I moved north to escape the hot weather. I guess I'm just wearing out. When I walk my knees make noise. LOL! I've got too many ties to the north. This is home for me.
yukon posted on 2011-04-01 14:41:23 ET Reply Trace
I'm having some problems following this logically...
when yukon had the time, he signed in as "I'm Back." A screen name everyone would associate with yukon.
And yet he absolutely refused to identify himself as yukon. I asked him repeatedly, and he refused to answer honestly.
When the "yukon" said on the thread something like "I'm tired of hiding it" ... I fell for the ploy. It wasn't until many posts later, I thought that something was not right.
I started digging ... it was not right.
I don't doubt your honesty, but I need plainly stated, factual evidence. What did you find in your digging that told you it wasn't right?
I you would only make SOME sense, then I would respond.
Gee, Colonel Klink, it almost makes as much sense as your hit-list, thinly-veiled threats, your "secret information," your obsession (and hotline) of Goldi's whereabouts...and of course your sudden aversion to cut & paste Scripture.
There IS one person who could have done all of this, very easily, and that is Goldi. It IS possible, and the only evidence that we have to the contrary, is the word of Goldi.
The first question I would ask myself is, why would she?
The second question I would ask myself is, awhat would she have to gain?
I can find no answers to any of the two questions?
Of course, everything IS possible.
You say: "The only evidence we have to the contrary is the word of Goldi."
I say: "We have NO evidence to indict either."
All we have is pure speculation and conjectures.
So, are you moving to a "guilty until proven innocent" situation ... am I misreading here?
On top of that, we are asked to believe TWO passwords were cracked??
If we are to believe the 'official story', it's actually more than 2.
Goldi made a statement to Itzlzha, I'm not sure of the exact wording, but the jist of it was to stop screaming at 22rifle, because he didn't 'say' what he obviously said, in his post where he posted Itzlzha's real name.
Are we to believe that 22's account was hacked also?
Didn't she state that multiple accounts were hacked?
"We both know that folks are going to believe what they want to believe ... always has been that way, and always will be.
Cold hard facts, in which I like to deal, are missing from what transpired on LP beginning last Sunday.
after careful consideration, I believe yukon's password was compromised and that it was not yukon who made the porno post. I of course cannot prove that it was not yukon, nor can anyone prove that it was yukon."
Well said. I myself do not care if anyone is gay or not. It is their business, and I only get angry if someone knocks lesbians and gays if they turn out to be one themselves.
As for those who try to pin the orientation on me merely because I do not abide by picking on others for an aspect of themselves that has not been shown to make them dysfunctional as human beings or reduced their ability to function or be productive; I am not insecure enough to be bothered by such immature vindictiveness.
I've posted too long to have that thin a skin. And I pander to no one when I decide on my views on an issue.
For me, Yukon is damned by the weight of his empty calorie posts that bait, hate and lack weight of discussion of issues and insight regarding them.
A walk through the ocean of his soul would scarcely get your feet wet.
When the "yukon" said on the thread something like "I'm tired of hiding it" ... I fell for the ploy. It wasn't until many posts later, I thought that something was not right.
I started digging ... it was not right.
Very good, Shakespeare!! Excellent script!
You "thought something was not right"...so you "started digging."
And then...you started whispering to certain posters about emailing them. And inferring threats to other posters as though you wielded ZOT power.
You're nothing but female howlin. THAT is a role you are eminently suited for.
I have NO positive evidence of anything, but from what I can determine, associate and then speculate (which I DEARLY try not to do) ... someone either guessed yukons password, or used one or many of the programs on the Web to ferret it out.
While investigating and analyzing the events, someone was able to accurately guesstimate yukons original password.
If we are to believe the 'official story', it's actually more than 2.
Goldi made a statement to Itzlzha, I'm not sure of the exact wording, but the jist of it was to stop screaming at 22rifle, because he didn't 'say' what he obviously said, in his post where he posted Itzlzha's real name.
Are we to believe that 22's account was hacked also?
Didn't she state that multiple accounts were hacked?
Great observations, great points. "Multiple" accounts. But who else?? Plausible deniablity. She's setting up a defense of the...er...ID'ing problem.
Goldi is spinning and providing more BS cover than 0bama's own administration.
Btw - Did you find her reaction to her own obit a little weak?
Yet no other poster admitted getting an email through to Goldi at that time.
I don't understand ...
There was a period during which neither I nor anyone could contact Goldi.
It was only after contact was made with Goldi that explanations began to assemble and fall into place ... that was some three (?) days after the original post.
I do believe, or at least I would hope, that you know I have an open and investigative mind.
I can be convinced of anything with sufficiently firm proof.
Real funny, Col. Klink. Isn't that like putting the fox in the henhouse in charge of security?
Sorry - you convince few that you don't have a conflict of interest - especially given that you've starred in one of the lead roles in this kabuki theater.
"1) Nobody's account was hacked. Yukon had a gay porn site open when he made his post and accidentally posted it's link instead of the one he meant to.
2) Since you can't edit a new post, he was screwed. He immediately asked for help from Goldi, but she didn't show."
Years ago when I would be posting in a returning bannee account at Free Republic with a window open to my old home forum Time.com/politics, I did this more than once.
For example; I remember my panic when I posted a post to FR meant for Time.com/Politics that was particularly mocking of FR, so I posted it quickly in my 'hobbb' account at Time, and posted an oops at FR with the URL to my Time post explaining I had meant to quote that and hit 'Post' before I was done with the quote post. And I did an 'abuse' flag to explain to the moderator my 'mistake.'
No one at FR caught the discrepancies of the time stamps, and I successfully baffled them with bull poop.
It is very easy to make mistakes like Yukon did. And I know this first hand. Which is why I consider it a distinct possibility this was indeed a goof up of epic proportions.
I admit, I am evidence poor. That's why I'm asking for evidence in any form, to prove any aspect of this fiasco.
The only facts that we know, are that the threads, containing the posts in question WERE made under yukon's handle. The question is, were his accounts hacked...BOTH of them? There and here? That's hard to believe.
The most damning evidence is that he outed himself on two forums.
Then the ensuing shitstorm that followed, and Goldi's reaction. Your posts about the billing cycle, 22 also claiming to have inside info. None of it makes sense.
That's why logic points me to the most simple possibility.
What did you find in your digging that told you it wasn't right?
As I stated twice before on LP in a couplee threads, I was assigned additional duty as investigating officer for pre stage UCMJ. Often times there was no hard evidence, as is the case about which we speak.
I therefore had to take statements, listen to testimony and make recommendations. I had to do the "this could have happened - this maybe could not have happened" process over and over again until slowly pieces moulded into place.
That was the situation here.
After hearing "didn't" and with no "did" ... I came to my conclusion.
Don't forget the "Goldi is Dead" thread by a new poster. All part of the plan.
I have no doubt that phone calls were made to set this all up. It took me all of 30 seconds to find Goldi's Florida phone number. I'm sure others could do it as well.
I would defend anyone's right to be Christian, and worship as they chose as I defend the U.S. Constitution, including the First Amendment, Libe. I am not Christian, but I can't expect my faith to be defended by others should I forget to do this.
Mikey, come on. You are hostile towards Christianity.
Every graphic of yours alludes to it in one measure or another.
As I stated twice before on LP in a couplee (sic) threads, I was assigned additional duty as investigating officer for pre stage UCMJ. Often times there was no hard evidence, as is the case about which we speak.
I do believe, or at least I would hope, that you know I have an open and investigative mind.
I can be convinced of anything with sufficiently firm proof.
I do believe you to be an honest and honorable man. I think you know that.
I simply want to know the truth, no matter where it leads me. The story that we are given is just too hard to believe. Too much of it doesn't make sense.
If you lied then why should anyone believe you now?
There was fun spoofing going on.
Gatlin (me), harrowup, I'm back and I don't know who else were all having a blast pulling the agitators chains.
If you were unable to recognize that and see the teasing ... then you can of course believe I lied and I am lying now.
So, to bluntly paraphrase a scene from Gone With the Wind: "Frankly my dear sir, I don't give a damn" whether you believe me or not.
If you would like to ask me any more questions, I will try my best to answer you ... if you wish to insult me or to challenge my integrity, then to you I will say: "Good Night, Sir."
Don't forget the "Goldi is Dead" thread by a new poster. All part of the plan.
Yep. By an poster with no name, no less. How convenient. Either Goldi set it up, OR provided Admin rights to another "trusted" LPer. We can speculate who that might be, can't we?
I have no doubt that phone calls were made to set this all up.
With ya. NOT buying the supposed unavaialblity of Goldi AT ALL. Why was Gatlin so giddy as though he knew something everyone else wasn't privy to?
It took me all of 30 seconds to find Goldi's Florida phone number. I'm sure others could do it as well.
That's something, isn't it? And anyway, didn't she also claim she'd been around during most of the hoopla?
As I stated twice before on LP in a couplee threads, I was assigned additional duty as investigating officer for pre stage UCMJ. Often times there was no hard evidence, as is the case about which we speak.
I therefore had to take statements, listen to testimony and make recommendations. I had to do the "this could have happened - this maybe could not have happened" process over and over again until slowly pieces moulded into place.
That was the situation here.
After hearing "didn't" and with no "did" ... I came to my conclusion.
I understand and I respect your opinion/conclusion. If that is what you believe, then I believe you are being honest about it.
I however am still having problems. I believe that we may not know the truth for awhile, if ever. I do believe that the truth always come out, eventually. The question is, will I be there to witness it.