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Title: German unemployment drops below 3m (lowest in 18 years)
Source: financial times
URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4aad862e-e27b-11df-9ea3-00144feabdc0.html
Published: Oct 28, 2010
Author: Financial Times
Post Date: 2010-10-28 14:33:59 by go65
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Unemployment in Germany fell below 3m in October for the first time in 18 years, according to unadjusted figures released by the federal labour office.

The government in Berlin greeted the news with delight and saw it as confirmation that its measures to revive the economy from last year’s recession had been timely and effective.

Seasonally adjusted jobless figures showed rather less improvement, with a decline of just 3,000 in registered unemployed for a total figure of 3.153m, or 7.5 per cent of the labour force.

The figures were leaked on Wednesday, a day early, by Ursula von der Leyen, the labour minister, to coincide with the first anniversary in office of the centre-right coalition headed by Angela Merkel, German chancellor.

Breaching the 3m mark was “a great success for the people, the wage partners, Merkel government and the federal labour office”, Ms von der Leyen said ahead of the official publication of the figures.

The fall came amid two pieces of positive economic data for the eurozone, both out Thursday morning.

The European Central Bank said net demand for loans in Europe was positive for the first time in more than two years, driven by financing needs for inventory and working capital.

Borrowing by households also improved as more banks approved loans, signalling increased optimism about the economic situation and housing markets.

In Brussels, a closely watched survey gauging the eurozone’s economic mood showed that businesses were regaining optimism, particularly in the “core” countries led by Germany.

The European Commission’s monthly economic sentiment indicator rose 0.9 points to 104.1 in October, a 34-month high. Analysts had forecast a smaller increase following several months of rapid growth.

The eurozone figure concealed wide differences between the so-called “core” economies such as France and Germany, which rose, and the weaker “peripheral” group including Spain and Portugal, struggling with deep fiscal problems.

“The eurozone growth divergence is certainly not disappearing,” said Peter Vanden Houte, economist at ING, referring to indicators in the past year that have pointed to a divergent recovery in Europe.

The strong showing was partly down to improved expectations in the labour market, raising policymakers’ hopes that bullishness will now boost domestic demand – the weak link in the economic recovery.

Economists will be looking closely at unemployment figures on Friday. Joblessness remains at a record high of 10.1 per cent.

As with the wider economy, Germany has provided much of the optimism in the overall eurozone labour market situation this year.

Unemployment soared in Germany after unification between east and west in 1990, and hit a peak of more than 5m in 2005.

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#1. To: All (#0)

The government in Berlin greeted the news with delight and saw it as confirmation that its measures to revive the economy from last year’s recession had been timely and effective.

That effort centered on subsidizing employers to avoid layoffs.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   14:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

That effort centered on subsidizing employers to avoid layoffs.

You then oppose Obama's and Pelosi's drive to lower the deficit.

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President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   14:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#1)

Pssst. Owe-bama told them they were wrong about six months ago.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   14:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Badeye (#3)

Pssst. Owe-bama told them they were wrong about six months ago.

Source?


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   14:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#1)

LOL.

Why Germany’s Stimulus Works and Obama’s Doesn’t

Liberal economists, including those in the Obama administration, criticized Germany’s choice to eschew the notion of a big-spending Keynesian model in favor of austerity measures. They argued that governments must spend, spend, and spend some more to mutually reinforce the economic growth needed to dig the world out of the crisis. If we keep digging deeper surely we’ll dig to other side of this problem, right?

No, Germany argued, we’ll just end up deeper in a hole...

Germany’s personal experience with stimulus was likely part of the reason it chose a different path in dealing with the current crisis. That said, they didn’t completely shun the idea. Their $130.4 billion stimulus package wasn’t chump change, although the proportion of tax cuts to spending was about twice that of the U.S. stimulus. The main differences however come in implementation--something Germany learned and perfected since their last stimulus go-round. As online economics think tank e21 explains:

The focus since the early part of the year has been on reversing stimulus, enacting credible government spending cuts, and encouraging the rest of the developed world to do the same. The result (coincidental or not), has been a return to pre-recession levels of business confidence, a 2.4% annualized increase in households consumption expenditures in the second quarter, and more than a 20% annualized increase in business investment.

If those results aren’t enough to make you wonder whether they know something we don’t, consider that the German economy grew nearly four times faster than the United States’ in the second quarter. That’s about twice as fast as the United States economy grew under the boom years of the Clinton presidency! Why the growth discrepancy between our two great nations? Because Germany has put an emphasis on competitiveness while the United States has remained wedded, or if you prefer, shackled, to the idea of stimulating demand.

The difference appears to be largely based on one’s perception of the long-term consequences of government stimulus. Germany believes that private consumption and public sector debt are inextricably intertwined. People are loath to spend their money while facing an uncertain fiscal future. To mitigate this insecurity, Germany followed its stimulus package with a detailed austerity plan, thereby boosting demand in the short term without the distortionary effect of lingering deficits.

The United States on the other hand appears to have its blinders on, focusing solely on improving the here-and-now, without consideration of the future. They dismiss Germany’s approach by saying, in the words of Paul Krugman, “the whole [austerity] argument rests on the presumption that markets will turn on us unless we demonstrate a willingness to suffer.” That’s not exactly true. “Suffer” is Krugman scare-speak for “pay off our debt.” Nevertheless, under this paradigm, any worry of debt falls subordinate to alleviating the suffering caused by unemployment.

What this viewpoint fails to consider is that consumer and business confidence, whether rationally or irrationally tied to deficits, is tied to employment. The Obama administration has given little indication that they have a plan to alleviate the deficits caused by our current stimulative efforts. Instead, we are left with speeches like the one President Obama gave Monday, explaining how his “economic team is hard at work in identifying additional measures” to get the economy on track, but providing no indication of a plan to pay off our debts. Vague solutions to the unemployment problem do little to outweigh a lack of solutions to our deficit problem.

That is where we should learn from Germany’s example. If you truly want to spur demand with government dollars it must be coupled with a plan to show consumers your intent to pay it off. Decoupling these two necessary parts can have drastic consequences. For instance, while Germany’s business confidence has reached a three-year high, signaling continued growth and hiring, the United States’ small business confidence has declined for three straight months, reaching its lowest point in 18 months.

The German success story contains many lessons for the United States. Sadly, we have been content to criticize rather than study their methods. As our nation’s recovery continues to flounder and our policymakers further dig their heels into failed strategies, our government will have nobody to blame but its own hubris.


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jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-28   14:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Badey, ego65 (#3)

That effort centered on subsidizing employers to avoid layoffs.

Under the program, known as work-sharing, employers reduce their workers’ weekly hours and pay, often by 20 or 40 percent, and then states make up some of the lost wages, usually half, from their unemployment funds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/business/economy/16workshare.html

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President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   14:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#5)

They raise their numbers by reducing pay up to 40%.

Then the state makes up "usually" half those lost wages.

I'd LOVE to do this with EVERY federal Employee.

The SEIU will fight it though.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   14:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: WhiteSands (#6)

Yep.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   14:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye. go65 (#8)

I agree with go65 on this approach.

The Fed and its employees should lead the way.

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President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#5) (Edited)

another perspective:

http://economics21.org/commentary/lessons-german-economic-recovery

Although no breakdown is yet available, most analysts anticipate that a major driver of the German economic expansion was an increase in net exports. Part of this is due to the decline in the value of the euro, which made German-produced goods less expensive, but some of it is directly attributable to stimulus spending in the U.S. and China

and:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/AllEconomicNews.aspx?Node=B2&Id=1460031

Labor Minister Ursula von der Leyen had announced unemployment figure Wednesday itself. She praised the figures as a vindication of the government's labor market reforms during the global downturn.

"The recovery in the labor market is not an accident but the result of labor market reforms and a prudent and proactive crisis management," Von der Leyen said in a press conference.

The German government introduced a part-time work subsidy to help companies maintain the size of their workforce and reduce jobless woes during the global crisis. The scheme is now being gradually withdrawn, as companies start putting their workforce through full time work.

Given those about to take power wanted to shut GM down at the cost of millions of jobs lost, i don't expect we'll see any kind of support for subsiding payrolls.

Meanwhile:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,725886,00.html

German politicians tripped over themselves this week to announce that unemployment had sunk to an impressive low -- under 3 million. But German papers study the statistics and wonder how long the good times will last.

The news was so fabulous that German ministers couldn't leave it to the Federal Employment Agency, which normally releases jobless numbers at the end of the month. Labor Minister Ursula von der Leyen staged an unscheduled press conference to personally announce that German unemployment for October had sunk to 2.945 million, or 7.0 percent. Economics Minister Rainer Brüderle was also on the sidelines, hoping to crowd his way into the photo op, too. In fact, it was cause for celebration: The number of jobless Germans was now under 3 million for the first time in 18 years.

German unemployment has fallen steadily since mid-2009. Economists who call it a "jobs miracle" marvel that Germany, of all Western nations, has found found a way through the worst economic downturn since World War II. Ministers like von der Leyen and Brüderle -- members of Angela Merkel's new but ailing coalition, which came to power a year ago -- are breaking out the champagne. But who deserves credit?

What's kept the German economy from hemorrhaging jobs over the last two years is a "short-time" work program that encourages firms to keep workers even if they have to cut back hours (say, to one- third, of the usual week). The government covers up to two-thirds of a worker's regular salary, as well as monthly pension and health-care payments. It's a subsidy. Training for new jobs has also been subsidized, and the program has proven far more flexible in rough times than traditional welfare. It can't last forever, but conveniently for politicians it keeps jobless numbers low.

The short-time work program took its current form under former Labor Minister Franz Müntefering, a Social Democrat, during Merkel's first term. Müntefering was a holdover from the previous cabinet under Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. The former chancellor casts another shadow on the current bright news, for politicians across the spectrum. His neoliberal welfare-reform packages, known as Agenda 2010 and including the notorious Hartz IV, were radical rollbacks of benefits for a Social Democrat, and they literally cost him his job in 2005. But they also made the German labor market nimbler, which probably staved off more disastrous losses during the recent recession.

Will the numbers hold? The broader economy is recovering, but the jobless numbers may be soft. One Schröder reform was to allow more temporary employees, who work without contracts or benefits. They're different from employees on the short-time work program, but they count as "employed" under current statistics.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   15:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: WhiteSands, Badeye, jwpegler (#6) (Edited)

Under the program, known as work-sharing, employers reduce their workers’ weekly hours and pay, often by 20 or 40 percent, and then states make up some of the lost wages, usually half, from their unemployment funds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/business/economy/16workshare.html

Yes, Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) and Sen. John Kerry introduced a bill in the Senate (S.1646) to kick-off a $2 billion federal work-sharing program modeled on Germany's. It has the support of liberal economics groups such as the Roosevelt Institute, and The Center for Law and Social Policy. All the co-sponsors are Democrats. The bill is stalled in the finance committee due to lack of GOP support.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   15:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#4)

Source?

Every major news outlet.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   15:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#12)

Every major news outlet.

So then it should be easy for you to find it, please share it with us.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   15:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#11)

Latest Major Action: 8/7/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

Id like to read where the GOP has Blocked this and why.

Thank you.

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President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   15:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All, Badey, ego65 (#6)

I did not mean to type ego65 and I apologize for it.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   15:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: WhiteSands (#15)

(chuckle)

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   15:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: go65 (#13)

Barack Obama lectured (fellow) socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Zapatero of Spain today on reining in the country’s debt. This comes from the same man who just tripled the US national deficit in less than one year.

Unbelievable.

The AFP reported:

US President Barack Obama spoke to Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero Tuesday on the debt crisis and discussed reforms needed to rescue the Spanish economy, the White House said.

The conversation was the latest move by Obama in the European crisis, and White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Washington would do whatever was needed to stop the eurozone turmoil from stifling the US recovery.

The leaders “discussed the importance of Spain taking resolute action as part of Europe’s effort to strengthen its economy and build market confidence,” Gibbs said in a statement.

“The president expressed the support of the United States for those efforts. The president also conveyed his best wishes to King Juan Carlos for a speedy recovery from his recent surgery.”

It is easy.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   15:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye (#17)

Germany doesn't think it's a good idea for us to take on more debt:.

"The congressional battle over adding more government stimulus spending versus deficit reduction spilled overseas Monday as the German government publicly rebuked the Obama administration over its red ink and said countries now must focus on controlling debt."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/21/germany-urges-obama-to-focus-on-debt-cuts/

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President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   16:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: go65, Bad Eye (#0)

Brandon Greife Why Germany’s Stimulus Works and Obama’s Doesn’t

To mitigate this insecurity, Germany followed its stimulus package with a detailed austerity plan, thereby boosting demand in the short term without the distortionary effect of lingering deficits.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/brandon-greife/2010/9/1/why-germanys-stimulus-works-and-obamas-doesnt.html

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   16:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: WhiteSands (#19)

I know WS. I wasn't going to copy EVER article demonstrating conclusively what we ALL know...and some pretend they don't...

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-28   16:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: WhiteSands (#19)

Brandon Greife Why Germany’s Stimulus Works and Obama’s Doesn’t

To mitigate this insecurity, Germany followed its stimulus package with a detailed austerity plan, thereby boosting demand in the short term without the distortionary effect of lingering deficits.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/brandon-greife/2010/9/1/why-germanys-stimulus-works-and-obamas-doesnt.html

Jwpegler posted that in #5.

Pay attention to the thread next time.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   18:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Badeye (#17)

US President Barack Obama spoke to Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero Tuesday on the debt crisis and discussed reforms needed to rescue the Spanish economy, the White House said.

Spain isn't Germany, it's a separate country in Southwest Europe.

Jeez.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   18:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: go65 (#21) (Edited)

Latest Major Action: 8/7/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

I'd like to read where the GOP has Blocked this and why.

Can you provide any links to articles stating the GOP has stopped this?

Thank you.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   18:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: go65, Badeye, jwpegler (#11)

The bill is stalled in the finance committee due to lack of GOP support.

Latest Major Action: 8/7/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

I'd like to read where the GOP has Blocked this and why.

Can you provide any links to articles stating the GOP has stopped this?

Thank you.

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Barrack Hussein Obama
President of the United States of America said that some Americans ; "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-28   22:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: WhiteSands (#23)

(chuckle)

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-29   8:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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