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Title: NASA Gets New Orders That Bypass the Moon (Orion - Deep Space)
Source: The New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/science/space/01nasa.html
Published: Sep 30, 2010
Author: KENNETH CHANG
Post Date: 2010-09-30 22:30:43 by Hondo68
Keywords: NASA, Orion, deep space
Views: 17036
Comments: 27

NASA, best known as the agency that put the first man on the moon, is about to end its moon program for the foreseeable future.

Under legislation passed by the House late Wednesday, the nation’s spaceflight program will take a new direction. NASA — the National Aeronautics and Space Administration — will turn to private companies to launch astronauts into space, while it starts work on a larger rocket for travel to more distant destinations — an asteroid, perhaps, and eventually Mars.

The bill “helps put the U.S. space program on a more sustainable trajectory,” Lori B. Garver, NASA’s deputy administrator, said Thursday during a telephone news conference. “We now have an important framework.”

The House, in a 304-to-118 vote on Wednesday, approved a Senate-written bill authorizing $58 billion for NASA over the next three years and setting priorities for the agency. The Senate passed the bill in August, and it now goes to President Obama for his signature.

As requested by the administration in February, it cancels Constellation, the ambitious program that was to have sent astronauts back to the moon to establish an outpost, but which no longer fits in the budget. NASA has spent more than $10 billion on Constellation in the past five years, mostly on the Ares I rocket and Orion crew capsule.

However, the compromise legislation does not cancel all of Constellation, as Mr. Obama had originally sought. Development of Orion, capable of deep space missions, is to continue, and the bill directs NASA to develop a heavy-lift rocket able to propel a payload of at least 70 tons.

The next skirmish is likely to be over the design of that rocket. The new bill clearly envisions a rocket built of components used in the space shuttles and Constellation’s soon-to-be-canceled Ares I rocket. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which wrote the bill, said in an accompanying report that it expected the rocket to include solid-fuel boosters like those of the shuttle or Ares I.

Some NASA and administration officials have considered switching to the Delta IV and Atlas V rockets currently used to launch satellites for the Air Force. They believe those could be more efficient and less costly because they would avoid infrastructure used only for NASA launchings.

Ms. Garver said that NASA would study all options, including the Delta IV and Atlas V. The legislation calls for NASA to report to Congress in 90 days with a plan for the heavy-lift rocket.

The mandate also extends the space shuttle era. Instead of retiring the shuttles in February, it provides money for one more flight to take supplies to the International Space Station in the second half of 2011.

To pay for the additional shuttle flight and the heavy-lift rocket, the authorization cut deeply into money for future space technologies that NASA had hoped to develop, like orbiting fuel stations.

Despite the lopsided vote in favor of the bill, support for it was not unequivocal. Opponents called it a bad bill; supporters called it flawed, but better than no bill.

“Like Candide, it’s the best of all possible worlds,” said John Logsdon, a space policy expert at George Washington University. “It answers the political imperatives.”

Some of the transitions have already begun. Alliant Techsystems Inc., the company that builds the solid-fuel boosters for the space shuttles and Ares I, announced 426 layoffs on Thursday.

Some of the layoffs had been expected as the shuttle program have wound down, but the cuts are also a result of the end of Ares I and Constellation.

Even after Mr. Obama signs the bill into law, NASA cannot yet begin working in earnest on its new mission. Congress has not finished any of the appropriation bills, which set the actual spending levels, for the 2011 fiscal year, which starts Friday. And the stopgap continuing resolution keeps NASA’s spending levels — and programs, including Constellation — unchanged until after the election in November.

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

NASA — the National Aeronautics and Space Administration — will turn to private companies to launch astronauts into space

More socialism from Obama!! How dare he move to privatize the space program and lay off 1,200 government workers!!!


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-10-01   0:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1) (Edited)

How dare he move to privatize the space program and lay off 1,200 government workers!!!

Privatize?!?" PRIVATIZE!!!!?????!!!!!

WHEN IT'S PAID FOR WITH PRIVATE FUNDS, IT'S PRIVATIZED.

WHEN IT'S PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS, IT'S NATIONALIZED, NOT PRIVATIZED.

Think GM, you moron.

Geeze what a spinner you are.

Nobody's getting laid off at NASA. They'll be working on deep space. Can't you read? Show me in the article where it says 1,200 government workers will be laid off.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-10-01   0:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

We can't even get to 'our' space station now. Which begs the question of just whose space station it is. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   10:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

As requested by the administration in February, it cancels Constellation, the ambitious program that was to have sent astronauts back to the moon to establish an outpost,

I think this is a serious mistake. There are huge advantages to having a base on the moon.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-01   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

We can't even get to 'our' space station now. Which begs the question of just whose space station it is. 8D

We iz da wurld......,we iz da peep-pulls.....

I think we do get to spend most of the money required to keep it floating,though. In return,the UN sometimes allows us to use it if we promise to share the research with them.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-01   14:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

We iz da wurld......,we iz da peep-pulls.....

I think we do get to spend most of the money required to keep it floating,though. In return,the UN sometimes allows us to use it if we promise to share the research with them.

Uhhh...close.

but unless you think the UN owns Russian rockets, we're talking the Kremlin here. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   21:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

but unless you think the UN owns Russian rockets, we're talking the Kremlin here. ;}

We now have to pay the Russians to use their heavy lift rockets to boost our heavier pay packages into space because some bean counter who obviously wasn't a rocket scientist thought he or she would save the gubmint money by destroying all the tooling and blueprints to make the heavy lift Atlas rockets we used to use.

I know the Russians originally built the space station,but am not certain how much control they have over it anymore,since practically all the maintenance and upgrades on it have been funded by the UN and America.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-01   22:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7) (Edited)

I know the Russians originally built the space station,but am not certain how much control they have over it anymore,since practically all the maintenance and upgrades on it have been funded by the UN and America.

The Russians are the Only ones who can get to the station now.

And you do realize that Russia is the #1 producer of oil/nat gas now.

And note how your DoD has decided to spend trillions on shooting down other missiles instead. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   23:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#8) (Edited)

And you do realize that Russia is the #1 producer of oil/nat gas now.

No,but it's not surprising. They have more oil that Saudi Arabia.

Which is one reason both Clinton and Bush should be tried for treason for sucking up to the Arabs while stabbing our natural ally,Russia,in the back.

In the case of Clinton,the bastard robbed them blind by doing stuff like forcing them to buy rotten Tyson chicken for inflated prices,and stealing all the missing billions in foreign aid by the program headed up by Goober Gore that was supposed to teach them how to invest their money and improve their infastructure. BILLIONS ended up missing from that program,and the ONLY one ever charged was a female minor loan officer in the US bank handling the money that just happened to be Russian. Neither Goober nor any of his "Harvard finance whiz kids" ever had a glove laid on them.

Instead of having a powerful ally with more natural resources than any other nation in the world,we STILL have them as potential enemies,and Boy Jorge and Clinton stole from America to help our main enemy,the Muslims.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-02   7:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#9)

to help our main enemy,the Muslims.

And if you're not thinking $Trillions and/or $1.5 Quadrillion, you're into Tactics, not strategy.

Like this:

91001 Rummy: 'The Pentagon is missing $2,3 Trillion dollars'.

Poppy Bush meets with Bin Laden and Carlyle Group in DC, 91001. Then does something in the WH the AM of 911. Passing Cheney on the way out the door.

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

# So there we have it. The global Economic Elite have effectively looted and destroyed national economies worldwide, the propaganda system is quickly collapsing, and the masses are beginning to get restless. It’s time to move to the next phase of the attack. Preparations are already underway. We are on the road to World War III. VII: Resource Wars The Road to World War III - The Global Banking Cartel Has One Card Left to PlayAdd to this picture rapidly declining natural resources and an increasingly hostile and polluted environment with extreme weather events frequently pounding the globe. In the past decade the global corporate elite have already engaged in three major resource wars in Iraq, Af-Pak and Northern Africa. With a growing global population and an increasing demand for declining resources, we have already crossed a tipping point and are now in the ecological red.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-02   9:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mcgowanjm (#10)

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

Because they have declared war on us.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-02   14:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11) (Edited)

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

Because they have declared war on us.

Sorry, Muslims are #3 on the enemies list, the US government elites, and Mexico declared war first, on Us (We the People). They're #1 and #2, IMO.

#1 Elite Tyrants
#2 Mexico
#3 Muslims

Hondo68  posted on  2010-10-02   15:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete, hondo88, All (#11)

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

Because they have declared war on us.

So now you can point to that declaration?

Of course not.

Meanwhile. Allow me to point out the Evil that is driving your nation into catastrophe (with examples;}:

DeGraw/AmpedStatus http://www.washingtonsblog.com/

"This crisis is the direct result of a strategic economic attack on the existence of a middle class and democracy worldwide. The stock market and economy have become weapons of mass oppression manipulated by an imperial banking cartel to impose order and exploit the masses. This crisis boldly represents the manifest evolution of the fascist spirit reasserting itself as the dominant ideology.

"Such a lie. It would be difficult to name a single brutal dictatorship of the Western world in the second half of the 20th Century that was not supported by the United States

From Zerohedge Comments:

"by ShankyS on Sat, 10/02/2010 - 22:46 #621714

it is all Waddell and Reed's fault.

The longer this goes on the more faith I have in the 9/11 truthers. Covering this up is taking a coordinated effort of literally thousands of people. Building what? "

If the floats had failed, it is extraordinary that nobody saw the well roaring back up at them. The 'hurry hurry' scenario becomes more and more plausible, if indeed the kick was up the casing as BP states. In which case, they're nicely shooting themselves in the foot, and BP America might as well file for bankruptcy right now, rather than declaring themselves incompetent to think straight.

Yesterday at 1:14pm by adoubleuk » Read more:

http://drillingclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wellcontrol&action=display&thread=4840&page=67#ixzz11IlKCnhB

As Bhadrakumar explains, Turkmenistan “has no urgent need of the pipelines that the United States and the European Union have been advancing.” The operation of the DSK pipeline, along with the launching of another one between China and Turkmenistan in December 2009, has “virtually redrawn the energy map of Eurasia and the Caspian,” he maintains. “We are witnessing a new pattern of energy cooperation at the regional level that dispenses with Big Oil (private Western multinational oil companies). Russia traditionally takes the lead. China and Iran follow the example. Russia, Iran, and Turkmenistan hold, respectively, the world's largest, second-largest, and fourth-largest gas reserves. And China will be consumer par excellence in this century. The matter is of profound consequence to U.S. global strategy.”

The U.S. and its allies do not seem to realize that the dark age of “might-is-right” imperialism is coming to an end. Russia, China, India, and Iran are not countries that can be subdued by displays of military aggression in neighbouring nations. The continuing futile occupation of Afghanistan reflects the failure of the West’s political and military strategists to face this new geopolitical reality.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-03   10:38:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#12)

#1 Elite Tyrants #2 Mexico #3 Muslims

On #1 See Rick Sanchez. ;}

#2 But boy we do love their oil.

#3 Again. We do love their oil. And that they're buying $132 Billion more in US Weapons. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-03   10:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

So now you can point to that declaration?

Of course not.

Well,yeah,I can. Remember "Death to the Great Satan!" that began when your Holy Boy Khomeni declared war on the west,and especially America?

No,of course you don't. That wouldn't be convenient for you,would it?

Meanwhile. Allow me to point out the Evil that is driving your nation into catastrophe (with examples;}:

Just because we have other enemies,that doesn't mean Muslims aren't our enemy,too.

Nice try at deflection,though.

"Such a lie. It would be difficult to name a single brutal dictatorship of the Western world in the second half of the 20th Century that was not supported by the United States

Uh,huh. You mean other than Khomeni,Castro,most of the dictators in Africa,Franco,Stalin,Hitler,and Mussolini?

BTW,why no mention of dictators in the east? Enquiring minds,and all that,Mohammed.

The U.S. and its allies do not seem to realize that the dark age of “might-is-right” imperialism is coming to an end.

Have you tried to explain this to your raghead friends?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-03   15:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mcgowanjm (#14) (Edited)

#2 But boy we do love their oil.

Boy do they love selling their oil to us. If it wasn't for oil all they would have for sale would be kitty litter. They produce and create nothing other than idiots and professional liars who dream of being martyrs and dictators.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-03   15:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-03   19:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#17)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

Is there supposed to be a point hidden in there?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-03   20:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

Is there supposed to be a point hidden in there?

Sure.

Baghdad's an Int'l City with electricity and Full Medical/WasteWater Treatment/Water for everyone pre 2003.

The moment the Baghdad Airport is 'captured', All of the above disappears, even to this day.

THAT's the point. And you will not answer this post because you're paid not to understand any of the above. 8D

And another BTW:

Oil Flow out of Iraq is STILL below April 2003 Levels.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-04   8:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mcgowanjm (#19)

Baghdad's an Int'l City with electricity and Full Medical/WasteWater Treatment/Water for everyone pre 2003.

The moment the Baghdad Airport is 'captured', All of the above disappears, even to this day.

Yup. Reducing competition helps the Sauds.

THAT's the point. And you will not answer this post because you're paid not to understand any of the above. 8D

AKKKK! Ya got me! The Bush Crime Family doesn't pay me to think,just defend them.

Tell me,what gave me away?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-04   20:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

Yup. Reducing competition helps the Sauds.

So we invaded Iraq to help the Sauds?

"Tell me,what gave me away?"

You can't understand why the Zionists and neoliberal/neocons are tied at the hip.

You can't understand why 9-11 happened.

Like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bl6kBo24Ccg/TKXW8xib-KI/AAAAAAAABJ8/2iXOuLPdQv0/s1600/Oil+World+Production.jpg

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-04   20:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mcgowanjm (#21)

So we invaded Iraq to help the Sauds?

Absolutely! We helped them in two ways. Shutting down Iraq's oil helped them profit,and invading Iraq took public attention away from the fact it was the Sauds behind the 9-11 attacks,not the Iraquis.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-04   21:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#22)

Absolutely! We helped them in two ways. Shutting down Iraq's oil helped them profit,and invading Iraq took public attention away from the fact it was the Sauds behind the 9-11 attacks,not the Iraquis.

Two planes were flying the Eve of 9-11.

One was JesusAir, the Paxson Communications(swiftBoaters@ Kerry fame;} Later flown by McCain, and the CIA.

Full of Bin Ladens.

The other left JFK full of Jews for Israel.

Now tell me how you connect the Sauds to 9-11, and I'll be telling you how the Israeli's were. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-04   22:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#22)

Who ever said the Iraqi's had anything to do with 9-11?

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-04   22:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mcgowanjm (#23)

Two planes were flying the Eve of 9-11.

One was JesusAir, the Paxson Communications(swiftBoaters@ Kerry fame;} Later flown by McCain, and the CIA.

Full of Bin Ladens.

The other left JFK full of Jews for Israel.

I think the pressure valve that supplies air to your head has sprung a leak.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-04   23:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mcgowanjm (#24)

Who ever said the Iraqi's had anything to do with 9-11?

Me,and almost everybody else.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-04   23:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete Capitalist Eric, All (#26)

Who ever said the Iraqi's had anything to do with 9-11?

Me,and almost everybody else.

Again that 'All Inclusive.'

Which automatically means that statement is False (why I'm pinging EC ;}.

And per A K A Stone's religious belief in SOURCING everything... Especially when the quote is used to attack an individual on this site...

I'll be needing the source on Iraq's Connection with 9-11.

And again, per EC, a pic of Tom Cruise WITH ab Attack caption won't do it.

Cause Cheney/SS/NORAD (9-10AM all lying;} is all the connection I see.

LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-05   11:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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