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Title: Democratic Congress led nation to financial ruin (Damn Straight)
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http://www.dnj.com/article/20100909/NEWS01/100909005/1002/rs
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Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: Thomas Sowell
Post Date: 2010-09-10 00:38:41 by Nebuchadnezzar
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OPINION: Democratic Congress led nation to financial ruin BY THOMAS SOWELL • September 9, 2010 President Barack Obama boldly proclaims, “The buck stops here!” But, whenever his policies are criticized, he acts as if the buck stopped with George W. Bush. The party line that we are likely to be hearing from now until the November elections is that Obama “inherited” the big federal budget deficits and that he has to “clean up the mess” left in the economy by the Republicans. This may convince those who want to be convinced, but it will not stand up under scrutiny. No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress before Barack Obama became president. The deficit he inherited was created by the congressional Democrats, including Sen. Barack Obama, who did absolutely nothing to oppose the runaway spending. He was one of the biggest of the big spenders. The last time the federal government had a budget surplus, Bill Clinton was president, so it was called “the Clinton surplus.” But Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, where all spending bills originate, for the first time in 40 years. It was also the first budget surplus in more than a quarter of a century. The only direct power that any president has that can affect deficits and surpluses is the power to veto spending bills. President Bush did not veto enough spending bills but Sen. Obama and his fellow Democrats in control of Congress were the ones who passed the spending bills. Today, with Barack Obama in the White House, allied with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in charge in Congress, the national debt is a bigger share of the national output than it has been in more than half a century. And its share is projected to continue going up for years to come, becoming larger than national output in 2012. Having created this scary situation, President Obama now says, “Don’t give in to fear. Let’s reach for hope.” The voters reached for hope when they elected Obama. The fear comes from what he has done since taking office. (2 of 2) “The worst thing we could do is to go back to the very same policies that created this mess in the first place,” he said recently. “In November, you’re going to have that choice.” Another political fable is that the current economic downturn is due to not enough government regulation of the housing and financial markets. But it was precisely the government regulators, under pressure from politicians, who forced banks and other lending institutions to lower their standards for making mortgage loans. These risky loans, and the defaults that followed, were what set off a chain reaction of massive financial losses that brought down the whole economy. Was this due to George W. Bush and the Republicans? Only partly. Most of those who pushed the lowering of mortgage lending standards were Democrats — notably Congressman Barney Frank and Sen. Christopher Dodd, though too many Republicans went along. At the heart of these policies were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who bought huge amounts of risky mortgages, passing the risk on from the banks that lent the money (and made the profits) to the taxpayers who were not even aware that they would end up paying in the end. When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel. If we are going to talk about “the policies that created this mess in the first place,” let’s at least get the facts straight and the names right. The current policies of the Obama administration are a continuation of the same reckless policies that brought on the current economic problems — all in the name of “change.” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are still sacred cows in Washington, even though they have already required the biggest bailouts of all. Why? Because they allow politicians to direct vast sums of money where it will do politicians the most good, either personally or in terms of buying votes in the next election. President Barack Obama boldly proclaims, “The buck stops here!” But, whenever his policies are criticized, he acts as if the buck stopped with George W. Bush. The party line that we are likely to be hearing from now until the November elections is that Obama “inherited” the big federal budget deficits and that he has to “clean up the mess” left in the economy by the Republicans. This may convince those who want to be convinced, but it will not stand up under scrutiny. No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress before Barack Obama became president. The deficit he inherited was created by the congressional Democrats, including Sen. Barack Obama, who did absolutely nothing to oppose the runaway spending. He was one of the biggest of the big spenders. The last time the federal government had a budget surplus, Bill Clinton was president, so it was called “the Clinton surplus.” But Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, where all spending bills originate, for the first time in 40 years. It was also the first budget surplus in more than a quarter of a century. The only direct power that any president has that can affect deficits and surpluses is the power to veto spending bills. President Bush did not veto enough spending bills but Sen. Obama and his fellow Democrats in control of Congress were the ones who passed the spending bills. Today, with Barack Obama in the White House, allied with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in charge in Congress, the national debt is a bigger share of the national output than it has been in more than half a century. And its share is projected to continue going up for years to come, becoming larger than national output in 2012. Having created this scary situation, President Obama now says, “Don’t give in to fear. Let’s reach for hope.” The voters reached for hope when they elected Obama. The fear comes from what he has done since taking office. “The worst thing we could do is to go back to the very same policies that created this mess in the first place,” he said recently. “In November, you’re going to have that choice.” Another political fable is that the current economic downturn is due to not enough government regulation of the housing and financial markets. But it was precisely the government regulators, under pressure from politicians, who forced banks and other lending institutions to lower their standards for making mortgage loans. These risky loans, and the defaults that followed, were what set off a chain reaction of massive financial losses that brought down the whole economy. Was this due to George W. Bush and the Republicans? Only partly. Most of those who pushed the lowering of mortgage lending standards were Democrats — notably Congressman Barney Frank and Sen. Christopher Dodd, though too many Republicans went along. At the heart of these policies were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who bought huge amounts of risky mortgages, passing the risk on from the banks that lent the money (and made the profits) to the taxpayers who were not even aware that they would end up paying in the end. When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel. If we are going to talk about “the policies that created this mess in the first place,” let’s at least get the facts straight and the names right. The current policies of the Obama administration are a continuation of the same reckless policies that brought on the current economic problems — all in the name of “change.” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are still sacred cows in Washington, even though they have already required the biggest bailouts of all. Why? Because they allow politicians to direct vast sums of money where it will do politicians the most good, either personally or in terms of buying votes in the next election. ——— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Next Page
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#1. To: All, war (#0)
Here you go War. A little lesson in the Constitution has just been given to you. I take it, War, you went to public school?
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Hmmmm....kind of contradicts, again, your narration that Bush alone is to blame, War.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
It's called "The Constitution" War, you might want to review it before coming to LF where you constantly get you ASS kicked on a daily basis.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
In which country?
That isn't what he said...they said that they should continue to capitalize. As he was saying that, his HUD was making it easier for FN and FM to get into the sub prime market. ShallI post that report from 2003 again?
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The President spends...the Congress appropriates... All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress. Actually, all bills for RAISING REVENUE - taxes, fees, tarifss etc etc etc - originate in the House. BTW, Kemp-Roth originated in the Senate.
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One word: Veto. Secondly, when the economy turned down. revenues decreased. The 06 to 09 growth assumptions Boy Blunder made when he, as he is required to under the law, created his budgets were GROSSLY over estimated.
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This was already posted
Needed to be repeated IMHO.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
WHAT? When did the president lose the power of the veto??
that only counts for Democrats. I guess we're just supposed to ignore the fact that the GOP, when it controlled Congress, created massive new spending programs, launched two wars without paying for them, and instituted massive tax cuts?
Yes.
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Let's see - what did the fiscally conservative Republican Senate, House and President do when they were in control? Those surpluses, however, ended during the administration of President George W. Bush. The Bush administration announced a record $304 billion deficit in 2003 and projected that the deficit in 2004 would be about $307 billion.
Must be special rules created for George W. as they did not apply to the boy king's father. In October 1990, when Democrats in Congress sought to reduce the federal deficit by implementing a surtax on the income of millionaires, Republican President George H. W. Bush followed through on a threat to Veto any budget legislation that included tax increases. The veto effectively shut down several federal agencies.
Well Neb, looks like your behind has taken a beating this morning.
Ok, then I'll repeat what I said on the other thread: Bush vetoed 12 bills in his 8 years in office -- far fewer than any modern President. In contrast, Jerry Ford vetoed 66 bills in two years. Bush didn't veto these big spending bills because he was a socialist nincompoop who LOVED big government every bit as much as the Democrats. You can spin yourself into the ground all you want, but that's the bottom line.
He will...
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Which part of this statement do you find false?
When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel. If we are going to talk about “the policies that created this mess in the first place,” let’s at least get the facts straight and the names right. I loooove the way war ignore this Inconvenient Truth.
The part that leaves out how we got here - sin of omission.
Sorry Luce - you can'r weasel your way out of this. REMINDER: The House was controlled by the Dems in 2006.
Its revealing you have to resort to a well known error filled website. Amusing as hell, GO65.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Bush didn't veto these big spending bills because he was a socialist nincompoop who LOVED big government every bit as much as the Democrats. You can spin yourself into the ground all you want, but that's the bottom line. I don't have to spin it, I KNOW IT. One of the reasons I voted against the GOP in 2006. That has NOTHING however, to do with THIS POTUS, and THIS CONGRESS. They tripled the deficit, bankrupted the nation, and got nothing for it other than payoffs to various unions and leftwingnut organizations. Which is why a landslide is coming in November, and why Owe-bama is a failed one term President.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
When Bush took office, the projection was that the debt would be PAID OFF by 2012. Bush and his Republican Congress killed that possibility with his tax cuts and wars.
Bush and the Republican Congress produced record budget deficits in 2003 and 2004. REMINDER back atcha.
The House wasn't controlled by dems in 2006.
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Name one (1) 'projection' along these lines that proved to be accurate in the post world war two era, goofy. Just ONE. Good luck with that...
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
REMINDER: The House was controlled by the Dems in 2006. Bush and the Republican Congress produced record budget deficits in 2003 and 2004. REMINDER back atcha. And Owe-bama and company TRIPLED IT. Remember this when the landslide is counted in November, goofy.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Have you or dwarf a refutation regarding the following?: When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel.
And what attributed to it? Was it the war that the Dems ALSO supported, the Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac debacle that the Dems denied was a fiscal disaster? Or the social programs Dems begged for? And why after 2006 was the budget BUSTED? And why has 0bama's 2009 trillion dollar "STIMULUS" been a complete EPIC FAIL?
HELLO!! Anybody home??
The 2006 US House election was held on November 7, 2006 to elect members to the United States House of Representatives. Those elected served in the 110th United States Congress from January 3, 2007 until January 3, 2009. On election day, 2006 Democrats gained 31 seats in the House, enough to take control, and thus from the day Dems infested a House majority, they've totally f**ked up the budget, the economy, and the country.
Undoubtedly, the Obama is utterly incompetent and the current Congress is filled with mindless leftists. However, I'm still betting the GOP will under perform in November because polls show that most people still distrust the GOP. Given current conditions they should pick up 60+ seats in the House. My bet is that they will pick up between 30 and 40. They need Washington and California to win the Senate. They won't get both of them. They could pick up 8 Governorships, but my guess is more like 6 to 7. They could pick up 300 or more state legislative seats.
This comes from a well known, error filled poster? OK.
You mean besides the record number of unemployed?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
If you spent less time on the internet when you did have a job maybe you wouldn't be posting from home.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Just noting you add nothing to this website.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
ABBA (laughing)
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
The 'mistrust' the polls show is a good thing in my opinion. The GOP reads the same polls. And they know they lost the majority primarily because Conservatives and Indies left them in disgust in 2006. I was one of those voters. They screw up again, we fired them again. Its that simple.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
you get pissy with each passing week as we approach the landslide. Its okay, old friend. I'm used to your moods when we BOTH know whats coming...(laughing) Saw it in 04, remember?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Speaks volumes.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Just noting this telling comment so you can review it after the November landslide.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Some of us don't sit at our computers posting all day long, Oh, wait - that's not what you meant, is it.
The hell you don't.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
Obviously your not counting the hours 'til I post again. I'm hurt!
You tiring dorkette. WHO IS IN OFFICE ....... THIS YEAR????? THIS YEAR?? YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS? Sheesh....buy a calendar....heck I'll send you one of my last year's calendars just so you can stay somewhat up on current events......is this you dimtard's idea of prepping for November? It's pointless to ask you to look up today's deficit. You will get the "point" however in about 2 months time:)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is the latest Dwarf revelation: ...."the shorts and bibs I wear are of a carbon/lycra/nylon composition......and maaaaaannnnnn....just letting everybody know that makes my balls SWELL......I'm just tooooooo sexy for you all!!" ....Dwarf August 2010.............. And one from the bluehair 2-legged GPS "I always get the Carolinas mixed up for some reason." ......Fred Jerx (who will doubtless figure out the intricacy of that tricky "North / South" thing someday. Ahldoafewboners = the kind of person who can say absolutely nothing, and mean it.....aka Regurgitated Clown Floyd
I don't know if you are hurt. Damaged, likely.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
That isn't what he said.. Wow, so you're the only one who knows what Pres. Bush said. All these journalists are wrong, but War, the "no-name" man, has the knowing.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Can't spend a single penny unless it was appropriated.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Gee War, don't let history get in the way of telling a good lie now. Bush's budgets were Dead on Arrival. They weren't the ones the House and Senate passed. The budget busting bills were Democratic ones.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
WHAT? When did the president lose the power of the veto?? You're correct, Bush should have vetoed the DEMOCRATIC BUDGETS. Bush, by failing to veto those budgets, showed himself to be a big-spending liberal, not a small-government conservative.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Name one (1) 'projection' along these lines that proved to be accurate in the post world war two era, goofy. Come on Badeye, don't let the truth get in the way of Lucy's misdirection and obfuscation!
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
You're right, when Clinton came into office in '93 his budget projections CLAIMED terrible deficits for the remainder of the '90s. Yet the Republican Congress fixed that! DUH!
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
A) How much more did the Congress spend than he requested? B) Boy Blunder's GDP projections in his 2007 budget for 2008, 2009 and 2010 were off by 3oddtrillion dollars.
Those deficit projections decreased every year - mostly because his OMB took a conservative look at GDP. Of course, the GOP Congress projected even WORSE deficits and accused Clinton of OVER estimating growth.
Good point.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Bush was president for 8 years. For 6 of those 8 years he had a Republican dominated Congress. Are you suggesting that Democrats were in charge even when Republicans dominated?
Yet the Republican Congress fixed that! DUH! So odd a Republican Congress would "fix" the deficit while a Democrat sat in the oval office then turn around and break it when a Republican was president. How do you explain that?
You can't find any conservative, nor Republican in general, that doesn't think Bush should have reduced spending, and veto'd quite a few bills. That stated CLEARLY...Owe-bama tripled the deficit, has spent more money than all his predecessors COMBINED, and yet you want to dwell on the past. Its telling.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
He can't. But he and all of the others here claiming to abhor how Boy Blunder and his GOP Congress spent like drunken sailors STILL VOTED FOR THEM. They'll also be in denial about what the deficit REALLY was when Obama assumed office.
Can you blame them? Sometimes its easier to deny reality than change one's mind.
In dollars yes, as a percentage of GDP no.
Of course, the GOP Congress projected even WORSE deficits and accused Clinton of OVER estimating growth. So why did Clinton's OMB miss the upcoming surpluses? And why did they occur?
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Asked and answered.
That stated CLEARLY...Owe-bama tripled the deficit, has spent more money than all his predecessors COMBINED, and yet you want to dwell on the past. In dollars yes, as a percentage of GDP no. Like that matters...sheesh. Your daughter 'lucy' is going ton inherit this debt, and NEVER pay it off. Get it?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Get it? When it looked like we had a real shot at paying off the debt in my lifetime, Republicans said "debt doesn't matter".
Your daughter 'lucy' is going ton inherit this debt, and NEVER pay it off. Get it? When it looked like we had a real shot at paying off the debt in my lifetime, Republicans said "debt doesn't matter". They weren't talking about this level of debt...and Republicans didn't triple the deficit. Your beloved Democrats did, and sold your daughters future. Its why I call you 'goofy'...prime example here. You KNOW these deficits are unsustainable, you can add and subtract. Yet you keep trying to hide behind the insanity of the GOP House pre 2006, and Bush's stupidity...even though Democrats have TRIPLED those errors in fiscal judgement. When you get to the point you put Party before Country...well, shame on you.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Well hell, there went my coffee...aha..that was just so...Nicholas Cage..lol
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
Leadership in the House and Senate didn't change until January 2007 when new members were sworn in. It would therefore be correct to say GOP House pre 2007. When you get to the point you put Party before Country...well, shame on you. I agree, shame on you.
Thanks.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Your daughter 'lucy' is going ton inherit this debt, and NEVER pay it off. Get it? When it looked like we had a real shot at paying off the debt in my lifetime, Republicans said "debt doesn't matter". AND THOSE NEW LEADERS TRIPLED THE DEFICIT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Sheesh, put down the kool aid, goofy.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
They then tripled the deficit, goofy.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
It is the Republican's who dumped pay-as-you-go in favor of tax cuts (it surprised me how fast the Republican patriots were willing to sell our country to the money lenders for a few pieces of silver) and a policy of borrow and spend that returned us to budget deficits. Why do you think Congressional Republicans were fiscal Conservatives when Clinton was president and threw off the Conservative cloak for drunken sailor spending the moment Bush was sworn in? "Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget", high as it is, is still lower than Bush's parting gift.
Deficit was 1.2bln when Obama assumed office. They can lie - and they will - all that they want to about this. They created this mess first with uneeded tax cuts and a total abdication of their oversight obligations...
What was hilarious was that when Boy Blunder ran on his tax cuts, he was also running proclaiming that he would pay down debt and save Social Security...the Boofers of the world bought it. I'd venture that had the 2000 election been held in 2008, Gore would have won by even more.
We all want our cake and eat it too, but few grown-ups believe they can actually have it that way.
Amazing that every prediction I made about Boy Blunder came true...right down to him being second only to James Buchanon as the worst ever.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
You just go right ahead and keep on repeating that mantra. No doubt you'll be all surprised and outraged when they do it too you again.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress.
#2. To: All, War (#0)
When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel.
#3. To: All (#0)
No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress.
#4. To: Nebuchadnezzar, dwarf (#1)
I take it, War, you went to public school?
#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)
(Edited)
When President Blunder said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in
#6. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus.
#7. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
(Edited)
The deficit he inherited was created by the congressional Democrats...
#8. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#9. To: jwpegler (#8)
#10. To: Badeye, jwpegler (#9)
Needed to be repeated IMHO.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#11. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#3)
No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress.
#12. To: lucysmom (#11)
WHAT? When did the president lose the power of the veto??
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#13. To: go65 (#12)
I guess we're just supposed to ignore the fact that the GOP, when it controlled Congress, created massive new spending programs, launched two wars without paying for them, and instituted massive tax cuts?
#14. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)
Hmmmm....kind of contradicts, again, your narration that Bush alone is to blame, War.
#15. To: go65 (#12)
that only counts for Democrats.
#16. To: Nebuchadnezzar, war, go65 (#3)
It's called "The Constitution" War, you might want to review it before coming to LF where you constantly get you ASS kicked on a daily basis.
#17. To: Badeye (#9)
(Edited)
Needed to be repeated IMHO.
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#18. To: jwpegler (#17)
You can spin yourself into the ground
#19. To: war, lucysmom, Nebuchadnezzar, (#0)
Today, with Barack Obama in the White House, allied with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in charge in Congress, the national debt is a bigger share of the national output than it has been in more than half a century. And its share is projected to continue going up for years to come, becoming larger than national output in 2012.
#20. To: Nebuchadnezzar, war (#0)
At the heart of these policies were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who bought huge amounts of risky mortgages, passing the risk on from the banks that lent the money (and made the profits) to the taxpayers who were not even aware that they would end up paying in the end.
#21. To: Liberator (#19)
Which part of this statement do you find false?
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
#23. To: go65 (#10)
#24. To: jwpegler (#17)
Bush vetoed 12 bills in his 8 years in office -- far fewer than any modern President. In contrast, Jerry Ford vetoed 66 bills in two years.
#25. To: Liberator (#19)
And its share is projected to continue going up for years to come, becoming larger than national output in 2012.
#26. To: Liberator (#22)
REMINDER: The House was controlled by the Dems in 2006.
#27. To: lucysmom (#26)
#28. To: lucysmom (#25)
When Bush took office, the projection was that the debt would be PAID OFF by 2012.
#29. To: lucysmom (#26)
#30. To: lucysmom (#21)
#31. To: lucysmom (#26)
Bush and the Republican Congress produced record budget deficits in 2003 and 2004.
#32. To: Badeye, lucysmom, dwarf (#29)
And Owe-bama and company TRIPLED IT [the budget].
#33. To: war (#27)
The House wasn't controlled by dems in 2006.
#34. To: Badeye (#24)
(Edited)
Which is why a landslide is coming in November
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#35. To: Badeye (#23)
Its revealing you have to resort to a well known error filled website.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#36. To: Liberator (#32)
And Owe-bama and company TRIPLED IT [the budget]. HELLO!! Anybody home??
#37. To: Badeye (#36)
#38. To: All (#37)
#39. To: All (#37)
#40. To: jwpegler (#34)
#41. To: go65 (#35)
#42. To: All (#37)
#43. To: All (#37)
(Edited)
#44. To: Liberator (#32)
HELLO!! Anybody home??
#45. To: lucysmom (#44)
Some of us don't sit at our computers posting all day long,
#46. To: Rudgear (#45)
The hell you don't.
#47. To: lucysmom (#14)
(Edited)
The Bush administration announced a record $304 billion deficit in 2003 and projected that the deficit in 2004 would be about $307 billion.
#48. To: lucysmom (#46)
#49. To: war (#5)
When President Blunder said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in
#50. To: war (#6)
The President spends...the Congress appropriates...
#51. To: war (#7)
Secondly, when the economy turned down. revenues decreased. The 06 to 09 growth assumptions Boy Blunder made when he, as he is required to under the law, created his budgets were GROSSLY over estimated.
#52. To: lucysmom (#11)
No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress.
#53. To: Badeye, Lucysmom (#28)
When Bush took office, the projection was that the debt would be PAID OFF by 2012.
#54. To: lucysmom (#25)
When Bush took office, the projection was that the debt would be PAID OFF by 2012. Bush and his Republican Congress killed that possibility with his tax cuts and wars.
#55. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#51)
#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#54)
You're right, when Clinton came into office in '93 his budget projections CLAIMED terrible deficits for the remainder of the '90s.
#57. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)
Come on Badeye, don't let the truth get in the way of Lucy's misdirection and obfuscation!
#58. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)
You're correct, Bush should have vetoed the DEMOCRATIC BUDGETS.
#59. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#54)
You're right, when Clinton came into office in '93 his budget projections CLAIMED terrible deficits for the remainder of the '90s.
#60. To: lucysmom (#58)
#61. To: lucysmom (#59)
#62. To: war (#61)
They'll also be in denial about what the deficit REALLY was when Obama assumed office.
#63. To: Badeye (#60)
That stated CLEARLY...Owe-bama tripled the deficit, has spent more money than all his predecessors COMBINED, and yet you want to dwell on the past.
#64. To: war (#56)
Those deficit projections decreased every year - mostly because his OMB took a conservative look at GDP.
#65. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)
#66. To: lucysmom (#63)
#67. To: Badeye (#66)
Your daughter 'lucy' is going ton inherit this debt, and NEVER pay it off.
#68. To: lucysmom (#67)
#69. To: Badeye (#68)
...well, shame on you.
#70. To: Badeye (#68)
Yet you keep trying to hide behind the insanity of the GOP House pre 2006, and Bush's stupidity...even though Democrats have TRIPLED those errors in fiscal judgement.
#71. To: Murron (#69)
#72. To: lucysmom (#70)
#73. To: lucysmom (#70)
Leadership in the House and Senate didn't change until January 2007 when new members were sworn in.
#74. To: Badeye (#72)
AND THOSE NEW LEADERS TRIPLED THE DEFICIT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
#75. To: lucysmom (#74)
#76. To: lucysmom (#74)
(Edited)
Why do you think Congressional Republicans were fiscal Conservatives when Clinton was president and threw off the Conservative cloak for drunken sailor spending the moment Bush was sworn in?
#77. To: war (#76)
What was hilarious was that when Boy Blunder ran on his tax cuts, he was also running proclaiming that he would pay down debt and save Social Security...the Boofers of the world bought it.
#78. To: lucysmom (#77)
#79. To: lucysmom (#74)
AND THOSE NEW LEADERS TRIPLED THE DEFICIT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
#80. To: Badeye (#79)
AND THOSE NEW LEADERS TRIPLED THE DEFICIT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
#81. To: lucysmom (#80)
AND THOSE NEW LEADERS TRIPLED THE DEFICIT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
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