gnu taxes (#11)
(Edited)
No Kansas Senator voted for the stimulus, douche.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#14. To: calcon (#12)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#15. To: mininggold (#2)
I'm sure the corporations will be whining and complaining when the next set of regulations gets passed. Unfortunately they consistently prove Marx was right.
#16. To: war (#13)
Why would a particular Senator have to vote FOR something that he knew was going to pass?
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Finally out of the marxist closet eh. We knew it all along.
#19. To: war (#13)
You never answered the question, douche.
#20. To: no gnu taxes (#19)
You clearly stated that Obama signed the stimulus to appease Republicans
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#21. To: war (#20)
What I stated was this: This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stimuls Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass.
#22. To: no gnu taxes (#21)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#23. To: war (#22)
What I stated was this: This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stimuls Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass.
#24. To: no gnu taxes (#23)
I'm sorry...did you PING me to that post in which you claim I stated that Obama signed the stim to appease the GOP?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#25. To: war (#24)
#26. To: no gnu taxes (#25)
(Edited)
You get caught in a falsehood and now you want to play word games to get out of it?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#27. To: war (#26)
We need to make tax cuts permanent, and we need to make a commitment that there’ll be no new taxes...
#28. To: war (#26)
At least two Republicans will need to approve the bill for a filibuster- proof majority vote of 60.
#29. To: no gnu taxes (#25)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#30. To: no gnu taxes (#28)
3 did
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: war (#29)
This was a GOP ornament that was put on to the stimuls Chirstmas Tree so that it could pass.
#32. To: war (#30)
#33. To: no gnu taxes (#31)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#34. To: war (#33)
had any tax increase been put into this bill, it would have been filibustered
#35. To: no gnu taxes (#34)
(Edited)
straw man.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#36. To: no gnu taxes (#34)
Still waiting
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: war (#35)
BULLSHIT. That's the crux of the argument
#38. To: no gnu taxes (#37)
(Edited)
Give one time in the article or in any my posts where anything about tax increases are discussed.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#39. To: war (#38)
the bill would have been filbustered.
#40. To: no gnu taxes (#39)
It couldn't have been filibustered because Snow, Collins and Spectre were always going to vote for it.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#41. To: war (#40)
Mr. Obama called Ms. Collins and Mr. Specter, as well as Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, another Republican expected to support the deal, to acknowledge they were acting against pressure from their party and, one official said, to thank them for their patriotism in helping advance the bill at a critical time.
#42. To: no gnu taxes (#41)
(Edited)
expected to
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#43. To: war (#42)
#44. To: no gnu taxes (#43)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: war (#44)
#46. To: no gnu taxes (#45)
Talk about offering facts not in evidence.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#47. To: no gnu taxes (#45)
#48. To: war (#46)
Jon Kyl, the Republican's second-ranking Senate member, said the party would flex its muscles by stalling the 819-billion-dollar stimulus package without a fundamental rethink of the bill's mix of spending and tax cuts.
#49. To: Badeye (#47)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#50. To: no gnu taxes (#48)
He never had any ability to accomplish a filibuster.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#51. To: war (#50)
He never had any ability to accomplish a filibuster.
#52. To: no gnu taxes (#51)
(Edited)
In fact, you've still given no proof at all of the original point -- that Obama only signed the stimulus allowing the "Christmas tree ornament," because otherwise he couldn't pass it.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#53. To: war (#52)
And yet you yourself have acknowledged that Snowe et al were negotiating...
#54. To: no gnu taxes (#53)
It's quite clear these negotiations were just token in nature.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#55. To: war (#54)
#56. To: no gnu taxes (#55)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#57. To: war (#56)
Again, for the 1000000000th time, the break already existed and removing it would have been, in GOP ***THINK***, a tax hike and thus a deal breaker,
#58. To: no gnu taxes (#57)
Again, for the 1000000000th time, not to Collins, Specter, and Snowe.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#59. To: war (#58)
#60. To: no gnu taxes (#59)
YOUR OPINION: At least 2 of the 3 GOP Senators who voted for it would not have done so if the tax cut had not been extended.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
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