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Title: TEA Party Says Only Property Owners Should Have Right To Vote
Source: tucsoncitizen
URL Source: http://tucsoncitizen.com/three-sono ... ers-should-have-right-to-vote/
Published: Dec 5, 2010
Author: tucsoncitizen
Post Date: 2010-12-05 18:31:55 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 10229
Comments: 20

If the motives of the TEA Party weren’t known by now, after this weekend it should be even more obvious that they really do want to take this country back… back to the 18th century!

Getting out the vote is the enemy of the TEA Party.

The President of the TEA Party Nation made the case this weekend that voting rights should only apply to property owners, because only they have a “vested stake in the community.”

This is the most ridiculous thing and form of classism I have ever heard. If you are poor and live in an apartment, you have no stake in the community? You don’t care about local school board, taxes, propositions, politicians, and pro-war candidates?

Of course, this type of thinking helps out the rural folk, since in a dense urban setting, many people have no choice but to live in apartments, whereas almost anyone can own cheap land out in the country.

What if one a purchased an acre of land, and then split it into a million different pieces and gave them away to poor people? They would now be “property owners.”

Or let’s say a rich Democrat purchased an eighth of an acre for millions of poor people, but out in the countryside where they don’t live, or just put a million people on the owner’s list with you. Would that make a difference? Does owning property really make a difference?

What’s next for the TEA Party? That whole blacks being 3/5 of a person is a really good idea? The sad thing is that I know some are internally thinking… yes.

Tea Party Nation President Says It ‘Makes A Lot Of Sense’ To Restrict Voting Only To Property Owners

You want to vote? Picture from the Voter Rights rallies... and how history is ready to repeat itself.

Every week, the Tea Party Nation hosts a weekly radio program, calling itself a “home for conservatives.” Two weeks ago, Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips hosted the program and discussed changes that he felt should be made to voting rights in the United States. He explained that the founders of the country originally put “certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote.” He continued, “One of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community. If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners”:

PHILLIPS: The Founding Fathers originally said, they put certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote. It wasn’t you were just a citizen and you got to vote. Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today. But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community. If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners.

Listen to it:

Phillips is advocating a policy of voter disenfranchisement that has its roots in the 18th century. When the United States was first founded, ownership of property was one of the requirements to vote in most elections. Many of these restrictions were phased out by the 1820s and replaced with requirements that the voter pays taxes. By 1850, these requirements, too, were phased out. Nashville Scene blogger Betsy Phillips calls the Tea Party Nation president’s idea a “frivolous proposal designed to stoke intergenerational antagonism — as if the people who are older and can afford a home are somehow better citizens than the 18-year-olds who are going off to war to die for our country.”

Unfortunately, numerous major conservatives have advocated for rolling back the voting rights of Americans. Supreme Court justice Anthony Scalia, Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), and Sen.-elect Mike Lee (R-UT) have all advocated for repealing the 17th Amendment, which would end direct election of U.S. Senators and return Senate elections to the purview of state legislatures. (H/T: Tea Party Nationalism)

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

That's too much like the founders desires.

It wasn't 'till 1850 a non property owner could vote.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-12-05   18:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

lol. only a total idiot would defend american democracy.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-05   18:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: continental op (#2)

lol. only a total idiot would defend american democracy.

True.

The American Republic however is a different matter.

And the sheep will bleat their submission,
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.

Burma Shave.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-12-05   18:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Wood_Chopper (#3)

the republic didn't work either.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-05   19:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: continental op (#4)

How about you take a long walk off of a short pier, buddy.

“There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it.”

Abcdefg  posted on  2010-12-05   22:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#0)

My word - I haven't thought about this

www.yukoninfo.com/klondikebiginch.htm

for years. A small tract of land in Alaska and the landless could win the right to vote in a cereal box.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-12-06   12:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Brian S, *Bill of Rights-Constitution*, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites*, *World history* (#0)

The President of the TEA Party Nation made the case this weekend that voting rights should only apply to property owners, because only they have a “vested stake in the community.”

And he is absolutely,100% correct. This was the way things were set up to be originally,and the reason for it is in the above quote.

We are NOT a democracy. We are a Representative Republic.

As Alexis de Tocqueville is quoted to have written,"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

Nobody can say they didn't see it coming.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-12-06   18:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7) (Edited)

Ever been to Colonial Williamsburg?

They conduct a mock trial for a "Papist".

They round up only those that own property as being eligible for jury selection.

Non land owners didn't get the vote 'till 1850.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-12-06   18:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#7)

A democracy is always temporary in nature...

Name one form of government that is not temporary.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-12-06   18:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#4)

anyone who can't see that the representative republic has failed, needs to die with it.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-06   18:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: WhiteSands (#8)

Ever been to Colonial Williamsburg?

Yes.

They conduct a mock trial for a "Papist".

I don't remember that,but good for them. The original settlers knew well the trouble the Papists had caused back in Europe.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-12-06   19:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#9)

Name one form of government that is not temporary.

Is THAT your defense of the stupidity that is democracy?

Well,if it is,I will say that our REPUBLIC has done well so far,despite you loons trying your best to turn us into a police state.

BTW,here is the classic definition of democracy for you. It is two wolves and a sheep sitting around discussing what to have for dinner.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-12-06   19:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#12)

your republic has done well so far? compared to what? the republic of haiti?

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-06   19:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#12)

Is THAT your defense of the stupidity that is democracy?

No, I'm not defending Democracy or any other form of government.

It is two wolves and a sheep sitting around discussing what to have for dinner.

In my old age I've come to the conclusion that what matters most in good government is the integrity of the people making up the government and its citizens. Integrity can overcome technical flaws in the system and no system, no matter how perfect, can overcome the effects of a people lacking in integrity and compassion.

On that basis, I don't hold out much hope for the US.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-12-06   20:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: continental op (#13)

your republic

You're not US.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-12-06   21:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: continental op (#13)

your republic has done well so far? compared to what?

The shithole you were flushed from.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-12-06   21:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

I realize that it's difficult for a guy who spent his life and gave his blood defend to a lie, and a failure, to accept the facts, but accept the facts you must.

the U.s. is the great satan, the last bastion of liberalism.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-07   10:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#16) (Edited)

the men in the black pajamas, worthy fucking advasaries.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-07   10:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: continental op (#17)

the U.s. is the great satan, the last bastion of liberalism.

You don't even have a passing acquittance with sanity.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-12-07   11:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#19)

lol.

we live in the land of evil.

Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!

continental op  posted on  2010-12-07   11:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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