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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... -man-drown-due-to-budget-cuts/
Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
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Views: 147056
Comments: 179
Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him. The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself. A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job. City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it. This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.
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#33. To: war (#29)
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More nonsense from you. What a surprise. My area has both private ambulance services and private trash collection. Other areas have private fire departments. The vast majority provide better services at lower costs than government monopolies. Sure, you can find an exception, but I can sit here and post horror stories all day long about how the government monopoly schools are destroying our kid's future. These are not exceptions. This is the norm. Which is the problem.
Ok, 'Independent'. Whatever you say, free thinker who pukes the DNC line, post after post.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
There are endless studies going back decades, plus people's personal experiences including mine. No matter what I post, you are too narrow minded to believe it, so go do your own research or shut up.
I'm asking you to back up your "research". Sorry that you can't do it, but I'm not surprised.
Are there no private schools where you live?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You're just being polite.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Here's what privatized firefighting looked like: In 1736 young Benjamin Franklin, already one of the most influential men in Pennsylvania, began urging readers of his "Pennsylvanian Gazette" to establish fire-fighting companies. Soon, six volunteer corps were established in Philadelphia. In 1752, insurance companies in the colonies began issuing plaques, or "fire marks," to be prominently displayed on building fronts as an incentive for volunteer fire fighters to save their insured buildings. These fire marks are extremely rare these days as most of them were made of lead and were melted to make ammunition for the Revolutionary War. With bonuses offered as incentives, rivalries ensued between groups. Marked homes and businesses were brawled over, while residences on the same street, with no fire mark, often burned to the ground. http://www.afirepro.com/history.html
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
right, we're all much better off when private companies make life and death decisions. We're all better off say when insurance companies get to rescind policies or deny coverage for those who become unprofitable.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." You seem to be completely oblivious to the 'reason' why Medicare was created. It was created because families routinely went broke, seniors routinely lived in poverty, and died as a result of the costs of healthcare.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." I guess your ideal version of the USA is Somalia - no govt and no gun control. Jwpegler seems to get confused a lot, a few weeks ago he touted the superiority of Germany's approach to dealing with the economy and he's often touted Singapore's universal healthcare program as one the U.S. should emulate. He also praises countries who spend lots of government money on mass transit.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Sounds like his account has been hacked just like yukons.
Budget cuts didn't cause this.
Yea right.... Come on guys tell the truth, the Union rescue swimmer was on a "Coffee Break" and couldn't be bothered....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
So does mine. So what?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I just pointed out that a guy lost his house over 75 bucks.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." The Goldi School of Debate..."I heard me say it...it must be correct!!!" Up next: jw will claim that you are censoring him...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." You and Goldi seem to have a lot in common.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Kind of walked into that one...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Maybe that was yuko's own porn site and he was trolling for hits.
Since I am the teacher and you are the student on this subject, you need to do your own homework.
You are completely incapable of reading and comprehending the article you posted: The city of South Fulton, Tennessee offers residents of nearby areas the protection of its fire department for $75 a year... CITY = government Idiot government bureaucrats stood by and let his house burn down. Dumb shit.
I know exactly why Medicare was created. Unscrupulous politicians (led by the most unscrupulous politician in American history - LBJ) were looking to hand out more goodies to old people so that they would keep voting them into power. It worked, to the nation's detriment.
No. As a free person in a free market, you have a choice on which companies to deal with and what type of service you are willing to pay for. Companies will compete on cost, service, or both. Government has ruined this truism in healthcare and education. The result? Escalating costs and plummeting services. What gets blamed for government's disastrous policies? The "free market". It's sick and wrong. Someone has to stand up for the truth.
Yep, but I still have to pay for the government monopoly schools even when I choose a different alternative. That's wrong, immoral, and counter productive for everyone -- especially the kids in the government monopoly schools who don't benefit from the improvements that competition would bring to their lives.
I said no such thing. Gooberson has been doing this, not me. In fact, I've correctly argued that Germany has: a lower corporate income rate than the U.S. (+), but a hidebound labor market that Adolph Hitler created (--- ).
I stand by that assertion today. 100% Singapore's health care system promotes individual choice and responsibility. The U.S. system promotes dependency on one's employer and/or the government. This is the problem. I am not the one who is confused here.
Look, I know you just make this shit up. Just admit you can't back up anything you say. You'll feel better that way.
Nope. My views have been crafted based on: A.) years of personal experience working across 41 states and 26 countries, B.) a voracious amount of reading across numerous disciplines, and C.) debating people like you. I've done my research. It's time that you do yours.
None of which provides anything but anecdotal "evidence", which is why you can't provide any real data to back up your assertions. You should just stop now. You're embarrassing yourself and making me feel sorry for you.
I guess what you want is for government to pay for your private school. How do you see that working; California spends $7,500 annually per student, a good private school in this area charges in the neighborhood of $33,000 tuition per student per year. For the 2009-2010 school year there were 512,826 students in private schools, k-12, in California. Would you give every student a voucher in the amount of $7,500 to spend at the school of their choice? If so, adding more than half a million students into the system would increase state costs (raise taxes) considerably, while still leaving the good schools out of reach for most students. The other possibility would be to divide the same amount of money among a larger pool of students further stressing the public school system. Of course we could commit as a nation to making public schools excellent.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Nope, I just don't want to have to pay for a service (government monopoly schools) that don't work and have failed the country and our children.
I think he's saying that if he doesn't use the public schools he shouldn't be taxed for them, but I could be wrong.
This has nothing do to with you, but I have bent over backwards numerous times on this site gluing together evidence for my assertions so that I could try to show the opposition the facts. Every single time, the opposition just dismissed the evidence and went back to their partisan talking points. So, I'm not going to bend over backwards any more because there isn't any point in doing so. I'm on this site because I learn things from certain people and I hope that they learn things from me. If the brain dead politicos like Lusysmom and Maddog don't learn squat, I really don't care.
Okay, now we know what you don't want, how about telling us what you do want.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Every single time, the opposition just dismissed the evidence and went back to their partisan talking points. That's the way it is for everybody. No one here will ever be convinced of anything they don't already believe. That's why this is just a chat site for entertainment purposes only, and nothing more.
Choice. It's a word you should know. Unfortunately, you only apply it to one thing.
Yes, but I've also learned a few things from some people. Why? Because I was open to learn. Most people are closed and won't learn anything. It's tragic.
It's a word you should know. How would that choice look? There is choice now, it's just not acceptable to you.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Only for the very wealthy who can afford to pay the bills of two schools at once.
So like with all "services" provided by the private economy those with more money should get better and more health care and education. And if you can't afford it you are sh** out of luck. Is that what you are sayin?
Again, how would choice look to you? I'm beginning to think you're avoiding answering the question.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
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#35. To: Skip Intro (#16)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#36. To: jwpegler (#35)
No matter what I post, you are too narrow minded to believe it, so go do your own research or shut up.
#37. To: jwpegler (#11)
Government bureacrats get to keep lifelong jobs even though they are destroying our kid's futures in the government monopoly schools.
#38. To: Skip Intro (#16)
I just wonder where you get your figures from.
#39. To: jwpegler (#3)
As a general rule, they do twice as good a job (using very measurable statistics) at half the cost of government services. In other words, they are 4 times better. Same with trash collection.
#40. To: jwpegler (#11)
15 government bureacrats get to make life and death decisions for all 310 million of us.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#41. To: jwpegler (#11)
Were huge numbers of old people dying in the streets before Medicare and Medicaid? No they weren't.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#42. To: Godwinson (#14)
Really? USSR and not Finland? Germany?
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#43. To: go65 (#42)
Jwpegler seems to get confused a lot, a few weeks ago he touted the superiority of Germany's approach to dealing with the economy and he's often touted Singapore's universal healthcare program as one the U.S. should emulate. He also praises countries who spend lots of government money on mass transit.
#44. To: Brian S (#0)
#45. To: Brian S (#0)
City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it.
#46. To: jwpegler (#33)
My area has both private ambulance services and private trash collection.
--GW Bush
#47. To: jwpegler (#33)
Other areas have private fire departments.
--GW Bush
#48. To: jwpegler, Skip Intro (#35)
No matter what I post, you are too narrow minded to believe it, so go do your own research or shut up.
--GW Bush
#49. To: war (#48)
The Goldi School of Debate..."I heard me say it...it must be correct!!!"
#50. To: no gnu taxes (#49)
You and Goldi seem to have a lot in common.
--GW Bush
#51. To: Skip Intro (#43)
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Sounds like his account has been hacked just like yukons.
#52. To: Skip Intro (#36)
I'm asking you to back up your "research".
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#53. To: war (#47)
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I just pointed out that a guy lost his house over 75 bucks.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#54. To: go65 (#41)
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You seem to be completely oblivious to the 'reason' why Medicare was created.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#55. To: go65 (#40)
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private companies make life and death decisions.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#56. To: lucysmom (#37)
Are there no private schools where you live?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#57. To: go65 (#42)
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a few weeks ago he touted the superiority of Germany's approach to dealing with the economy
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#58. To: go65 (#42)
he's often touted Singapore's universal healthcare program as one the U.S. should emulate
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#59. To: jwpegler (#52)
Since I am the teacher and you are the student on this subject, you need to do your own homework.
#60. To: Skip Intro (#59)
I know you just make this shit up.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#61. To: jwpegler (#60)
Nope. My views have been crafted based on: A.) years of personal experience working across 41 states and 26 countries, B.) a voracious amount of reading across numerous disciplines, and C.) debating people like you.
#62. To: jwpegler (#56)
Yep, but I still have to pay for the government monopoly schools even when I choose a different alternative. That's wrong, immoral, and counter productive for everyone -- especially the kids in the government monopoly schools who don't benefit from the improvements that competition would bring to their lives.
#63. To: lucysmom (#62)
I guess what you want is for government to pay for your private school.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#64. To: lucysmom (#62)
For the 2009-2010 school year there were 512,826 students in private schools, k-12, in California. Would you give every student a voucher in the amount of $7,500 to spend at the school of their choice?
#65. To: Skip Intro (#61)
which is why you can't provide any real data to back up your assertions.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#66. To: jwpegler (#63)
Nope, I just don't want to have to pay for a service (government monopoly schools) that don't work and have failed the country and our children.
#67. To: jwpegler (#65)
This has nothing do to with you, but I have bent over backwards numerous times on this site gluing together evidence for my assertions so that I could try to show the opposition the facts.
#68. To: lucysmom (#66)
how about telling us what you do want.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#69. To: Skip Intro (#67)
That's the way it is for everybody. No one here will ever be convinced of anything they don't already believe. That's why this is just a chat site for entertainment purposes only, and nothing more.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#70. To: jwpegler (#68)
Choice.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
There is choice now
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#72. To: jwpegler (#55)
Government has ruined this truism in healthcare and education. The result?
#73. To: jwpegler (#71)
Only for the very wealthy who can afford to pay the bills of two schools at once.
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